[DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Sun Mar 26 13:55:27 EDT 2017


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________________________________
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:51 AM
To: Julian Kift
Cc: Ed Mendez; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Gray Gregory
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels

Julian,

No. They are not sand cast, they are pressure cast in metal molds. MUCH better.

The original wheels were pressure cast from the late 1970s on...Jack says the 1971-74 wheels were gravity cast in wooden molds.

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 26, 2017, at 10:42, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

>   The Marvic wheels are fabricated in a traditional sand cast fashion
>   as I understand, the molds wear with each successive casting so in
>   Mike's analogy even twin brothers have discernible differences! It's
>   not quite as easy as taking a series of laser measurements from an
>   original wheel (and even then the oem wheels will differ for the above
>   reasons) and throwing the results into a CNC program.
>   I believe this is part of the challenge that Cesare Magistrali faced
>   when he acquired 'original' Group 4 wheels molds that were for the most
>   part unusable.
>   Julian
>     __________________________________________________________________
>
>   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>   Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:29 AM
>   To: Ed Mendez
>   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Gray Gregory
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
>
>   Ed,
>   There are numerous detail differences. Asking me to describe them is
>   like asking me to describe why a person doesn't look identical to his
>   younger brother.  There are obvious familial resemblances, but numerous
>   detail differences. They aren't bad, just different.
>   I confess to being a bit disappointed when I saw them in person. The
>   owner of Marvic was standing there and I mad a gentle inquiry. As a
>   layman, I figured if somebody was going to go to the tremendous effort
>   to replicate something, why not make it perfect instead of just close?
>   He shrugged and more or less said he did the best he could, but somehow
>   there was something in his manufacturing process preventing him from
>   making it an exact copy.
>   These wheels look great, and if they were on a car likely nobody would
>   know the difference. But if one was viewed side-by-side with an
>   original, the differences would be apparent.
>   Like looking at a guy next to his younger brother....
>   Mike
>   Sent from my iPhone
>   On Mar 26, 2017, at 9:27, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>> In what way don't they match the originals? I was talking with him
>   when he was making the molds directly from the DeTomaso factory
>   drawings. He sent me pictures of the factory drawings he was working
>   from.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>
>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 08:05, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Marvic does advertise new 8-inch wheels. But I would never pay $1800
>   each for one when originals can be had all day long for $100-200.
>>>
>>> The Marvic 10-inch wheels are a great thing, but they don't match
>   the originals perfectly.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 7:01, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Does Marvic make 8" reproductions as well? It would be nice to have
>   a matched set of new wheels if going the route. If no which style 8"
>   campi's were used on cars originally equipped with the 8" 10" combo?
>>>>
>>>> Gray
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>   On Behalf Of Charles McCall
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 4:04 AM
>>>> To: 'William Schauer' <wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>;
>   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
>>>>
>>>> William - since you are looking for opinions here's one more...
>>>>
>>>> I agree that the original Campy look is really special, and the 10"
>   rears look great. If it were my car, I'd go with Marvic reproductions -
>   identical to the originals, the same lightweight material (magnesium)
>   as the originals, and new. Don't see the downside to this solution, and
>   it may even be cheaper than buying 30 year old originals
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>   On Behalf Of William Schauer
>>>> Sent: domingo, 26 de marzo de 2017 0:05
>>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
>>>>
>>>> Hi All.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> New to the list, so apologies if this is an improper use of the
>   list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just bought a 1973 Pantera that is pretty much totally stock.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Want to keep the look but prefer the slight change in look of the
>   8" X !5"
>>>> front and 10" X 15 rear wheels instead of the 7x15/8x15 - but need
>   the 10x15's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Understand Marvic in Italy makes as new magnesium and Roin also in
>   Italy makes aluminum copies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Want to exhaust my search for used original 10" X 15" Campanolo GTS
>   wheels before I go to aftermarket.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know if you have 1 or 2 or know of any.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> William Schauer
>>>>
>>>> <[3]mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net> wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
>>>>
>>>> 630-513-6700
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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   [2]Magnesium sand gravity castings - Marvic Wheels
   www.marvic.it
   The magnesium sand gravity-casting offer many advantages compared to
   casting produced with other processes.
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:51 AM
   To: Julian Kift
   Cc: Ed Mendez; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Gray Gregory
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels

   Julian,
   No. They are not sand cast, they are pressure cast in metal molds. MUCH
   better.
   The original wheels were pressure cast from the late 1970s on...Jack
   says the 1971-74 wheels were gravity cast in wooden molds.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   On Mar 26, 2017, at 10:42, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
   >   The Marvic wheels are fabricated in a traditional sand cast fashion
   >   as I understand, the molds wear with each successive casting so in
   >   Mike's analogy even twin brothers have discernible differences!
   It's
   >   not quite as easy as taking a series of laser measurements from an
   >   original wheel (and even then the oem wheels will differ for the
   above
   >   reasons) and throwing the results into a CNC program.
   >   I believe this is part of the challenge that Cesare Magistrali
   faced
   >   when he acquired 'original' Group 4 wheels molds that were for the
   most
   >   part unusable.
   >   Julian
   >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >
   >   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of
   >   Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >   Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:29 AM
   >   To: Ed Mendez
   >   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Gray Gregory
   >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
   >
   >   Ed,
   >   There are numerous detail differences. Asking me to describe them
   is
   >   like asking me to describe why a person doesn't look identical to
   his
   >   younger brother.  There are obvious familial resemblances, but
   numerous
   >   detail differences. They aren't bad, just different.
   >   I confess to being a bit disappointed when I saw them in person.
   The
   >   owner of Marvic was standing there and I mad a gentle inquiry. As a
   >   layman, I figured if somebody was going to go to the tremendous
   effort
   >   to replicate something, why not make it perfect instead of just
   close?
   >   He shrugged and more or less said he did the best he could, but
   somehow
   >   there was something in his manufacturing process preventing him
   from
   >   making it an exact copy.
   >   These wheels look great, and if they were on a car likely nobody
   would
   >   know the difference. But if one was viewed side-by-side with an
   >   original, the differences would be apparent.
   >   Like looking at a guy next to his younger brother....
   >   Mike
   >   Sent from my iPhone
   >   On Mar 26, 2017, at 9:27, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
   >> In what way don't they match the originals? I was talking with him
   >   when he was making the molds directly from the DeTomaso factory
   >   drawings. He sent me pictures of the factory drawings he was
   working
   >   from.
   >>
   >> Ed
   >>
   >> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
   >>
   >>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 08:05, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   >   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >>>
   >>> Marvic does advertise new 8-inch wheels. But I would never pay
   $1800
   >   each for one when originals can be had all day long for $100-200.
   >>>
   >>> The Marvic 10-inch wheels are a great thing, but they don't match
   >   the originals perfectly.
   >>>
   >>> Mike
   >>>
   >>> Sent from my iPhone
   >>>
   >>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 7:01, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
   wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>> Does Marvic make 8" reproductions as well? It would be nice to
   have
   >   a matched set of new wheels if going the route. If no which style
   8"
   >   campi's were used on cars originally equipped with the 8" 10"
   combo?
   >>>>
   >>>> Gray
   >>>>
   >>>> -----Original Message-----
   >>>> From: DeTomaso
   [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   >   On Behalf Of Charles McCall
   >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 4:04 AM
   >>>> To: 'William Schauer' <wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>;
   >   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
   >>>>
   >>>> William - since you are looking for opinions here's one more...
   >>>>
   >>>> I agree that the original Campy look is really special, and the
   10"
   >   rears look great. If it were my car, I'd go with Marvic
   reproductions -
   >   identical to the originals, the same lightweight material
   (magnesium)
   >   as the originals, and new. Don't see the downside to this solution,
   and
   >   it may even be cheaper than buying 30 year old originals
   >>>>
   >>>> -----Original Message-----
   >>>> From: DeTomaso
   [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   >   On Behalf Of William Schauer
   >>>> Sent: domingo, 26 de marzo de 2017 0:05
   >>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
   >>>>
   >>>> Hi All.
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>> New to the list, so apologies if this is an improper use of the
   >   list.
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>> Just bought a 1973 Pantera that is pretty much totally stock.
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>> Want to keep the look but prefer the slight change in look of the
   >   8" X !5"
   >>>> front and 10" X 15 rear wheels instead of the 7x15/8x15 - but need
   >   the 10x15's
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>> Understand Marvic in Italy makes as new magnesium and Roin also in
   >   Italy makes aluminum copies.
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>> Want to exhaust my search for used original 10" X 15" Campanolo
   GTS
   >   wheels before I go to aftermarket.
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>> Please let me know if you have 1 or 2 or know of any.
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>> Thanks.
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>> William Schauer
   >>>>
   >>>> <[3]mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net> wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
   >>>>
   >>>> 630-513-6700
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
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