[DeTomaso] Can door and trunk locks be re-keyed, anyone successful with the ignition without removing the lock from the housing??
Ken Green
kenn_green at yahoo.com
Tue Mar 14 13:15:51 EDT 2017
Hi Larry,
I took one door lock apart last night and your are very correct that it is pretty easy, and the pins are then exposed. I wondered if you have documented this with photos etc. If you haven't, I can try to put something together. Do you know if the pins are available?
I was surprised to read that you are having your car worked on again, I thought you went through that a few years ago?
Ken
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Can door and trunk locks be re-keyed, anyone successful with the ignition without removing the lock from the housing??
Ken,
That is correct. The key style, and thus the actual keyway, of all
three lock barrels needs to be the same if you want the simplicity of
one key for all three locks.
Larry
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On Mar 13, 2017, at 9:42 AM, Ken Green <[1]kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
I assume that door locks for one key profile cannot be re-keyed for the
other profile?
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
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To: Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Larry Finch
<[4]fresnofinches at aol.com>; "[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Can door and trunk locks be re-keyed, anyone
successful with the ignition without removing the lock from the
housing??
I stock two different key blanks that fit two styles of lock cylinders
that I have in stock from original lock sets. Somehow I don^1t think
all is
as simple and standardized as you might be assuming as you haven^1t
observed many of the tumbler combinations that were put into these
cars.
Just when you think you have it all figured out, DeTomaso will throw
you a
twist.
Larry Stock
On 3/13/17, 8:35 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
<[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Larry,
>
> Thanks for the write up and research work on behalf of the
community!
>
> If the trunk lock is the harder to rekey with availability of pins,
> then it would seem wise for anyone wishing to rekey the set to
> rekey both doors to match the trunk?
>
> Given that you have discovered there are only 3 unique pins in 6
slots,
> that's only 729 possible permutations for keys and in reality likely
> significantly less as certain combinations would not be used.
>
> When disassembling my '74 I came across what I assumed was a key
card
> with a 3 digit number stuck up under the dash. If that is what the
card
> was it implies there is a record of key pattern to pin combinations
> somewhere in the Ford archives....
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
> Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:55 PM
> To: Email List Address For Posting
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Can door and trunk locks be re-keyed, anyone
> successful with the ignition without removing the lock from the
> housing??
>
> Ken,
> I've removed several ignition locks from their housings. Drill the
> hole, depress the black spring steel piece, and barrel assembly can
be
> removed. No downside to it in my experience. Replace/rebuild the
lock
> barrel and then it simply snaps back into place in the housing. I
do
> not believe the access hole can be drilled with the lock still
> installed on the column.
> As for rekeying the door/trunk locks, yes it can be done. Several
years
> ago I had a trunk lock rekeyed by a local, old-timer locksmith. He
had
> difficulty in getting access to the pins and springs - the cover
plate
> is crimped into place and required some time and effort to figure
out
> how to safely remove without ruining the whole shebang. Once opened,
he
> told me he found the smallest lock springs he had ever seen. Despite
> Julian's optimism, I highly doubt he could have sourced replacement
> pins or springs for the lock; luckily I had spare pins that allowed
him
> to match that trunk lock barrel to a matched pair of door lock
barrels.
> I sold the set to a member of this list.
> Since that rekeying, I have invested hours of research and bench
time
> with a collection of Pantera door/trunk locks I have gathered over
the
> years. The door lock barrels are fairly easy to remove once you have
> the door handles out of the door; the trunk lock barrel is retained
in
> its housing by a blind-hole pin that requires some delicate Dremel
> drilling and subsequent prying to remove that pin. The door and
trunk
> lock barrels use the same pins and springs, but the lock barrels are
> different for the two applications.
> While the lock barrels have six pin cuts, there are only three
> different lengths of pins that are mixed and matched to create the
> different key patterns.
> BTW, there are two styles of lock/trunk keys and thus two versions
of
> barrels, but the barrel internals are the same for both styles.
> While I have yet to do a proof-of-concept, I am quite confident I
can
> now re-pin any of the three lock barrels as required. Thanks to my
> locksmith's assistance, he tracked down the info on what cut to make
> for each of the three pins, he should be able to cut fresh, new keys
> matched to whatever 6-pin combination I provide to him.
> I've included a couple of photos.
> One showing the minuscule spring. The other showing a door lock
barrel,
> the crimped-in-place pins/springs cover and two pins.
> Anyone wanting to be my first guinea pig for re-keying their locks
> should contact me off list.
> Larry
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Hi Larry,
I took one door lock apart last night and your are very correct that it
is pretty easy, and the pins are then exposed. I wondered if you have
documented this with photos etc. If you haven't, I can try to put
something together. Do you know if the pins are available?
I was surprised to read that you are having your car worked on again, I
thought you went through that a few years ago?
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Can door and trunk locks be re-keyed, anyone
successful with the ignition without removing the lock from the
housing??
Ken,
That is correct. The key style, and thus the actual keyway, of all
three lock barrels needs to be the same if you want the simplicity of
one key for all three locks.
Larry
Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
On Mar 13, 2017, at 9:42 AM, Ken Green <[1][1]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
wrote:
I assume that door locks for one key profile cannot be re-keyed for
the
other profile?
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: Larry Stock <[2][2]larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: Julian Kift <[3][3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Larry Finch
<[4][4]fresnofinches at aol.com>;
"[5][5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[6][6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Can door and trunk locks be re-keyed, anyone
successful with the ignition without removing the lock from the
housing??
I stock two different key blanks that fit two styles of lock
cylinders
that I have in stock from original lock sets. Somehow I don^1t think
all is
as simple and standardized as you might be assuming as you haven^1t
observed many of the tumbler combinations that were put into these
cars.
Just when you think you have it all figured out, DeTomaso will throw
you a
twist.
Larry Stock
On 3/13/17, 8:35 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
<[7][7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[8][8]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Larry,
>
> Thanks for the write up and research work on behalf of the
community!
>
> If the trunk lock is the harder to rekey with availability of
pins,
> then it would seem wise for anyone wishing to rekey the set to
> rekey both doors to match the trunk?
>
> Given that you have discovered there are only 3 unique pins in 6
slots,
> that's only 729 possible permutations for keys and in reality
likely
> significantly less as certain combinations would not be used.
>
> When disassembling my '74 I came across what I assumed was a key
card
> with a 3 digit number stuck up under the dash. If that is what the
card
> was it implies there is a record of key pattern to pin
combinations
> somewhere in the Ford archives....
> Julian
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <[9][9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
> Larry Finch via DeTomaso
<[10][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:55 PM
> To: Email List Address For Posting
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Can door and trunk locks be re-keyed, anyone
> successful with the ignition without removing the lock from the
> housing??
>
> Ken,
> I've removed several ignition locks from their housings. Drill the
> hole, depress the black spring steel piece, and barrel assembly
can
be
> removed. No downside to it in my experience. Replace/rebuild the
lock
> barrel and then it simply snaps back into place in the housing. I
do
> not believe the access hole can be drilled with the lock still
> installed on the column.
> As for rekeying the door/trunk locks, yes it can be done. Several
years
> ago I had a trunk lock rekeyed by a local, old-timer locksmith. He
had
> difficulty in getting access to the pins and springs - the cover
plate
> is crimped into place and required some time and effort to figure
out
> how to safely remove without ruining the whole shebang. Once
opened,
he
> told me he found the smallest lock springs he had ever seen.
Despite
> Julian's optimism, I highly doubt he could have sourced
replacement
> pins or springs for the lock; luckily I had spare pins that
allowed
him
> to match that trunk lock barrel to a matched pair of door lock
barrels.
> I sold the set to a member of this list.
> Since that rekeying, I have invested hours of research and bench
time
> with a collection of Pantera door/trunk locks I have gathered over
the
> years. The door lock barrels are fairly easy to remove once you
have
> the door handles out of the door; the trunk lock barrel is
retained
in
> its housing by a blind-hole pin that requires some delicate Dremel
> drilling and subsequent prying to remove that pin. The door and
trunk
> lock barrels use the same pins and springs, but the lock barrels
are
> different for the two applications.
> While the lock barrels have six pin cuts, there are only three
> different lengths of pins that are mixed and matched to create the
> different key patterns.
> BTW, there are two styles of lock/trunk keys and thus two versions
of
> barrels, but the barrel internals are the same for both styles.
> While I have yet to do a proof-of-concept, I am quite confident I
can
> now re-pin any of the three lock barrels as required. Thanks to my
> locksmith's assistance, he tracked down the info on what cut to
make
> for each of the three pins, he should be able to cut fresh, new
keys
> matched to whatever 6-pin combination I provide to him.
> I've included a couple of photos.
> One showing the minuscule spring. The other showing a door lock
barrel,
> the crimped-in-place pins/springs cover and two pins.
> Anyone wanting to be my first guinea pig for re-keying their locks
> should contact me off list.
> Larry
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