[DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Julian Kift
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Sun Mar 26 13:42:29 EDT 2017
The Marvic wheels are fabricated in a traditional sand cast fashion as I understand, the molds wear with each successive casting so in Mike's analogy even twin brothers have discernible differences! It's not quite as easy as taking a series of laser measurements from an original wheel (and even then the oem wheels will differ for the above reasons) and throwing the results into a CNC program.
I believe this is part of the challenge that Cesare Magistrali faced when he acquired 'original' Group 4 wheels molds that were for the most part unusable.
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:29 AM
To: Ed Mendez
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Gray Gregory
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Ed,
There are numerous detail differences. Asking me to describe them is like asking me to describe why a person doesn't look identical to his younger brother. There are obvious familial resemblances, but numerous detail differences. They aren't bad, just different.
I confess to being a bit disappointed when I saw them in person. The owner of Marvic was standing there and I mad a gentle inquiry. As a layman, I figured if somebody was going to go to the tremendous effort to replicate something, why not make it perfect instead of just close?
He shrugged and more or less said he did the best he could, but somehow there was something in his manufacturing process preventing him from making it an exact copy.
These wheels look great, and if they were on a car likely nobody would know the difference. But if one was viewed side-by-side with an original, the differences would be apparent.
Like looking at a guy next to his younger brother....
Mike
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On Mar 26, 2017, at 9:27, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> In what way don't they match the originals? I was talking with him when he was making the molds directly from the DeTomaso factory drawings. He sent me pictures of the factory drawings he was working from.
>
> Ed
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
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>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 08:05, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> Marvic does advertise new 8-inch wheels. But I would never pay $1800 each for one when originals can be had all day long for $100-200.
>>
>> The Marvic 10-inch wheels are a great thing, but they don't match the originals perfectly.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 7:01, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does Marvic make 8" reproductions as well? It would be nice to have a matched set of new wheels if going the route. If no which style 8" campi's were used on cars originally equipped with the 8" 10" combo?
>>>
>>> Gray
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Charles McCall
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 4:04 AM
>>> To: 'William Schauer' <wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
>>>
>>> William - since you are looking for opinions here's one more...
>>>
>>> I agree that the original Campy look is really special, and the 10" rears look great. If it were my car, I'd go with Marvic reproductions - identical to the originals, the same lightweight material (magnesium) as the originals, and new. Don't see the downside to this solution, and it may even be cheaper than buying 30 year old originals
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of William Schauer
>>> Sent: domingo, 26 de marzo de 2017 0:05
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
>>>
>>> Hi All.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> New to the list, so apologies if this is an improper use of the list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just bought a 1973 Pantera that is pretty much totally stock.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Want to keep the look but prefer the slight change in look of the 8" X !5"
>>> front and 10" X 15 rear wheels instead of the 7x15/8x15 - but need the 10x15's
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Understand Marvic in Italy makes as new magnesium and Roin also in Italy makes aluminum copies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Want to exhaust my search for used original 10" X 15" Campanolo GTS wheels before I go to aftermarket.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you have 1 or 2 or know of any.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> William Schauer
>>>
>>> <mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net> wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
>>>
>>> 630-513-6700
>>>
>>>
>>>
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The Marvic wheels are fabricated in a traditional sand cast fashion
as I understand, the molds wear with each successive casting so in
Mike's analogy even twin brothers have discernible differences! It's
not quite as easy as taking a series of laser measurements from an
original wheel (and even then the oem wheels will differ for the above
reasons) and throwing the results into a CNC program.
I believe this is part of the challenge that Cesare Magistrali faced
when he acquired 'original' Group 4 wheels molds that were for the most
part unusable.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:29 AM
To: Ed Mendez
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Gray Gregory
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
Ed,
There are numerous detail differences. Asking me to describe them is
like asking me to describe why a person doesn't look identical to his
younger brother. There are obvious familial resemblances, but numerous
detail differences. They aren't bad, just different.
I confess to being a bit disappointed when I saw them in person. The
owner of Marvic was standing there and I mad a gentle inquiry. As a
layman, I figured if somebody was going to go to the tremendous effort
to replicate something, why not make it perfect instead of just close?
He shrugged and more or less said he did the best he could, but somehow
there was something in his manufacturing process preventing him from
making it an exact copy.
These wheels look great, and if they were on a car likely nobody would
know the difference. But if one was viewed side-by-side with an
original, the differences would be apparent.
Like looking at a guy next to his younger brother....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 26, 2017, at 9:27, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> In what way don't they match the originals? I was talking with him
when he was making the molds directly from the DeTomaso factory
drawings. He sent me pictures of the factory drawings he was working
from.
>
> Ed
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>
>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 08:05, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> Marvic does advertise new 8-inch wheels. But I would never pay $1800
each for one when originals can be had all day long for $100-200.
>>
>> The Marvic 10-inch wheels are a great thing, but they don't match
the originals perfectly.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 7:01, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does Marvic make 8" reproductions as well? It would be nice to have
a matched set of new wheels if going the route. If no which style 8"
campi's were used on cars originally equipped with the 8" 10" combo?
>>>
>>> Gray
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf Of Charles McCall
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 4:04 AM
>>> To: 'William Schauer' <wrschauer at sbcglobal.net>;
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
>>>
>>> William - since you are looking for opinions here's one more...
>>>
>>> I agree that the original Campy look is really special, and the 10"
rears look great. If it were my car, I'd go with Marvic reproductions -
identical to the originals, the same lightweight material (magnesium)
as the originals, and new. Don't see the downside to this solution, and
it may even be cheaper than buying 30 year old originals
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf Of William Schauer
>>> Sent: domingo, 26 de marzo de 2017 0:05
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] !0 X15 Campi Wheels
>>>
>>> Hi All.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> New to the list, so apologies if this is an improper use of the
list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just bought a 1973 Pantera that is pretty much totally stock.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Want to keep the look but prefer the slight change in look of the
8" X !5"
>>> front and 10" X 15 rear wheels instead of the 7x15/8x15 - but need
the 10x15's
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Understand Marvic in Italy makes as new magnesium and Roin also in
Italy makes aluminum copies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Want to exhaust my search for used original 10" X 15" Campanolo GTS
wheels before I go to aftermarket.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you have 1 or 2 or know of any.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> William Schauer
>>>
>>> <[3]mailto:wrschauer at sbcglobal.net> wrschauer at sbcglobal.net
>>>
>>> 630-513-6700
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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