[DeTomaso] Can door and trunk locks be re-keyed, anyone successful with the ignition without removing the lock from the housing??
Ken Green
kenn_green at yahoo.com
Mon Mar 13 12:42:15 EDT 2017
I assume that door locks for one key profile cannot be re-keyed for the other profile?
Ken
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>; "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Can door and trunk locks be re-keyed, anyone successful with the ignition without removing the lock from the housing??
I stock two different key blanks that fit two styles of lock cylinders
that I have in stock from original lock sets. Somehow I don¹t think all is
as simple and standardized as you might be assuming as you haven¹t
observed many of the tumbler combinations that were put into these cars.
Just when you think you have it all figured out, DeTomaso will throw you a
twist.
Larry Stock
On 3/13/17, 8:35 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Larry,
>
> Thanks for the write up and research work on behalf of the community!
>
> If the trunk lock is the harder to rekey with availability of pins,
> then it would seem wise for anyone wishing to rekey the set to
> rekey both doors to match the trunk?
>
> Given that you have discovered there are only 3 unique pins in 6 slots,
> that's only 729 possible permutations for keys and in reality likely
> significantly less as certain combinations would not be used.
>
> When disassembling my '74 I came across what I assumed was a key card
> with a 3 digit number stuck up under the dash. If that is what the card
> was it implies there is a record of key pattern to pin combinations
> somewhere in the Ford archives....
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:55 PM
> To: Email List Address For Posting
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Can door and trunk locks be re-keyed, anyone
> successful with the ignition without removing the lock from the
> housing??
>
> Ken,
> I've removed several ignition locks from their housings. Drill the
> hole, depress the black spring steel piece, and barrel assembly can be
> removed. No downside to it in my experience. Replace/rebuild the lock
> barrel and then it simply snaps back into place in the housing. I do
> not believe the access hole can be drilled with the lock still
> installed on the column.
> As for rekeying the door/trunk locks, yes it can be done. Several years
> ago I had a trunk lock rekeyed by a local, old-timer locksmith. He had
> difficulty in getting access to the pins and springs - the cover plate
> is crimped into place and required some time and effort to figure out
> how to safely remove without ruining the whole shebang. Once opened, he
> told me he found the smallest lock springs he had ever seen. Despite
> Julian's optimism, I highly doubt he could have sourced replacement
> pins or springs for the lock; luckily I had spare pins that allowed him
> to match that trunk lock barrel to a matched pair of door lock barrels.
> I sold the set to a member of this list.
> Since that rekeying, I have invested hours of research and bench time
> with a collection of Pantera door/trunk locks I have gathered over the
> years. The door lock barrels are fairly easy to remove once you have
> the door handles out of the door; the trunk lock barrel is retained in
> its housing by a blind-hole pin that requires some delicate Dremel
> drilling and subsequent prying to remove that pin. The door and trunk
> lock barrels use the same pins and springs, but the lock barrels are
> different for the two applications.
> While the lock barrels have six pin cuts, there are only three
> different lengths of pins that are mixed and matched to create the
> different key patterns.
> BTW, there are two styles of lock/trunk keys and thus two versions of
> barrels, but the barrel internals are the same for both styles.
> While I have yet to do a proof-of-concept, I am quite confident I can
> now re-pin any of the three lock barrels as required. Thanks to my
> locksmith's assistance, he tracked down the info on what cut to make
> for each of the three pins, he should be able to cut fresh, new keys
> matched to whatever 6-pin combination I provide to him.
> I've included a couple of photos.
> One showing the minuscule spring. The other showing a door lock barrel,
> the crimped-in-place pins/springs cover and two pins.
> Anyone wanting to be my first guinea pig for re-keying their locks
> should contact me off list.
> Larry
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I assume that door locks for one key profile cannot be re-keyed for the
other profile?
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Larry Finch
<fresnofinches at aol.com>; "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Can door and trunk locks be re-keyed, anyone
successful with the ignition without removing the lock from the
housing??
I stock two different key blanks that fit two styles of lock cylinders
that I have in stock from original lock sets. Somehow I donA^1t think
all is
as simple and standardized as you might be assuming as you havenA^1t
observed many of the tumbler combinations that were put into these
cars.
Just when you think you have it all figured out, DeTomaso will throw
you a
twist.
Larry Stock
On 3/13/17, 8:35 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
<[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Larry,
>
> Thanks for the write up and research work on behalf of the
community!
>
> If the trunk lock is the harder to rekey with availability of pins,
> then it would seem wise for anyone wishing to rekey the set to
> rekey both doors to match the trunk?
>
> Given that you have discovered there are only 3 unique pins in 6
slots,
> that's only 729 possible permutations for keys and in reality likely
> significantly less as certain combinations would not be used.
>
> When disassembling my '74 I came across what I assumed was a key
card
> with a 3 digit number stuck up under the dash. If that is what the
card
> was it implies there is a record of key pattern to pin combinations
> somewhere in the Ford archives....
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
> Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:55 PM
> To: Email List Address For Posting
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Can door and trunk locks be re-keyed, anyone
> successful with the ignition without removing the lock from the
> housing??
>
> Ken,
> I've removed several ignition locks from their housings. Drill the
> hole, depress the black spring steel piece, and barrel assembly can
be
> removed. No downside to it in my experience. Replace/rebuild the
lock
> barrel and then it simply snaps back into place in the housing. I
do
> not believe the access hole can be drilled with the lock still
> installed on the column.
> As for rekeying the door/trunk locks, yes it can be done. Several
years
> ago I had a trunk lock rekeyed by a local, old-timer locksmith. He
had
> difficulty in getting access to the pins and springs - the cover
plate
> is crimped into place and required some time and effort to figure
out
> how to safely remove without ruining the whole shebang. Once opened,
he
> told me he found the smallest lock springs he had ever seen. Despite
> Julian's optimism, I highly doubt he could have sourced replacement
> pins or springs for the lock; luckily I had spare pins that allowed
him
> to match that trunk lock barrel to a matched pair of door lock
barrels.
> I sold the set to a member of this list.
> Since that rekeying, I have invested hours of research and bench
time
> with a collection of Pantera door/trunk locks I have gathered over
the
> years. The door lock barrels are fairly easy to remove once you have
> the door handles out of the door; the trunk lock barrel is retained
in
> its housing by a blind-hole pin that requires some delicate Dremel
> drilling and subsequent prying to remove that pin. The door and
trunk
> lock barrels use the same pins and springs, but the lock barrels are
> different for the two applications.
> While the lock barrels have six pin cuts, there are only three
> different lengths of pins that are mixed and matched to create the
> different key patterns.
> BTW, there are two styles of lock/trunk keys and thus two versions
of
> barrels, but the barrel internals are the same for both styles.
> While I have yet to do a proof-of-concept, I am quite confident I
can
> now re-pin any of the three lock barrels as required. Thanks to my
> locksmith's assistance, he tracked down the info on what cut to make
> for each of the three pins, he should be able to cut fresh, new keys
> matched to whatever 6-pin combination I provide to him.
> I've included a couple of photos.
> One showing the minuscule spring. The other showing a door lock
barrel,
> the crimped-in-place pins/springs cover and two pins.
> Anyone wanting to be my first guinea pig for re-keying their locks
> should contact me off list.
> Larry
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