[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 153, Issue 28
Eugenio Innocenti
e.innocenti at gmx.de
Sun Mar 26 16:49:01 EDT 2017
Appreciate your answers. Thanks.
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Am 26.03.17, 22:15, jderyke at aol.com schrieb:
FWIW, Judy and I ran identical early 8" Campis on both ends of our
Pantera for decades, with 245-50x 15s in front and 275-55 x 15s on the
rear. The combo was well balanced with a few chassis changes and served
us well in open track, autocross, 40,000 street miles and everything in
between, until I chanced on a set of early 10" Campis at a price I
could afford.
As for the risks of using old Campis, cast magnesium, also know as
'elektron' in Europe tends to age-harden like plastics, creating
internal stresses. Hard driving bends all wheels which builds up even
more internal stresses. The castings are porous compared to other
metals, so that works together with the stress buildup to create
cracks. Some cracks can be TIG-welded.
Stress relieving mag' castings is easily done at home in a kitchen
oven: baking a wheel at 375 degrees for 3-4 hours followed by very slow
cooling eliminates the stress buildup. This is the method the U.S. Air
Force uses on fighter plane magnesium wheels, which get so treated
after each 1000 hrs of actual use (sitting-around time not included in
the 1000 hrs). NASA uses a similar process on aerospace magnesium
parts.
So no fear using Campis on the street; pro- racing classes with a
sponsor paying the bills is another thing entirely. Cheers- J DeRyke
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From: Eugenio Innocenti <e.innocenti at gmx.de>
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Sent: Sun, Mar 26, 2017 11:29 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 153, Issue 28
While on the topic, are the rear 8 inchers on the Pantera (not GTS) the
same as the front 8 inchers on the GTS? I'm considering moving my 8
inchers on my 72 Panty (non GTS) to the front and start looking for 10
inchers.
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1. Re: Ford GT Pantera engine ([6]dgordon100 at cox.net)
2. looking for a Longchamp rear badge (Patrick HALS)
3. Re: Ford GT Pantera engine ([7]jderyke at aol.com)
4. Re: Ford GT Pantera engine (Jeff Detrich)
5. !0 X15 Campi Wheels (William Schauer)
6. Re: !0 X15 Campi Wheels (Paul Rimov)
7. Re: Ford GT Pantera engine (Paul Rimov)
8. Re: looking for a Longchamp rear badge (Paul Rimov)
9. Re: Ford GT Pantera engine ([8]dgordon100 at cox.net)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:31:31 -0400
From: <[9]dgordon100 at cox.net>
To: [10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
<[11]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
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Steve is doing two of them. Both with Ford crate motors purchased
new. Someone could buy a used engine and transmission from
X2Builders last I heard. Few years back they were getting around
$25K for both. Don't know if that included all the accessories, and
wiring.
---- Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[12]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
> Considering all the dolts who have mashed up their Ford GT's there
ought to
> be a good supply of these motors out there. Is this the first
transplant
> Steve has done?
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of [14]dgordon100 at cox.net
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
>
> The decklid is modified so that it gradually humps up in the
middle on the
> Red car. Thus the opening is a little smaller to see out of from
the cabin.
> Wilkinson had a lot of time in making the decklid, which is
fiberglass,
> Even though the Ford GT engine was lowered ~3 inches in the car,
the stock
> supercharger still was too high for the stock deckllid.
>
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 21:10:56 +0100
From: Patrick HALS <[18]patrickhals at gmail.com>
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Subject: [DeTomaso] looking for a Longchamp rear badge
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I bought this beautiful and extremely rare GTS Longchamp cabrio RHD
LCTV03211 in Melbourne in Australia.
I just noticed that the car has no rear badge ( DT , and Longchamp )
Does anyone know where I can get the " Longchamp" badge ?
Thank you
Pat
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I bought this beautiful and extremely rare GTS Longchamp cabrio RHD
LCTV03211 in Melbourne in Australia.
I just noticed that the car has no rear badge ( DT , and Longchamp
)A
Does anyone know where I can get the " Longchamp" badge ?A
Thank youA
Pat
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 17:34:07 -0400
From: [23]jderyke at aol.com
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[26]mbefthomas at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
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If those things still use the gigantic Ricardo 6-speed transaxle,
good luck using THAT thing! Someone mentioned that Steve rigged one
in a Pantera with a Ford GT engine some years ago and it was too
wide, too long and too heavy to easily fit. He said 'never again!'
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Sent: Sat, Mar 25, 2017 12:31 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
Steve is doing two of them. Both with Ford crate motors purchased
new. Someone could buy a used engine and transmission from
X2Builders last I heard. Few years back they were getting around
$25K for both. Don't know if that included all the accessories, and
wiring.
---- Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[30]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
> Considering all the dolts who have mashed up their Ford GT's there
ought to
> be a good supply of these motors out there. Is this the first
transplant
> Steve has done?
> Mike
>
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> Of [32]dgordon100 at cox.net
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
>
> The decklid is modified so that it gradually humps up in the
middle on the
> Red car. Thus the opening is a little smaller to see out of from
the cabin.
> Wilkinson had a lot of time in making the decklid, which is
fiberglass,
> Even though the Ford GT engine was lowered ~3 inches in the car,
the stock
> supercharger still was too high for the stock deckllid.
>
> David
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If those things still use the gigantic Ricardo 6-speed transaxle,
good
luck using THAT thing! Someone mentioned that Steve rigged one in a
Pantera with a Ford GT engine some years ago and it was too wide,
too
long and too heavy to easily fit. He said 'never again!'
-----Original Message-----
From: dgordon100 <[38]dgordon100 at cox.net>
To: detomaso <[39]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Mike & Elizabeth
Thomas <[40]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
Sent: Sat, Mar 25, 2017 12:31 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
Steve is doing two of them. Both with Ford crate motors purchased
new.
Someone could buy a used engine and transmission from X2Builders
last I
heard. Few years back they were getting around $25K for both. Don't
know if that included all the accessories, and wiring.
---- Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[1][41]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
> Considering all the dolts who have mashed up their Ford GT's there
ought to
> be a good supply of these motors out there. Is this the first
transplant
> Steve has done?
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Of [3][43]dgordon100 at cox.net
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 6:25 PM
> To: [4][44]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
>
> The decklid is modified so that it gradually humps up in the
middle
on the
> Red car. Thus the opening is a little smaller to see out of from
the
cabin.
> Wilkinson had a lot of time in making the decklid, which is
fiberglass,
> Even though the Ford GT engine was lowered ~3 inches in the car,
the
stock
> supercharger still was too high for the stock deckllid.
>
> David
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 16:49:44 -0500
From: Jeff Detrich <[57]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
To: [58]jderyke at aol.com
Cc: [59]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, [60]mbefthomas at comcast.net,
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
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I believe there was one being done down here in Dallas as well. The
trans
stuck out so far they had to totally re-engineer the rear of the
car. The
guy was in love with paddle shifters!
Jeff
6559
On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <
[63]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> If those things still use the gigantic Ricardo 6-speed transaxle,
good
> luck using THAT thing! Someone mentioned that Steve rigged one in
a
> Pantera with a Ford GT engine some years ago and it was too wide,
too
> long and too heavy to easily fit. He said 'never again!'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dgordon100 <[64]dgordon100 at cox.net>
> To: detomaso <[65]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Mike & Elizabeth
> Thomas <[66]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> Sent: Sat, Mar 25, 2017 12:31 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
> Steve is doing two of them. Both with Ford crate motors purchased
new.
> Someone could buy a used engine and transmission from X2Builders
last I
> heard. Few years back they were getting around $25K for both.
Don't
> know if that included all the accessories, and wiring.
> ---- Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[1][67]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
> > Considering all the dolts who have mashed up their Ford GT's
there
> ought to
> > be a good supply of these motors out there. Is this the first
> transplant
> > Steve has done?
> > Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
> >
> > The decklid is modified so that it gradually humps up in the
middle
> on the
> > Red car. Thus the opening is a little smaller to see out of from
the
> cabin.
> > Wilkinson had a lot of time in making the decklid, which is
> fiberglass,
> > Even though the Ford GT engine was lowered ~3 inches in the car,
the
> stock
> > supercharger still was too high for the stock deckllid.
> >
> > David
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I believe there was one being done down here in Dallas as well. The
trans stuck out so far they had to totally re-engineer the rear of
the
car. The guy was in love with paddle shifters!
Jeff
6559
On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
<[1][85]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A If those things still use the gigantic Ricardo 6-speed
transaxle, good
A A luck using THAT thing! Someone mentioned that Steve rigged one
in a
A A Pantera with a Ford GT engine some years ago and it was too
wide, too
A A long and too heavy to easily fit. He said 'never again!'
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: dgordon100 <[2][86]dgordon100 at cox.net>
A A To: detomaso <[3][87]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Mike &
Elizabeth
A A Thomas <[4][88]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
A A Sent: Sat, Mar 25, 2017 12:31 pm
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
A A Steve is doing two of them. Both with Ford crate motors
purchased new.
A A Someone could buy a used engine and transmission from
X2Builders last I
A A heard. Few years back they were getting around $25K for both.
Don't
A A know if that included all the accessories, and wiring.
A A ---- Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[1][5][89]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
wrote:
A A > Considering all the dolts who have mashed up their Ford GT's
there
A A ought to
A A > be a good supply of these motors out there. Is this the first
A A transplant
A A > Steve has done?
A A > Mike
A A >
A A > -----Original Message-----
A A > From: DeTomaso [[2][90]mailto:[6]detomaso-bounces@
server.detomasolist.com]
A A On Behalf
A A > Of [3][7][91]dgordon100 at cox.net
A A > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 6:25 PM
A A > To: [4][8][92]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A > Subject: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
A A >
A A > The decklid is modified so that it gradually humps up in the
middle
A A on the
A A > Red car. Thus the opening is a little smaller to see out of
from the
A A cabin.
A A > Wilkinson had a lot of time in making the decklid, which is
A A fiberglass,
A A > Even though the Ford GT engine was lowered ~3 inches in the
car, the
A A stock
A A > supercharger still was too high for the stock deckllid.
A A >
A A > David
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 18:05:28 -0500
From: "William Schauer" <[128]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>
To: <[129]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Message-ID: <000c01d2a5bc$4c7d4b00$e577e100$@sbcglobal.net>
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Hi All.
New to the list, so apologies if this is an improper use of the
list.
Just bought a 1973 Pantera that is pretty much totally stock.
Want to keep the look but prefer the slight change in look of the 8"
X !5"
front and 10" X 15 rear wheels instead of the 7x15/8x15 - but need
the
10x15's
Understand Marvic in Italy makes as new magnesium and Roin also in
Italy
makes aluminum copies.
Want to exhaust my search for used original 10" X 15" Campanolo GTS
wheels
before I go to aftermarket.
Please let me know if you have 1 or 2 or know of any.
Thanks.
William Schauer
<[130]mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net> [131]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
630-513-6700
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Hi All.
New to the list, so apologies if this is an improper use of the
list.
Just bought a 1973 Pantera that is pretty much totally stock.
Want to keep the look but prefer the slight change in look of the 8"
X
!5" front and 10" X 15 rear wheels instead of the 7x15/8x15 - but
need
the 10x15's
Understand Marvic in Italy makes as new magnesium and Roin also in
Italy makes aluminum copies.
Want to exhaust my search for used original 10" X 15" Campanolo GTS
wheels before I go to aftermarket.
Please let me know if you have 1 or 2 or know of any.
Thanks.
William Schauer
[1][132]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
630-513-6700
References
1. [133]mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 18:48:00 -0700
From: Paul Rimov <[134]rimovp at icloud.com>
To: William Schauer <[135]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: [136]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Message-ID: <C8BDABA3-192D-47C6-9F23-[137]A557461E1F58 at icloud.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
William this is exactly the place for your inquiry. Genuine vintage
10 inch Campagnolo wheels have become very prized and when they do
pop up for sale are quite costly. In my opinion the two 15 inch
options in addition to the 17 and 18 replica options are a great
alternative and do have the advantage of being of newer materials
with more modern manufacturing processes. Best of luck with your
quest. Cheers Paul
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 25, 2017, at 4:05 PM, William Schauer
<[138]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Hi All.
>
>
> New to the list, so apologies if this is an improper use of the
list.
>
>
> Just bought a 1973 Pantera that is pretty much totally stock.
>
>
> Want to keep the look but prefer the slight change in look of the
8" X
> !5" front and 10" X 15 rear wheels instead of the 7x15/8x15 - but
need
> the 10x15's
>
>
> Understand Marvic in Italy makes as new magnesium and Roin also in
> Italy makes aluminum copies.
>
>
> Want to exhaust my search for used original 10" X 15" Campanolo
GTS
> wheels before I go to aftermarket.
>
>
> Please let me know if you have 1 or 2 or know of any.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> William Schauer
>
> [1][139]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
>
> 630-513-6700
>
> References
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:02:00 -0700
From: Paul Rimov <[143]rimovp at icloud.com>
To: Jeff Detrich <[144]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: [145]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, [146]mbefthomas at comcast.net,
[147]dgordon100 at cox.net
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
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So every one can start hating on me now and pointing their finger at
me and call me hypocrite but I don't get the swap. I goofed around
with an all aluminum 302 for awhile and drove a guy's Cobra sourced
5.4 over in Bend a couple of times and the original Cleveland is
just soo much fun and looks totally cool and correct in the car in
the first place.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 25, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Detrich <[149]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I believe there was one being done down here in Dallas as well.
The
> trans stuck out so far they had to totally re-engineer the rear of
the
> car. The guy was in love with paddle shifters!
> Jeff
> 6559
>
> On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
> <[1][150]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> A A If those things still use the gigantic Ricardo 6-speed
> transaxle, good
> A A luck using THAT thing! Someone mentioned that Steve rigged one
> in a
> A A Pantera with a Ford GT engine some years ago and it was too
> wide, too
> A A long and too heavy to easily fit. He said 'never again!'
> A A -----Original Message-----
> A A From: dgordon100 <[2][151]dgordon100 at cox.net>
> A A To: detomaso <[3][152]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Mike &
> Elizabeth
> A A Thomas <[4][153]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> A A Sent: Sat, Mar 25, 2017 12:31 pm
> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
> A A Steve is doing two of them. Both with Ford crate motors
> purchased new.
> A A Someone could buy a used engine and transmission from
> X2Builders last I
> A A heard. Few years back they were getting around $25K for both.
> Don't
> A A know if that included all the accessories, and wiring.
> A A ---- Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[1][5][154]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> A A > Considering all the dolts who have mashed up their Ford GT's
> there
> A A ought to
> A A > be a good supply of these motors out there. Is this the
first
> A A transplant
> A A > Steve has done?
> A A > Mike
> A A >
> A A > -----Original Message-----
> A A > From: DeTomaso [[2][155]mailto:[6]detomaso-bounces@
> server.detomasolist.com]
> A A On Behalf
> A A > Of [3][7][156]dgordon100 at cox.net
> A A > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 6:25 PM
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> A A > Subject: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
> A A >
> A A > The decklid is modified so that it gradually humps up in the
> middle
> A A on the
> A A > Red car. Thus the opening is a little smaller to see out of
> from the
> A A cabin.
> A A > Wilkinson had a lot of time in making the decklid, which is
> A A fiberglass,
> A A > Even though the Ford GT engine was lowered ~3 inches in the
> car, the
> A A stock
> A A > supercharger still was too high for the stock deckllid.
> A A >
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:08:13 -0700
From: Paul Rimov <[195]rimovp at icloud.com>
To: Patrick HALS <[196]patrickhals at gmail.com>
Cc: [197]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] looking for a Longchamp rear badge
Message-ID: <5FD77520-BCE0-49F1-963F-[198]090BDBDDF9BA at icloud.com>
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I can not help you with your quest for a rear badge other that to
reach out to our vendors. Hopefully you will share more pictures.
The car looks just beautiful
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 25, 2017, at 1:10 PM, Patrick HALS
<[199]patrickhals at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I bought this beautiful and extremely rare GTS Longchamp cabrio
RHD
> LCTV03211 in Melbourne in Australia.
> I just noticed that the car has no rear badge ( DT , and Longchamp
)A
> Does anyone know where I can get the " Longchamp" badge ?A
> Thank youA
> Pat
> <10.jpg>
> <3.jpg>
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 23:58:31 -0400
From: <[202]dgordon100 at cox.net>
To: Jeff Detrich <[203]jjdetrich at gmail.com>, Paul Rimov
<[204]rimovp at icloud.com>
Cc: [205]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, [206]mbefthomas at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
Message-ID: <20170325235831.VQXF5.27973.imail at fed1rmwml213>
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I chose it for the wide power band, the ability to be modified to
over 1000 HP without changing the internals, reliability,
specifically engineered for a 200+ mph mid-engine car, and the
rarity. Having said that, if I had to make the choice today I would
go with a Roush injected small block Ford engine . Priorities change
over time. :)
---- Paul Rimov <[207]rimovp at icloud.com> wrote:
> So every one can start hating on me now and pointing their finger
at me and call me hypocrite but I don't get the swap. I goofed
around with an all aluminum 302 for awhile and drove a guy's Cobra
sourced 5.4 over in Bend a couple of times and the original
Cleveland is just soo much fun and looks totally cool and correct in
the car in the first place.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 25, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Detrich
<[208]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > I believe there was one being done down here in Dallas as well.
The
> > trans stuck out so far they had to totally re-engineer the rear
of the
> > car. The guy was in love with paddle shifters!
> > Jeff
> > 6559
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
> > <[1][209]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> > A A If those things still use the gigantic Ricardo 6-speed
> > transaxle, good
> > A A luck using THAT thing! Someone mentioned that Steve rigged
one
> > in a
> > A A Pantera with a Ford GT engine some years ago and it was too
> > wide, too
> > A A long and too heavy to easily fit. He said 'never again!'
> > A A -----Original Message-----
> > A A From: dgordon100 <[2][210]dgordon100 at cox.net>
> > A A To: detomaso <[3][211]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Mike &
> > Elizabeth
> > A A Thomas <[4][212]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> > A A Sent: Sat, Mar 25, 2017 12:31 pm
> > A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
> > A A Steve is doing two of them. Both with Ford crate motors
> > purchased new.
> > A A Someone could buy a used engine and transmission from
> > X2Builders last I
> > A A heard. Few years back they were getting around $25K for
both.
> > Don't
> > A A know if that included all the accessories, and wiring.
> > A A ---- Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
<[1][5][213]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > A A > Considering all the dolts who have mashed up their Ford
GT's
> > there
> > A A ought to
> > A A > be a good supply of these motors out there. Is this the
first
> > A A transplant
> > A A > Steve has done?
> > A A > Mike
> > A A >
> > A A > -----Original Message-----
> > A A > From: DeTomaso [[2][214]mailto:[6]detomaso-bounces@
> > server.detomasolist.com]
> > A A On Behalf
> > A A > Of [3][7][215]dgordon100 at cox.net
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> > A A > To: [4][8][216]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > A A > Subject: [DeTomaso] Ford GT Pantera engine
> > A A >
> > A A > The decklid is modified so that it gradually humps up in
the
> > middle
> > A A on the
> > A A > Red car. Thus the opening is a little smaller to see out
of
> > from the
> > A A cabin.
> > A A > Wilkinson had a lot of time in making the decklid, which
is
> > A A fiberglass,
> > A A > Even though the Ford GT engine was lowered ~3 inches in
the
> > car, the
> > A A stock
> > A A > supercharger still was too high for the stock deckllid.
> > A A >
> > A A > David
> > A A > _______________________________________________
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 11:03:39 +0200
From: Charles McCall <[254]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "'William Schauer'" <[255]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>,
<[256]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
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William - since you are looking for opinions here's one more...
I agree that the original Campy look is really special, and the 10"
rears
look great. If it were my car, I'd go with Marvic reproductions -
identical
to the originals, the same lightweight material (magnesium) as the
originals, and new. Don't see the downside to this solution, and it
may even
be cheaper than buying 30 year old originals
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[257]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of William Schauer
Sent: domingo, 26 de marzo de 2017 0:05
To: [258]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Hi All.
New to the list, so apologies if this is an improper use of the
list.
Just bought a 1973 Pantera that is pretty much totally stock.
Want to keep the look but prefer the slight change in look of the 8"
X !5"
front and 10" X 15 rear wheels instead of the 7x15/8x15 - but need
the
10x15's
Understand Marvic in Italy makes as new magnesium and Roin also in
Italy
makes aluminum copies.
Want to exhaust my search for used original 10" X 15" Campanolo GTS
wheels
before I go to aftermarket.
Please let me know if you have 1 or 2 or know of any.
Thanks.
William Schauer
<[259]mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net> [260]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
630-513-6700
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 14:01:23 +0000
From: Gray Gregory <[261]rgg at gregorycook.com>
To: Charles McCall <[262]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, 'William Schauer'
<[263]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>, "[264]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[265]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
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Does Marvic make 8" reproductions as well? It would be nice to have
a matched set of new wheels if going the route. If no which style 8"
campi's were used on cars originally equipped with the 8" 10" combo?
Gray
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[267]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf Of Charles McCall
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 4:04 AM
To: 'William Schauer' <[268]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>;
[269]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
William - since you are looking for opinions here's one more...
I agree that the original Campy look is really special, and the 10"
rears look great. If it were my car, I'd go with Marvic
reproductions - identical to the originals, the same lightweight
material (magnesium) as the originals, and new. Don't see the
downside to this solution, and it may even be cheaper than buying 30
year old originals
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[270]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf Of William Schauer
Sent: domingo, 26 de marzo de 2017 0:05
To: [271]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Hi All.
New to the list, so apologies if this is an improper use of the
list.
Just bought a 1973 Pantera that is pretty much totally stock.
Want to keep the look but prefer the slight change in look of the 8"
X !5"
front and 10" X 15 rear wheels instead of the 7x15/8x15 - but need
the 10x15's
Understand Marvic in Italy makes as new magnesium and Roin also in
Italy makes aluminum copies.
Want to exhaust my search for used original 10" X 15" Campanolo GTS
wheels before I go to aftermarket.
Please let me know if you have 1 or 2 or know of any.
Thanks.
William Schauer
<[272]mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net> [273]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
630-513-6700
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 10:02:23 -0500
From: "William Schauer" <[276]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Gray Gregory'" <[277]rgg at gregorycook.com>, "'Charles McCall'"
<[278]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, <[279]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
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Hi Gray.
Yes, Marvic makes 15x8s.
Attached is response from Marvic. Silvia speaks English and is very
helpful.
Marvic wheels seem to be top quality and are magnesium = lighter
than the
aluminum alternatives. All of which comes at a cost. As you can see
in the
attached , the set of 4 wheels cost 5800 euros, before VAT and
shipping etc.
Another respondent had talked through all the adds and said the all
in cost
> $7000.
Silvia said delivery would be about six weeks. She suggested I talk
to
Yoyodyne, Marvic' s NJ distributor (of cycle equipment). I did. They
said
they could save me money ordering through them (wheels price the
same) but
would combine shipping with his supplies. I mentioned the 6 week
delivery
and he laughed. He said those are "Italian weeks" and not
necessarily
consecutive weeks at that.
William Schauer
[280]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
630-513-6700
-----Original Message-----
From: Gray Gregory [[281]mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 9:01 AM
To: Charles McCall <[282]charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'William Schauer'
<[283]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>; [284]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Does Marvic make 8" reproductions as well? It would be nice to have
a
matched set of new wheels if going the route. If no which style 8"
campi's
were used on cars originally equipped with the 8" 10" combo?
Gray
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[285]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of Charles McCall
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 4:04 AM
To: 'William Schauer' <[286]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>;
[287]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
William - since you are looking for opinions here's one more...
I agree that the original Campy look is really special, and the 10"
rears
look great. If it were my car, I'd go with Marvic reproductions -
identical
to the originals, the same lightweight material (magnesium) as the
originals, and new. Don't see the downside to this solution, and it
may even
be cheaper than buying 30 year old originals
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[288]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of William Schauer
Sent: domingo, 26 de marzo de 2017 0:05
To: [289]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Hi All.
New to the list, so apologies if this is an improper use of the
list.
Just bought a 1973 Pantera that is pretty much totally stock.
Want to keep the look but prefer the slight change in look of the 8"
X !5"
front and 10" X 15 rear wheels instead of the 7x15/8x15 - but need
the
10x15's
Understand Marvic in Italy makes as new magnesium and Roin also in
Italy
makes aluminum copies.
Want to exhaust my search for used original 10" X 15" Campanolo GTS
wheels
before I go to aftermarket.
Please let me know if you have 1 or 2 or know of any.
Thanks.
William Schauer
<[290]mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net> [291]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
630-513-6700
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 08:05:01 -0700
From: Mike Drew <[296]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Gray Gregory <[297]rgg at gregorycook.com>
Cc: "[298]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Marvic does advertise new 8-inch wheels. But I would never pay $1800
each for one when originals can be had all day long for $100-200.
The Marvic 10-inch wheels are a great thing, but they don't match
the originals perfectly.
Mike
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On Mar 26, 2017, at 7:01, Gray Gregory <[301]rgg at gregorycook.com>
wrote:
> Does Marvic make 8" reproductions as well? It would be nice to
have a matched set of new wheels if going the route. If no which
style 8" campi's were used on cars originally equipped with the 8"
10" combo?
>
> Gray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[302]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf Of Charles McCall
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 4:04 AM
> To: 'William Schauer' <[303]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>;
[304]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
>
> William - since you are looking for opinions here's one more...
>
> I agree that the original Campy look is really special, and the
10" rears look great. If it were my car, I'd go with Marvic
reproductions - identical to the originals, the same lightweight
material (magnesium) as the originals, and new. Don't see the
downside to this solution, and it may even be cheaper than buying 30
year old originals
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[305]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf Of William Schauer
> Sent: domingo, 26 de marzo de 2017 0:05
> To: [306]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
>
> Hi All.
>
>
>
> New to the list, so apologies if this is an improper use of the
list.
>
>
>
> Just bought a 1973 Pantera that is pretty much totally stock.
>
>
>
> Want to keep the look but prefer the slight change in look of the
8" X !5"
> front and 10" X 15 rear wheels instead of the 7x15/8x15 - but need
the 10x15's
>
>
>
> Understand Marvic in Italy makes as new magnesium and Roin also in
Italy makes aluminum copies.
>
>
>
> Want to exhaust my search for used original 10" X 15" Campanolo
GTS wheels before I go to aftermarket.
>
>
>
> Please let me know if you have 1 or 2 or know of any.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> William Schauer
>
> <[307]mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net> [308]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
>
> 630-513-6700
>
>
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 15:15:01 +0000
From: Julian Kift <[313]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Gray Gregory <[314]rgg at gregorycook.com>, Charles McCall
<[315]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, 'William Schauer'
<[316]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>, "[317]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
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Yes, per their website Marvic make the 8x15's magnesium as well as
two designs of 10's, 'long' and 'short' rib, for those that would
want a 'matched' set of new wheels.
[55][320]http://marvic.it/en/prodotto/pantera-gts/
There was some recent similar discussion n the PI forum;;
Pricing per unit, without VAT, ex-works for 10" x 15" (either
version) is ? 1,550 delivery ~ 6 weeks with 40% down at order,
balance on shipment. Marvic would supply the wheels through a dealer
located in New Jersey. That price is better than the $4K+ that used
pairs of 10" wheels have been selling for recently, without the
risks associated with 40 year old magnesium wheels.
Contact;
Silvia Framba
MARVIC WHEELS SRL
via Gallarate, 4 - 21020 BRUNELLO (VA) - Italy
tel +390332463386 - fax +390332464160
[56][321]www.marvic.it
Mr Fiat carries the Roin aluminum wheels at inflated prices ($1,405
for a 10"), latest quote (a week ago) direct from Roin was ?850 for
the 10" and ?750 for the 8".
Roin also offer a visually correct 17" dia. in 11" and 9" widths to
suit more modern rubber availability, whereas many of the
reproducyion campi's are not visually close to original.
[57][322]http://mrfiat.com/italian/de-tomaso/pantera.html
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[323]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of Gray Gregory <[324]rgg at gregorycook.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 7:01 AM
To: Charles McCall; 'William Schauer';
[325]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Does Marvic make 8" reproductions as well? It would be nice to have
a matched set of new wheels if going the route. If no which style 8"
campi's were used on cars originally equipped with the 8" 10" combo?
Gray
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[326]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf Of Charles McCall
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 4:04 AM
To: 'William Schauer' <[327]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>;
[328]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
William - since you are looking for opinions here's one more...
I agree that the original Campy look is really special, and the 10"
rears look great. If it were my car, I'd go with Marvic
reproductions - identical to the originals, the same lightweight
material (magnesium) as the originals, and new. Don't see the
downside to this solution, and it may even be cheaper than buying 30
year old originals
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[329]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf Of William Schauer
Sent: domingo, 26 de marzo de 2017 0:05
To: [330]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Hi All.
New to the list, so apologies if this is an improper use of the
list.
Just bought a 1973 Pantera that is pretty much totally stock.
Want to keep the look but prefer the slight change in look of the 8"
X !5"
front and 10" X 15 rear wheels instead of the 7x15/8x15 - but need
the 10x15's
Understand Marvic in Italy makes as new magnesium and Roin also in
Italy makes aluminum copies.
Want to exhaust my search for used original 10" X 15" Campanolo GTS
wheels before I go to aftermarket.
Please let me know if you have 1 or 2 or know of any.
Thanks.
William Schauer
<[331]mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net> [332]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
630-513-6700
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Yes, per their website Marvic make the 8x15's magnesium as well as
two
designs of 10's, 'long' and 'short' rib, for those that would want a
'matched' set of new wheels.
[1][60][337]http://marvic.it/en/prodotto/pantera-gts/
There was some recent similar discussion n the PI forum;;
Pricing per unit, without VAT, ex-works for 10" x 15" (either
version)
is EUR 1,550 delivery ~ 6 weeks with 40% down at order, balance on
shipment. Marvic would supply the wheels through a dealer located in
New Jersey. That price is better than the $4K+ that used pairs of
10"
wheels have been selling for recently, without the risks associated
with 40 year old magnesium wheels.
Contact;
Silvia Framba
MARVIC WHEELS SRL
via Gallarate, 4 - 21020 BRUNELLO (VA) - Italy
tel +390332463386 - fax +390332464160
[61][338]www.marvic.it
Mr Fiat carries the Roin aluminum wheels at inflated prices ($1,405
for
a 10"), latest quote (a week ago) direct from Roin was EUR850 for
the
10" and EUR750 for the 8".
Roin also offer a visually correct 17" dia. in 11" and 9" widths to
suit more modern rubber availability, whereas many of the
reproducyion
campi's are not visually close to original.
[62][339]http://mrfiat.com/italian/de-tomaso/pantera.html
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[340]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of
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Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 7:01 AM
To: Charles McCall; 'William Schauer';
[342]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Does Marvic make 8" reproductions as well? It would be nice to have
a
matched set of new wheels if going the route. If no which style 8"
campi's were used on cars originally equipped with the 8" 10" combo?
Gray
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso
[[2][343]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf Of Charles McCall
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 4:04 AM
To: 'William Schauer' <[344]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>;
[345]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
William - since you are looking for opinions here's one more...
I agree that the original Campy look is really special, and the 10"
rears look great. If it were my car, I'd go with Marvic
reproductions -
identical to the originals, the same lightweight material
(magnesium)
as the originals, and new. Don't see the downside to this solution,
and
it may even be cheaper than buying 30 year old originals
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso
[[3][346]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf Of William Schauer
Sent: domingo, 26 de marzo de 2017 0:05
To: [347]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Hi All.
New to the list, so apologies if this is an improper use of the
list.
Just bought a 1973 Pantera that is pretty much totally stock.
Want to keep the look but prefer the slight change in look of the 8"
X
!5"
front and 10" X 15 rear wheels instead of the 7x15/8x15 - but need
the
10x15's
Understand Marvic in Italy makes as new magnesium and Roin also in
Italy makes aluminum copies.
Want to exhaust my search for used original 10" X 15" Campanolo GTS
wheels before I go to aftermarket.
Please let me know if you have 1 or 2 or know of any.
Thanks.
William Schauer
<[4][348]mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net> [349]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
630-513-6700
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2. [355]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
3. [356]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 15:27:59 +0000
From: Julian Kift <[360]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: William Schauer <[361]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>, 'Gray Gregory'
<[362]rgg at gregorycook.com>, 'Charles McCall'
<[363]charlesmccall at gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
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Apologies if my response was somewhat repetitive, I just found
William's email in my junk folder.
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[367]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of William Schauer <[368]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 8:02 AM
To: 'Gray Gregory'; 'Charles McCall';
[369]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Hi Gray.
Yes, Marvic makes 15x8s.
Attached is response from Marvic. Silvia speaks English and is very
helpful.
Marvic wheels seem to be top quality and are magnesium = lighter
than the
aluminum alternatives. All of which comes at a cost. As you can see
in the
attached , the set of 4 wheels cost 5800 euros, before VAT and
shipping etc.
Another respondent had talked through all the adds and said the all
in cost
> $7000.
Silvia said delivery would be about six weeks. She suggested I talk
to
Yoyodyne, Marvic' s NJ distributor (of cycle equipment). I did. They
said
they could save me money ordering through them (wheels price the
same) but
would combine shipping with his supplies. I mentioned the 6 week
delivery
and he laughed. He said those are "Italian weeks" and not
necessarily
consecutive weeks at that.
William Schauer
[370]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
630-513-6700
-----Original Message-----
From: Gray Gregory [[371]mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 9:01 AM
To: Charles McCall <[372]charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'William Schauer'
<[373]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>; [374]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Does Marvic make 8" reproductions as well? It would be nice to have
a
matched set of new wheels if going the route. If no which style 8"
campi's
were used on cars originally equipped with the 8" 10" combo?
Gray
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[375]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of Charles McCall
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 4:04 AM
To: 'William Schauer' <[376]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>;
[377]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
William - since you are looking for opinions here's one more...
I agree that the original Campy look is really special, and the 10"
rears
look great. If it were my car, I'd go with Marvic reproductions -
identical
to the originals, the same lightweight material (magnesium) as the
originals, and new. Don't see the downside to this solution, and it
may even
be cheaper than buying 30 year old originals
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[378]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of William Schauer
Sent: domingo, 26 de marzo de 2017 0:05
To: [379]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Hi All.
New to the list, so apologies if this is an improper use of the
list.
Just bought a 1973 Pantera that is pretty much totally stock.
Want to keep the look but prefer the slight change in look of the 8"
X !5"
front and 10" X 15 rear wheels instead of the 7x15/8x15 - but need
the
10x15's
Understand Marvic in Italy makes as new magnesium and Roin also in
Italy
makes aluminum copies.
Want to exhaust my search for used original 10" X 15" Campanolo GTS
wheels
before I go to aftermarket.
Please let me know if you have 1 or 2 or know of any.
Thanks.
William Schauer
<[380]mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net> [381]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
630-513-6700
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Apologies if my response was somewhat repetitive, I just found
William's email in my junk folder.
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[384]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of
William Schauer <[385]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 8:02 AM
To: 'Gray Gregory'; 'Charles McCall';
[386]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Hi Gray.
Yes, Marvic makes 15x8s.
Attached is response from Marvic. Silvia speaks English and is very
helpful.
Marvic wheels seem to be top quality and are magnesium = lighter
than
the
aluminum alternatives. All of which comes at a cost. As you can see
in
the
attached , the set of 4 wheels cost 5800 euros, before VAT and
shipping
etc.
Another respondent had talked through all the adds and said the all
in
cost
> $7000.
Silvia said delivery would be about six weeks. She suggested I talk
to
Yoyodyne, Marvic' s NJ distributor (of cycle equipment). I did. They
said
they could save me money ordering through them (wheels price the
same)
but
would combine shipping with his supplies. I mentioned the 6 week
delivery
and he laughed. He said those are "Italian weeks" and not
necessarily
consecutive weeks at that.
William Schauer
[387]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
630-513-6700
-----Original Message-----
From: Gray Gregory [[1][388]mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 9:01 AM
To: Charles McCall <[389]charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'William Schauer'
<[390]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>; [391]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Does Marvic make 8" reproductions as well? It would be nice to have
a
matched set of new wheels if going the route. If no which style 8"
campi's
were used on cars originally equipped with the 8" 10" combo?
Gray
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso
[[2][392]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of Charles McCall
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 4:04 AM
To: 'William Schauer' <[393]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>;
[394]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
William - since you are looking for opinions here's one more...
I agree that the original Campy look is really special, and the 10"
rears
look great. If it were my car, I'd go with Marvic reproductions -
identical
to the originals, the same lightweight material (magnesium) as the
originals, and new. Don't see the downside to this solution, and it
may
even
be cheaper than buying 30 year old originals
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso
[[3][395]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of William Schauer
Sent: domingo, 26 de marzo de 2017 0:05
To: [396]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Hi All.
New to the list, so apologies if this is an improper use of the
list.
Just bought a 1973 Pantera that is pretty much totally stock.
Want to keep the look but prefer the slight change in look of the 8"
X
!5"
front and 10" X 15 rear wheels instead of the 7x15/8x15 - but need
the
10x15's
Understand Marvic in Italy makes as new magnesium and Roin also in
Italy
makes aluminum copies.
Want to exhaust my search for used original 10" X 15" Campanolo GTS
wheels
before I go to aftermarket.
Please let me know if you have 1 or 2 or know of any.
Thanks.
William Schauer
<[4][397]mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net> [398]wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
630-513-6700
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155. mailto:[6]detomaso-bounces@?
156. mailto:dgordon100 at cox.net
157. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
158. http://server.detomasolist/
159. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
160. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
161. mailto:[13]mbefthomas at comcast.net?
162. mailto:[14]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
163. mailto:[15]dgordon100 at cox.net?
164. mailto:[16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
165. mailto:[17]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
166. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
167. mailto:[19]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
168. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
169. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
170. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
171. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
172. mailto:dgordon100 at cox.net?
173. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
174. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net?
175. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net?
176. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
177. mailto:dgordon100 at cox.net?
178. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
179. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
180. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
181. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
182. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
183. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net?
184. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
185. mailto:dgordon100 at cox.net?
186. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
187. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
188. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
189. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
190. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
191. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
192. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
193. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
194. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
195. mailto:rimovp at icloud.com
196. mailto:patrickhals at gmail.com
197. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
198. mailto:090BDBDDF9BA at icloud.com
199. mailto:patrickhals at gmail.com
200. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
201. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
202. mailto:dgordon100 at cox.net
203. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
204. mailto:rimovp at icloud.com
205. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
206. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
207. mailto:rimovp at icloud.com
208. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
209. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
210. mailto:dgordon100 at cox.net
211. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
212. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
213. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
214. mailto:[6]detomaso-bounces@?
215. mailto:dgordon100 at cox.net
216. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
217. http://server.detomasolist/
218. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
219. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
220. mailto:[13]mbefthomas at comcast.net?
221. mailto:[14]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
222. mailto:[15]dgordon100 at cox.net?
223. mailto:[16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
224. mailto:[17]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
225. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
226. mailto:[19]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
227. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
228. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
229. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
230. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
231. mailto:dgordon100 at cox.net?
232. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
233. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net?
234. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net?
235. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
236. mailto:dgordon100 at cox.net?
237. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
238. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
239. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
240. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
241. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
242. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net?
243. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
244. mailto:dgordon100 at cox.net?
245. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
246. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
247. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
248. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
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250. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
251. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
252. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
253. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
254. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
255. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
256. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
257. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
258. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
259. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net?
260. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
261. mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com
262. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
263. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
264. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
265. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
266. mailto:MWHPR05MB2896B968706FBF48B549445BBC300 at MWHPR05MB2896.namprd05.prod
267. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
268. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
269. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
270. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
271. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
272. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net?
273. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
274. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
275. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
276. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
277. mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com
278. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
279. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
280. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
281. mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com?
282. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
283. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
284. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
285. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
286. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
287. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
288. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
289. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
290. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net?
291. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
292. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
293. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
294. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
295. http://server.detomasolist.com/pipermail/detomaso/attachments/2
296. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
297. mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com
298. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
299. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
300. mailto:659D08F9542E at aol.com
301. mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com
302. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
303. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
304. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
305. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
306. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
307. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net?
308. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
309. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
310. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
311. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
312. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
313. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
314. mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com
315. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
316. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
317. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
318. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
319. mailto:MWHPR18MB14531D2DFB4167F31CD6633C95300 at MWHPR18MB1453.namprd18.prod
320. http://marvic.it/en/prodotto/pantera-gts/
321. http://www.marvic.it/
322. http://mrfiat.com/italian/de-tomaso/pantera.html
323. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
324. mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com
325. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
326. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
327. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
328. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
329. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
330. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
331. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net?
332. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
333. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
334. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
335. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
336. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
337. http://marvic.it/en/prodotto/pantera-gts/
338. http://www.marvic.it/
339. http://mrfiat.com/italian/de-tomaso/pantera.html
340. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
341. mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com
342. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
343. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
344. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
345. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
346. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
347. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
348. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net?
349. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
350. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
351. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
352. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
353. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
354. http://marvic.it/en/prodotto/pantera-gts/
355. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
356. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
357. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net?
358. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
359. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
360. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
361. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
362. mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com
363. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
364. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
365. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
366. mailto:MWHPR18MB1453D021D587A77C577B436395300 at MWHPR18MB1453.namprd18.prod
367. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
368. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
369. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
370. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
371. mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com?
372. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
373. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
374. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
375. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
376. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
377. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
378. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
379. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
380. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net?
381. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
382. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
383. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
384. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
385. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
386. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
387. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
388. mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com?
389. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
390. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
391. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
392. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
393. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
394. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
395. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
396. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
397. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net?
398. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
399. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
400. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
401. mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com?
402. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
403. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
404. mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net?
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406. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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462. http://marvic.it/en/prodotto/pantera-gts/
463. http://www.marvic.it/
464. http://mrfiat.com/italian/de-tomaso/pantera.html
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468. http://www.marvic.it/
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