[DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
Julian Kift
julian_kift at hotmail.com
Thu Jan 26 15:16:07 EST 2017
That is quite noticeable for 5 months from you prior inspection and report, how often has the car been used during the winter period?
Does the propylene glycol you are using have the same corrosion inhibitors as found in ethylene glycol? I have use propylene glycol for boat engine and RV winterization here in the US and I don't think it had any corrosion inhibitors.
Is stagnant coolant that sits more or less likely to increase galvanic corrosion?
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Thomas Törnblom <thomas at hax.se>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
Pulled the anode again today, and now it shows wear. I suspect that it had some coating initially that protected it.
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> 15 aug. 2016 kl. 22:46 skrev Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>:
>
> I just pulled the anode for checking, and it shows no wear, which I attribute to the use of soft water (I have a softener in my house) and 1/3 propylene glycol.
>
> I cleaned it with an abrasive scotch brite and inserted it again. I'll check again in a couple of years.
>
> I have not had to replace the magnesium anode in my boiler either, and it has been in use since 2004. It has an indicator that turns red when it needs to be replaced, and it is still white, which probably indicates that the water is soft.
>
> Thomas
>
>> Den 2016-08-10 kl. 09:06, skrev thomas:
>> I have not checked the anode since I installed it. I should perhaps do that. 😎
>> I used the radiator without an anode for a few years initially.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>> 10 aug. 2016 kl. 08:44 skrev Roland <willibillie at live.de>:
>>>
>>> Interesting about the anode. How often did you have to change it in ten years?
>>>
>>> Roland
>>>
>>>> Am 10.08.2016 um 03:14 schrieb Thomas Törnblom <tipo874 at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> I installed a magnesium anode instead of the drain cock in my Fluidyne radiator a few years back. I've had this radiator for well over ten years without issues.
>>>>
>>>> I use propylene antifreeze and soft water.
>>>>
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>>> 9 aug. 2016 kl. 23:29 skrev Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Pantera Parts Connection Fluidyne system with shroud and fans runs
>>>>> $1250.00 complete. We have never had one fail since running the No-rossion
>>>>> water treatment additive to insure the Lucas electrical back-feed doesn¹t
>>>>> turn the Aluminum radiator into an anode, which is the main reason for
>>>>> aluminum radiators to fail. BTW Soft water works best for filling your
>>>>> system against electrolysis. Larry
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/9/16, 1:28 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken and Lela MacArthur"
>>>>> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of klckmac at msn.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jack,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I received lots of good feedback on radiators recently as you may have
>>>>>> seen. I have an older Hall Brass radiator that was in good shape
>>>>>> overall in our car which I decided to repair for a couple hundred bucks
>>>>>> and add their Mariah fans since mine were stock. Many people like the
>>>>>> Hall one. Many liked aluminum, especially the Ron Davis sold by Pantera
>>>>>> Performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dennis Quella @ [1]http://panteraperformance.com/ was recommended for
>>>>>> a high quality, all tig welded aluminum setup from Ron Davis racing. I
>>>>>> was told they do not stock them and they special order them as needed,
>>>>>> takes about 3 weeks to a month. I believe his radiator and fans package
>>>>>> are around $1600.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doing some research, I came across Brassworks, haven't heard of anyone
>>>>>> but they do reference a Pantera owner on their site. They are kind of
>>>>>> expensive, around $1300. There may be other Brass/copper radiators done
>>>>>> by others, but I haven't seen any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sooo, timing and money were one factor for us, plus our radiator is
>>>>>> repairable and works well, will work even better once the fans and
>>>>>> correct relays are in. The Hall radiator is around $600 brand new.
>>>>>> [2]http://hallpantera.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps some, good luck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken MacArthur
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 72L 4443
>>>>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>>>>>> Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:32 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Jack Donahue'; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Jack:
>>>>>> What seems to be the problem with your existing setup, you have had it
>>>>>> 12 years ?
>>>>>> Cheers:
>>>>>> Please use my bill at incendium.com email address in all messages.
>>>>>> Bill Moore
>>>>>> Incendium Supply Ltd.
>>>>>> Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
>>>>>> Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9
>>>>>> 403.202.0055
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: DeTomaso [[3]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Jack Donahue
>>>>>> Sent: August-09-16 1:23 PM
>>>>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
>>>>>> Hey all - I need some good advice on radiators. I currently have a
>>>>>> Fluidyne performance unit without a shroud. I've been told that a
>>>>>> shroud is a necessity, which I understand. I've had it for about 12
>>>>>> years now - no leaks. The rumblings on The List lean towards a unit by
>>>>>> Dennis Quella(?) - don't know the correct spelling or the company, but
>>>>>> the last I had read from someone was just to get his radiator and "be
>>>>>> done with it". I think it was a double-pass (I guess that's good) - and
>>>>>> I assume it's shrouded. Another side of me asks - which is better -
>>>>>> copper or aluminum? And Why? I know the copper units are heavier, but I
>>>>>> am not concerned about extra weight. I am familiar with the company -
>>>>>> Brassworks - they have been at it since the early 1900's. Ken and Lela
>>>>>> MacArthur had mentioned Brassworks in July. So - here we go - I know
>>>>>> the discussion will generate a fair amount of opinions - which I always
>>>>>> welcome, since it will generate more questions too. Looking forward to
>>>>>> hearing from all the experts - i know you are out there.
>>>>>> jack #4348
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. http://panteraperformance.com/
[http://panteraperformance.com/Photo_Gallery_1/Cars/Blue1a.jpg]<http://panteraperformance.com/>
Pantera Performance<http://panteraperformance.com/>
panteraperformance.com
Pantera Performance Center Inc. 1856 North Park St. Castle Rock, Colorado 80109 . 303-660-9897. 303-660-9159 Fax
>>>>>> 2. http://hallpantera.com/
[http://hallpantera.com/images/d/1978/CARS_001.jpg]<http://hallpantera.com/>
Hall Pantera - "Quality Beyond Compare"<http://hallpantera.com/>
hallpantera.com
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That is quite noticeable for 5 months from you prior inspection and
report, how often has the car been used during the winter period?
Does the propylene glycol you are using have the same corrosion
inhibitors as found in ethylene glycol? I have use propylene glycol for
boat engine and RV winterization here in the US and I don't think it
had any corrosion inhibitors.
Is stagnant coolant that sits more or less likely to increase galvanic
corrosion?
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Thomas Toernblom <thomas at hax.se>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:53 AM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
Pulled the anode again today, and now it shows wear. I suspect that it
had some coating initially that protected it.
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> 15 aug. 2016 kl. 22:46 skrev Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>:
>
> I just pulled the anode for checking, and it shows no wear, which I
attribute to the use of soft water (I have a softener in my house) and
1/3 propylene glycol.
>
> I cleaned it with an abrasive scotch brite and inserted it again.
I'll check again in a couple of years.
>
> I have not had to replace the magnesium anode in my boiler either,
and it has been in use since 2004. It has an indicator that turns red
when it needs to be replaced, and it is still white, which probably
indicates that the water is soft.
>
> Thomas
>
>> Den 2016-08-10 kl. 09:06, skrev thomas:
>> I have not checked the anode since I installed it. I should perhaps
do that.
>> I used the radiator without an anode for a few years initially.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>> 10 aug. 2016 kl. 08:44 skrev Roland <willibillie at live.de>:
>>>
>>> Interesting about the anode. How often did you have to change it in
ten years?
>>>
>>> Roland
>>>
>>>> Am 10.08.2016 um 03:14 schrieb Thomas Toernblom
<tipo874 at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> I installed a magnesium anode instead of the drain cock in my
Fluidyne radiator a few years back. I've had this radiator for well
over ten years without issues.
>>>>
>>>> I use propylene antifreeze and soft water.
>>>>
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>>> 9 aug. 2016 kl. 23:29 skrev Larry Stock
<larrys at panteraparts.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Pantera Parts Connection Fluidyne system with shroud and fans
runs
>>>>> $1250.00 complete. We have never had one fail since running the
No-rossion
>>>>> water treatment additive to insure the Lucas electrical back-feed
doesn^1t
>>>>> turn the Aluminum radiator into an anode, which is the main
reason for
>>>>> aluminum radiators to fail. BTW Soft water works best for filling
your
>>>>> system against electrolysis. Larry
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/9/16, 1:28 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken and Lela
MacArthur"
>>>>> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
klckmac at msn.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jack,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I received lots of good feedback on radiators recently as you
may have
>>>>>> seen. I have an older Hall Brass radiator that was in good shape
>>>>>> overall in our car which I decided to repair for a couple
hundred bucks
>>>>>> and add their Mariah fans since mine were stock. Many people
like the
>>>>>> Hall one. Many liked aluminum, especially the Ron Davis sold by
Pantera
>>>>>> Performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dennis Quella @ [1]http://panteraperformance.com/ was
recommended for
>>>>>> a high quality, all tig welded aluminum setup from Ron Davis
racing. I
>>>>>> was told they do not stock them and they special order them as
needed,
>>>>>> takes about 3 weeks to a month. I believe his radiator and fans
package
>>>>>> are around $1600.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doing some research, I came across Brassworks, haven't heard of
anyone
>>>>>> but they do reference a Pantera owner on their site. They are
kind of
>>>>>> expensive, around $1300. There may be other Brass/copper
radiators done
>>>>>> by others, but I haven't seen any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sooo, timing and money were one factor for us, plus our radiator
is
>>>>>> repairable and works well, will work even better once the fans
and
>>>>>> correct relays are in. The Hall radiator is around $600 brand
new.
>>>>>> [2]http://hallpantera.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps some, good luck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken MacArthur
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 72L 4443
>>>>>>
__________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
>>>>>> Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:32 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Jack Donahue'; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Jack:
>>>>>> What seems to be the problem with your existing setup, you have
had it
>>>>>> 12 years ?
>>>>>> Cheers:
>>>>>> Please use my bill at incendium.com email address in all messages.
>>>>>> Bill Moore
>>>>>> Incendium Supply Ltd.
>>>>>> Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
>>>>>> Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9
>>>>>> 403.202.0055
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: DeTomaso
[[3]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Jack Donahue
>>>>>> Sent: August-09-16 1:23 PM
>>>>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
>>>>>> Hey all - I need some good advice on radiators. I currently have
a
>>>>>> Fluidyne performance unit without a shroud. I've been told that
a
>>>>>> shroud is a necessity, which I understand. I've had it for about
12
>>>>>> years now - no leaks. The rumblings on The List lean towards a
unit by
>>>>>> Dennis Quella(?) - don't know the correct spelling or the
company, but
>>>>>> the last I had read from someone was just to get his radiator
and "be
>>>>>> done with it". I think it was a double-pass (I guess that's
good) - and
>>>>>> I assume it's shrouded. Another side of me asks - which is
better -
>>>>>> copper or aluminum? And Why? I know the copper units are
heavier, but I
>>>>>> am not concerned about extra weight. I am familiar with the
company -
>>>>>> Brassworks - they have been at it since the early 1900's. Ken
and Lela
>>>>>> MacArthur had mentioned Brassworks in July. So - here we go - I
know
>>>>>> the discussion will generate a fair amount of opinions - which I
always
>>>>>> welcome, since it will generate more questions too. Looking
forward to
>>>>>> hearing from all the experts - i know you are out there.
>>>>>> jack #4348
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> References
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. [1]http://panteraperformance.com/
[2][Blue1a.jpg]
[3]Pantera Performance
panteraperformance.com
Pantera Performance Center Inc. 1856 North Park St. Castle Rock,
Colorado 80109 . 303-660-9897. 303-660-9159 Fax
>>>>>> 2. [4]http://hallpantera.com/
[5][CARS_001.jpg]
[6]Hall Pantera - "Quality Beyond Compare"
hallpantera.com
World's Largest Pantera Parts House "Our only competitors? Ourselves."
-Gary Hall, founder of Hall Pantera. Since 1976, Hall Pantera has
supplied parts and service ...
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References
1. http://panteraperformance.com/
2. http://panteraperformance.com/
3. http://panteraperformance.com/
4. http://hallpantera.com/
5. http://hallpantera.com/
6. http://hallpantera.com/
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