[DeTomaso] Tire Size
Steve Lisa
stevelisa at patentit.com
Tue Mar 21 13:12:24 EDT 2017
Thanks for the additional list of tires. I will add them to the
spreadsheet.
A couple of questions and notes to keep in mind:
*Pirelli P7 *- they appear to have three tire sizes for 15" wheel, only one
of which will fit the 8" rim, and none of them are technically spec'd for a
7" rim. This looks like a great option if you are running 8" front and 10"
rear wheels. But, if you are running the "original" 7" front wheels, that
tire would appear not to be an option. See:
-
www.pirelli.com/mediaObject/pirellityre/ww/en/catalogue/motorsport/p7_corsa_classic/P7_Corsa_Classic/original/P7_Corsa_Classic.pdf
*Hoosier R7 *- they have four tires for a 15" wheel, and three of them fit
both 7" and 8" rims. Unfortunately, while they are DOT approved, they are
virtually a slick and would be dangerous on the street (IMHO). I selected
the R7's for my SCCA ITE class racing. Not the fastest tire, but at least
had I nice selection to try for "fitment" and "clearance" purposes.
*Hoosier R6 - *I don't think Hoosier is still making the R6 - it is not
shown as for sale on its website -- not sure if there are some left over as
old stock somewhere.
I can't find the *Michelin TBs* for sale - can someone help me find a link?
To AJ's point -- does anyone know of a set of high performance tires for a
15" wheel that can be driven on the road and track, and:
1. will fit the original Pantera 7" front and 8" rear wheels
2. have a front diameter of about 25"
3. have a rear diameter of about 27"
I am still looking, and would appreciate the help.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 312-320-5888
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On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:25 AM, LSJ <lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Michelin TBs are made in the correct sizes and available instantly today.
> They will arrive in 4 days to just about any US address.
>
> Pirelli P7 Corsa Classics are also available in the right sizes.
>
> Hoosier R6/R7 and Hankook RS4s would also work.
>
> Plenty of very high performance 15" tires available today.
>
>
>
> LSJ
>
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> ------------------------------
> *From:* Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> *Cc:* List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:30 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] Tire Size
>
> I agree with AJ...street tires in 15 inch at the right tire diameters
> of the early Panteras are hard to find.A The closest to 1972 specs for
> a 15 inch wheel are the Hoosier TDS and Avons race tires.A Neither are
> streetable for every day use.
> Intersting observation: A the later year tires stock were much smaller
> diameter than early years.A AJ, what size Proxes did you run????
> Btw....we are still running the wheel and tire combo you had for the
> Silver State for my son-in-law....who is doing basic open track.A That
> was a nice set up short of racing, but I can't use it for vintage.A
> Regards,
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> Direct: 312-320-5888 <(312)%20320-5888>
> Scottsdale Office | P: 480.535.6656A |A F: 480.535.6628A |A A: 7689
> E. Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
> Chicago Office | P: 312.752.4357A |A F: 312.896.5633A |A A: 55 E.
> Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
>
> On Mar 20, 2017 9:14 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" <[1]asajay at asajay.com>
> wrote:
>
> Jut to add to Steve's thoughts,
> For what it's worth, I ran Proxes R888 on the 7" and 8" stock
> magnesium wheels for a couple of years.A In my opinion they looked
> goofy on the rear (and really threw off the speedometer).A The
> front's look okay but the rears are too small.A They are great
> tires, but their profile is way too low, with an overall diameter
> drastically reduced from stock in the rear and they just don't fill
> the wheel well.A Kinda makes the car look like a roller skate, or
> skateboard (take your pick).
> You can see a few photos here:
> [2]https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/423331_3771817
> 78968263_322679426_n.jpg?oh=8dcfebf6524f2c37d6d9d70f973c73dc
> &oe=5960EAC4
> [3]https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/198541_2042493
> 59594840_3542880_n.jpg?oh=8e713466d93cd6342f107017001956fb&
> oe=5969A5D5
> [4]https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/185554_2479426
> 78558841_4972272_n.jpg?oh=cd199de55adf9bd083b85e3ceb897c0c&
> oe=59601447
> If you just need street tires, I think there are other options that
> would look a lot better, but they won't be rated for high speeds in
> excess of 140 MPH or so.
> For racing in the Silver State, I bought 17 and 18" wheels and then
> put good z-rated rubber on that met the same stock diameter.A You
> can see a photo of that here:
> [5]https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/241317_477871
> 052232668_835863716_o.jpg?oh=f5e28c609b51fd51c0989635e992bfa
> 2&oe=5973C046
> If you like the Campy's (and who wouldn't), I would encourage you to
> invest in a set of vendor supplied Campy clones in a larger
> diameter, probably 17 and 18.A If I had the money, I would go for a
> set from Marino Perna of Pantera East.
> Just my two cents,
> Asa
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &A Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6]http://w7tsc.org
> [7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> On 3/20/2017 6:19 PM, Steve Lisa wrote:
>
> A A Mark,A
> A A Happy to share, and hope to get more involved as I progress
> with AJ's
> A A Pantera.AA I promised him it was in good hands!
> A A The files are a bit personalized for my need -- vintage/hill
> climb
> A A racing -- if you have any questions, please just email or call
> me.AA I
> A A am more than happy to get on the phone and walk through the
> A A spreadsheet.AA If people think its worthwhile, I will clean
> it up and
> A A recirculate -- I didn't label things very clearly.A
> A A I was looking for two options:
> A A A 1. First, tires to run on 7 (front) and 8 (rear) inch rim
> sets (for
> A A A A proper vintage).
> A A A 2. Second, tires to run on 8 (front) and 10 (rear) inch rim
> sets (for
> A A A A hill climbs, NASA, SCCA ITE, less proper vintage). A a
> A A I gave options for "streetable" track tires, DOT race tires,
> and
> A A vintage-approved race tires.AA For now, I am
> experimenting.AA So please
> A A excuse mistakes. A
> A A Regards,A
> A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> A A Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> A A Direct: [8]312-320-5888
> A A [1][SGL-Email-Logo.jpg]
> A A Please note our new Scottsdale address.AA Our phone and fax
> numbers
> A A remain the same.
> A A Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656AA |A A F:A
> 480.535.6628A
> A A |A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ
> 85260
> A A Chicago OfficeA |A P: 312.752.4357AA |AA F: 312.896.5633AA
> |AA A: 55 E.
> A A Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
> A A [2][9]www.PatentIt.com
> A A This email is confidential and privileged, and intended only
> for the
> A A recipient above. If you received this email in error, please
> destroy
> A A all copies of it and indicate such by return email to me.
> Thank you.
> A A On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Mark Peterson
> A A <[3][10]petersonmr06 at yahoo.com>A wrote:
> A A Thanks Steve. Good luck next month. Mark 1789
> A A Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> A A A ______________________________
> ____________________________________
> A A From: Steve Lisa<[4][11]stevelisa at patentit.com>
> A A Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 17:16:44 -0700
> A A To: mark peterson<[5][12]petersonmr06 at yahoo.com>
> A A Cc: List DeTomaso Forum<[6][13]detomaso at server.detom
> asolist.com>
> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire Size
> A A Mark:
> A A Sa
> A A ee my research attached.AA Since
> A A aIa
> A A A am racing
> A A aAsa Jay's old
> A A A pantera
> A A a (starting April 14-16 at Portland International Raceway)a
> A A , I ca
> A A alled
> A A Bassett and had the
> A A aindicated a7, 8 and 10 inch wideA
> A A wheels made
> A A a (rather than racing the magnesium wheels)a. A I
> A A A ordered the Hoosier R7
> A A a tires as indicated, and also ordered some Hooser TDA's as
> A A indicated.AA I intend to try the R7's on the 7 and 8 inch
> wheels, and
> A A will switch over to the Hoosier TDS on the 8 and 10 inch
> wheels.AA We
> A A will be doing a Test Day on Thursday, Racing SCCA in ITE
> Friday and
> A A Saturday (if they let us in).AA It is a bit of "first test"
> weekend for
> A A us.A
> A A If I was wanting a street/track tire, I would have done the
> Proxes R888
> A A on the 7 and 8 inch Bassett D-Hole wheels A I suspect they
> would fit
> A A the original wheels. A
> A A a
> A A Other available options are indicated
> A A a with links.
> A A a
> A A a
> A A a
> A A I will follow up with what I find on the tires/wheels.
> A A a
> A A I attached the files in Google worksheet and XCEL. A
> A A I am not sure any of it is right or that is all that
> helpful.AA I tend
> A A to learn by making mistakes.AA But, it does compile what is
> available.
> A A A a
> A A A A
> A A [7][icon_11_spreadsheet_list.png] A Pantera Wheel and Tire
> worksheet
> A A Regards,
> A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>
>
>
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
Thanks for the additional list of tires.A I will add them to the
spreadsheet.
A couple of questions and notes to keep in mind:
Pirelli P7 - they appear to have three tire sizes for 15" wheel, only
one of which will fit the 8" rim, and none of them are technically
spec'd for a 7" rim.A This looks like a great option if you are
running 8" front and 10" rear wheels.A But, if you are running the
"original" 7" front wheels, that tire would appear not to be an option.
See:
* [1]www.pirelli.com/mediaObject/pirellityre/ww/en/catalogue/motorspo
rt/p7_corsa_classic/P7_Corsa_Classic/original/P7_Corsa_Classic.pdf
Hoosier R7 - they have four tires for a 15" wheel, and three of them
fit both 7" and 8" A rims.A Unfortunately, while they are DOT
approved, they are virtually a slick and would be dangerous on the
street (IMHO).A I selected the R7's for my SCCA ITE class racing.A
Not the fastest tire, but at least had I nice selection to try for
"fitment" and "clearance" purposes.
Hoosier R6 - I don't think Hoosier is still making the R6 - it is not
shown as for sale on its website -- not sure if there are some left
over as old stock somewhere.
I can't find the Michelin TBs for sale - can someone help me find a
link?
To AJ's point -- does anyone know of a set of high performance tires
for a 15" wheel that can be driven on the road and track, and:
1. will fit the original Pantera 7" front and 8" rear wheels
2. have a front diameter of about 25"A
3. have a rear diameter of about 27"A
I am still looking, and would appreciate the help.
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 312-320-5888
[2][SGL-Email-Logo.jpg]
Please note our new Scottsdale address.A Our phone and fax numbers
remain the same.
Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A |A A F:A 480.535.6628A
|A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
Chicago OfficeA |A P: 312.752.4357A |A F: 312.896.5633A |A A: 55 E.
Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
[3]www.PatentIt.com
This email is confidential and privileged, and intended only for the
recipient above. If you received this email in error, please destroy
all copies of it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank you.
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:25 AM, LSJ <[4]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
aa
Michelin TBs are made in the correct sizes and available instantly
today. They will arrive in 4 days to just about any US address.
Pirelli P7 Corsa Classics are also available in the right sizes.
Hoosier R6/R7 and Hankook RS4s would also work.
Plenty of very high performance 15" tires available today.
A
LSJ
central
wines-spiritsA A est 1934
625 e street nw
washington, dc 20004
[5]centralwines.com
[6]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
[7]202-737-2800
__________________________________________________________________
From: Steve Lisa <[8]stevelisa at patentit.com>
To: Asa Jay Laughton <[9]asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire Size
A I agree with AJ...street tires in 15 inch at the right tire
diameters
A of the early Panteras are hard to find.AA The closest to 1972 specs
for
A a 15 inch wheel are the Hoosier TDS and Avons race tires.AA Neither
are
A streetable for every day use.
A Intersting observation: A the later year tires stock were much
smaller
A diameter than early years.AA AJ, what size Proxes did you run????
A Btw....we are still running the wheel and tire combo you had for the
A Silver State for my son-in-law....who is doing basic open track.AA
That
A was a nice set up short of racing, but I can't use it for vintage.A
A Regards,
A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
A Email: [11]SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
A Direct: [12]312-320-5888
A Scottsdale Office | P: 480.535.6656AA |AA F: 480.535.6628AA |AA
A: 7689
A E. Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
A Chicago Office | P: 312.752.4357AA |AA F: 312.896.5633AA |AA A:
55 E.
A Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
A On Mar 20, 2017 9:14 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton"
<[1][13]asajay at asajay.com>
A wrote:
A A Jut to add to Steve's thoughts,
A A For what it's worth, I ran Proxes R888 on the 7" and 8" stock
A A magnesium wheels for a couple of years.AA In my opinion they
looked
A A goofy on the rear (and really threw off the speedometer).AA The
A A front's look okay but the rears are too small.AA They are great
A A tires, but their profile is way too low, with an overall diameter
A A drastically reduced from stock in the rear and they just don't
fill
A A the wheel well.AA Kinda makes the car look like a roller skate,
or
A A skateboard (take your pick).
A A You can see a few photos here:
A A [2][14]https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/423331_
3771817
A A 78968263_322679426_n.jpg?oh=8dcfebf6524f2c37d6d9d70f973c73dc
A A &oe=5960EAC4
A A [3][15]https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/198541_
2042493
A A 59594840_3542880_n.jpg?oh=8e713466d93cd6342f107017001956fb&
A A oe=5969A5D5
A A [4][16]https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/185554_
2479426
A A 78558841_4972272_n.jpg?oh=cd199de55adf9bd083b85e3ceb897c0c&
A A oe=59601447
A A If you just need street tires, I think there are other options
that
A A would look a lot better, but they won't be rated for high speeds
in
A A excess of 140 MPH or so.
A A For racing in the Silver State, I bought 17 and 18" wheels and
then
A A put good z-rated rubber on that met the same stock diameter.AA
You
A A can see a photo of that here:
A A [5][17]https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/241317_
477871
A A 052232668_835863716_o.jpg?oh=f5e28c609b51fd51c0989635e992bfa
A A 2&oe=5973C046
A A If you like the Campy's (and who wouldn't), I would encourage you
to
A A invest in a set of vendor supplied Campy clones in a larger
A A diameter, probably 17 and 18.AA If I had the money, I would go
for a
A A set from Marino Perna of Pantera East.
A A Just my two cents,
A A Asa
A A Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A &AA Shelley Marie
A A Spokane, WA
A A ******************************
A A [6][18]http://w7tsc.org
A A [7][19]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
A A On 3/20/2017 6:19 PM, Steve Lisa wrote:
A A AA AA Mark,A
A A AA AA Happy to share, and hope to get more involved as I
progress
A A with AJ's
A A AA AA Pantera.AAA I promised him it was in good hands!
A A AA AA The files are a bit personalized for my need --
vintage/hill
A A climb
A A AA AA racing -- if you have any questions, please just email or
call
A A me.AAA I
A A AA AA am more than happy to get on the phone and walk through
the
A A AA AA spreadsheet.AAA If people think its worthwhile, I will
clean
A A it up and
A A AA AA recirculate -- I didn't label things very clearly.A
A A AA AA I was looking for two options:
A A AA AA A 1. First, tires to run on 7 (front) and 8 (rear) inch
rim
A A sets (for
A A AA AA AA AA proper vintage).
A A AA AA A 2. Second, tires to run on 8 (front) and 10 (rear) inch
rim
A A sets (for
A A AA AA AA AA hill climbs, NASA, SCCA ITE, less proper
vintage). A a
A A AA AA I gave options for "streetable" track tires, DOT race
tires,
A A and
A A AA AA vintage-approved race tires.AAA For now, I am
A A experimenting.AAA So please
A A AA AA excuse mistakes. A
A A AA AA Regards,A
A A AA AA Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
A A AA AA Email: [20]SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
A A AA AA Direct: [8]312-320-5888
A A AA AA [1][SGL-Email-Logo.jpg]
A A AA AA Please note our new Scottsdale address.AAA Our phone and
fax
A A numbers
A A AA AA remain the same.
A A AA AA Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656AAA |A A F:A
A A 480.535.6628A
A A AA AA |A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ
A A 85260
A A AA AA Chicago OfficeA |A P: 312.752.4357AAA |AAA F:
312.896.5633AA
A A |AAA A: 55 E.
A A AA AA Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
A A AA AA [2][9][21]www.PatentIt.com
A A AA AA This email is confidential and privileged, and intended
only
A A for the
A A AA AA recipient above. If you received this email in error,
please
A A destroy
A A AA AA all copies of it and indicate such by return email to me.
A A Thank you.
A A AA AA On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Mark Peterson
A A AA AA <[3][10][22]petersonmr06 at yahoo.com>AA wrote:
A A AA AA Thanks Steve. Good luck next month. Mark 1789
A A AA AA Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
A A AA AA AA ______________________________
A A ____________________________________
A A AA AA From: Steve Lisa<[4][11][23]stevelisa at patentit.com>
A A AA AA Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 17:16:44 -0700
A A AA AA To: mark peterson<[5][12][24]petersonmr06 at yahoo.com>
A A AA AA Cc: List DeTomaso Forum<[6][13][25]detomaso at server.detom
A A [26]asolist.com>
A A AA AA Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire Size
A A AA AA Mark:
A A AA AA Sa
A A AA AA ee my research attached.AAA Since
A A AA AA aIa
A A AA AA A am racing
A A AA AA aAsa Jay's old
A A AA AA A pantera
A A AA AA a (starting April 14-16 at Portland International
Raceway)a
A A AA AA , I ca
A A AA AA alled
A A AA AA Bassett and had the
A A AA AA aindicated a7, 8 and 10 inch wideA
A A AA AA wheels made
A A AA AA a (rather than racing the magnesium wheels)a. A I
A A AA AA A ordered the Hoosier R7
A A AA AA a tires as indicated, and also ordered some Hooser TDA's
as
A A AA AA indicated.AAA I intend to try the R7's on the 7 and 8
inch
A A wheels, and
A A AA AA will switch over to the Hoosier TDS on the 8 and 10 inch
A A wheels.AAA We
A A AA AA will be doing a Test Day on Thursday, Racing SCCA in ITE
A A Friday and
A A AA AA Saturday (if they let us in).AAA It is a bit of "first
test"
A A weekend for
A A AA AA us.A
A A AA AA If I was wanting a street/track tire, I would have done
the
A A Proxes R888
A A AA AA on the 7 and 8 inch Bassett D-Hole wheels A I suspect
they
A A would fit
A A AA AA the original wheels. A
A A AA AA a
A A AA AA Other available options are indicated
A A AA AA a with links.
A A AA AA a
A A AA AA a
A A AA AA a
A A AA AA I will follow up with what I find on the tires/wheels.
A A AA AA a
A A AA AA I attached the files in Google worksheet and XCEL. A
A A AA AA I am not sure any of it is right or that is all that
A A helpful.AAA I tend
A A AA AA to learn by making mistakes.AAA But, it does compile
what is
A A available.
A A AA AA A a
A A AA AA A A
A A AA AA [7][icon_11_spreadsheet_list.png] A Pantera Wheel and
Tire
A A worksheet
A A AA AA Regards,
A A AA AA Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
A
References
1. http://www.pirelli.com/mediaObject/pirellityre/ww/en/catalogue/motorsport/p7_corsa_classic/P7_Corsa_Classic/original/P7_Corsa_Classic.pdf
2. http://www.patentit.com/
3. http://www.PatentIt.com/
4. mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com
5. http://centralwines.com/
6. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors
7. tel:(202)%20737-2800
8. mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com
9. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
10. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
11. mailto:SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
12. tel:(312)%20320-5888
13. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
14. https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/423331_3771817
15. https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/198541_2042493
16. https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/185554_2479426
17. https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/241317_477871
18. http://w7tsc.org/
19. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
20. mailto:SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
21. http://www.PatentIt.com/
22. mailto:petersonmr06 at yahoo.com
23. mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com
24. mailto:petersonmr06 at yahoo.com
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