[DeTomaso] SN 5533 Racing Next Weekend - June 9-11 -- at Portland
Gray Gregory
rgg at gregorycook.com
Wed Jun 14 06:42:32 EDT 2017
Steve,
Sorry to hear about the motor but it sounds like you were well prepared for that possibility.
The SVRA gold medallion program is not to onerous. They will not care about things like original wiring or radiator etc. they are primarily interested in the car looking and performing like it would have in the day. So no blatant modern performance upgrades and no modern looking add ons. For example they made me change the gauges in both of my cars from black bezel race tech gauges to period correct chrome bezel Smiths gauges. If you stick to your plan to build the car to 1972 FIA Group 3 spec you shouldn't have any problems.
Good luck,
Gray
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Steve Lisa
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] SN 5533 Racing Next Weekend - June 9-11 -- at Portland
All,
Our race weekend at Portland International Raceway is now behind us. The short story is it the car was great and a lot of fun, even in the pouring rain.
We ran well Friday night with my son-in-law Dan driving, I drove Saturday in qualifying and the first Saturday vintage race, and then I worked the motor too hard in qualifying on Sunday morning for the second race and we blew it up. I spent too much time above 5000 rpm, and the motor wasn't up to it. But, everything on the car worked perfectly for 2 solid hours of hard practicing, qualifying and racing. So - -that means we are getting closer.
We had already decided before this event to remove the #2 engine (the one Asa Jay built - not the original which is still in a bag on an engine stand), as we are going to install the racing fuel cell. We already made plans to convert Engine 2 to more of a mule race motor rather than a hot street motor. We would continue to run Engine 2 as a mule while we continue to sort the car and prep it for proper vintage racing. When the time comes - the original motor "Engine 1" will be built to proper FIA Specs as of 12/31/72 and its SVRA Gold Medallion inspection.
Here is our next list of to do items (all with the goal of remaining as closely as possible to the FIA Group 3 legal as of 12/31/72):
1. Remove, Rebuild and re-install #2 Engine as race mule (aiming for
similar output as the '72 Grp 3 engines - around 350-380 reliable HP).
2. Remove and rebuild original ZF transaxle (trans #1).
3. Install fuel cell
4. Install new ZF transaxle (trans #2) from our other GT40 project for
continued race testing/development of SN5533.
5. Install removable steering wheel.
6. Add a remote ignition/start in place of the cig lighter, so a driver
can turn on and off the car when belted in.
7. Hard wire the fans to a switch on radio delete panel.
8. Try to replace the ammeter with something OEM-looking but working,
rather than watching it jump all over the place.
9. Lower seat belt bar in cage (it is too high and not pulling us down
in our seat)
10. Install trans and engine oil coolers in the location where the A/C
condenser was mounted)
11. Start putting the car on a serious diet t0 get it down below 3000
lbs. We have removed the A/C, heater, radio, speakers, bumpers/attachment,
carpeting, original seats/brackets. But we have added a race
seats/brackets, a full cage with proper backing plates, and a fire system.
We are about to trade a fuel cell of the original tank, and add some
coolers. So, we are not making much progress on the diet plan. It weighs
3200 lbs with driver and 8 gallons of fuel. I think the item will be to
remove the power windows and replace them with manual cranks.
I am hopeful that after the August event in Portland, we will have in one year built a mechanically sound, legal, nearly original vintage racer.
At that point, we will continue to race the car next year (2018) with goal of reverting *back* to 12/31/72 FIA specs items that are outside those specs. I am sure we will be allowed to keep most of the safety items in place. But, I need to figure out what SVRA Gold Medallion is going to require for things like original wiring, fuel pump, radiator, etc. The entire engine/trans program will need to be based on the original engine #1 and trans #1, and I will need to make the original 7" and 8" wheels work (which is why I had a set of 7" and 8" Bassett wheels built to test with).
It may take several attempts to get past the inspection, but in the meantime, it will be fully legal for SVRA/HSR Group 5 racing at any most any event.
It was nice to meet Stephen Nelson and see his Pantera (which he brought ot the track and which is very, very tastefully done). I have attached a few pictures. Lots more are in the shared folder. I have an in car video of qualifying it the rain if anyone is interested - just ping me.
2017-June-PIR-drive-download-20170613T164341Z-0...
<https://drive.google.com/a/patentit.com/file/d/0B8l5rUbcj5zjRWtheWdQOUJ6OUE/view?usp=drive_web>
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 312-320-5888
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On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
> Sorry all - the link for photo sharing was wrong:
>
> - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B8l5rUbcj5zjUEhMMnFYeE0wZEU?
> usp=sharing
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> Direct: 312-320-5888 <(312)%20320-5888>
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> remain the same.*
>
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> 480.535.6628 <(480)%20535-6628> | *A:* 7689 East Paradise Lane,
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> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I am taking another shot next weekend at the Portland SCCA Vintage
>> event at PIR June 9-11 with SN 5533 (Asa Jay's Pantera). My
>> son-in-law Dan will be running the Friday Night Track event on Friday
>> evening June 9, and I hope to be running the vintage race in VP3 on
>> Saturday (the 10th) and Sunday (if all goes well). I have attached a pdf of the schedule.
>>
>> Last time was fun but ended early with brake failure. We also had
>> some electrical/coil gremlins. Thanks to all those that tried to help!
>>
>> I am still relatively new to this project, and would welcome
>> knowledgeable Pantera owners out to give us some advice. If any of
>> the Portland group are looking for something to do, we would love to
>> see you out there! 10-day forecast says rain most of the weekend (we
>> have full rain tires).
>>
>> Hopefully it won't be a fire drill, but it is only the second race
>> event for the car - call my cell to make sure we are running before
>> you make a long trip (312-320-5888 <(312)%20320-5888>).
>>
>> Since our last event we have:
>>
>> 1. Put the new brake booster on (went to the upgraded one for safety
>> reasons after the original failed at the end of PIR straightaway);
>> 2. added the vented rotors front and rear (thanks Mike!);
>> 3. Changed to full race pads;
>> 4. fabricated ducts on the backing plates and properly ducted the
>> still stock brake calipers;
>> 5. Stripped and cleaned up the front trunk area;
>> 6. Added some better shrouding around the radiator to force air
>> through it rather than over it;
>> 7. rewired the kill switch and added a larger engine ground (we were
>> for some reason killing the coil, and finally added a resistor to cut the
>> voltage to the coil, which seemed to work -- fingers crossed!);
>> 8. made the window nets SCCA legal.
>> 9. Did our usual race prep.
>>
>> We previously:
>>
>> 1. Made the roll cage removable but still full race legal - tons of
>> work - backing plates, adding side impact bars, and rear bars to rear shock
>> towers.
>> 2. Removed rear window and replaced with Lexan.
>> 3. Lowered the seats,
>> 4. removed all carpeting and stripped and cleaned up the floor
>> 5. removed the AC system
>> 6. removed the bumpers and related hardware
>> 7. removed the radio and adding cover plates
>> 8. added a full race fire extinguisher system
>> 9. added cut off switch in the original radiator location
>> 10. added front driving lights
>> 11. added race seats.
>> 12. Had custom Bassett wheels made and fitted for Hoosier TDS vintage
>> race tires. [Currently running 10 inch rears and 8 inch front wheels, but
>> also had some 7 inch made to eventually go back to FIA Group 3 legal for
>> 12/31/72 (which requires 7" front and 8" rear).]
>>
>> Of course, ASA Jay had already done a lot to SN5533 before I bought it.
>>
>> Asa Jay - you and are son are welcome to come out - if you can make
>> it, I will try to get your son some time in the passenger seat.
>>
>> I will be sure to get some pictures and video this time around to
>> upload. In the meantime I have shared some photos of the build at
>> the following link:
>>
>> - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8l5rUbcj5zjZzVBVkExNWtxd1k
>> /view?usp=sharing
>>
>> When reviewing and suggesting, keep in mind we are trying to keep
>> this FIA Group 3 legal with a date of 12/31/72. That means the car
>> needs to remain the equivalent of a show room stock racer. So, we
>> will still need to backdate some things, as some of the mods are NOT FIA Group 3 legal as
>> of 12/3172. Right now, I am focusing on making it race worthy and safe,
>> with limited mods to run in SVRA/HSR Group 5. Then, once it is
>> running reliably, I will need to "go back" to an original
>> period-correct engine, carb, wheels etc. All in good time!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
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