[DeTomaso] Techno question: L Pantera lower engine right angle cooling hose
Julian Kift
julian_kift at hotmail.com
Mon Mar 20 19:56:01 EDT 2017
Found it online from multiple sources, even Amazon prime so I could get it free ship in 2 days!
Julian
________________________________
From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 4:54 PM
To: 'Julian Kift'; 'Mike Drew'
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Techno question: L Pantera lower engine right angle cooling hose
Dear Julian,
Did you find it on line or do you actually have one in hand?
Curious, Chuck Engles
From: Julian Kift [mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 6:48 PM
To: Charles Engles; 'Mike Drew'
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: L Pantera lower engine right angle cooling hose
Chuck,
I had no problem finding one, the NAPA hose 7571 cross references to the following with multiple sources;
Gates 20808
CARQUEST 20808
AC Delco 20077S
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 4:13 PM
To: 'Mike Drew'
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: L Pantera lower engine right angle cooling hose
Dear Mike,
Today's chapter
I called my local NAPA big store and warehouse with
the NAPA part number NBH 7571. They consistently disappoint me. They
didn't have one in the warehouse. I gave up.
I called Dennis Quella. Dennis said that it has
become increasingly more difficult for them to obtain the short ninety
degree hose. If I understand him correctly, they did cut up other hoses
(NBH 7571?) to have the desired hose, but that has also become problematic.
They now sell silicon hose with the proper special
clamps to prevent damage to the hose. Of course, it does cost more than
base, old rubber, but it is more readily available.
I did inquire about the option of two short straight
segments with a ninety degree metal connection. Dennis did not feel that
was an optimal solution.
So, I have sold out to silicon! Thanks to all for
the help.
Warmest regards, Chuck
Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 6:56 PM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: L Pantera lower engine right angle
cooling hose
Chuck,
It's not a mix-up. If its done its done intentionally. Like the pipe around
the shift lever, it's seen as a superior solution.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2017, at 15:09, "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net<mailto:cengles at cox.net>> wrote:
> Dear Mike,
>
>
> I have not had a problem with that mix-up in my
> dealings with DQ at PPC for this part in years gone by.
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck
> Engles
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 3:43 PM
> To: Charles Engles
> Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: L Pantera lower engine right
> angle cooling hose
>
> Chuck,
>
> If you try to order that alone from a vendor what you will likely get
> is a metal 90 and two straight sections of hose.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 19, 2017, at 13:22, "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net<mailto:cengles at cox.net>> wrote:
>
>> Dear Mike, Chuck and Bud,
>>
>>
>> See below:
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> All the hoses are the same size, except for the one that connects to
>> the water pump which is larger at the water pump end.
>> $$$$$$ Right. All are 1 3/8"----except the water pump piece which is
1
>> 3/4" diameter.
>>
>>
>> Significantly, the vendor water hose and pipe kits do away with that
>> two-diameter hose, replacing it with a two-diameter metal pipe,
>> joined to the system with two short lengths of straight hose. (This
>> was the stock arrangement on the L model and later cars).
>> $$$$$$$ Right, that is the arrangement on the L models and that isn't
> the
>> hose in question. It is the other one on the right side of the
>> engine that is a formed 90 degree bend 1 3/8" hose.
>>
>>
>> Similarly, the oddly shaped hose you are referring to is replaced
>> with a simple 90-degree bent pipe and two short lengths of straight hose.
>> $$$$$$ Hmmm. I think that I will fall back on PPC and order another
>> one. They've worked well for me for decades. I am amazed that a big
> NAPA
>> store with warehouse attached did not have one...or even on that could be
>> adapted or shortened to work. Sigh.
>>
>>
>> Thanks all.
>>
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Mar 19, 2017, at 12:49, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net<mailto:cengles at cox.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Forum,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am starting an engine install and I was
>>> gathering new coolant hose at NAPA. I thought that the lower engine
>>> ninety degree coolant hose would be easy to find there. I presumed
>>> that it was 1 3/8".
>>>
>>>
>>> I was disappointed because NAPA did not have
>>> any hoses that would begin to fit the bill. The counter expert also
>>> told me that the hose is an odd size.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In my opinion the "odd size" was due to
>>> being ever so slightly askew in the normal Pantera engine coolant
>>> hose position and the rubber deformed over fifteen years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Dumb Techno Question: the hose in
>>> question is a 1 3/8" hose----right?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Warmest
>>> regards, Chuck Engles
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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Found it online from multiple sources, even Amazon prime so I could get
it free ship in 2 days!
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 4:54 PM
To: 'Julian Kift'; 'Mike Drew'
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Techno question: L Pantera lower engine right
angle cooling hose
Dear Julian,
Did you find it on line or do you actually
have one in hand?
Curious, Chuck
Engles
From: Julian Kift [mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 6:48 PM
To: Charles Engles; 'Mike Drew'
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: L Pantera lower engine right
angle cooling hose
Chuck,
I had no problem finding one, the NAPA hose 7571 cross references to
the following with multiple sources;
Gates 20808
CARQUEST 20808
AC Delco 20077S
Julian
_____________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 4:13 PM
To: 'Mike Drew'
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: L Pantera lower engine right
angle cooling hose
Dear Mike,
Today's chapter
I called my local NAPA big store and warehouse
with
the NAPA part number NBH 7571. They consistently disappoint me.
They
didn't have one in the warehouse. I gave up.
I called Dennis Quella. Dennis said that it
has
become increasingly more difficult for them to obtain the short ninety
degree hose. If I understand him correctly, they did cut up other
hoses
(NBH 7571?) to have the desired hose, but that has also become
problematic.
They now sell silicon hose with the proper
special
clamps to prevent damage to the hose. Of course, it does cost more
than
base, old rubber, but it is more readily available.
I did inquire about the option of two short
straight
segments with a ninety degree metal connection. Dennis did not feel
that
was an optimal solution.
So, I have sold out to silicon! Thanks to all
for
the help.
Warmest regards, Chuck
Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew [[1]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 6:56 PM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: L Pantera lower engine right
angle
cooling hose
Chuck,
It's not a mix-up. If its done its done intentionally. Like the pipe
around
the shift lever, it's seen as a superior solution.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2017, at 15:09, "Charles Engles" <[2]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> Dear Mike,
>
>
> I have not had a problem with that mix-up in my
> dealings with DQ at PPC for this part in years gone by.
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck
> Engles
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Drew [[3]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 3:43 PM
> To: Charles Engles
> Cc: <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: L Pantera lower engine right
> angle cooling hose
>
> Chuck,
>
> If you try to order that alone from a vendor what you will likely get
> is a metal 90 and two straight sections of hose.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 19, 2017, at 13:22, "Charles Engles" <[5]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
>
>> Dear Mike, Chuck and Bud,
>>
>>
>> See below:
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> All the hoses are the same size, except for the one that connects to
>> the water pump which is larger at the water pump end.
>> $$$$$$ Right. All are 1 3/8"----except the water pump piece
which is
1
>> 3/4" diameter.
>>
>>
>> Significantly, the vendor water hose and pipe kits do away with that
>> two-diameter hose, replacing it with a two-diameter metal pipe,
>> joined to the system with two short lengths of straight hose. (This
>> was the stock arrangement on the L model and later cars).
>> $$$$$$$ Right, that is the arrangement on the L models and that
isn't
> the
>> hose in question. It is the other one on the right side of the
>> engine that is a formed 90 degree bend 1 3/8" hose.
>>
>>
>> Similarly, the oddly shaped hose you are referring to is replaced
>> with a simple 90-degree bent pipe and two short lengths of straight
hose.
>> $$$$$$ Hmmm. I think that I will fall back on PPC and order
another
>> one. They've worked well for me for decades. I am amazed that a
big
> NAPA
>> store with warehouse attached did not have one...or even on that
could be
>> adapted or shortened to work. Sigh.
>>
>>
>> Thanks all.
>>
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Mar 19, 2017, at 12:49, Charles Engles <[6]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Forum,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am starting an engine install and I was
>>> gathering new coolant hose at NAPA. I thought that the lower
engine
>>> ninety degree coolant hose would be easy to find there. I
presumed
>>> that it was 1 3/8".
>>>
>>>
>>> I was disappointed because NAPA did not
have
>>> any hoses that would begin to fit the bill. The counter expert
also
>>> told me that the hose is an odd size.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In my opinion the "odd size" was due to
>>> being ever so slightly askew in the normal Pantera engine coolant
>>> hose position and the rubber deformed over fifteen years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Dumb Techno Question: the hose in
>>> question is a 1 3/8" hose----right?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Warmest
>>> regards, Chuck Engles
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
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