[DeTomaso] Can door and trunk locks be re-keyed, anyone successful with the ignition without removing the lock from the housing??

[Larry Finch]

Larry,

It is well known by Pantera owners there are, as you just noted, two styles of door lock keys. Thus two different lock barrels with their own and different keyway patterns.

I have both lock barrel styles in my collection of parts.

Unless there is a third style, I am ...assuming... nothing about the internals of these locks nor the steps and parts required to rekey them.

I already have one owner who has asked me to re-key his trunk lock. I have no doubt that I will be able to accomplish that task.

Larry

Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. 

> On Mar 13, 2017, at 9:00 AM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> 
> I stock two different key blanks that fit two styles of lock cylinders
> that I have in stock from original lock sets. Somehow I don¹t think all is
> as simple and standardized as you might be assuming as you haven¹t
> observed many of the tumbler combinations that were put into these cars.
> Just when you think you have it all figured out, DeTomaso will throw you a
> twist.
> Larry Stock
> 
> On 3/13/17, 8:35 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>  Larry,
>> 
>>  Thanks for the write up and research work on behalf of the community!
>> 
>>  If the trunk lock is the harder to rekey with availability of pins,
>>  then it would seem wise for anyone wishing to rekey the set to
>>  rekey both doors to match the trunk?
>> 
>>  Given that you have discovered there are only 3 unique pins in 6 slots,
>>  that's only 729 possible permutations for keys and in reality likely
>>  significantly less as certain combinations would not be used.
>> 
>>  When disassembling my '74 I came across what I assumed was a key card
>>  with a 3 digit number stuck up under the dash. If that is what the card
>>  was it implies there is a record of key pattern to pin combinations
>>  somewhere in the Ford archives....
>>  Julian
>>    __________________________________________________________________
>> 
>>  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>>  Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>  Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:55 PM
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>>  Subject: [DeTomaso] Can door and trunk locks be re-keyed, anyone
>>  successful with the ignition without removing the lock from the
>>  housing??
>> 
>>  Ken,
>>  I've removed several ignition locks from their housings. Drill the
>>  hole, depress the black spring steel piece, and barrel assembly can be
>>  removed. No downside to it in my experience. Replace/rebuild the lock
>>  barrel and then it simply snaps back into place in the housing.  I do
>>  not believe the access hole can be drilled with the lock still
>>  installed on the column.
>>  As for rekeying the door/trunk locks, yes it can be done. Several years
>>  ago I had a trunk lock rekeyed by a local, old-timer locksmith. He had
>>  difficulty in getting access to the pins and springs - the cover plate
>>  is crimped into place and required some time and effort to figure out
>>  how to safely remove without ruining the whole shebang. Once opened, he
>>  told me he found the smallest lock springs he had ever seen. Despite
>>  Julian's optimism, I highly doubt he could have sourced replacement
>>  pins or springs for the lock; luckily I had spare pins that allowed him
>>  to match that trunk lock barrel to a matched pair of door lock barrels.
>>  I sold the set to a member of this list.
>>  Since that rekeying, I have invested hours of research and bench time
>>  with a collection of Pantera door/trunk locks I have gathered over the
>>  years. The door lock barrels are fairly easy to remove once you have
>>  the door handles out of the door; the trunk lock barrel is retained in
>>  its housing by a blind-hole pin that requires some delicate Dremel
>>  drilling and subsequent prying to remove that pin. The door and trunk
>>  lock barrels use the same pins and springs, but the lock barrels are
>>  different for the two applications.
>>  While the lock barrels have six pin cuts, there are only three
>>  different lengths of pins that are mixed and matched to create the
>>  different key patterns.
>>  BTW, there are two styles of lock/trunk keys and thus two versions of
>>  barrels, but the barrel internals are the same for both styles.
>>  While I have yet to do a proof-of-concept, I am quite confident I can
>>  now re-pin any of the three lock barrels as required. Thanks to my
>>  locksmith's assistance, he tracked down the info on what cut to make
>>  for each of the three pins, he should be able to cut fresh, new keys
>>  matched to whatever 6-pin combination I provide to him.
>>  I've included a couple of photos.
>>  One showing the minuscule spring. The other showing a door lock barrel,
>>  the crimped-in-place pins/springs cover and two pins.
>>  Anyone wanting to be my first guinea pig for re-keying their locks
>>  should contact me off list.
>>  Larry
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