[DeTomaso] Longchamp spyder questions....
Patrick HALS
patrickhals at gmail.com
Wed Jan 11 11:11:17 EST 2017
I had planned a visit to Roland early in December, to visit his Ali Baba
cave :>)) because I just bought a Pushbutton that needs restoration ( VIN
1077 )
I am going there next week and will report, boys ! :>))
Many thanks for your interest and your kind help !
Pat
Patrick Hals
+32.476.567.898
2017-01-11 17:06 GMT+01:00 Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>:
> Roland had a Longchamp for sale very recently, it was a project car down
> to bare chassis, but looked like the bodywork and paint had all been done
> so it was simply a case of "some reassembly required"
>
>
> I'm surprised he hasn't chimed in...
>
>
> Julian
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:56 AM
> *To:* 'B Hower'; 'Björn Carlsson'; 'Patrick HALS'; Detomaso Email List
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] Longchamp spyder questions....
>
> You have probably seen it, but Roland Jaeckel used his Longchamp to tow a
> Vallalunga to at least a couple of events
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>] On Behalf Of B Hower via
> DeTomaso
> Sent: martes, 10 de enero de 2017 13:28
> To: Björn Carlsson; Patrick HALS; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Longchamp spyder questions....
>
> Björn,
> Your " PS A Longchamp pulling a trailer with a Pantera race car would be
> nice view!" sounds like something I would dream of .......... I would
> just like to have my Ranchero and trailer set up to haul my Pantera.
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be !
> ) From: Björn Carlsson <bjocar01 at gmail.com>
> To: Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.
> com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Longchamp spyder questions....
>
> Hi Patrick,
> Converting to left hand is "doable". I can take some pictures of the
> firewall since the engine is still out.
> My GTS will soon ship for assembly. The company just worked on another
> Longchamp and my instrument panel was used as a mold since it was
> missing for them. That means another left hand instrument panel should
> be easy to do. The owner has worked on many a Panteras too over the
> years and has one himself.
> There are many small changes to the 3000 serie compared to 2000. The
> engine is moved further back, different heating/ventilation, ZF
> steering rack, more modern interior, often an Aussie Cleveland etc. If
> possible, I would aim for a 3000 car. The original 5-speed ZF is rare
> but there are better alternatives if a manual is desired. Many parts
> comes from Pantera (front suspension etc), others have been rather easy
> to find from the general parts bin.
> The authorities on Longchamp in Europe are Roland Jaeckel and Roger
> Brottom.
> /BjAP:rn, Pushbutton # 1014 and Longchamp GTS # 3253
> PS A Longchamp pulling a trailer with a Pantera race car would be nice
> view! A ;-)
> Infogad bild 2
>
> 2017-01-09 19:22 GMT+01:00 Patrick HALS <[1]patrickhals at gmail.com>:
>
> A A I have interest in one of the less known DT models, the
> Longchamp
> A A Spyder GTS ( or GTSE ? ), type 2 ( VIN's 3000 and above ) .
> A A I think that this car, as a convertible, deserves more
> recognition than
> A A it presently has, ( so do all the DT's in general ) and I know
> that I
> A A am not only one sharing this idea A :>))) . It is a spectacular
> car in
> A A cabrio ( I like the coupA(c) less , but I am obviously a cabrio
> fan,
> A A whatever the brand ) , it is spectacularly rare, A it should be
> a very
> A A fast 4 seater, ( just because of the engine that we all love )
> and the
> A A look is absolutely stunning, even ( and this is rare ) with the
> top on
> A A ! A . Two or three years ago, I had acquired a beautiful Aston
> V8
> A A cabrio from 1984, with a fantastic and beautifully designed
> engine ( so
> A A they say.... ) A and that was a terrible disappointment when i
> drove
> A A it. It was heavy, lacked power and torque, lacked precision in
> the
> A A driving, however all the suspension elements had been
> professionnally
> A A replaced... it felt like an overloaded boat carrying too many
> anchors
> A A .... I just hope the Longchamp does not feel the same on the
> road, due
> A A to its enormous weight . When I look at the announced weight,
> and
> A A knowing how Italians are romantically optimistic ( I am part of
> them,
> A A so to speak A ) I am afraid of the possible result ....A
> A A I have gone over almost everything I could easily find on the
> net over
> A A this model, and also consulted my old original 1994 Bill Van
> Ess
> A A registry that I preciously keep in my library. I of course,
> consulted
> A A Chuck's precious registry, but still, there are some important
> and
> A A unanswered questions. BTW, I noticed that the Longchamp section
> was not
> A A as "clean" and "user friendly" as the Pantera section, and if
> possible,
> A A I will be gladly cooperating to improve it if possible, for our
> A A community.
> A A Well, the result I have gathered so far is quite uncomplete ,
> and there
> A A are some basic questions that remain unanswered.A
> A A So, my dearest "think tank" , here I am...
> A A 1. Were the Spyders ( type 1 and type 2 ) built AT or BY the
> factory ,
> A A or were they built - (i.e. converted ) AA at /by PAVESI in
> Milano ?
> A A Where there any conversions by other body shops ?A
> A A 2. Does anyone know how many spyders with narrow fenders were
> built ?
> A A And with "wide body" A ?A
> A A 3. Did they all come with 8 inch wheels in the front , and 10
> at the
> A A back ? Were the wheels the same as the Pantera ( how many slots
> ? )A
> A A 4. How does it feel driving ? With the ZF ? With the 3 speed
> automatic
> A A gearbox ? How about the handling ? A drunken ship , or
> "something
> A A reasonably vague " due to the weight and the lack of chassis
> rigidity
> A A ?A
> A A 5. Did they all originally come with LHD, and the RHD were
> later
> A A conversions , performed at the factory / at Pavesi ?A
> A A 6. Has anyone experienced the conversion from RHD to LHD or
> vice versa
> A A ? Has it ever been done, like it sometimesA A happens on the
> Pantera (
> A A Mike Miller .... )
> A A 7. I have been told by a present owner, that no less than 3
> different
> A A types of engines were used on the first models . True ?AA What
> engines
> A A ? Which one is the best ?
> A A 8. Any suggestion to discreetly improve the handling if need
> be, while
> A A keeping the original look AA ?
> A A 9. Does anyone have a copy of the service book ? The chassis,
> brakes
> A A A and suspensions are totally different from a Pantera. Where
> can we
> A A find original spares ? Where did A Alejandro buy some of the
> components
> A A ? ( from what other brand ? Alfa, Lancia, Peugeot ....???A
> A A 10. How about the brake calipers and disks ?A
> A A In the EU , prices presently vary from a mere 35.000 euros for
> a wreck
> A A ( a coupe) A in Germany, to 185.000 euros ( a concours GTS
> cabrio ) in
> A A Switzerland. What is , in your opinion, a fair price for a fair
> cabrio
> A A ( not concours, but in good driving condition ) How would you
> rate the
> A A purchase of a Longchamp as an investment for the years to come
> A ?A
> A A Any additional suggestion or remarks welcome A
> A A Many many thanks to all, and Happy New Year from freezing
> Brussels
> A A A !A
> A A Pat
> A A Candy 2862
> A A ADA 9628
> _______________________________________________
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> DeTomaso mailing list
> [2]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
> etc.) use the links above.
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
> archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
>
> --
> BjAP:rn Carlsson
> VACURstra Nygatan 4
> 57080 Virserum
> Tel. 0495-74 90 09, 0708-98 34 30
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:patrickhals at gmail.com <patrickhals at gmail.com>
> 2. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> DeTomaso mailing list
> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use
> the links above.
>
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list.
> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve
> the archiving of list messages.
>
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
I had planned a visit to Roland early in December, to visit his Ali
Baba cave A :>)) because I just bought a Pushbutton that needs
restoration ( VIN 1077 )A
I am going there next week and will report, boys ! A :>))A
Many thanks for your interest and your kind help A ! A
Pat
Patrick Hals
+32.476.567.898
[uc?id=0B8SFVUN2Y6REeGpYZS1BX1drT0xZemZQNEhzZi1wQ3Q4TFVn&export=dow
nload]
2017-01-11 17:06 GMT+01:00 Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>:
Roland had a Longchamp for sale very recently, it was a project car
down to bare chassis, but looked like the bodyworkA and paint had all
been done so it was simplyA a case of "some reassembly required"A
I'm surprised he hasn't chimed in...
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Charles McCall <[3]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:56 AM
To: 'B Hower'; 'BjAP:rn Carlsson'; 'Patrick HALS'; Detomaso Email List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Longchamp spyder questions....
A
You have probably seen it, but Roland Jaeckel used his Longchamp to tow
a Vallalunga to at least a couple of events
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf Of B Hower via DeTomaso
Sent: martes, 10 de enero de 2017 13:28
To: BjAP:rn Carlsson; Patrick HALS; [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Longchamp spyder questions....
BjAP:rn,
A Your " PS A Longchamp pulling a trailer with a Pantera race car would
be niceA view!" sounds like something I would dream ofA ..........A
I would just like to have my Ranchero and trailer set up to haul my
Pantera.
Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
! )A A A A A From: BjAP:rn Carlsson <[6]bjocar01 at gmail.com>
A To: Patrick HALS <[7]patrickhals at gmail.com>;
[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:42 AM
A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Longchamp spyder questions....
A A
A Hi Patrick,
A Converting to left hand is "doable". I can take some pictures of the
A firewall since the engine is still out.
A My GTS will soon ship for assembly. The company just worked on
another
A Longchamp and my instrument panel was used as a mold since it was
A missing for them. That means another left hand instrument panel
should
A be easy to do. The owner has worked on many a Panteras too over the
A years and has one himself.
A There are many small changes to the 3000 serie compared to 2000. The
A engine is moved further back, different heating/ventilation, ZF
A steering rack, more modern interior, often an Aussie Cleveland etc.
If
A possible, I would aim for a 3000 car. The original 5-speed ZF is
rare
A but there are better alternatives if a manual is desired. Many parts
A comes from Pantera (front suspension etc), others have been rather
easy
A to find from the general parts bin.
A The authorities on Longchamp in Europe are Roland Jaeckel and Roger
A Brottom.
A /BjAP:rn, Pushbutton # 1014 and Longchamp GTS # 3253
A PS A Longchamp pulling a trailer with a Pantera race car would be
nice
A view! A ;-)
A Infogad bild 2
A 2017-01-09 19:22 GMT+01:00 Patrick HALS
<[1][9]patrickhals at gmail.com>:
A A A AA A I have interest in one of the less known DT models, the
A A A Longchamp
A A A AA A Spyder GTS ( or GTSE ? ), type 2 ( VIN's 3000 and above )
.
A A A AA A I think that this car, as a convertible, deserves more
A A A recognition than
A A A AA A it presently has, ( so do all the DT's in general ) and I
know
A A A that I
A A A AA A am not only one sharing this idea A :>))) . It is a
spectacular
A A A car in
A A A AA A cabrio ( I like the coupA(c) less , but I am obviously a
cabrio
A A A fan,
A A A AA A whatever the brand ) , it is spectacularly rare, A it
should be
A A A a very
A A A AA A fast 4 seater, ( just because of the engine that we all
love )
A A A and the
A A A AA A look is absolutely stunning, even ( and this is rare )
with the
A A A top on
A A A AA A ! A . Two or three years ago, I had acquired a beautiful
Aston
A A A V8
A A A AA A cabrio from 1984, with a fantastic and beautifully
designed
A A A engine ( so
A A A AA A they say.... ) A and that was a terrible disappointment
when i
A A A drove
A A A AA A it. It was heavy, lacked power and torque, lacked
precision in
A A A the
A A A AA A driving, however all the suspension elements had been
A A A professionnally
A A A AA A replaced... it felt like an overloaded boat carrying too
many
A A A anchors
A A A AA A .... I just hope the Longchamp does not feel the same on
the
A A A road, due
A A A AA A to its enormous weight . When I look at the announced
weight,
A A A and
A A A AA A knowing how Italians are romantically optimistic ( I am
part of
A A A them,
A A A AA A so to speak A ) I am afraid of the possible result ....A
A A A AA A I have gone over almost everything I could easily find on
the
A A A net over
A A A AA A this model, and also consulted my old original 1994 Bill
Van
A A A Ess
A A A AA A registry that I preciously keep in my library. I of
course,
A A A consulted
A A A AA A Chuck's precious registry, but still, there are some
important
A A A and
A A A AA A unanswered questions. BTW, I noticed that the Longchamp
section
A A A was not
A A A AA A as "clean" and "user friendly" as the Pantera section, and
if
A A A possible,
A A A AA A I will be gladly cooperating to improve it if possible,
for our
A A A AA A community.
A A A AA A Well, the result I have gathered so far is quite
uncomplete ,
A A A and there
A A A AA A are some basic questions that remain unanswered.A
A A A AA A So, my dearest "think tank" , here I am...
A A A AA A 1. Were the Spyders ( type 1 and type 2 ) built AT or BY
the
A A A factory ,
A A A AA A or were they built - (i.e. converted ) AAA at /by PAVESI
in
A A A Milano ?
A A A AA A Where there any conversions by other body shops ?A
A A A AA A 2. Does anyone know how many spyders with narrow fenders
were
A A A built ?
A A A AA A And with "wide body" A ?A
A A A AA A 3. Did they all come with 8 inch wheels in the front , and
10
A A A at the
A A A AA A back ? Were the wheels the same as the Pantera ( how many
slots
A A A ? )A
A A A AA A 4. How does it feel driving ? With the ZF ? With the 3
speed
A A A automatic
A A A AA A gearbox ? How about the handling ? A drunken ship , or
A A A "something
A A A AA A reasonably vague " due to the weight and the lack of
chassis
A A A rigidity
A A A AA A ?A
A A A AA A 5. Did they all originally come with LHD, and the RHD were
A A A later
A A A AA A conversions , performed at the factory / at Pavesi ?A
A A A AA A 6. Has anyone experienced the conversion from RHD to LHD
or
A A A vice versa
A A A AA A ? Has it ever been done, like it sometimesA A happens on
the
A A A Pantera (
A A A AA A Mike Miller .... )
A A A AA A 7. I have been told by a present owner, that no less than
3
A A A different
A A A AA A types of engines were used on the first models . True
?AAA What
A A A engines
A A A AA A ? Which one is the best ?
A A A AA A 8. Any suggestion to discreetly improve the handling if
need
A A A be, while
A A A AA A keeping the original look AAA ?
A A A AA A 9. Does anyone have a copy of the service book ? The
chassis,
A A A brakes
A A A AA A A and suspensions are totally different from a Pantera.
Where
A A A can we
A A A AA A find original spares ? Where did A Alejandro buy some of
the
A A A components
A A A AA A ? ( from what other brand ? Alfa, Lancia, Peugeot ....???A
A A A AA A 10. How about the brake calipers and disks ?A
A A A AA A In the EU , prices presently vary from a mere 35.000 euros
for
A A A a wreck
A A A AA A ( a coupe) A in Germany, to 185.000 euros ( a concours GTS
A A A cabrio ) in
A A A AA A Switzerland. What is , in your opinion, a fair price for a
fair
A A A cabrio
A A A AA A ( not concours, but in good driving condition ) How would
you
A A A rate the
A A A AA A purchase of a Longchamp as an investment for the years to
come
A A A A ?A
A A A AA A Any additional suggestion or remarks welcome A
A A A AA A Many many thanks to all, and Happy New Year from freezing
A A A Brussels
A A A AA A A !A
A A A AA A Pat
A A A AA A Candy 2862
A A A AA A ADA 9628
A A A _______________________________________________
A A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
A A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
A A A DeTomaso mailing list
A A A [2][10]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A A [3][11]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
A A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
A A A etc.) use the links above.
A A A Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
forward
A A A any message posted here to all past, current, or future members
of
A A A the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain
an
A A A archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
A --
A BjAP:rn Carlsson
A VACURstra Nygatan 4
A 57080 Virserum
A Tel. 0495-74 90 09, 0708-98 34 30
References
A 1. [12]mailto:patrickhals at gmail.com
A 2. [13]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A 3. [14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
_______________________________________________
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
DeTomaso mailing list
[15]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
[16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
use the links above.
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
or approve the archiving of list messages.
A A
References
1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
3. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
6. mailto:bjocar01 at gmail.com
7. mailto:patrickhals at gmail.com
8. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
9. mailto:patrickhals at gmail.com
10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
12. mailto:patrickhals at gmail.com
13. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
15. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
16. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
More information about the DeTomaso
mailing list