[DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Mike Drew
MikeLDrew at aol.com
Sun Mar 26 14:22:38 EDT 2017
Ah, very cool! Thanks Julian!
The guy told me they were pressure cast, I thought, but there may have been a language barrier at work there.
Thanks for setting me straight! Much appreciated! :)
Mike
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On Mar 26, 2017, at 10:55, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> [1]http://www.marvic.it/en/fonderia/processi/index.asp?lang=eng
> [2]Magnesium sand gravity castings - Marvic Wheels
> www.marvic.it
> The magnesium sand gravity-casting offer many advantages compared to
> casting produced with other processes.
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:51 AM
> To: Julian Kift
> Cc: Ed Mendez; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Gray Gregory
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
>
> Julian,
> No. They are not sand cast, they are pressure cast in metal molds. MUCH
> better.
> The original wheels were pressure cast from the late 1970s on...Jack
> says the 1971-74 wheels were gravity cast in wooden molds.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 26, 2017, at 10:42, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> The Marvic wheels are fabricated in a traditional sand cast fashion
>> as I understand, the molds wear with each successive casting so in
>> Mike's analogy even twin brothers have discernible differences!
> It's
>> not quite as easy as taking a series of laser measurements from an
>> original wheel (and even then the oem wheels will differ for the
> above
>> reasons) and throwing the results into a CNC program.
>> I believe this is part of the challenge that Cesare Magistrali
> faced
>> when he acquired 'original' Group 4 wheels molds that were for the
> most
>> part unusable.
>> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:29 AM
>> To: Ed Mendez
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Gray Gregory
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
>>
>> Ed,
>> There are numerous detail differences. Asking me to describe them
> is
>> like asking me to describe why a person doesn't look identical to
> his
>> younger brother. There are obvious familial resemblances, but
> numerous
>> detail differences. They aren't bad, just different.
>> I confess to being a bit disappointed when I saw them in person.
> The
>> owner of Marvic was standing there and I mad a gentle inquiry. As a
>> layman, I figured if somebody was going to go to the tremendous
> effort
>> to replicate something, why not make it perfect instead of just
> close?
>> He shrugged and more or less said he did the best he could, but
> somehow
>> there was something in his manufacturing process preventing him
> from
>> making it an exact copy.
>> These wheels look great, and if they were on a car likely nobody
> would
>> know the difference. But if one was viewed side-by-side with an
>> original, the differences would be apparent.
>> Like looking at a guy next to his younger brother....
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 9:27, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>>> In what way don't they match the originals? I was talking with him
>> when he was making the molds directly from the DeTomaso factory
>> drawings. He sent me pictures of the factory drawings he was
> working
>> from.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>>
>>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 08:05, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Marvic does advertise new 8-inch wheels. But I would never pay
> $1800
>> each for one when originals can be had all day long for $100-200.
>>>>
>>>> The Marvic 10-inch wheels are a great thing, but they don't match
>> the originals perfectly.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 7:01, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Does Marvic make 8" reproductions as well? It would be nice to
> have
>> a matched set of new wheels if going the route. If no which style
> 8"
>> campi's were used on cars originally equipped with the 8" 10"
> combo?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gray
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: DeTomaso
> [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On Behalf Of Charles McCall
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 4:04 AM
>>>>> To: 'William Schauer' <wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>;
>> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
>>>>>
>>>>> William - since you are looking for opinions here's one more...
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that the original Campy look is really special, and the
> 10"
>> rears look great. If it were my car, I'd go with Marvic
> reproductions -
>> identical to the originals, the same lightweight material
> (magnesium)
>> as the originals, and new. Don't see the downside to this solution,
> and
>> it may even be cheaper than buying 30 year old originals
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: DeTomaso
> [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On Behalf Of William Schauer
>>>>> Sent: domingo, 26 de marzo de 2017 0:05
>>>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> New to the list, so apologies if this is an improper use of the
>> list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just bought a 1973 Pantera that is pretty much totally stock.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Want to keep the look but prefer the slight change in look of the
>> 8" X !5"
>>>>> front and 10" X 15 rear wheels instead of the 7x15/8x15 - but need
>> the 10x15's
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Understand Marvic in Italy makes as new magnesium and Roin also in
>> Italy makes aluminum copies.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Want to exhaust my search for used original 10" X 15" Campanolo
> GTS
>> wheels before I go to aftermarket.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please let me know if you have 1 or 2 or know of any.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> William Schauer
>>>>>
>>>>> <[3]mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net> wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>
>>>>> 630-513-6700
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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