[DeTomaso] Slow (or no) cranking when hot

Sun Jul 16 17:01:38 EDT 2017

I bought a rebuilt 'heavy-duty' starter that fixed the problem for about 6 starts, then it returned. Turns out the built-in solenoid used a poly insulator in its back end to separate the two giant current contacts. The copper contacts sunk into the plastic as it softened from starter current heat. OEM solenoids use a non-melting bakelite contact separator. So I replaced the poly insulator in my NEW solenoid with one removed from a 20 yr-old solenoid and that fixed things more permanently. Cheap rebuilds may need extra work...- J Deryke

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From: Robert Stroj <npdrs at maui.net>
To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 2:49 am
Subject: [DeTomaso] Slow cranking when hot

Hi,

Thanks for all great suggestions, I will check one by one, starting with battery, grounding......
What is strange that it had this problem 3 times on first day, but it never happened again on second and third day of the trip....car definitely got just as hot on those days!?
It can not be solenoid is it is bypassed since I am using solenoid that is built into my starter.
Will be hard to trace the problem as is not consistent but, for beginning will just make sure all the grounds are good/tight.

On another note, we got caught in heavy rain and had water running down on our legs, glovebox and fuse panel.
Before the trip I siliconed between windshield and rubber seal, so I really doubt that much water could come trough there......there was about 1/2l probably in half hour of rain....
Does anyone have suggestions where else to look for the leak?
I also checked drain from wiper grills area and this is totally clear...
I got early 71 car that has lull lever for wanting from the outside but I am not sure where this opening is and if this could be the problem?

Thanks, Robert

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   I bought a rebuilt 'heavy-duty' starter that fixed the problem for
   about 6 starts, then it returned. Turns out the built-in solenoid used
   a poly insulator in its back end to separate the two giant current
   contacts. The copper contacts sunk into the plastic as it softened from
   starter current heat. OEM solenoids use a non-melting bakelite contact
   separator. So I replaced the poly insulator in my NEW solenoid with one
   removed from a 20 yr-old solenoid and that fixed things more
   permanently. Cheap rebuilds may need extra work...- J Deryke
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Robert Stroj <npdrs at maui.net>
   To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 2:49 am
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Slow cranking when hot
   Hi,
   Thanks for all great suggestions, I will check one by one, starting
   with battery, grounding......
   What is strange that it had this problem 3 times on first day, but it
   never happened again on second and third day of the trip....car
   definitely got just as hot on those days!?
   It can not be solenoid is it is bypassed since I am using solenoid that
   is built into my starter.
   Will be hard to trace the problem as is not consistent but, for
   beginning will just make sure all the grounds are good/tight.
   On another note, we got caught in heavy rain and had water running down
   on our legs, glovebox and fuse panel.
   Before the trip I siliconed between windshield and rubber seal, so I
   really doubt that much water could come trough there......there was
   about 1/2l probably in half hour of rain....
   Does anyone have suggestions where else to look for the leak?
   I also checked drain from wiper grills area and this is totally
   clear...
   I got early 71 car that has lull lever for wanting from the outside but
   I am not sure where this opening is and if this could be the problem?
   Thanks, Robert
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   > 3. Re: Pantera Rear Axle (B Hower)
   > 4. Re: Slow cranking when hot - frozen mechanical advance?
   > (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas)
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