[DeTomaso] Techno Question: The Fuel Vapor control system
Dennis Valdez
sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com
Fri Mar 24 18:10:44 EDT 2017
When I bought my car a couple of years ago, I was getting some gas smells in my garage. The car is 98% stock, but had steel braided lines and when I looked for leaks could not see anything. I ended up replacing all the fuel lines from the tank to the pump all the way to the carburetor and replaced the old canister with a NOS carbon canister from a ford vendor. (Ford used the same part number on trucks).
All the smells went away. I suspect there was a leak "hiding" under the steel braids, as I don't think the new canister would have made that big of a difference, but who knows.
Dennis
On Friday, March 24, 2017 2:05 PM, B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Question: How do you make sure you don't fill the tank full enough to
get overflow into the fuel vapor hose?
Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
! )
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Most shops say 10 years is about the lifespan for an OEM charcoal
cannister. The Pantera is 40+ yrs old and the Mangusta, nearly 50. I
suppose one could solvent-wash an old one to maybe get rid of oil &
gas-varnish, then heat the cleaned can in an oven you never want to
use
for food, to 'activate' the charcoal again. Much less messy is
finding
a much later model cannister from a low mileage junker at Pick 'n
Pull
that's the right size to fit your bracket. Personally, I run the
breather hose straight into the bottom of my air cleaner, eliminating
the charcoal cannister and 10 ft of rubber hose.
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Sent: Fri, Mar 24, 2017 6:47 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: The Fuel Vapor control
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Dear Mike, Asa, Jordan and Jack,
See $$$ below.
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 12:40 AM, [1][6]MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 3/23/17 17 39 16, [2][7]cengles at cox.net writes:
This is really odd and quite trivial, but here goes.
While the engine is out, I have been tidying up the engine bay. For
some
reason, I noticed that the hose that connects the gas tank vent to
the
factory charcoal canister is braided stainless steel. It seems to
be the
*only* stock factory braided steel hose in the entire engine bay.
>>>The original stock fuel line was also braided, although it wasn't
shiny so it's not obvious. There was a flex hose from the fuel tank
pickup to the inlet of the fuel pump, then a metal hard line from the
output of the pump up the front of the motor and across to the
passenger side, and a short length of hose connecting it to the
carburetor.
$$$$$ Hmmm, it may not be stainless steel. It is braided and it
has
punctured my flesh. It is not covered with braided fabric. Perhaps
it
has been changed. I assumed that it was stock. Perhaps the stock
vapor hose was braided fabric and it resembles the grayish tarnished
steel braided line that I have found in the engine bay.
> First dumb techno question: Does anybody know
why that
seemingly lowly hose was worthy of the stainless steel braided hose
treatment???....to vent simple gas tank vapor??
>>>It does seem to be a big excessive!
> For the first time I pulled the factory Ford
Charcoal
Canister from its stock location. I suppose that the charcoal is
kaput.
>>>Perhaps that's true, perhaps not? I don't really know what their
lifespan is purported to be?
> I inspected the canister. It looks like it *could* be opened with
the proper
tool. I assume that if one could open it then it might be possible
to dump
in another dose of activated charcoal for another four decades.
>>>It all depends on how concerned you are about the environment. I
would suggest that the amount of damage you are doing with your
camshaft choice and right foot is orders of magnitude greater, and if
you really were concerned, you would address those issues first. :>)
$$$$$$ My interest was is in normal engine function over
environmental concerns. Thank you for complimenting my camshaft
choices and driving style..
> Second dumb techno questions regarding the Pantera
charcoal
canister: for those that worship at the stock original altar, does
anyone
maintain their charcoal canisters?.....or are they inoperative stock
adornments of the stock original engine bay?
>>>Nobody maintains them. Whether they still function of not is a
matter of conjecture. I moved my water bottles so one now lives
where
the canister used to be, so my beautifully painted and detailed
canister and associated bracket is in a box.
>For those that have modified their Pantera and worship at the
laissez-faire
altar, do you completely remove it? ..add a modern replacement??
>>>As it has no performance impact, and simply represents a token nod
to environmental concern, you can either leave it in place or remove
it; it won't have any measurable effect on performance. You will
need
to decide where and how to run your fuel tank vent hose if you chose
to
remove the terminus formed by the canister however. There is
certainly no harm and perhaps some minor benefit by leaving it in
place, but it only really works if the second hose is connected from
the canister to the underside of the air cleaner, so that fumes are
extracted through the canister and into the air cleaner, to be burned
by the combustion processa|..
$$$$$ That is correct. With my laissez-faire engines it would be
hard to plumb it back to the air filter and it would also detract
from
a functional tidyness in the engine bay. I do think that my highly
valuable stock original charcoal canister and braided hose will soon
reside in the parts warehouse, labeled from future retrieval in the
distant future.
Back to our normal drivetrain re-assembly and
installation
programming........
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> Yes, I know it is pretty arcane.
>>>We like arcane!
Mike
References
1. mailto:[8]MikeLDrew at aol.com
2. mailto:[9]cengles at cox.net
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When I bought my car a couple of years ago, I was getting some gas
smells in my garage. The car is 98% stock, but had steel braided lines
and when I looked for leaks could not see anything. I ended up
replacing all the fuel lines from the tank to the pump all the way to
the carburetor and replaced the old canister with a NOS carbon canister
from a ford vendor. (Ford used the same part number on trucks).
All the smells went away. I suspect there was a leak "hiding" under
the steel braids, as I don't think the new canister would have made
that big of a difference, but who knows.
Dennis
On Friday, March 24, 2017 2:05 PM, B Hower via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Question: How do you make sure you don't fill the tank full enough to
get overflow into the fuel vapor hose?
Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
be
! )
__________________________________________________________________
From: Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: [2]cengles at cox.net; [3]mikeldrew at aol.com; [4]asajay at asajay.com
Cc: [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: The Fuel Vapor control
system
Most shops say 10 years is about the lifespan for an OEM charcoal
cannister. The Pantera is 40+ yrs old and the Mangusta, nearly 50.
I
suppose one could solvent-wash an old one to maybe get rid of oil &
gas-varnish, then heat the cleaned can in an oven you never want to
use
for food, to 'activate' the charcoal again. Much less messy is
finding
a much later model cannister from a low mileage junker at Pick 'n
Pull
that's the right size to fit your bracket. Personally, I run the
breather hose straight into the bottom of my air cleaner,
eliminating
the charcoal cannister and 10 ft of rubber hose.
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<[3][8]asajay at asajay.com>;
Jack
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Sent: Fri, Mar 24, 2017 6:47 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: The Fuel Vapor control
system
Dear Mike, Asa, Jordan and Jack,
See $$$ below.
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 12:40 AM, [1][6][11]MikeLDrew at aol.com
wrote:
In a message dated 3/23/17 17 39 16, [2][7][12]cengles at cox.net
writes:
This is really odd and quite trivial, but here goes.
While the engine is out, I have been tidying up the engine bay.
For
some
reason, I noticed that the hose that connects the gas tank vent to
the
factory charcoal canister is braided stainless steel. It seems
to
be the
*only* stock factory braided steel hose in the entire engine bay.
>>>The original stock fuel line was also braided, although it
wasn't
shiny so it's not obvious. There was a flex hose from the fuel
tank
pickup to the inlet of the fuel pump, then a metal hard line from
the
output of the pump up the front of the motor and across to the
passenger side, and a short length of hose connecting it to the
carburetor.
$$$$$ Hmmm, it may not be stainless steel. It is braided and it
has
punctured my flesh. It is not covered with braided fabric.
Perhaps
it
has been changed. I assumed that it was stock. Perhaps the stock
vapor hose was braided fabric and it resembles the grayish
tarnished
steel braided line that I have found in the engine bay.
> First dumb techno question: Does anybody
know
why that
seemingly lowly hose was worthy of the stainless steel braided hose
treatment???....to vent simple gas tank vapor??
>>>It does seem to be a big excessive!
> For the first time I pulled the factory Ford
Charcoal
Canister from its stock location. I suppose that the charcoal is
kaput.
>>>Perhaps that's true, perhaps not? I don't really know what
their
lifespan is purported to be?
> I inspected the canister. It looks like it *could* be opened
with
the proper
tool. I assume that if one could open it then it might be
possible
to dump
in another dose of activated charcoal for another four decades.
>>>It all depends on how concerned you are about the environment.
I
would suggest that the amount of damage you are doing with your
camshaft choice and right foot is orders of magnitude greater, and
if
you really were concerned, you would address those issues first.
:>)
$$$$$$ My interest was is in normal engine function over
environmental concerns. Thank you for complimenting my camshaft
choices and driving style..
> Second dumb techno questions regarding the
Pantera
charcoal
canister: for those that worship at the stock original altar,
does
anyone
maintain their charcoal canisters?.....or are they inoperative
stock
adornments of the stock original engine bay?
>>>Nobody maintains them. Whether they still function of not is a
matter of conjecture. I moved my water bottles so one now lives
where
the canister used to be, so my beautifully painted and detailed
canister and associated bracket is in a box.
>For those that have modified their Pantera and worship at the
laissez-faire
altar, do you completely remove it? ..add a modern replacement??
>>>As it has no performance impact, and simply represents a token
nod
to environmental concern, you can either leave it in place or
remove
it; it won't have any measurable effect on performance. You will
need
to decide where and how to run your fuel tank vent hose if you
chose
to
remove the terminus formed by the canister however. There is
certainly no harm and perhaps some minor benefit by leaving it in
place, but it only really works if the second hose is connected
from
the canister to the underside of the air cleaner, so that fumes are
extracted through the canister and into the air cleaner, to be
burned
by the combustion processa|..
$$$$$ That is correct. With my laissez-faire engines it would be
hard to plumb it back to the air filter and it would also detract
from
a functional tidyness in the engine bay. I do think that my highly
valuable stock original charcoal canister and braided hose will
soon
reside in the parts warehouse, labeled from future retrieval in the
distant future.
Back to our normal drivetrain re-assembly and
installation
programming........
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> Yes, I know it is pretty arcane.
>>>We like arcane!
Mike
References
1. mailto:[8][13]MikeLDrew at aol.com
2. mailto:[9][14]cengles at cox.net
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