[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 6
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Tue Jan 10 18:02:43 EST 2017
Thomas, sleeving ONE cylinder on each side of a particularly valuable iron block will be fine. More than that weakens an already weak iron casting at the main bearing saddles. Adding power only makes things worse. I would first have a sonic check of the block done to verify wall thicknesses before I spent a dime on it.
Most 351C blocks will NOT accept an .030-overbore as the thin walls then get flexy from cylinder pressure. And cast iron doesn't flex well-or for long. I blew a pice of cylinder wall the size of a half-dollar into the water jacket on an overbored block, from a backfire on a starting grid at an autocross (insufficient warm up). It was a 550-horse 351C with 11:1 c.r and we re-sleeved it with no problems.
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Today's Topics:
1. Header coatings (David)
2. Re: Header coatings (mark skwarek)
3. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (tom ware)
4. Re: Header coatings (Asa Jay Laughton)
5. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (Julian Kift)
6. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (Daniel C Jones)
7. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (Asa Jay Laughton)
8. Fwd: Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (Dave Londry)
9. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (Ken Green)
10. Re: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Jeff Cobb)
11. Re: Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (audionut at hushmail.com)
12. Building a Sleeper (Scott Mead Photography)
13. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (Julian Kift)
14. Re: Building a Sleeper (Julian Kift)
15. Re: Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
16. Re: Building a Sleeper (Larry - Ohio Time)
17. Re: Building a Sleeper (Brent Stewart)
18. Re: Building a Sleeper (Mike Drew)
19. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (Ken Green)
20. Re: Building a Sleeper (Daniel C Jones)
21. Re: Building a Sleeper (Brent Stewart)
22. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (Mike Drew)
23. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (tom ware)
24. Re: Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Bill Lewis)
25. Re: Building a Sleeper (Ed Mendez)
26. Re: Building a Sleeper (Ed Mendez)
27. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Jeff Cobb)
28. Re: Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
29. Re: Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Jeff Cobb)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 10:05:16 -0700
From: "David" <adin at frontier.net>
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Header coatings
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Greetings:
Are all coatings the same?
Can a coating be repaired/touched up?
Good experience with a vendor?
Bad experience with a vendor?
Anything else I need to know?
Thanks!
David in Durango
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 17:58:00 +0000 (UTC)
From: mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
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I like Swain Tech coatings.
http://swaintech.com/race-coatings/race-coating-descriptions/white-lightning-exhaust-coatings/
I doubt that a coating can be touched up.? Refinished possibly.
On Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:05 PM, David <adin at frontier.net> wrote:
Greetings:
Are all coatings the same?
Can a coating be repaired/touched up?
Good experience with a vendor?
Bad experience with a vendor?
Anything else I need to know?
Thanks!
David in Durango
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I like Swain Tech coatings.
[1]http://swaintech.com/race-coatings/race-coating-descriptions/white-l
ightning-exhaust-coatings/
I doubt that a coating can be touched up. Refinished possibly.
On Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:05 PM, David <adin at frontier.net> wrote:
Greetings:
Are all coatings the same?
Can a coating be repaired/touched up?
Good experience with a vendor?
Bad experience with a vendor?
Anything else I need to know?
Thanks!
David in Durango
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 19:03:23 +0000
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Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon NJ 07508
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2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
(The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
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Perfect!
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734911
> 6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
> D30
>
> Nice sentiment.A
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how many
> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>
> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed the
> people who made the components that went into it,
>
> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the trucks
> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it from
> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the dealership
> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
> know how many people it fed.
>
> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality. When
> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>
> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving
> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this video
of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters' license
plate - did it used to be white?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters' license
plate - did it used to be white?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
Plate GTS 5W ?
White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this car.
If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to the entry.
Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
Chuck
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens, pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units. They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dave,
I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the high
beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you high
beams, you need more power!
Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens, pattern
function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed light
housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and have
much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the time,
most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4 210 w
single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun blast a
massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as as
team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a glass
bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly relative
to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light beam
pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the place
of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that locates
the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as if
the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me that
the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units. They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as little as
I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
To: <davel at emspace.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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That was high beam?..
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
>
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Chuck,
The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so, bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned it....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters' license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
>
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
>
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
References
1. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon
NJ 07508
[1]Ace595 at hotmail.com | [2]www.acesecurity.net
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3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
(The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
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Perfect!
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
[4]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734
911
>
6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
> D30
>
> Nice sentiment.A
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
many
> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>
> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
the
> people who made the components that went into it,
>
> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
trucks
> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
from
> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
dealership
> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
> know how many people it fed.
>
> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
When
> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>
> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
shoving
> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video
of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
-------------- next part --------------
May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
[7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
Plate GTS 5W ?
White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
the entry.
Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
Chuck
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[10]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dave,
I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
high
beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
high
beams, you need more power!
Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[11]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern
function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light
housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
have
much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time,
most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
210 w
single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
blast a
massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as
team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass
bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative
to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam
pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place
of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates
the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if
the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[12]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that
the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as
I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
To: <davel at emspace.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[15]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[16]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[18]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[19]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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That was high beam?..
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
>
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[21]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[22]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Chuck,
The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro
GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
it....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
> [25]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
>
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
>
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[27]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 11:24:51 -0800
From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: David <adin at frontier.net>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Header coatings
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I think ceramic coatings are the best. I've previously used Jet-hot but will probably use a local vendor next time. I have no idea how to touch it up if it needs it. I currently have a set of headers ceramic coated about 17 years ago and they need to be refreshed. I'll find out when I take them in, whenever that is.
Asa
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>Are all coatings the same?
>
>Can a coating be repaired/touched up?
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>Good experience with a vendor?
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>Anything else I need to know?
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>Thanks!
>
>David in Durango
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I think ceramic coatings are the best. I've previously used Jet-hot
but will probably use a local vendor next time. I have no idea how to
touch it up if it needs it. I currently have a set of headers ceramic
coated about 17 years ago and they need to be refreshed. I'll find out
when I take them in, whenever that is.
Asa
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
David <adin at frontier.net> wrote:
Greetings:
Are all coatings the same?
Can a coating be repaired/touched up?
Good experience with a vendor?
Bad experience with a vendor?
Anything else I need to know?
Thanks!
David in Durango
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 19:25:22 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
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A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my concern would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time before you are into a full rebuild. It's good that you caught the #5 cylinder crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being driven. That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new internals that may be reusable right now.
As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding good core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down some serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
Julian
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Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
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3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
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Perfect!
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734911
> 6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
> D30
>
> Nice sentiment.A
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how many
> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>
> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed the
> people who made the components that went into it,
>
> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the trucks
> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it from
> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the dealership
> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
> know how many people it fed.
>
> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality. When
> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>
> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving
> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this video
of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters' license
plate - did it used to be white?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters' license
plate - did it used to be white?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
Plate GTS 5W ?
White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this car.
If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to the entry.
Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
Chuck
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens, pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units. They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dave,
I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the high
beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you high
beams, you need more power!
Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens, pattern
function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed light
housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and have
much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the time,
most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4 210 w
single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun blast a
massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as as
team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a glass
bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly relative
to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light beam
pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the place
of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that locates
the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as if
the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me that
the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units. They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as little as
I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
To: <davel at emspace.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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That was high beam?..
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
>
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Chuck,
The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so, bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned it....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters' license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
>
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
>
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
-------------- next part --------------
Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
References
1. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my concern
would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time before
you are into a full rebuild. It's good that you caught the #5 cylinder
crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being driven.
That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
internals that may be reusable right now.
As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding good
core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down some
serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
Julian
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Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:03:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: NPC - and just a bit of car stuff (MSM Contractors)
2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
(The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
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Perfect!
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
[4]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734
911
>
6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
> D30
>
> Nice sentiment.A
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
many
> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>
> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
the
> people who made the components that went into it,
>
> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
trucks
> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
from
> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
dealership
> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
> know how many people it fed.
>
> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
When
> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>
> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
shoving
> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video
of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
-------------- next part --------------
May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
[7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
Plate GTS 5W ?
White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
the entry.
Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
Chuck
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[10]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dave,
I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
high
beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
high
beams, you need more power!
Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[11]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern
function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light
housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
have
much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time,
most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
210 w
single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
blast a
massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as
team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass
bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative
to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam
pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place
of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates
the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if
the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[12]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that
the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as
I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
To: <davel at emspace.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[15]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[16]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[18]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[19]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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That was high beam?..
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
>
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[21]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[22]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Chuck,
The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro
GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
it....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
> [25]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
>
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
>
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[27]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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27. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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29. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 13:29:07 -0600
From: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
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> cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into the cooling system !
> so would one sleeve that cylinder ?
If the rest of the cylinders pass sonic check, you can just sleeve the
cracked cylinder.
> or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Note that there are no cast steel blocks, though there are cast iron
blocks. I think currently only the Titus 351C blocks are available. Tim
Meyer is in final development of his aluminum blocks. Once that project is
finished, he will finalize the cast iron blocks. See:
http://www.tmeyerinc.com/category-s/1902.htm
Dan Jones
-------------- next part --------------
> cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into the cooling system !A A
> so would one sleeve that cylinder ?
If the rest of the cylinders pass sonic check, you can just sleeve the
cracked cylinder.A
> or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Note that there are no cast steel blocks, though there are cast iron
blocks.A I think currently only the Titus 351C blocks are available.A
Tim Meyer is in final development of his aluminum blocks.A Once that
project is finished, he will finalize the cast iron blocks.A See:
[1]http://www.tmeyerinc.com/category-s/1902.htm
Dan Jones
References
1. http://www.tmeyerinc.com/category-s/1902.htm
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 11:29:38 -0800
From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Message-ID: <3haqugw0ksp59vsqy8c56m12.1483644531873 at email.android.com>
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I'd sleeve it. Cheap enough to do these days versus finding another block and getting it all machined.
Asa
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>Question for the fellow owners?
>
>the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
>
>after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
>
>or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
>
>
>
>Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
>Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon NJ 07508
>Ace595 at hotmail.com<mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com> | www.acesecurity.net<http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=outlook&signature_id=6072763649359872>
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> 1. Re: NPC - and just a bit of car stuff (MSM Contractors)
> 2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
> 3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
> (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
> 4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
> 5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
> 6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> 7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
> 8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
> 9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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>
>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
>From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
>To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
>Message-ID: <E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Perfect!
>
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734911
>> 6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
>> D30
>>
>> Nice sentiment.A
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> 6559
>>
>> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how many
>> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>>
>> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
>> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed the
>> people who made the components that went into it,
>>
>> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
>> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the trucks
>> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it from
>> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the dealership
>> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
>> know how many people it fed.
>>
>> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality. When
>> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
>> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
>> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>>
>> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
>> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving
>> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
>From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this video
>of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
>
>
>
>
>
>It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only got a
>quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters' license
>plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
>-------------- next part --------------
> May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
> video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
> Combe.
>
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
> got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
> Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
>From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
> List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only got a
>quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters' license
>plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
>Plate GTS 5W ?
>
>White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
>It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
>
>But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this car.
>If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to the entry.
>Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
>From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
>To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>retinas of the oncoming driver.
>
>Jeff touched on this point.
>I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>
>Dave
>
>
>On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens, pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units. They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
>From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
>To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Dave,
>
>I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the high
>beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you high
>beams, you need more power!
>
>Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>Of Dave Londry
>Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
>To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>
>I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>retinas of the oncoming driver.
>
>Jeff touched on this point.
>I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>
>Dave
>
>
>On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens, pattern
>function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed light
>housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and have
>much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
>producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the time,
>most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4 210 w
>single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun blast a
>massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as as
>team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a glass
>bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly relative
>to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light beam
>pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the place
>of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that locates
>the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting a
>xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as if
>the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high beams,
>which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me that
>the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
>years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units. They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as little as
>I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
>_______________________________________________
>
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>
>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
>From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
>To: <davel at emspace.com>
>Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>Message-ID: <4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
>Tomas
>
>
>
><-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
>Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>
>I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>retinas of the oncoming driver.
>
>Jeff touched on this point.
>I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>
>Dave
>
>
>On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs
>and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
>dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
>H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
>shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
>beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
>locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
>in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting a
>xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high beams,
>which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
>all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
>years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
>_______________________________________________
>
>
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>-------------- next part --------------
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
> > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
> dreamed of producing.
> > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
> >
> > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
> > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
> >
> > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
> you are in business.
> >
> >
> > Jeff Cobb- I pad
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a xenon
> >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
> >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
> >>
> >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
> >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
> >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
> >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
> >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> Hi Jeff,
> >>
> >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
> >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
> >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
> all
> >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
> years.
> >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
> >>
> >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
> >> manufactures.
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
> >> To: DeTomaso List
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
> >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
> >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
> >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
> >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
> >>
> >>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
>From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
>To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
>Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>Message-ID: <7B98FED4-77F1-43C6-9318-615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>That was high beam?..
>
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
>>
>> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>>
>> Tomas
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
>> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>> Jeff touched on this point.
>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>> Dave
>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>> pattern function and temperature.
>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
>> dreamed of producing.
>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
>> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
>> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>> as team with the LED.
>>>
>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>> glass bulb containing sodium
>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>
>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
>> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
>> you are in business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
>> a xenon
>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>> if the
>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>
>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>> beams, which
>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>> that the
>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>> the
>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
>> all
>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
>> years.
>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>>> manufactures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>> to
>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>> They
>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>> same.
>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>> little as I
>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
>From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>Message-ID: <2BC46E79-666A-41AA-83BB-30981077FA40 at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Chuck,
>
>The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so, bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
>
>I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned it....
>
>Mike
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only got a
>> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters' license
>> plate - did it used to be white?
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>>
>>
>>
>> Plate GTS 5W ?
>>
>> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
>> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
>>
>> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this car.
>> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to the entry.
>> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
>From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
>Message-ID: <7684BDF4-2A60-497B-8454-2E9524D83F6C at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>Guys,
>
>thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
>
>Mike
>
>> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>>
>> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>>
>>
>> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>>
>> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>-------------- next part --------------
> Guys,
>
> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
>
> Mike
>
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
> [1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>
>References
>
> 1. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>
>------------------------------
>
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>End of DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
>****************************************
>
> Question for the fellow owners?
>
> the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
> dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
>
> after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
> the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
> bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
>
> or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
>
> Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
> Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon
> NJ 07508
> [1]Ace595 at hotmail.com | [2]www.acesecurity.net
> __________________________________________________________________
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> 1. Re: NPC - and just a bit of car stuff (MSM Contractors)
> 2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
> 3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
> (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
> 4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
> 5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
> 6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> 7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
> 8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
> 9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
> From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
> To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
> Message-ID: <E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Perfect!
> > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> [4]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734
> 911
> >
> 6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
> > D30
> >
> > Nice sentiment.A
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > 6559
> >
> > A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
> many
> > people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
> >
> > I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
> > Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
> the
> > people who made the components that went into it,
> >
> > it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
> > wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
> trucks
> > that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
> from
> > the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
> dealership
> > and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
> > know how many people it fed.
> >
> > That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
> When
> > you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
> > dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> > nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
> >
> > Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
> > value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
> shoving
> > something down your throat that you never asked for.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
> From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
> Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
> video
> of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
> got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
> license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
> [6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
> video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
> Combe.
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
> Only
> got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
> Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
> [7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
> ------------------------------
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
> From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
> To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
> List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
> Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
> got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
> license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
> [8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
> car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
> the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
> Chuck
> ------------------------------
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
> From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
> > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
> dreamed of producing.
> > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
> >
> > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
> > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
> >
> > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
> you are in business.
> >
> >
> > Jeff Cobb- I pad
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a xenon
> >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
> >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
> >>
> >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
> >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
> >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
> >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
> >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> Hi Jeff,
> >>
> >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
> >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
> >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
> that all
> >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
> years.
> >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
> >>
> >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
> >> manufactures.
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso [[10]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
> >> To: DeTomaso List
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
> >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
> >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
> >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
> >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
> >>
> >>
> ------------------------------
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
> From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
> To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> Dave,
> I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
> high
> beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
> high
> beams, you need more power!
> Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[11]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Dave Londry
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern
> function and temperature.
> > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light
> housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
> have
> much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
> producing.
> > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time,
> most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
> 210 w
> single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
> blast a
> massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as
> team with the LED.
> >
> > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass
> bulb containing sodium
> > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative
> to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
> >
> > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
> beam
> pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place
> of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
> locates
> the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
> business.
> >
> >
> > Jeff Cobb- I pad
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a
> xenon
> >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if
> the
> >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
> >>
> >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams,
> which
> >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso [[12]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
> >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
> >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
> >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
> >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> Hi Jeff,
> >>
> >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that
> the
> >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
> >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
> that all
> >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
> years.
> >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
> >>
> >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
> >> manufactures.
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
> >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
> >> To: DeTomaso List
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
> >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
> >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
> >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as
> I
> >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
> To: <davel at emspace.com>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> Message-ID: <4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
> > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs
> and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
> dreamed of producing.
> > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
> >
> > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
> > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
> >
> > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that
> locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
> in business.
> >
> >
> > Jeff Cobb- I pad
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a
> xenon
> >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
> >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
> >>
> >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams,
> which
> >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso [[15]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
> >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
> >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
> >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
> >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> Hi Jeff,
> >>
> >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
> >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
> >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
> all
> >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
> years.
> >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
> >>
> >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
> >> manufactures.
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso [[16]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
> >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
> >> To: DeTomaso List
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
> >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
> >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
> >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
> >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
> >>
> >>
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> -------------- next part --------------
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
> wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
> the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
> > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
> ever
> dreamed of producing.
> > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
> a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
> will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
> as
> as team with the LED.
> >
> > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
> a
> glass bulb containing sodium
> > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
> >
> > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
> flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
> light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
> the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
> you are in business.
> >
> >
> > Jeff Cobb- I pad
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
> putting
> a xenon
> >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
> as
> if the
> >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
> >>
> >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
> >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso
> [[18]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
> >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
> >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
> >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> Hi Jeff,
> >>
> >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
> me
> that the
> >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
> produce
> the
> >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
> that
> all
> >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
> for
> years.
> >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
> >>
> >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
> different
> >> manufactures.
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso
> [[19]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
> >> To: DeTomaso List
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
> company
> to
> >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
> units.
> They
> >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
> >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
> >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
> From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
> To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> Message-ID: <7B98FED4-77F1-43C6-9318-615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> That was high beam?..
> > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
> >
> > If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> > pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
> >
> > Tomas
> > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> > From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
> > Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> > I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
> wondering
> > if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
> the
> > retinas of the oncoming driver.
> > Jeff touched on this point.
> > I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> > Dave
> > On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> >> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> >> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> > pattern function and temperature.
> >> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> > light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> > bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
> ever
> > dreamed of producing.
> >> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> > time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
> w, a
> > H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
> will
> > shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> >> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> > as team with the LED.
> >>
> >> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> > glass bulb containing sodium
> >> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> > relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
> >>
> >> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> > surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
> light
> > beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> >> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> > place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> > that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
> then
> > you are in business.
> >>
> >>
> >> Jeff Cobb- I pad
> >>
> >> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> > a xenon
> >>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> > if the
> >>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
> >>>
> >>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> > beams, which
> >>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: DeTomaso
> [[21]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> > Behalf
> >>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
> >>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
> >>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
> >>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>>
> >>> Hi Jeff,
> >>>
> >>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> > that the
> >>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> > the
> >>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
> that
> > all
> >>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
> for
> > years.
> >>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
> >>>
> >>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
> >>> manufactures.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: DeTomaso
> [[22]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> > Behalf
> >>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
> >>> To: DeTomaso List
> >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>>
> >>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> > to
> >>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> > They
> >>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> > same.
> >>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> > little as I
> >>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
> >>>
> >>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
> Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
> Message-ID: <2BC46E79-666A-41AA-83BB-30981077FA40 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Chuck,
> The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro
> GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
> bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
> RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
> I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
> it....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
> <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> > Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
> got a
> > quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
> license
> > plate - did it used to be white?
> >
> >
> >
> > [25]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
> >
> >
> >
> > Plate GTS 5W ?
> >
> > White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> > It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
> Waltz".
> >
> > But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
> car.
> > If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
> to the entry.
> > Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
> work.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
> Message-ID: <7684BDF4-2A60-497B-8454-2E9524D83F6C at aol.com>
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> Guys,
> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
> Mike
> > Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
> >
> > From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
> >
> >
> > Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
> >
> > The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
> [27]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
> -------------- next part --------------
> Guys,
> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
> Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
> [1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
> References
> 1. [28]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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>References
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I'd sleeve it. Cheap enough to do these days versus finding another
block and getting it all machined.
Asa
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon
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4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
Message-ID: <E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Perfect!
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734911
>
6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
> D30
>
> Nice sentiment.A
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
many
> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>
> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
the
> people who made the components that went into it,
>
> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
trucks
> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
from
> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
dealership
> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
> know how many people it fed.
>
> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
When
> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>
> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
shoving
> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video
of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
Plate GTS 5W ?
White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
the entry.
Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
Chuck
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
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I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dave,
I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
high
beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
high
beams, you need more power!
Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern
function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light
housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
have
much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time,
most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
210 w
single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
blast a
massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as
team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass
bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative
to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam
pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place
of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates
the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if
the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that
the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as
I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
To: <davel at emspace.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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That was high beam?..
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
>
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Chuck,
The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro
GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
it....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
>
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
>
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
-------------- next part --------------
Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
References
1. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave,
Haledon
NJ 07508
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4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
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Perfect!
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
[4]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734
911
>
6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
> D30
>
> Nice sentiment.A
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
many
> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>
> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling
Green,
> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it
fed
the
> people who made the components that went into it,
>
> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for
the
> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
trucks
> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled
it
from
> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
dealership
> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really
don't
> know how many people it fed.
>
> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
When
> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give
them
> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>
> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something
of
> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
shoving
> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video
of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
-------------- next part --------------
May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found
this
video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
[7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
Plate GTS 5W ?
White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to
the entry.
Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
Chuck
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
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I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[10]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dave,
I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
high
beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into
you
high
beams, you need more power!
Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[11]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern
function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light
housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs
and
have
much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time,
most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
210 w
single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
blast a
massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as
team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass
bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative
to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam
pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place
of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates
the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if
the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[12]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that
the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[13]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as
I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
To: <davel at emspace.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you
are
in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[15]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[16]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by
cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp
design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output
lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro
designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1,
H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could
have
ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all
the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are
designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament
or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to
take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a
company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as
effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[18]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He
told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also
said
that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have
had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[19]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using
the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For
as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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That was high beam?..
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
wrote:
>
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam
light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by
cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output
lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro
designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1,
H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could
have
ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all
the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4
130/160
w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w
just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament
or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a
company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[21]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[22]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Chuck,
The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from
euro
GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted
to
RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he
owned
it....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters'
license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
> [25]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
>
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
>
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for
this
car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add
it
to the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[27]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 11:33:47 -0800
From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
To: detomasolist <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
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Hi Tom
I clipped the digest off your question.
Sounds like the rest of it is very nice.
I think I'd like to keep the heads and the the inlet&exhaust system.
I'm suspicious of iron heads on an aluminum block, unless you find a
good example of that **exact** combination.
I have nothing against a sleeve unless you plan to look for a bunch more
HP later.
Not that the sleeve matters, but you're heading toward the limit for a
Cleveland block.
Dave
On 1/05/17 11:03 AM, tom ware wrote:
> Question for the fellow owners?
>
> the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
> dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
>
> after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
> the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
> bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
>
> or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
>
> Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
> Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon
> NJ 07508
> [1]Ace595 at hotmail.com | [2]www.acesecurity.net
> __________________________________________________________________
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 20:06:15 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, tom ware
<ace595 at hotmail.com>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Message-ID: <1464347713.702075.1483646775342 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Seems like recommendations should be based on the planned use??
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>; "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
? A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my concern
? would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
? cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time before
? you are into a full rebuild.? It's good that you caught the #5 cylinder
? crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being driven.
? That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
? internals that may be reusable right now.
? As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
? have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding good
? core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down some
? serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
? Julian
? ? __________________________________________________________________
? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
? tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>
? Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:03:23 AM
? To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
? Question for the fellow owners?
? the project I purchased? came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
? dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
? after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
? the cooling system !? so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
? bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
? or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
? Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
? Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon
? NJ 07508
? Ace595 at hotmail.com<[1]mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com> |
? www.acesecurity.net<[2]http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=outlo
? ok&signature_id=6072763649359872>
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? ? ? ? (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
? ? ? 4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
? ? ? 5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
? ? ? 6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
? ? ? 7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
? ? ? 8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
? ? ? 9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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? Message: 1
? Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
? From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
? To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
? Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
? Message-ID: <E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org>
? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
? Perfect!
? > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
? >
? >
? [4]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734
? 911
? >
? 6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
? >? D30
? >
? >? Nice sentiment.A
? >
? >? Jeff
? >
? >? 6559
? >
? >? A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
? many
? >? people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
? >
? >? I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
? >? Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
? the
? >? people who made the components that went into it,
? >
? >? it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
? >? wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
? trucks
? >? that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
? from
? >? the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
? dealership
? >? and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
? >? know how many people it fed.
? >
? >? That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
? When
? >? you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
? >? dignity for their skills.A? When you give someone something for
? >? nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
? >
? >? Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
? >? value.A? Socialism is taking your money against your will and
? shoving
? >? something down your throat that you never asked for.
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? Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
? From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
? To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
? Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
? Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
? May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
? video
? of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
? It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
? Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
? got a
? quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
? license
? plate - did it used to be white?
? [6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
? -------------- next part --------------
? ? ? May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
? ? ? video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
? ? ? Combe.
? ? ? It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
? ? ? Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
? Only
? ? ? got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
? ? ? Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
? ? ? [7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
? ------------------------------
? Message: 3
? Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
? From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
? To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
? ? ? ? ? List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
? Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
? Content-Type: text/plain;? ? ? charset="us-ascii"
? It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
? Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
? got a
? quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
? license
? plate - did it used to be white?
? [8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
? Plate GTS 5W ?
? White?? Yes.? Back when new in GB...
? It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
? But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
? car.
? If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
? the entry.
? Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
? Chuck
? ------------------------------
? Message: 4
? Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
? From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
? To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
? I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
? if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
? retinas of the oncoming driver.
? Jeff touched on this point.
? I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
? Dave
? On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
? > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
? > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
? pattern function and temperature.
? > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
? light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
? bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
? dreamed of producing.
? > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
? time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
? H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
? shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
? > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
? as team with the LED.
? >
? > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
? glass bulb containing sodium
? > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
? relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
? >
? > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
? surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
? beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
? > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
? place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
? that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
? you are in business.
? >
? >
? > Jeff Cobb- I pad
? >
? > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
? wrote:
? >
? >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
? a xenon
? >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
? if the
? >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
? >>
? >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
? beams, which
? >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
? >> -----Original Message-----
? >> From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
? On Behalf
? >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
? >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
? >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
? >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >>
? >> Hi Jeff,
? >>
? >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
? that the
? >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
? the
? >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp).? He also said
? that all
? >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
? years.
? >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
? >>
? >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
? >> manufactures.
? >>
? >>
? >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
? >>
? >>
? >>
? >>
? >> -----Original Message-----
? >> From: DeTomaso [[10]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
? On Behalf
? >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
? >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
? >> To: DeTomaso List
? >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >>
? >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
? to
? >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie? units.
? They
? >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
? same.
? >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
? little as I
? >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
? >>
? >>
? ------------------------------
? Message: 5
? Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
? From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
? To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
? ? ? ? ? <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
? Content-Type: text/plain;? ? ? charset="us-ascii"
? Dave,
? I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
? high
? beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
? high
? beams, you need more power!
? Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
? -----Original Message-----
? From: DeTomaso [[11]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
? Behalf
? Of Dave Londry
? Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
? To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
? if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
? retinas of the oncoming driver.
? Jeff touched on this point.
? I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
? Dave
? On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
? > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
? > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
? pattern
? function and temperature.
? > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
? light
? housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
? have
? much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
? producing.
? > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
? time,
? most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
? 210 w
? single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
? blast a
? massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
? > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
? as
? team with the LED.
? >
? > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
? glass
? bulb containing sodium
? > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
? relative
? to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
? >
? > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
? surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
? beam
? pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
? > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
? place
? of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
? locates
? the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
? business.
? >
? >
? > Jeff Cobb- I pad
? >
? > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
? wrote:
? >
? >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
? a
? xenon
? >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
? if
? the
? >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
? >>
? >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
? beams,
? which
? >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
? >> -----Original Message-----
? >> From: DeTomaso [[12]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
? On
? Behalf
? >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
? >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
? >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
? >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >>
? >> Hi Jeff,
? >>
? >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
? that
? the
? >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
? the
? >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp).? He also said
? that all
? >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
? years.
? >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
? >>
? >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
? >> manufactures.
? >>
? >>
? >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
? >>
? >>
? >>
? >>
? >> -----Original Message-----
? >> From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
? On
? Behalf
? >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
? >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
? >> To: DeTomaso List
? >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >>
? >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
? to
? >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie? units.
? They
? >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
? same.
? >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
? little as
? I
? >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
? >>
? >>
? _______________________________________________
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? Message: 6
? Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
? From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
? To: <davel at emspace.com>
? Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? Message-ID: <4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
? If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
? pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
? Tomas
? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
? ? ? ? ? ? ? From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
? Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
? To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
? if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
? retinas of the oncoming driver.
? Jeff touched on this point.
? I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
? Dave
? On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
? > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
? > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
? pattern function and temperature.
? > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
? light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
? bulbs
? and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
? dreamed of producing.
? > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
? time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
? H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
? shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
? > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
? as team with the LED.
? >
? > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
? glass bulb containing sodium
? > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
? relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
? >
? > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
? surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
? beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
? > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
? place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
? that
? locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
? in business.
? >
? >
? > Jeff Cobb- I pad
? >
? > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
? wrote:
? >
? >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
? a
? xenon
? >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
? if the
? >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
? >>
? >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
? beams,
? which
? >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
? >> -----Original Message-----
? >> From: DeTomaso [[15]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
? On
? Behalf
? >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
? >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
? >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
? >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >>
? >> Hi Jeff,
? >>
? >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
? that the
? >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
? the
? >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
? all
? >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
? years.
? >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
? >>
? >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
? >> manufactures.
? >>
? >>
? >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
? >>
? >>
? >>
? >>
? >> -----Original Message-----
? >> From: DeTomaso [[16]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
? On
? Behalf
? >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
? >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
? >> To: DeTomaso List
? >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >>
? >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
? to
? >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
? They
? >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
? same.
? >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
? little as I
? >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
? >>
? >>
? _______________________________________________
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? ? ? If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
? ? ? pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
? ? ? Tomas
? ? ? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
? ? ? ? ? From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
? ? ? Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
? ? ? To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? ? ? I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
? wondering
? ? ? if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
? the
? ? ? retinas of the oncoming driver.
? ? ? Jeff touched on this point.
? ? ? I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
? ? ? Dave
? ? ? On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
? ? ? > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
? ? ? > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
? ? ? pattern function and temperature.
? ? ? > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
? ? ? light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
? ? ? bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
? ever
? ? ? dreamed of producing.
? ? ? > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
? ? ? time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
? a
? ? ? H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
? will
? ? ? shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
? ? ? > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
? as
? ? ? as team with the LED.
? ? ? >
? ? ? > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
? a
? ? ? glass bulb containing sodium
? ? ? > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
? ? ? relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
? ? ? >
? ? ? > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
? flat
? ? ? surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
? light
? ? ? beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
? ? ? > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
? the
? ? ? place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
? ? ? that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
? ? ? you are in business.
? ? ? >
? ? ? >
? ? ? > Jeff Cobb- I pad
? ? ? >
? ? ? > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
? <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
? ? ? wrote:
? ? ? >
? ? ? >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
? putting
? ? ? a xenon
? ? ? >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
? as
? ? ? if the
? ? ? >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
? ? ? beams, which
? ? ? >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
? ? ? >> -----Original Message-----
? ? ? >> From: DeTomaso
? [[18]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
? ? ? Behalf
? ? ? >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
? ? ? >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
? ? ? >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
? ? ? >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? ? ? >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >> Hi Jeff,
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
? me
? ? ? that the
? ? ? >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
? produce
? ? ? the
? ? ? >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
? that
? ? ? all
? ? ? >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
? for
? ? ? years.
? ? ? >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
? different
? ? ? >> manufactures.
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >> -----Original Message-----
? ? ? >> From: DeTomaso
? [[19]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
? ? ? Behalf
? ? ? >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
? ? ? >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
? ? ? >> To: DeTomaso List
? ? ? >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
? company
? ? ? to
? ? ? >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
? units.
? ? ? They
? ? ? >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
? ? ? same.
? ? ? >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
? ? ? little as I
? ? ? >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >>
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? Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
? From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
? To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
? Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? Message-ID: <7B98FED4-77F1-43C6-9318-615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org>
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? That was high beam?..
? > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
? >
? >? If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
? >? pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
? >
? >? Tomas
? >? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
? >? ? ? From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
? >? Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
? >? To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? >? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >? I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
? wondering
? >? if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
? the
? >? retinas of the oncoming driver.
? >? Jeff touched on this point.
? >? I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
? >? Dave
? >? On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
? >> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
? >> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
? >? pattern function and temperature.
? >> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
? >? light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
? >? bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
? ever
? >? dreamed of producing.
? >> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
? >? time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
? w, a
? >? H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
? will
? >? shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
? >> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
? >? as team with the LED.
? >>
? >> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
? >? glass bulb containing sodium
? >> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
? >? relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
? >>
? >> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
? >? surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
? light
? >? beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
? >> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
? >? place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
? >? that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
? then
? >? you are in business.
? >>
? >>
? >> Jeff Cobb- I pad
? >>
? >> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
? <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
? >? wrote:
? >>
? >>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
? >? a xenon
? >>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
? >? if the
? >>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
? >>>
? >>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
? >? beams, which
? >>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
? >>> -----Original Message-----
? >>> From: DeTomaso
? [[21]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
? >? Behalf
? >>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
? >>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
? >>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
? >>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >>>
? >>> Hi Jeff,
? >>>
? >>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
? >? that the
? >>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
? >? the
? >>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
? that
? >? all
? >>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
? for
? >? years.
? >>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
? >>>
? >>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
? >>> manufactures.
? >>>
? >>>
? >>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
? >>>
? >>>
? >>>
? >>>
? >>> -----Original Message-----
? >>> From: DeTomaso
? [[22]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
? >? Behalf
? >>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
? >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
? >>> To: DeTomaso List
? >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >>>
? >>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
? >? to
? >>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
? >? They
? >>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
? >? same.
? >>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
? >? little as I
? >>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
? >>>
? >>>
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? Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
? From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
? To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
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? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
? Message-ID: <2BC46E79-666A-41AA-83BB-30981077FA40 at aol.com>
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? Chuck,
? The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro
? GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
? bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
? RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
? I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
? it....
? Mike
? Sent from my iPhone
? On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
? <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
? > It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
? > Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
? got a
? > quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
? license
? > plate - did it used to be white?
? >
? >
? >
? > [25]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
? >
? >
? >
? > Plate GTS 5W ?
? >
? > White?? Yes.? Back when new in GB...
? > It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
? Waltz".
? >
? > But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
? car.
? > If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
? to the entry.
? > Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
? work.
? >
? > Chuck
? >
? >
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? Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
? From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
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? Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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? Guys,
? thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
? Mike
? > Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
? >
? > From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
? >
? >
? > Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
? >
? > The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
? [27]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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? ? ? thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
? ? ? Mike
? ? ? Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
? ? ? From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
? ? ? Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
? ? ? The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
? ? ? [1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Seems like recommendations should be based on the planned use?
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From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>; "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my
concern
would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time
before
you are into a full rebuild. It's good that you caught the #5
cylinder
crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being
driven.
That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
internals that may be reusable right now.
As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding
good
core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down
some
serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
Julian
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Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:03:23 AM
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Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave,
Haledon
NJ 07508
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1. Re: NPC - and just a bit of car stuff (MSM Contractors)
2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
(The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[15]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Jeff Detrich <[16]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: [17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
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Perfect!
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <[19]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
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>
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> D30
>
> Nice sentiment.A
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
many
> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>
> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling
Green,
> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it
fed
the
> people who made the components that went into it,
>
> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
trucks
> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
from
> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
dealership
> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really
don't
> know how many people it fed.
>
> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
When
> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give
them
> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>
> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something
of
> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
shoving
> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[23]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[24]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video
of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[6][25]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
-------------- next part --------------
May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found
this
video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
[7][26]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[27]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles McCall'" <[28]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso
Email
List'" <[29]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
Message-ID: <[30]74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[8][31]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
Plate GTS 5W ?
White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to
the entry.
Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
Chuck
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
From: Dave Londry <[32]davel at emspace.com>
To: [33]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <[34]566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[35]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[9]mailto:[36]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [37]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[10]mailto:[38]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[39]Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Dave Londry'" <[40]davel at emspace.com>,
<[41]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <[42]4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dave,
I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
high
beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
high
beams, you need more power!
Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso
[[11]mailto:[43]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: [44]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern
function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light
housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs
and
have
much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time,
most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
210 w
single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
blast a
massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as
team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass
bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative
to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam
pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place
of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates
the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[45]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if
the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[12]mailto:[46]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [47]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that
the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[13]mailto:[48]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as
I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[51]guson at home.se>
To: <[52]davel at emspace.com>
Cc: [53]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <[54]4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[55]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [56]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you
are
in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[57]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[15]mailto:[58]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [59]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[16]mailto:[60]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[63]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [64]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by
cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp
design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output
lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro
designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1,
H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could
have
ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all
the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are
designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament
or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to
take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a
company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[65]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as
effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[18]mailto:[66]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [67]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He
told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also
said
that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have
had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[19]mailto:[68]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using
the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For
as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[71]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <[72]guson at home.se>
Cc: [73]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
That was high beam?..
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[75]guson at home.se>
wrote:
>
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [[76]davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: [77]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a
company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[78]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[21]mailto:[79]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: [80]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[22]mailto:[81]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[86]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[87]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <[88]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Chuck,
The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from
euro
GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he
owned
it....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<[90]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
>
[25][91]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
>
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
>
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for
this
car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
>
> Chuck
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[94]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[27][97]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1][98]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 14:15:52 -0600
From: Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1 at me.com>
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Thanks Mike,
Jeff Cobb
On Jan 5, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Guys,
>
> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
>
> Mike
>
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
> [1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>
> References
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 12:18:52 -0800
From: audionut at hushmail.com
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Sweet. Thanks Mike! The Mangusta. So absolutely deadly. All those
crazy James Bond toggle switches on the dash are just too cool. What
the hell are they for? Who cares! Gotta love the 8-track player
too. Hopefully the guy continues to resist the temptation to
modernize that.
Sent using Hushmail
On January 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso" wrote:Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
-------------- next part --------------
Sweet. Thanks Mike!
The Mangusta. So absolutely deadly.
All those crazy James Bond toggle switches on the dash are just too
cool. What the hell are they for? Who cares!
Gotta love the 8-track player too. Hopefully the guy continues to
resist the temptation to modernize that.
Sent using Hushmail
On January 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Joaberga|
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 10:26:52 -1000
From: "Scott Mead Photography" <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
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Aloha All,
I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the hopes
of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to 408-427,
supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here before.
However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview mirror.
Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower setup on
their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine screen
cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make that much
power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear decklid
for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
Mahalos in advance,
Scott
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Aloha All,
I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the
hopes of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking
to 408-427, supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been
covered here before. However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake
in my rearview mirror. Years ago, my father and grandfather had
Wilkinson's twin blower setup on their Panteras, and I really liked how
it fit beneath the L engine screen cover - they were the ultimate
sleepers. Is it possible to make that much power, yet keep everything
"stock" outside, but you open the rear decklid for the "HOLY S#!^"
reaction?
Mahalos in advance,
Scott
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 20:40:30 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
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I thought Tom said he planned to use it in his Pantera project!
Per Tom this was a 'fully rebuilt' engine that has a cylinder wall cracked after dyno runs, I don't think the recommendation would change no matter how he intends to drive his Pantera, you have to question the integrity of the other 7 cylinders.
Julian
________________________________
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:06:15 PM
To: Julian Kift; tom ware; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Seems like recommendations should be based on the planned use?
________________________________
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>; "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my concern
would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time before
you are into a full rebuild. It's good that you caught the #5 cylinder
crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being driven.
That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
internals that may be reusable right now.
As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding good
core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down some
serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of
tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com<mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:03:23 AM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon
NJ 07508
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I thought Tom said he planned to use it in his Pantera project!
Per Tom this was a 'fully rebuilt' engine that has a cylinder wall
cracked after dyno runs, I don't think the recommendation would change
no matter how he intends to drive his Pantera, you have to question the
integrity of the other 7 cylinders.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:06:15 PM
To: Julian Kift; tom ware; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Seems like recommendations should be based on the planned use?
__________________________________________________________________
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>; "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my
concern
would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time
before
you are into a full rebuild. It's good that you caught the #5
cylinder
crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being
driven.
That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
internals that may be reusable right now.
As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding
good
core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down
some
serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
tom ware <[2]ace595 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:03:23 AM
To: [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave,
Haledon
NJ 07508
References
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2. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com
3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 20:46:17 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>,
"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
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You can make 500HP with a naturally aspirated 351C engine that looks fairly stock, now that is the ultimate sleeper. It's just a matter of selecting the right combination of parts, and you don't even really need to stroke it, although I have a personal preponderance toward a 393CI stroker.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:26:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
Aloha All,
I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the hopes
of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to 408-427,
supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here before.
However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview mirror.
Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower setup on
their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine screen
cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make that much
power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear decklid
for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
Mahalos in advance,
Scott
______________________
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You can make 500HP with a naturally aspirated 351C engine that looks
fairly stock, now that is the ultimate sleeper. It's just a matter of
selecting the right combination of parts, and you don't even really
need to stroke it, although I have a personal preponderance toward a
393CI stroker.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:26:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
Aloha All,
I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the
hopes
of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to
408-427,
supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here
before.
However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview
mirror.
Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower setup
on
their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine
screen
cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make that
much
power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear
decklid
for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
Mahalos in advance,
Scott
______________________
Scott Mead Photography
415 Dairy Road, Ste. E-242
Kahului, HI 96732
T: 808-573-6875
F: 808-573-6876
e: <[1]mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 12:50:26 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: DeTomaso List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Mike,
Of the 7 DeTomaso cars in South Africa (in the registry), this would be 8MA520.
Nice video... had to ignore the 'visor' - grin.
Chuck
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg.
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 15:58:40 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Scott Mead Photography'" <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>,
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
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<<they were the ultimate sleepers>>
A Pantera looks fast sitting on blocks, can it ever be a sleeper?
Larry (nap time) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Mead Photography
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 3:27 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
Aloha All,
I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the hopes
of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to 408-427,
supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here before.
However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview mirror.
Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower setup on
their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine screen
cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make that much
power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear decklid
for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
Mahalos in advance,
Scott
______________________
Scott Mead Photography
415 Dairy Road, Ste. E-242
Kahului, HI 96732
T: 808-573-6875
F: 808-573-6876
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 13:00:27 -0800
From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
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Lol, a Pantera sleeper! Ya, no one will suspect you at all! ;-)
That said, I've got 550+ at the flywheel with a 392. Happy to send specs.
Brent
> On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> You can make 500HP with a naturally aspirated 351C engine that looks
> fairly stock, now that is the ultimate sleeper. It's just a matter of
> selecting the right combination of parts, and you don't even really
> need to stroke it, although I have a personal preponderance toward a
> 393CI stroker.
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:26:52 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
>
> Aloha All,
>
> I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the
> hopes
> of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to
> 408-427,
> supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here
> before.
> However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview
> mirror.
> Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower setup
> on
> their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine
> screen
> cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make that
> much
> power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear
> decklid
> for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
>
> Mahalos in advance,
>
> Scott
>
> ______________________
> Scott Mead Photography
> 415 Dairy Road, Ste. E-242
> Kahului, HI 96732
> T: 808-573-6875
> F: 808-573-6876
> e: <[1]mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
> scott at scottmeadphotography.com
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 13:27:20 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
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Scott,
Brent's motor has bling that can be seen from outer space and his intake setup is so tall you almost have to cut a hole in the roof to remove the air cleaner nut! :)
I have a 539 HP, 509 ft/lb 'sleeper' engine thanks to Dan Jones/Dave McLain with a conventional round air cleaner that neatly fits beneath the stock engine screen. There are several parts combos that will take you there without having to resort to any trickery. Intakes, heads and cams are much better now than they were 20 years ago.
Remember, too, you can't drive a dyno. 540 HP that is accessible whenever you want and is flexible and controllable is infinitely better than 600 hp that comes on like a light switch, and is ill-behaved and cantankerous to live with...
Mike
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 5, 2017, at 13:00, Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Lol, a Pantera sleeper! Ya, no one will suspect you at all! ;-)
>
> That said, I've got 550+ at the flywheel with a 392. Happy to send specs.
>
> Brent
>
>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You can make 500HP with a naturally aspirated 351C engine that looks
>> fairly stock, now that is the ultimate sleeper. It's just a matter of
>> selecting the right combination of parts, and you don't even really
>> need to stroke it, although I have a personal preponderance toward a
>> 393CI stroker.
>>
>> Julian
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>> Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:26:52 PM
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
>>
>> Aloha All,
>>
>> I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the
>> hopes
>> of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to
>> 408-427,
>> supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here
>> before.
>> However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview
>> mirror.
>> Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower setup
>> on
>> their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine
>> screen
>> cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make that
>> much
>> power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear
>> decklid
>> for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
>>
>> Mahalos in advance,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> ______________________
>> Scott Mead Photography
>> 415 Dairy Road, Ste. E-242
>> Kahului, HI 96732
>> T: 808-573-6875
>> F: 808-573-6876
>> e: <[1]mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>> scott at scottmeadphotography.com
>> w: <[2]http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/>
>> [3]http://www.scottmeadphotography.com
>>
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>> otherwise authorized personnel. The information contained herein and
>> attached is confidential and the property of Scott Mead Photography,
>> Inc. If
>> you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that viewing this
>> message and any attachments, as well as copying, forwarding, printing
>> and
>> disseminating any information related to this email is prohibited, and
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>> sender
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>> are
>> made in relation to the safety and content of this email and its
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 21:40:08 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, tom ware
<ace595 at hotmail.com>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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I was thinking the difference between an occasional 0 to 100 bash (drag race stuff)?versus a few laps at a track day.?
Ken
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Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:40 PM
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<!--#yiv4173618488 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}-->I thought?Tom said he planned to use it in his Pantera project!
Per Tom this was a 'fully rebuilt' engine that has a cylinder wall cracked after dyno runs, I don't think the recommendation would change no matter how he intends to drive his Pantera, you have to question the integrity of the other 7 cylinders.
Julian
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Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:06:15 PM
To: Julian Kift; tom ware; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5?Seems like recommendations should be based on the planned use??
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>; "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
? A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my concern
? would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
? cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time before
? you are into a full rebuild.? It's good that you caught the #5 cylinder
? crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being driven.
? That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
? internals that may be reusable right now.
? As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
? have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding good
? core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down some
? serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
? Julian
? ? __________________________________________________________________
? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
? tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>
? Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:03:23 AM
? To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
? Question for the fellow owners?
? the project I purchased? came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
? dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
? after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
? the cooling system !? so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
? bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
? or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
? Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
? Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon
? NJ 07508
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I was thinking the difference between an occasional 0 to 100 bash (drag
race stuff) versus a few laps at a track day.
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>; "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
I thought Tom said he planned to use it in his Pantera project!
Per Tom this was a 'fully rebuilt' engine that has a cylinder wall
cracked after dyno runs, I don't think the recommendation would change
no matter how he intends to drive his Pantera, you have to question the
integrity of the other 7 cylinders.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:06:15 PM
To: Julian Kift; tom ware; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Seems like recommendations should be based on the planned use?
__________________________________________________________________
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>; "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my
concern
would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time
before
you are into a full rebuild. It's good that you caught the #5
cylinder
crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being
driven.
That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
internals that may be reusable right now.
As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding
good
core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down
some
serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
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behalf of
tom ware <[2]ace595 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:03:23 AM
To: [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave,
Haledon
NJ 07508
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 15:46:33 -0600
From: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
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> I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine screen cover
We've done it several ways, typically on 393C or 408C strokers though it
can be done on stock displacement engines if you want to spin them to a
higher RPM (gives up some manners for a street car). One was using the
over-the-counter Holley carb pattern aluminum Ford dual plane intake on a
408C with closed chamber iron 4V heads with hydraulic roller camshaft.
Note the Ford intake had four good runners and 4 bad runners so spent some
time on the flow bench bringing the bad runners up to match the good.
Another way is with Scott Cook's aluminum dual plane which is a dead ringer
for a Ford Cleveland dual plane, right down to the Ford logo and casting
codes. It works with Scott's own heads, Ford iron 4V heads, CHI 4V or Ford
Motorsport A3 heads. On my 403C, we made 569 HP and 512 ft-lbs through the
mufflers with Scott's dual plane and a pair of unported A3 heads with a
street-friendly hydraulic roller cam. It can also be done with the TFS-2V
heads and a Holley Street Dominator 2V (OEM for the smog legal Amerisport
Panteras). The level carb pad version of the Blue Thunder will also work
with some minor porting. The 408C we did for Mike Drew's made over 525+ HP
with a Blue Thunder and CHI 4V heads. The Blue Thunder intake manifold is
just about the limit that will fit under an L engine screen with a drop
base air cleaner. Mike McDougal's 393C with CHI 4V heads and ported flat
pad Blue Thunder (doesn't fit under his pre-L engine screen) put down well
over 400 RWHP through somewhat restrictive mufflers. At these sort of
horsepower levels, the mufflers are very important. You'll lose 50+ HP
through stock ANSA mufflers.
For reference, here are some A/B measurements I made. The measurements
represent the drop from a straight edge laid across the carb pad to the
closest point where the end rail bends inward (each end). Measurements are
in inches.
Ford aluminum 4V........................3 1/4.....4 3/8
Offenhauser 360 4V......................3 1/2.....4 1/2
Edelbrock F-351 & Performer 2V/4V.......3 1/2.....4 3/8
Weiand Xcelerator 2V....................4 3/16....5 1/8
Holley Strip Dominator..................4 5/16....5 3/8
Blue Thunder (canted pad version).......4 7/16....5 3/8
Scott Cook (canted pad version).........3 3/4.....5
Edelbrock Performer RPM Air Gap 2V......4 1/2.....5 5/8
Weiand tunnel Ram.......................9 1/16....9 3/8
A331 (raised floor Edelbrock Torker)....4 3/8.....5 5/16
A351....................................6 3/4.....6 3/4
Dan Jones
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> I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine screen cover
We've done it several ways, typically on 393C or 408C strokers though
it can be done on stock displacement engines if you want to spin them
to a higher RPM (gives up some manners for a street car).A One was
using the over-the-counter Holley carb pattern aluminum Ford dual plane
intake on a 408C with closed chamber iron 4V heads with hydraulic
roller camshaft.A Note the Ford intake had four good runners and 4 bad
runners so spent some time on the flow bench bringing the bad runners
up to match the good.A Another way is with Scott Cook's aluminum dual
plane which is a dead ringer for a Ford Cleveland dual plane, right
down to the Ford logo and casting codes.A It works with Scott's own
heads, Ford iron 4V heads, CHI 4V or Ford Motorsport A3 heads.A On my
403C, we made 569 HP and 512 ft-lbs through the mufflers with Scott's
dual plane and a pair of unported A3 heads with a street-friendly
hydraulic roller cam.A It can also be done with the TFS-2V heads and a
Holley Street Dominator 2V (OEM for the smog legal Amerisport
Panteras).A The level carb pad version of the Blue Thunder will also
work with some minor porting.A The 408C we did for Mike Drew's made
over 525+ HP with a Blue Thunder and CHI 4V heads.A The Blue Thunder
intake manifold is just about the limit that will fit under an L engine
screen with a drop base air cleaner.A Mike McDougal's 393C with CHI 4V
heads and ported flat pad Blue Thunder (doesn't fit under his pre-L
engine screen) put down well over 400 RWHP through somewhat restrictive
mufflers.A At these sort of horsepower levels, the mufflers are very
important.A You'll lose 50+ HP through stock ANSA mufflers.A
For reference, here are some A/B measurements I made.A The
measurements represent the drop from a straight edge laid across the
carb pad to the closest point where the end rail bends inward (each
end).A Measurements are in inches.
Ford aluminum 4V........................3 1/4.....4 3/8
Offenhauser 360 4V......................3 1/2.....4 1/2
Edelbrock F-351 & Performer 2V/4V.......3 1/2.....4 3/8
Weiand Xcelerator 2V....................4 3/16....5 1/8
Holley Strip Dominator..................4 5/16....5 3/8
Blue Thunder (canted pad version).......4 7/16....5 3/8
Scott Cook (canted pad version).........3 3/4.....5
Edelbrock Performer RPM Air Gap 2V......4 1/2.....5 5/8
Weiand tunnel Ram.......................9 1/16....9 3/8
A331 (raised floor Edelbrock Torker)....4 3/8.....5 5/16
A351....................................6 3/4.....6 3/4
Dan Jones
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 21:53:44 +0000 (UTC)
From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
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Jealousy is an ugly emotion...
On Thursday, January 5, 2017 1:27 PM, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
Scott,
Brent's motor has bling that can be seen from outer space and his intake setup is so tall you almost have to cut a hole in the roof to remove the air cleaner nut! :)
I have a 539 HP, 509 ft/lb 'sleeper' engine thanks to Dan Jones/Dave McLain with a conventional round air cleaner that neatly fits beneath the stock engine screen. There are several parts combos that will take you there without having to resort to any trickery. Intakes, heads and cams are much better now than they were 20 years ago.
Remember, too, you can't drive a dyno. 540 HP that is accessible whenever you want and is flexible and controllable is infinitely better than 600 hp that comes on like a light switch, and is ill-behaved and cantankerous to live with...
Mike
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 5, 2017, at 13:00, Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Lol, a Pantera sleeper! Ya, no one will suspect you at all! ;-)
>
> That said, I've got 550+ at the flywheel with a 392. Happy to send specs.
>
> Brent
>
>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>? You can make 500HP with a naturally aspirated 351C engine that looks
>>? fairly stock, now that is the ultimate sleeper. It's just a matter of
>>? selecting the right combination of parts, and you don't even really
>>? need to stroke it, although I have a personal preponderance toward a
>>? 393CI stroker.
>>
>>? Julian
>>? ? __________________________________________________________________
>>
>>? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>>? Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>>? Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:26:52 PM
>>? To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>? Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
>>
>>? Aloha All,
>>
>>? I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the
>>? hopes
>>? of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to
>>? 408-427,
>>? supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here
>>? before.
>>? However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview
>>? mirror.
>>? Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower setup
>>? on
>>? their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine
>>? screen
>>? cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make that
>>? much
>>? power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear
>>? decklid
>>? for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
>>
>>? Mahalos in advance,
>>
>>? Scott
>>
>>? ______________________
>>? Scott Mead Photography
>>? 415 Dairy Road, Ste. E-242
>>? Kahului, HI 96732
>>? T: 808-573-6875
>>? F: 808-573-6876
>>? e:? <[1]mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
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Jealousy is an ugly emotion...
On Thursday, January 5, 2017 1:27 PM, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
wrote:
Scott,
Brent's motor has bling that can be seen from outer space and his
intake setup is so tall you almost have to cut a hole in the roof to
remove the air cleaner nut! :)
I have a 539 HP, 509 ft/lb 'sleeper' engine thanks to Dan Jones/Dave
McLain with a conventional round air cleaner that neatly fits beneath
the stock engine screen. There are several parts combos that will take
you there without having to resort to any trickery. Intakes, heads and
cams are much better now than they were 20 years ago.
Remember, too, you can't drive a dyno. 540 HP that is accessible
whenever you want and is flexible and controllable is infinitely better
than 600 hp that comes on like a light switch, and is ill-behaved and
cantankerous to live with...
Mike
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 5, 2017, at 13:00, Brent Stewart via DeTomaso
<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Lol, a Pantera sleeper! Ya, no one will suspect you at all! ;-)
>
> That said, I've got 550+ at the flywheel with a 392. Happy to send
specs.
>
> Brent
>
>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Julian Kift
<[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You can make 500HP with a naturally aspirated 351C engine that
looks
>> fairly stock, now that is the ultimate sleeper. It's just a matter
of
>> selecting the right combination of parts, and you don't even really
>> need to stroke it, although I have a personal preponderance toward
a
>> 393CI stroker.
>>
>> Julian
>>
__________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
>> Scott Mead Photography <[4]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:26:52 PM
>> To: [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
>>
>> Aloha All,
>>
>> I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with
the
>> hopes
>> of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to
>> 408-427,
>> supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here
>> before.
>> However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview
>> mirror.
>> Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower
setup
>> on
>> their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine
>> screen
>> cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make
that
>> much
>> power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear
>> decklid
>> for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
>>
>> Mahalos in advance,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> ______________________
>> Scott Mead Photography
>> 415 Dairy Road, Ste. E-242
>> Kahului, HI 96732
>> T: 808-573-6875
>> F: 808-573-6876
>> e: <[1]mailto:[6]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>> [7]scott at scottmeadphotography.com
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 13:05:14 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
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Tom,
Conventional wisdom has it that .030 is the most you can safely go on a 351C and even that is pushing it. Some makers sell .060 pistons, which is a joke. Sonic-testing the block is a must before it gets anywhere near a boring bar, lest you wind up with results like yours.
In my case, the block I got would clean up at .030 over but sonic testing revealed one cylinder had especially thin walls, so that hole was sleeved prior to the engine being built.
In your case, your existing block might be just as good/bad as the next one. Only sonic testing will reveal the truth. Once that is done, you can make an educated decision as to whether the block should be salvaged and that one hole sleeved, or if it should be replaced.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 5, 2017, at 11:03 AM, tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Question for the fellow owners?
>
> the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
> dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
>
> after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
> the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
> bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
>
> or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
>
> Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
> Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon
> NJ 07508
> [1]Ace595 at hotmail.com | [2]www.acesecurity.net
> __________________________________________________________________
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> 1. Re: NPC - and just a bit of car stuff (MSM Contractors)
> 2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
> 3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
> (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
> 4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
> 5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
> 6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> 7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
> 8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
> 9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
> From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
> To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
> Message-ID: <E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Perfect!
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
> [4]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734
> 911
>>
> 6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
>> D30
>>
>> Nice sentiment.A
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> 6559
>>
>> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
> many
>> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>>
>> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
>> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
> the
>> people who made the components that went into it,
>>
>> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
>> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
> trucks
>> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
> from
>> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
> dealership
>> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
>> know how many people it fed.
>>
>> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
> When
>> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
>> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
>> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>>
>> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
>> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
> shoving
>> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
> From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
> Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
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> May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
> video
> of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
> got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
> license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
> [6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
> video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
> Combe.
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
> Only
> got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
> Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
> [7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
> ------------------------------
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
> From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
> To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
> List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
> Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
> got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
> license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
> [8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
> car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
> the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
> Chuck
> ------------------------------
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
> From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
> that all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [[10]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
> ------------------------------
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
> From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
> To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> Dave,
> I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
> high
> beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
> high
> beams, you need more power!
> Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[11]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Dave Londry
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern
> function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light
> housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
> have
> much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
> producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time,
> most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
> 210 w
> single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
> blast a
> massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as
> team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass
> bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative
> to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
> beam
> pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place
> of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
> locates
> the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
> business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a
> xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if
> the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams,
> which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [[12]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that
> the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
> that all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as
> I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
> To: <davel at emspace.com>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> Message-ID: <4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs
> and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that
> locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
> in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a
> xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams,
> which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [[15]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [[16]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
> _______________________________________________
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> -------------- next part --------------
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
> wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
> the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
> ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
> a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
> will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
> as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
> a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
> flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
> light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
> the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
> putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
> as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
> [[18]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
> me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
> produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
> that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
> for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
> different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
> [[19]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
> company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
> units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
> From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
> To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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> That was high beam?..
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
>>
>> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>>
>> Tomas
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
>> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
> wondering
>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
> the
>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>> Jeff touched on this point.
>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>> Dave
>>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>> pattern function and temperature.
>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
> ever
>> dreamed of producing.
>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
> w, a
>> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
> will
>> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>> as team with the LED.
>>>
>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>> glass bulb containing sodium
>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>
>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
> light
>> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
> then
>> you are in business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
>> a xenon
>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>> if the
>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>
>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>> beams, which
>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
> [[21]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>> that the
>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>> the
>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
> that
>> all
>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
> for
>> years.
>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>>> manufactures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
> [[22]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>> to
>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>> They
>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>> same.
>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>> little as I
>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
> Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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> Chuck,
> The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro
> GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
> bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
> RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
> I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
> it....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
> <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
> got a
>> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
> license
>> plate - did it used to be white?
>>
>>
>>
>> [25]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>>
>>
>>
>> Plate GTS 5W ?
>>
>> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
>> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
> Waltz".
>>
>> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
> car.
>> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
> to the entry.
>> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
> work.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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> Guys,
> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
> Mike
>> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>>
>> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>>
>>
>> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>>
>> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
> [27]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
> -------------- next part --------------
> Guys,
> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
> Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
> [1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 00:30:27 +0000
From: tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
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Thank you everyone for your input and feed back
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 5, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> Conventional wisdom has it that .030 is the most you can safely go on a 351C and even that is pushing it. Some makers sell .060 pistons, which is a joke. Sonic-testing the block is a must before it gets anywhere near a boring bar, lest you wind up with results like yours.
>
> In my case, the block I got would clean up at .030 over but sonic testing revealed one cylinder had especially thin walls, so that hole was sleeved prior to the engine being built.
>
> In your case, your existing block might be just as good/bad as the next one. Only sonic testing will reveal the truth. Once that is done, you can make an educated decision as to whether the block should be salvaged and that one hole sleeved, or if it should be replaced.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 11:03 AM, tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Question for the fellow owners?
>>
>> the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
>> dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
>>
>> after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
>> the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
>> bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
>>
>> or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
>>
>> Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
>> Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon
>> NJ 07508
>> [1]Ace595 at hotmail.com | [2]www.acesecurity.net
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>> 2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
>> 3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>> (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
>> 4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
>> 5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
>> 6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
>> 7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
>> 8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
>> 9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
>> From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
>> To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
>> Message-ID: <E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org>
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>> Perfect!
>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>> [4]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734
>> 911
>>>
>> 6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
>>> D30
>>>
>>> Nice sentiment.A
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> 6559
>>>
>>> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
>> many
>>> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>>>
>>> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
>>> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
>> the
>>> people who made the components that went into it,
>>>
>>> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
>>> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
>> trucks
>>> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
>> from
>>> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
>> dealership
>>> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
>>> know how many people it fed.
>>>
>>> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
>> When
>>> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
>>> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
>>> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>>>
>>> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
>>> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
>> shoving
>>> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
>> From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>> Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
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>> May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
>> video
>> of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
>> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
>> got a
>> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
>> license
>> plate - did it used to be white?
>>
>> [6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
>> video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
>> Combe.
>> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
>> Only
>> got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
>> Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
>> [7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
>> From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
>> List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>> Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
>> got a
>> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
>> license
>> plate - did it used to be white?
>>
>> [8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>>
>> Plate GTS 5W ?
>> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
>> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
>> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
>> car.
>> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
>> the entry.
>> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
>> Chuck
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
>> From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>> Jeff touched on this point.
>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>> Dave
>>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>> pattern function and temperature.
>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
>> dreamed of producing.
>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
>> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
>> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>> as team with the LED.
>>>
>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>> glass bulb containing sodium
>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>
>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
>> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
>> you are in business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
>> a xenon
>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>> if the
>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>
>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>> beams, which
>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On Behalf
>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>> that the
>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>> the
>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
>> that all
>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
>> years.
>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>>> manufactures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [[10]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On Behalf
>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>> to
>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>> They
>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>> same.
>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>> little as I
>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
>> From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
>> To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> Dave,
>> I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
>> high
>> beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
>> high
>> beams, you need more power!
>> Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[11]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Dave Londry
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>> Jeff touched on this point.
>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>> Dave
>>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>> pattern
>> function and temperature.
>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>> light
>> housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
>> have
>> much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
>> producing.
>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>> time,
>> most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
>> 210 w
>> single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
>> blast a
>> massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>> as
>> team with the LED.
>>>
>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>> glass
>> bulb containing sodium
>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>> relative
>> to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>
>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
>> beam
>> pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>> place
>> of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
>> locates
>> the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
>> business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
>> a
>> xenon
>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>> if
>> the
>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>
>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>> beams,
>> which
>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [[12]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>> that
>> the
>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>> the
>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
>> that all
>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
>> years.
>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>>> manufactures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>> to
>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>> They
>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>> same.
>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>> little as
>> I
>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
>> To: <davel at emspace.com>
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> Message-ID: <4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>> Tomas
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
>> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>> Jeff touched on this point.
>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>> Dave
>>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>> pattern function and temperature.
>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>> bulbs
>> and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
>> dreamed of producing.
>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
>> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
>> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>> as team with the LED.
>>>
>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>> glass bulb containing sodium
>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>
>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
>> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>> that
>> locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
>> in business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
>> a
>> xenon
>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>> if the
>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>
>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>> beams,
>> which
>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [[15]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>> that the
>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>> the
>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
>> all
>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
>> years.
>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>>> manufactures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [[16]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>> to
>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>> They
>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>> same.
>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>> little as I
>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
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>> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>> Tomas
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
>> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
>> wondering
>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
>> the
>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>> Jeff touched on this point.
>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>> Dave
>>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>> pattern function and temperature.
>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
>> ever
>> dreamed of producing.
>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
>> a
>> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
>> will
>> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
>> as
>> as team with the LED.
>>>
>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
>> a
>> glass bulb containing sodium
>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>
>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
>> flat
>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
>> light
>> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
>> the
>> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
>> you are in business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
>> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
>> putting
>> a xenon
>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
>> as
>> if the
>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>
>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>> beams, which
>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
>> [[18]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
>> me
>> that the
>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
>> produce
>> the
>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
>> that
>> all
>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
>> for
>> years.
>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
>> different
>>>> manufactures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
>> [[19]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
>> company
>> to
>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
>> units.
>> They
>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>> same.
>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>> little as I
>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
>> From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
>> To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> Message-ID: <7B98FED4-77F1-43C6-9318-615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> That was high beam?..
>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
>>>
>>> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>>> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
>>> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
>> wondering
>>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
>> the
>>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>>> Jeff touched on this point.
>>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>>> Dave
>>>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>>> pattern function and temperature.
>>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>>> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>>> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
>> ever
>>> dreamed of producing.
>>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>>> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
>> w, a
>>> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
>> will
>>> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>>> as team with the LED.
>>>>
>>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>>> glass bulb containing sodium
>>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>>> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>>
>>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
>> light
>>> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>>> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>>> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
>> then
>>> you are in business.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
>> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
>>> a xenon
>>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>>> if the
>>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>>
>>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>>> beams, which
>>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: DeTomaso
>> [[21]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>>> that the
>>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>>> the
>>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
>> that
>>> all
>>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
>> for
>>> years.
>>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>>>> manufactures.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: DeTomaso
>> [[22]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>>
>>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>>> to
>>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>>> They
>>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>>> same.
>>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>>> little as I
>>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
>> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>> Message-ID: <2BC46E79-666A-41AA-83BB-30981077FA40 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> Chuck,
>> The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro
>> GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
>> bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
>> RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
>> I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
>> it....
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
>> <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>>> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
>> got a
>>> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
>> license
>>> plate - did it used to be white?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [25]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Plate GTS 5W ?
>>>
>>> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
>>> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
>> Waltz".
>>>
>>> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
>> car.
>>> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
>> to the entry.
>>> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
>> work.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
>> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
>> Message-ID: <7684BDF4-2A60-497B-8454-2E9524D83F6C at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> Guys,
>> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
>> Mike
>>> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>>>
>>> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>>>
>>> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
>> [27]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Guys,
>> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
>> Mike
>> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
>> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
>> [1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>> References
>> 1. [28]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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>> References
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>> 1. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com
>> 2. http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=outlook&signature_id=6072763649359872
>> 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 4. https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734911
>> 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>> 7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>> 8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>> 9. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 11. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 12. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 13. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 15. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 16. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 18. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 19. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 20. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 21. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 22. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 23. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 24. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 25. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>> 26. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 27. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>> 28. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 01:46:55 +0000
From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
To: "audionut at hushmail.com" <audionut at hushmail.com>,
"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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I wonder why no one has ever shipped a car to Antartica, fired it up, did a couple of donuts, and said: "I am the first!!" People have done worse things just to be cool! ----So, somewhere in the world someone is saying, "Holy Cow, hold my beer....!" ---BILL Lewis
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of audionut at hushmail.com <audionut at hushmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:18 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
Sweet. Thanks Mike! The Mangusta. So absolutely deadly. All those
crazy James Bond toggle switches on the dash are just too cool. What
the hell are they for? Who cares! Gotta love the 8-track player
too. Hopefully the guy continues to resist the temptation to
modernize that.
Sent using Hushmail
On January 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso" wrote:Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
De Tomaso Mangusta road tested<https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM>
youtu.be
A rare opportunity to get up close and personal with an original De Tomaso Mangusta ... and its sun visors. Of the 401 built, less than 200 still exist. This...
-------------- next part --------------
I wonder why no one has ever shipped a car to Antartica, fired it up,
did a couple of donuts, and said: "I am the first!!" People have done
worse things just to be cool! ----So, somewhere in the world someone
is saying, "Holy Cow, hold my beer....!" ---BILL Lewis
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
audionut at hushmail.com <audionut at hushmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:18 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
Sweet. Thanks Mike! The Mangusta. So absolutely deadly. All those
crazy James Bond toggle switches on the dash are just too cool. What
the hell are they for? Who cares! Gotta love the 8-track player
too. Hopefully the guy continues to resist the temptation to
modernize that.
Sent using Hushmail
On January 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso" wrote:Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
[2]De Tomaso Mangusta road tested
youtu.be
A rare opportunity to get up close and personal with an original De
Tomaso Mangusta ... and its sun visors. Of the 401 built, less than 200
still exist. This...
References
1. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
2. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
------------------------------
Message: 25
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 17:59:16 -0800
From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
To: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
Message-ID: <9C638752-1CA9-421A-A6B7-AB49B0FAD0B2 at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Scott,
My friend Bruce has a 427 it nets 618 to the crank, it is fast and scary. Sounds the business.
No replacement for displacement.
My brother has a 69 Mach 1 with a 427 Clevor 780 horse with a Paxton and methanol injection. His passengers need diapers. Lol
It's so much fun destroying new corvettes.
Anyway both cars look stock.
Ed
Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:58, Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com> wrote:
>
> <<they were the ultimate sleepers>>
>
> A Pantera looks fast sitting on blocks, can it ever be a sleeper?
>
>
> Larry (nap time) - Cleveland
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> Of Scott Mead Photography
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 3:27 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
>
> Aloha All,
>
> I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the hopes
> of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to 408-427,
> supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here before.
> However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview mirror.
> Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower setup on
> their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine screen
> cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make that much
> power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear decklid
> for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
>
> Mahalos in advance,
>
> Scott
>
> ______________________
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Message: 26
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 19:50:01 -0800
From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
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:-)
Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> On Jan 5, 2017, at 13:00, Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Lol, a Pantera sleeper! Ya, no one will suspect you at all! ;-)
>
> That said, I've got 550+ at the flywheel with a 392. Happy to send specs.
>
> Brent
>
>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You can make 500HP with a naturally aspirated 351C engine that looks
>> fairly stock, now that is the ultimate sleeper. It's just a matter of
>> selecting the right combination of parts, and you don't even really
>> need to stroke it, although I have a personal preponderance toward a
>> 393CI stroker.
>>
>> Julian
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>> Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:26:52 PM
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
>>
>> Aloha All,
>>
>> I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the
>> hopes
>> of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to
>> 408-427,
>> supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here
>> before.
>> However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview
>> mirror.
>> Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower setup
>> on
>> their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine
>> screen
>> cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make that
>> much
>> power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear
>> decklid
>> for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
>>
>> Mahalos in advance,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> ______________________
>> Scott Mead Photography
>> 415 Dairy Road, Ste. E-242
>> Kahului, HI 96732
>> T: 808-573-6875
>> F: 808-573-6876
>> e: <[1]mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
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>> are
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>> attachments. Scott Mead Photography, Inc. accepts no liability for any
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Message: 27
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 07:03:08 -0600
From: Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1 at me.com>
To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Well said Bill, that is sometimes the way I feel when I drive the Mangusta or
Espada through a small Cajun town in Louisiana.
The faces, questions and cellphone photos are over the top.
I should aim my GoPro to the viewers facial expression instead of the frontal view of the roads.
I am NYC now, just had my last surgery done, last night one of my brothers who works here came by and spent the night instead of taking the train back to New Jersey.
We talked for hours and he brought up a 1985 memory of us as 12 yr and 28 yr old brothers taking my Lamborghini 400 GT to the local drag strip for ?Race what you brought or stoled night?.
We pulled on to the dusty road about 7:00pm and pulled up to the poorly lit shack to pay Jethro and Boudreaux the entrance fees.
Elly Mae was not there, I think she was out back by the concrete pond with granny cooking opposum.
I got out the sexy car with the 4.0 liter V12 idling and all could hear the snapping cool down noises since we had just 7,000 rpm blitzed the interstate.
I would feed her VP 110 leaded race gas only.
Goober or Jethro came out and walked around this beautiful alien device and just stood there with a wet lower lip, a home alone look and shell shocked.
He was having a Cajun version of Area 51!!!!
In total amazement the in shack guy asked him,
?Goober what kind of car or_____is that??.
Goober responded as he used his flashlight to read the front emblem,
WELL LORDY BE, THATS ONE OF THEM THAR LAMB BEAUX GHINIS, SHASHAM!
That ended our conversations and Chris and I drove in and raced.
I did about 6 passes and a pass or two with Chris, what a joy for me and of course a 12 year old boy.
Years later the exotic Espada would do and still does the same thing to onlookers.
The Mangusta pulls a different crowd because of its stunning beauty, people are still shell shocked but just happily amazed and gracefully thankful at what they are lucky enough to see at that moment in their lives.
You just can?t make this stuff up.
One more story.
Two weeks ago actor/producer Ethan Hawke borrowed my Mangusta to be the lead car and two of my customers cars to be in his Louisiana filmed movie, BLAZE.
Ethan Hawke with Marc, my cars caregiver that day.
I could not go as I was getting ready to leave for the NYC surgery.
I have put it way too long but I wanted to have fun for the 50th year of the goose.
I did!
----------
The actors taking off in their kickass cars, a 1983 + - era movie.
Still not driving her much so was shipped the 44 miles for filming.
So will this be the second movie a Mangusta has ever been in?
The other I know of is KILL BILL.
Take care all,
Jeff Cobb
-------------------------------
On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:46 PM, Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I wonder why no one has ever shipped a car to Antartica, fired it up,
> did a couple of donuts, and said: "I am the first!!" People have done
> worse things just to be cool! ----So, somewhere in the world someone
> is saying, "Holy Cow, hold my beer....!" ---BILL Lewis
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> audionut at hushmail.com <audionut at hushmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:18 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
>
> Sweet. Thanks Mike! The Mangusta. So absolutely deadly. All those
> crazy James Bond toggle switches on the dash are just too cool. What
> the hell are they for? Who cares! Gotta love the 8-track player
> too. Hopefully the guy continues to resist the temptation to
> modernize that.
> Sent using Hushmail
> On January 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso" wrote:Guys,
> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
> Mike
>> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>>
>> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
>>
>>
>> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>>
>> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
> [1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
> [2]De Tomaso Mangusta road tested
> youtu.be
> A rare opportunity to get up close and personal with an original De
> Tomaso Mangusta ... and its sun visors. Of the 401 built, less than 200
> still exist. This...
>
> References
>
> 1. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
> 2. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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Well said Bill, that is sometimes the way I feel when I drive the
Mangusta or
Espada through a small Cajun town in Louisiana.
The faces, questions and cellphone photos are over the top.
I should aim my GoPro to the viewers facial expression instead of the
frontal view of the roads.
I am NYC now, just had my last surgery done, last night one of my
brothers who works here came by and spent the night instead of taking
the train back to New Jersey.
We talked for hours and he brought up a 1985 memory of us as 12 yr and
28 yr old brothers taking my Lamborghini 400 GT to the local drag
strip for "Race what you brought or stoled night".
We pulled on to the dusty road about 7:00pm and pulled up to the poorly
lit shack to pay Jethro and Boudreaux the entrance fees.
Elly Mae was not there, I think she was out back by the concrete pond
with granny cooking opposum.
I got out the sexy car with the 4.0 liter V12 idling and all could hear
the snapping cool down noises since we had just 7,000 rpm blitzed the
interstate.
I would feed her VP 110 leaded race gas only.
Goober or Jethro came out and walked around this beautiful alien device
and just stood there with a wet lower lip, a home alone look and shell
shocked.
He was having a Cajun version of Area 51!!!!
In total amazement the in shack guy asked him,
"Goober what kind of car or_____is that?'.
Goober responded as he used his flashlight to read the front emblem,
WELL LORDY BE, THATS ONE OF THEM THAR LAMB BEAUX GHINIS, SHASHAM!
That ended our conversations and Chris and I drove in and raced.
I did about 6 passes and a pass or two with Chris, what a joy for me
and of course a 12 year old boy.
Years later the exotic Espada would do and still does the same thing to
onlookers.
The Mangusta pulls a different crowd because of its stunning beauty,
people are still shell shocked but just happily amazed and gracefully
thankful at what they are lucky enough to see at that moment in their
lives.
You just can't make this stuff up.
One more story.
Two weeks ago actor/producer Ethan Hawke borrowed my Mangusta to be the
lead car and two of my customers cars to be in his Louisiana filmed
movie, BLAZE.
[cid:82A23885-0EB7-4919-8ABD-0495DE2A4CB7]
Ethan Hawke with Marc, my cars caregiver that day.
I could not go as I was getting ready to leave for the NYC surgery.
I have put it way too long but I wanted to have fun for the 50th year
of the goose.
I did!
----------
[cid:1AC0FB7C-76E9-4EC5-A3EC-83C6CD46C676]
[cid:0BDFA1EE-8762-4092-A2AA-B151BCA91E5C]
[cid:E6DAFA2E-6963-46F5-B735-49C8B47574C7]
The actors taking off in their kickass cars, a 1983 + - era movie.
[cid:9C851E1C-CD75-4C4B-8F50-21C26A8E25BB]
[cid:3CE4FC77-A353-4BD1-9448-1794B552B8A5]
Still not driving her much so was shipped the 44 miles for filming.
[cid:47EB518B-9378-4F39-A08E-2C34B6BC08B9]
So will this be the second movie a Mangusta has ever been in?
The other I know of is KILL BILL.
Take care all,
Jeff Cobb
-------------------------------
On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:46 PM, Bill Lewis <[1]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
I wonder why no one has ever shipped a car to Antartica, fired it up,
did a couple of donuts, and said: "I am the first!!" People have
done
worse things just to be cool! ----So, somewhere in the world
someone
is saying, "Holy Cow, hold my beer....!" ---BILL Lewis
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
[3]audionut at hushmail.com <[4]audionut at hushmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:18 PM
To: [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
Sweet. Thanks Mike! The Mangusta. So absolutely deadly. All those
crazy James Bond toggle switches on the dash are just too cool. What
the hell are they for? Who cares! Gotta love the 8-track player
too. Hopefully the guy continues to resist the temptation to
modernize that.
Sent using Hushmail
On January 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso" wrote:Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1][6]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
[2]De Tomaso Mangusta road tested
[7]youtu.be
A rare opportunity to get up close and personal with an original De
Tomaso Mangusta ... and its sun visors. Of the 401 built, less than
200
still exist. This...
References
1. [8]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Message: 28
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 09:52:09 -0500
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: "'Jeff Cobb'" <jeffcobb1 at me.com>,
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Enjoyed the stories, BUT...
Who's White 71 Hemi Cuda?
And wishing You a Speedy recovery
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Message: 29
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 09:06:02 -0600
From: Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1 at me.com>
To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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My customer, he has about 45 muscle cars in top condition.
Jeff
On Jan 6, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> Enjoyed the stories, BUT...
>
> Who's White 71 Hemi Cuda?
>
> And wishing You a Speedy recovery
>
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Thomas, sleeving ONE cylinder on each side of a particularly valuable
iron block will be fine. More than that weakens an already weak iron
casting at the main bearing saddles. Adding power only makes things
worse. I would first have a sonic check of the block done to verify
wall thicknesses before I spent a dime on it.
Most 351C blocks will NOT accept an .030-overbore as the thin walls
then get flexy from cylinder pressure. And cast iron doesn't flex
well-or for long. I blew a pice of cylinder wall the size of a
half-dollar into the water jacket on an overbored block, from a
backfire on a starting grid at an autocross (insufficient warm up). It
was a 550-horse 351C with 11:1 c.r and we re-sleeved it with no
problems.
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Today's Topics:
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2. Re: Header coatings (mark skwarek)
3. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (tom ware)
4. Re: Header coatings (Asa Jay Laughton)
5. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (Julian Kift)
6. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (Daniel C Jones)
7. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (Asa Jay Laughton)
8. Fwd: Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (Dave Londry)
9. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (Ken Green)
10. Re: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Jeff Cobb)
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12. Building a Sleeper (Scott Mead Photography)
13. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (Julian Kift)
14. Re: Building a Sleeper (Julian Kift)
15. Re: Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
16. Re: Building a Sleeper (Larry - Ohio Time)
17. Re: Building a Sleeper (Brent Stewart)
18. Re: Building a Sleeper (Mike Drew)
19. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (Ken Green)
20. Re: Building a Sleeper (Daniel C Jones)
21. Re: Building a Sleeper (Brent Stewart)
22. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (Mike Drew)
23. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5 (tom ware)
24. Re: Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Bill Lewis)
25. Re: Building a Sleeper (Ed Mendez)
26. Re: Building a Sleeper (Ed Mendez)
27. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Jeff Cobb)
28. Re: Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
29. Re: Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Jeff Cobb)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 10:05:16 -0700
From: "David" <[6]adin at frontier.net>
To: <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Header coatings
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Greetings:
Are all coatings the same?
Can a coating be repaired/touched up?
Good experience with a vendor?
Bad experience with a vendor?
Anything else I need to know?
Thanks!
David in Durango
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 17:58:00 +0000 (UTC)
From: mark skwarek <[8]ehpantera at yahoo.com>
To: David <[9]adin at frontier.net>,
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I like Swain Tech coatings.
[13]http://swaintech.com/race-coatings/race-coating-descriptions/white-
lightning-exhaust-coatings/
I doubt that a coating can be touched up.? Refinished possibly.
On Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:05 PM, David <[14]adin at frontier.net>
wrote:
Greetings:
Are all coatings the same?
Can a coating be repaired/touched up?
Good experience with a vendor?
Bad experience with a vendor?
Anything else I need to know?
Thanks!
David in Durango
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I like Swain Tech coatings.
[1][17]http://swaintech.com/race-coatings/race-coating-descriptions/whi
te-l
ightning-exhaust-coatings/
I doubt that a coating can be touched up. Refinished possibly.
On Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:05 PM, David <[18]adin at frontier.net>
wrote:
Greetings:
Are all coatings the same?
Can a coating be repaired/touched up?
Good experience with a vendor?
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David in Durango
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 19:03:23 +0000
From: tom ware <[24]ace595 at hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
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Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were bored
to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon
NJ 07508
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3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
(The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[39]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Jeff Detrich <[40]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: [41]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
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Perfect!
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <[43]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
[44]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_102071985373
4911
>
6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
> D30
>
> Nice sentiment.A
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how many
> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>
> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
the
> people who made the components that went into it,
>
> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
trucks
> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
from
> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the dealership
> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
> know how many people it fed.
>
> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality. When
> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>
> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving
> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[47]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[48]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video
of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[49]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
[50]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[51]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles McCall'" <[52]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
List'" <[53]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[54]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
Plate GTS 5W ?
White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
the entry.
Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
Chuck
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
From: Dave Londry <[55]davel at emspace.com>
To: [56]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[58]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[59]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [60]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[61]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[62]Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Dave Londry'" <[63]davel at emspace.com>,
<[64]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dave,
I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
high
beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
high
beams, you need more power!
Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[65]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: [66]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern
function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light
housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
have
much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time,
most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
210 w
single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
blast a
massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as
team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass
bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative
to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam
pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place
of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates
the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[67]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if
the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[68]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [69]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that
the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[70]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as
I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[73]guson at home.se>
To: <[74]davel at emspace.com>
Cc: [75]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[77]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [78]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[79]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[80]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [81]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[82]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[85]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [86]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[87]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[88]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [89]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[90]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[93]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <[94]guson at home.se>
Cc: [95]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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That was high beam?..
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[97]guson at home.se>
wrote:
>
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [[98]davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: [99]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[100]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[101]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: [102]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[103]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[108]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[109]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <[110]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Chuck,
The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro
GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
it....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<[112]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
> [113]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
>
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
>
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[116]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <[117]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[119]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1][120]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
References
1. [121]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon
NJ 07508
[1][124]Ace595 at hotmail.com | [2][125]www.acesecurity.net
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3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
(The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
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6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
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9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[134]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Jeff Detrich <[135]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: [136]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
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Perfect!
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <[138]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
[4][139]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_10207198
53734
911
>
6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
> D30
>
> Nice sentiment.A
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
many
> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>
> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
the
> people who made the components that went into it,
>
> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
trucks
> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
from
> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
dealership
> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
> know how many people it fed.
>
> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
When
> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>
> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
shoving
> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[142]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[143]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video
of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[6][144]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
-------------- next part --------------
May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
[7][145]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[146]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles McCall'" <[147]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
List'" <[148]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[8][149]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
Plate GTS 5W ?
White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
the entry.
Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
Chuck
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
From: Dave Londry <[150]davel at emspace.com>
To: [151]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-[152]a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[153]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[9][154]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [155]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[10][156]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[157]Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Dave Londry'" <[158]davel at emspace.com>,
<[159]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dave,
I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
high
beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
high
beams, you need more power!
Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso
[[11][160]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: [161]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern
function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light
housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
have
much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time,
most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
210 w
single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
blast a
massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as
team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass
bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative
to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam
pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place
of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates
the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[162]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if
the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[12][163]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [164]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that
the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[13][165]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as
I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[168]guson at home.se>
To: <[169]davel at emspace.com>
Cc: [170]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[172]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [173]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[174]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[15][175]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [176]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[16][177]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[180]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [181]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[182]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[18][183]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [184]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[19][185]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[188]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <[189]guson at home.se>
Cc: [190]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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That was high beam?..
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[192]guson at home.se>
wrote:
>
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [[193]davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: [194]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[195]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[21][196]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: [197]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
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> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
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>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[203]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[204]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <[205]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Chuck,
The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro
GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
it....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<[207]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
> [25][208]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
>
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
>
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
>
> Chuck
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[211]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <[212]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[27][214]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1][215]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 11:24:51 -0800
From: Asa Jay Laughton <[248]asajay at asajay.com>
To: David <[249]adin at frontier.net>
Cc: [250]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Header coatings
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I think ceramic coatings are the best. I've previously used Jet-hot but
will probably use a local vendor next time. I have no idea how to touch
it up if it needs it. I currently have a set of headers ceramic coated
about 17 years ago and they need to be refreshed. I'll find out when I
take them in, whenever that is.
Asa
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
David <[252]adin at frontier.net> wrote:
>Greetings:
>
>Are all coatings the same?
>
>Can a coating be repaired/touched up?
>
>Good experience with a vendor?
>
>Bad experience with a vendor?
>
>Anything else I need to know?
>
>Thanks!
>
>David in Durango
>
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I think ceramic coatings are the best. I've previously used Jet-hot
but will probably use a local vendor next time. I have no idea how to
touch it up if it needs it. I currently have a set of headers ceramic
coated about 17 years ago and they need to be refreshed. I'll find out
when I take them in, whenever that is.
Asa
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
David <[255]adin at frontier.net> wrote:
Greetings:
Are all coatings the same?
Can a coating be repaired/touched up?
Good experience with a vendor?
Bad experience with a vendor?
Anything else I need to know?
Thanks!
David in Durango
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 19:25:22 +0000
From: Julian Kift <[258]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <[259]ace595 at hotmail.com>,
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A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my concern
would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time before
you are into a full rebuild. It's good that you caught the #5 cylinder
crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being driven.
That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
internals that may be reusable right now.
As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding good
core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down some
serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
Julian
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Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were bored
to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: NPC - and just a bit of car stuff (MSM Contractors)
2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
(The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[277]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Jeff Detrich <[278]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: [279]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
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Perfect!
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <[281]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
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6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
> D30
>
> Nice sentiment.A
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how many
> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>
> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
the
> people who made the components that went into it,
>
> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
trucks
> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
from
> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the dealership
> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
> know how many people it fed.
>
> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality. When
> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>
> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving
> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[285]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[286]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video
of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[287]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
[288]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[289]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles McCall'" <[290]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
List'" <[291]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[292]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
Plate GTS 5W ?
White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
the entry.
Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
Chuck
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
From: Dave Londry <[293]davel at emspace.com>
To: [294]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[296]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[297]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [298]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[299]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[300]Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Dave Londry'" <[301]davel at emspace.com>,
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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Dave,
I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
high
beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
high
beams, you need more power!
Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
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On Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: [304]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern
function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light
housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
have
much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time,
most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
210 w
single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
blast a
massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as
team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass
bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative
to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam
pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place
of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates
the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[305]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if
the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[306]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [307]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that
the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[308]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as
I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[311]guson at home.se>
To: <[312]davel at emspace.com>
Cc: [313]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[315]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [316]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[317]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[318]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [319]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[320]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[323]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [324]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[325]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[326]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [327]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[328]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[331]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <[332]guson at home.se>
Cc: [333]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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That was high beam?..
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[335]guson at home.se>
wrote:
>
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [[336]davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: [337]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[338]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[339]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: [340]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[341]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[346]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[347]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <[348]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Chuck,
The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro
GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
it....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<[350]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
> [351]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
>
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
>
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[354]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <[355]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[357]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1][358]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
References
1. [359]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my concern
would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time before
you are into a full rebuild. It's good that you caught the #5 cylinder
crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being driven.
That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
internals that may be reusable right now.
As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding good
core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down some
serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
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2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
(The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[376]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Jeff Detrich <[377]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: [378]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
Message-ID:
<E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-[379]E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Perfect!
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <[380]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
[4][381]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_10207198
53734
911
>
6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
> D30
>
> Nice sentiment.A
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
many
> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>
> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
the
> people who made the components that went into it,
>
> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
trucks
> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
from
> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
dealership
> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
> know how many people it fed.
>
> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
When
> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>
> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
shoving
> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[384]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[385]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video
of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[6][386]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
-------------- next part --------------
May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
[7][387]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[388]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles McCall'" <[389]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
List'" <[390]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[8][391]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
Plate GTS 5W ?
White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
the entry.
Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
Chuck
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
From: Dave Londry <[392]davel at emspace.com>
To: [393]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-[394]a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[395]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[9][396]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [397]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[10][398]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[399]Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Dave Londry'" <[400]davel at emspace.com>,
<[401]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dave,
I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
high
beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
high
beams, you need more power!
Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso
[[11][402]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: [403]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern
function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light
housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
have
much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time,
most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
210 w
single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
blast a
massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as
team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass
bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative
to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam
pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place
of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates
the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[404]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if
the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[12][405]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [406]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that
the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[13][407]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as
I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[410]guson at home.se>
To: <[411]davel at emspace.com>
Cc: [412]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[414]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [415]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[416]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[15][417]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [418]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[16][419]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[422]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [423]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[424]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[18][425]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [426]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[19][427]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[430]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <[431]guson at home.se>
Cc: [432]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID:
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That was high beam?..
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[434]guson at home.se>
wrote:
>
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [[435]davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: [436]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[437]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[21][438]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: [439]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[22][440]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[445]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[446]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <[447]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
Message-ID: <2BC46E79-666A-41AA-83BB-[448]30981077FA40 at aol.com>
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Chuck,
The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro
GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
it....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<[449]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
> [25][450]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
>
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
>
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[453]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <[454]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[27][456]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
-------------- next part --------------
Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1][457]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
References
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4.
[464]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_10207198537
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5. [465]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
6. [466]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
7. [467]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
8. [468]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
9. [469]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 13:29:07 -0600
From: Daniel C Jones <[490]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
Cc: "[491]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[492]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
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> cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into the cooling system !
> so would one sleeve that cylinder ?
If the rest of the cylinders pass sonic check, you can just sleeve the
cracked cylinder.
> or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Note that there are no cast steel blocks, though there are cast iron
blocks. I think currently only the Titus 351C blocks are available. Tim
Meyer is in final development of his aluminum blocks. Once that project
is
finished, he will finalize the cast iron blocks. See:
[494]http://www.tmeyerinc.com/category-s/1902.htm
Dan Jones
-------------- next part --------------
> cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into the cooling system !A A
> so would one sleeve that cylinder ?
If the rest of the cylinders pass sonic check, you can just sleeve the
cracked cylinder.A
> or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Note that there are no cast steel blocks, though there are cast iron
blocks.A I think currently only the Titus 351C blocks are available.A
Tim Meyer is in final development of his aluminum blocks.A Once that
project is finished, he will finalize the cast iron blocks.A See:
[1][495]http://www.tmeyerinc.com/category-s/1902.htm
Dan Jones
References
1. [496]http://www.tmeyerinc.com/category-s/1902.htm
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 11:29:38 -0800
From: Asa Jay Laughton <[497]asajay at asajay.com>
To: tom ware <[498]ace595 at hotmail.com>
Cc: [499]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
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I'd sleeve it. Cheap enough to do these days versus finding another
block and getting it all machined.
Asa
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
tom ware <[501]ace595 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>Question for the fellow owners?
>
>the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
>
>after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were bored
to 4.035 on rebuild.
>
>or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
>
>
>
>Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
>Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave,
Haledon NJ 07508
>[502]Ace595 at hotmail.com<[503]mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com> |
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> 1. Re: NPC - and just a bit of car stuff (MSM Contractors)
> 2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
> 3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
> (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
> 4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
> 5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
> 6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> 7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
> 8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
> 9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
>
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>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
>From: MSM Contractors <[513]david at msmcontractors.org>
>To: Jeff Detrich <[514]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>Cc: [515]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
>Message-ID:
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>
>Perfect!
>
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <[517]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>
[518]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_10207198537
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>>
6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
>> D30
>>
>> Nice sentiment.A
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> 6559
>>
>> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how many
>> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>>
>> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
>> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
the
>> people who made the components that went into it,
>>
>> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
>> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
trucks
>> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
from
>> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the dealership
>> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
>> know how many people it fed.
>>
>> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
When
>> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
>> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
>> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>>
>> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
>> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving
>> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
>From: Charles McCall <[521]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>To: "Detomaso Email List" <[522]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video
>of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
>
>
>
>
>
>It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
>quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
>plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
>[523]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
>-------------- next part --------------
> May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
> video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
> Combe.
>
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
> got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
> Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
> [524]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
>From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[525]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>To: "'Charles McCall'" <[526]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso
Email
> List'" <[527]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
>quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
>plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
>[528]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
>Plate GTS 5W ?
>
>White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
>It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
>
>But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
>If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
the entry.
>Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
>From: Dave Londry <[529]davel at emspace.com>
>To: [530]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-[531]a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>retinas of the oncoming driver.
>
>Jeff touched on this point.
>I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>
>Dave
>
>
>On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[532]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[533]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: [534]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[535]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
>From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[536]Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
>To: "'Dave Londry'" <[537]davel at emspace.com>,
> <[538]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Dave,
>
>I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
high
>beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
high
>beams, you need more power!
>
>Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DeTomaso [[539]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>Of Dave Londry
>Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
>To: [540]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>
>I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>retinas of the oncoming driver.
>
>Jeff touched on this point.
>I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>
>Dave
>
>
>On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern
>function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light
>housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
have
>much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
>producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time,
>most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
210 w
>single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
blast a
>massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as
>team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass
>bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative
>to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam
>pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place
>of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates
>the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[541]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
>xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if
>the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
>which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[542]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: [543]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that
>the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
>years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[544]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as
>I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
>From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[547]guson at home.se>
>To: <[548]davel at emspace.com>
>Cc: [549]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>Message-ID: <[550]4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
>Tomas
>
>
>
><-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
> From: Dave Londry [[551]davel at emspace.com]
>Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>To: [552]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>
>I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>retinas of the oncoming driver.
>
>Jeff touched on this point.
>I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>
>Dave
>
>
>On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs
>and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
>dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
>H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
>shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
>beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that
>locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you
are
>in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[553]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
>xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
>which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[554]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: [555]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
>all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
>years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[556]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [[559]davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: [560]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
> > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
> dreamed of producing.
> > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
> as team with the LED.
> >
> > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
> glass bulb containing sodium
> > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
> >
> > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
> you are in business.
> >
> >
> > Jeff Cobb- I pad
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[561]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
> a xenon
> >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
> if the
> >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
> >>
> >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
> >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso
[[562]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
> >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
> >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
> >> Cc: [563]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> Hi Jeff,
> >>
> >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
> that the
> >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
> the
> >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
> all
> >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
> >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
> >>
> >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
> >> manufactures.
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso
[[564]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
> >> To: DeTomaso List
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
> to
> >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
> They
> >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
> >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
> >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
> >>
> >>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
>From: MSM Contractors <[567]david at msmcontractors.org>
>To: Tomas Gunnarsson <[568]guson at home.se>
>Cc: [569]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>Message-ID:
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>That was high beam?..
>
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[571]guson at home.se>
wrote:
>>
>> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>>
>> Tomas
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> From: Dave Londry [[572]davel at emspace.com]
>> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>> To: [573]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>> Jeff touched on this point.
>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>> Dave
>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>> pattern function and temperature.
>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
>> dreamed of producing.
>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
>> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
>> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
>> as team with the LED.
>>>
>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
>> glass bulb containing sodium
>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>
>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
>> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
>> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
>> you are in business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[574]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
>> a xenon
>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
>> if the
>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>
>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>> beams, which
>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
[[575]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>> Cc: [576]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
>> that the
>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
>> the
>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
>> all
>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
>> years.
>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>>> manufactures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
[[577]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
>> to
>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
>> They
>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>> same.
>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>> little as I
>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
>From: Mike Drew <[582]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[583]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>Cc: Detomaso Email List <[584]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>Message-ID: <2BC46E79-666A-41AA-83BB-[585]30981077FA40 at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Chuck,
>
>The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from
euro GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
>
>I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
it....
>
>Mike
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<[586]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only got a
>> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
>> plate - did it used to be white?
>>
>>
>>
>> [587]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>>
>>
>>
>> Plate GTS 5W ?
>>
>> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
>> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
>>
>> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
>> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to the entry.
>> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
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>Message: 9
>Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
>From: Mike Drew <[590]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>To: DeTomaso Mail List <[591]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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>
>Guys,
>
>thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
>
>Mike
>
>> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>>
>> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>>
>>
>> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>>
>> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[593]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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> Guys,
>
> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
>
> Mike
>
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
> [1][594]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>
>References
>
> 1. [595]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>
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>
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>
> Question for the fellow owners?
>
> the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
> dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
>
> after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
> the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
> bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
>
> or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
>
> Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
> Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave,
Haledon
> NJ 07508
> [1][598]Ace595 at hotmail.com | [2][599]www.acesecurity.net
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> 2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
> 3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
> (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
> 4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
> 5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
> 6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> 7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
> 8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
> 9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
> From: MSM Contractors <[608]david at msmcontractors.org>
> To: Jeff Detrich <[609]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Cc: [610]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
> Message-ID:
<E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-[611]E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Perfect!
> > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <[612]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> >
>
[4][613]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_10207198
53734
> 911
> >
>
6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
> > D30
> >
> > Nice sentiment.A
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > 6559
> >
> > A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
> many
> > people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
> >
> > I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
> > Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
> the
> > people who made the components that went into it,
> >
> > it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
> > wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
> trucks
> > that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
> from
> > the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
> dealership
> > and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
> > know how many people it fed.
> >
> > That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
> When
> > you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
> > dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> > nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
> >
> > Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
> > value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
> shoving
> > something down your throat that you never asked for.
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> >
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
> From: Charles McCall <[616]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> To: "Detomaso Email List" <[617]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
> Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
> video
> of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
> got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
> license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
> [6][618]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
> video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
> Combe.
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
> Only
> got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
> Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
> [7][619]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
> ------------------------------
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
> From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[620]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
> To: "'Charles McCall'" <[621]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso
Email
> List'" <[622]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
> Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
> got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
> license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
> [8][623]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
> car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to
> the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
> Chuck
> ------------------------------
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
> From: Dave Londry <[624]davel at emspace.com>
> To: [625]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-[626]a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
> > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
> dreamed of producing.
> > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
> as team with the LED.
> >
> > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
> glass bulb containing sodium
> > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
> >
> > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
> you are in business.
> >
> >
> > Jeff Cobb- I pad
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[627]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
> a xenon
> >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
> if the
> >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
> >>
> >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
> >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso
[[9][628]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
> >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
> >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
> >> Cc: [629]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> Hi Jeff,
> >>
> >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
> that the
> >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
> the
> >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
> that all
> >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
> >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
> >>
> >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
> >> manufactures.
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso
[[10][630]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
> >> To: DeTomaso List
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
> to
> >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
> They
> >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
> >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
> >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
> >>
> >>
> ------------------------------
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
> From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[631]Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
> To: "'Dave Londry'" <[632]davel at emspace.com>,
> <[633]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> Dave,
> I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
> high
> beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
> high
> beams, you need more power!
> Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[11][634]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Dave Londry
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
> To: [635]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern
> function and temperature.
> > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light
> housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs
and
> have
> much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
> producing.
> > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time,
> most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
> 210 w
> single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
> blast a
> massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
> as
> team with the LED.
> >
> > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
> glass
> bulb containing sodium
> > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative
> to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
> >
> > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam
> pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
> place
> of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
> locates
> the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
> business.
> >
> >
> > Jeff Cobb- I pad
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[636]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
> a
> xenon
> >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
> if
> the
> >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
> >>
> >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams,
> which
> >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso
[[12][637]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
> >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
> >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
> >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
> >> Cc: [638]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> Hi Jeff,
> >>
> >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
> that
> the
> >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
> the
> >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
> that all
> >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
> >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
> >>
> >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
> >> manufactures.
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso
[[13][639]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
> >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
> >> To: DeTomaso List
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
> to
> >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
> They
> >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
> >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as
> I
> >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
> >>
> >>
> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[642]guson at home.se>
> To: <[643]davel at emspace.com>
> Cc: [644]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> Message-ID: <[645]4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [[646]davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: [647]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
> > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs
> and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
> dreamed of producing.
> > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
> as team with the LED.
> >
> > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
> glass bulb containing sodium
> > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
> >
> > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that
> locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you
are
> in business.
> >
> >
> > Jeff Cobb- I pad
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[648]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
> a
> xenon
> >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
> if the
> >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
> >>
> >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams,
> which
> >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso
[[15][649]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
> >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
> >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
> >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
> >> Cc: [650]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> Hi Jeff,
> >>
> >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
> that the
> >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
> the
> >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
> all
> >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
> >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
> >>
> >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
> >> manufactures.
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso
[[16][651]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
> >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
> >> To: DeTomaso List
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
> to
> >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
> They
> >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
> >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
> >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
> >>
> >>
> _______________________________________________
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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>
> -------------- next part --------------
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [[654]davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: [655]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
> wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
> the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
> > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
> ever
> dreamed of producing.
> > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
> a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
> will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
> as
> as team with the LED.
> >
> > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
> a
> glass bulb containing sodium
> > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
> >
> > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
> flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
> light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
> the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
> you are in business.
> >
> >
> > Jeff Cobb- I pad
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
> <[656]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
> putting
> a xenon
> >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
> as
> if the
> >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
> >>
> >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
> >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso
> [[18][657]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
> >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
> >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
> >> Cc: [658]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> Hi Jeff,
> >>
> >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
> me
> that the
> >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
> produce
> the
> >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
> that
> all
> >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
> for
> years.
> >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
> >>
> >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
> different
> >> manufactures.
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso
> [[19][659]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
> >> To: DeTomaso List
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>
> >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
> company
> to
> >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
> units.
> They
> >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
> >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
> >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
> From: MSM Contractors <[662]david at msmcontractors.org>
> To: Tomas Gunnarsson <[663]guson at home.se>
> Cc: [664]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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> That was high beam?..
> > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[666]guson at home.se>
wrote:
> >
> > If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> > pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
> >
> > Tomas
> > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> > From: Dave Londry [[667]davel at emspace.com]
> > Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> > To: [668]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> > I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
> wondering
> > if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
> the
> > retinas of the oncoming driver.
> > Jeff touched on this point.
> > I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> > Dave
> > On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> >> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> >> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> > pattern function and temperature.
> >> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> > light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> > bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
> ever
> > dreamed of producing.
> >> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> > time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
> w, a
> > H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
> will
> > shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> >> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
> > as team with the LED.
> >>
> >> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
> > glass bulb containing sodium
> >> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> > relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
> >>
> >> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
> > surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
> light
> > beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> >> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
> > place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> > that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
> then
> > you are in business.
> >>
> >>
> >> Jeff Cobb- I pad
> >>
> >> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
> <[669]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
> > a xenon
> >>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
> > if the
> >>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
> >>>
> >>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> > beams, which
> >>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: DeTomaso
> [[21][670]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> > Behalf
> >>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
> >>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
> >>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
> >>> Cc: [671]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>>
> >>> Hi Jeff,
> >>>
> >>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
> > that the
> >>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
> > the
> >>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
> that
> > all
> >>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
> for
> > years.
> >>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
> >>>
> >>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
> >>> manufactures.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: DeTomaso
> [[22][672]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> > Behalf
> >>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
> >>> To: DeTomaso List
> >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> >>>
> >>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
> > to
> >>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
> > They
> >>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> > same.
> >>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> > little as I
> >>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
> >>>
> >>>
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> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
> From: Mike Drew <[677]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[678]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
> Cc: Detomaso Email List <[679]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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> Chuck,
> The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from
euro
> GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
> bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
> RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
> I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he
owned
> it....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
> <[681]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> > Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
> got a
> > quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
> license
> > plate - did it used to be white?
> >
> >
> >
> >
[25][682]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
> >
> >
> >
> > Plate GTS 5W ?
> >
> > White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> > It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
> Waltz".
> >
> > But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for
this
> car.
> > If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
> to the entry.
> > Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
> work.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
> From: Mike Drew <[685]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: DeTomaso Mail List <[686]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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> Guys,
> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
> Mike
> > Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
> >
> > From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
> >
> >
> > Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
> >
> > The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
> [27][688]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
> -------------- next part --------------
> Guys,
> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
> Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
> [1][689]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
> References
> 1. [28][690]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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I'd sleeve it. Cheap enough to do these days versus finding another
block and getting it all machined.
Asa
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
tom ware <[724]ace595 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon
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1. Re: NPC - and just a bit of car stuff (MSM Contractors)
2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
(The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[736]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Jeff Detrich <[737]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: [738]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
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Perfect!
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <[740]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
[741]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_10207198537
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>
6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
> D30
>
> Nice sentiment.A
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
many
> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>
> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
the
> people who made the components that went into it,
>
> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
trucks
> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
from
> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
dealership
> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
> know how many people it fed.
>
> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
When
> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>
> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
shoving
> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[744]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[745]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video
of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[746]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
-------------- next part --------------
May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
[747]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[748]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles McCall'" <[749]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
List'" <[750]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[751]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
Plate GTS 5W ?
White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
the entry.
Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
Chuck
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
From: Dave Londry <[752]davel at emspace.com>
To: [753]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-[754]a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[755]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[756]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [757]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[758]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[759]Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Dave Londry'" <[760]davel at emspace.com>,
<[761]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dave,
I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
high
beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
high
beams, you need more power!
Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[762]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: [763]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern
function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light
housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
have
much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time,
most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
210 w
single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
blast a
massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as
team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass
bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative
to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam
pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place
of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates
the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[764]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if
the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[765]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [766]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that
the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[767]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as
I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[770]guson at home.se>
To: <[771]davel at emspace.com>
Cc: [772]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[774]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [775]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[776]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[777]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [778]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[779]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[782]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [783]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[784]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[785]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [786]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[787]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[790]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <[791]guson at home.se>
Cc: [792]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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That was high beam?..
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[794]guson at home.se>
wrote:
>
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [[795]davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: [796]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[797]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[798]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: [799]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[800]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[805]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[806]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <[807]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Chuck,
The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro
GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
it....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<[809]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
> [810]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
>
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
>
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[813]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <[814]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[816]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
-------------- next part --------------
Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1][817]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
References
1. [818]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave,
Haledon
NJ 07508
[1][821]Ace595 at hotmail.com | [2][822]www.acesecurity.net
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3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
(The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[831]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Jeff Detrich <[832]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: [833]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
Message-ID:
<E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-[834]E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Perfect!
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <[835]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
[4][836]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_10207198
53734
911
>
6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
> D30
>
> Nice sentiment.A
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
many
> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>
> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling
Green,
> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it
fed
the
> people who made the components that went into it,
>
> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for
the
> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
trucks
> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled
it
from
> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
dealership
> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really
don't
> know how many people it fed.
>
> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
When
> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give
them
> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>
> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something
of
> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
shoving
> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[839]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[840]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video
of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[6][841]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
-------------- next part --------------
May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found
this
video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
[7][842]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[843]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles McCall'" <[844]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
List'" <[845]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[8][846]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
Plate GTS 5W ?
White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to
the entry.
Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
Chuck
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
From: Dave Londry <[847]davel at emspace.com>
To: [848]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-[849]a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[850]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[9][851]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [852]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[10][853]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[854]Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Dave Londry'" <[855]davel at emspace.com>,
<[856]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dave,
I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
high
beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into
you
high
beams, you need more power!
Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso
[[11][857]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: [858]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern
function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light
housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs
and
have
much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time,
most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
210 w
single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
blast a
massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as
team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass
bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative
to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam
pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place
of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates
the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[859]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if
the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[12][860]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [861]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that
the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[13][862]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as
I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[865]guson at home.se>
To: <[866]davel at emspace.com>
Cc: [867]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[869]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [870]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you
are
in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[871]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[15][872]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [873]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[16][874]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[877]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [878]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by
cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp
design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output
lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro
designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1,
H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could
have
ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all
the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are
designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament
or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to
take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a
company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[879]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as
effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[18][880]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [881]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He
told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also
said
that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have
had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[19][882]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using
the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For
as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[885]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <[886]guson at home.se>
Cc: [887]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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That was high beam?..
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[889]guson at home.se>
wrote:
>
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam
light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [[890]davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: [891]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by
cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output
lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro
designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1,
H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could
have
ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all
the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4
130/160
w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w
just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament
or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a
company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[892]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[21][893]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: [894]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[22][895]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[900]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[901]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <[902]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Chuck,
The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from
euro
GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted
to
RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he
owned
it....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<[904]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters'
license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
> [25][905]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
>
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
>
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for
this
car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add
it
to the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[908]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <[909]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[27][911]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
-------------- next part --------------
Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1][912]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 11:33:47 -0800
From: Dave Londry <[947]davel at emspace.com>
To: detomasolist <[948]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
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Hi Tom
I clipped the digest off your question.
Sounds like the rest of it is very nice.
I think I'd like to keep the heads and the the inlet&exhaust system.
I'm suspicious of iron heads on an aluminum block, unless you find a
good example of that **exact** combination.
I have nothing against a sleeve unless you plan to look for a bunch
more
HP later.
Not that the sleeve matters, but you're heading toward the limit for a
Cleveland block.
Dave
On 1/05/17 11:03 AM, tom ware wrote:
> Question for the fellow owners?
>
> the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
> dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
>
> after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
> the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
> bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
>
> or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
>
> Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
> Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave,
Haledon
> NJ 07508
> [1][950]Ace595 at hotmail.com | [2][951]www.acesecurity.net
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 20:06:15 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ken Green <[952]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: Julian Kift <[953]julian_kift at hotmail.com>, tom ware
<[954]ace595 at hotmail.com>, "[955]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[956]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
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Seems like recommendations should be based on the planned use??
From: Julian Kift <[958]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <[959]ace595 at hotmail.com>;
"[960]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[961]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
? A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my
concern
? would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
? cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time
before
? you are into a full rebuild.? It's good that you caught the #5
cylinder
? crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being
driven.
? That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
? internals that may be reusable right now.
? As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
? have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding
good
? core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down
some
? serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
? Julian
? ? __________________________________________________________________
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behalf of
? tom ware <[963]ace595 at hotmail.com>
? Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:03:23 AM
? To: [964]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
? Question for the fellow owners?
? the project I purchased? came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
? dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
? after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
? the cooling system !? so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
? bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
? or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
? Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
? Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave,
Haledon
? NJ 07508
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? ? ? 2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
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? ? ? ? (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
? ? ? 4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
? ? ? 5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
? ? ? 6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
? ? ? 7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
? ? ? 8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
? ? ? 9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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? Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
? From: MSM Contractors <[976]david at msmcontractors.org>
? To: Jeff Detrich <[977]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
? Cc: [978]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
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? Perfect!
? > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <[980]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
? >
? >
?
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? 911
? >
?
6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
? >? D30
? >
? >? Nice sentiment.A
? >
? >? Jeff
? >
? >? 6559
? >
? >? A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
? many
? >? people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
? >
? >? I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling
Green,
? >? Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it
fed
? the
? >? people who made the components that went into it,
? >
? >? it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
? >? wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
? trucks
? >? that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
? from
? >? the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
? dealership
? >? and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really
don't
? >? know how many people it fed.
? >
? >? That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
? When
? >? you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give
them
? >? dignity for their skills.A? When you give someone something for
? >? nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
? >
? >? Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something
of
? >? value.A? Socialism is taking your money against your will and
? shoving
? >? something down your throat that you never asked for.
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? Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
? From: Charles McCall <[984]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
? To: "Detomaso Email List" <[985]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
? Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
? Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
? May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
? video
? of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
? It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
? Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
? got a
? quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
? license
? plate - did it used to be white?
? [6][986]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
? -------------- next part --------------
? ? ? May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found
this
? ? ? video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
? ? ? Combe.
? ? ? It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
? ? ? Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
? Only
? ? ? got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
? ? ? Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
? ? ?
[7][987]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
? ------------------------------
? Message: 3
? Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
? From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[988]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
? To: "'Charles McCall'" <[989]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso
Email
? ? ? ? ? List'" <[990]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
? Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
? Content-Type: text/plain;? ? ? charset="us-ascii"
? It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
? Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
? got a
? quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
? license
? plate - did it used to be white?
? [8][991]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
? Plate GTS 5W ?
? White?? Yes.? Back when new in GB...
? It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
? But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
? car.
? If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to
? the entry.
? Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
? Chuck
? ------------------------------
? Message: 4
? Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
? From: Dave Londry <[992]davel at emspace.com>
? To: [993]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-[994]a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
? I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
? if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
? retinas of the oncoming driver.
? Jeff touched on this point.
? I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
? Dave
? On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
? > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
? > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
? pattern function and temperature.
? > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
? light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
? bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
? dreamed of producing.
? > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
? time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
? H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
? shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
? > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
? as team with the LED.
? >
? > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
? glass bulb containing sodium
? > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
? relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
? >
? > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
? surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
? beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
? > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
? place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
? that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
? you are in business.
? >
? >
? > Jeff Cobb- I pad
? >
? > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[995]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
? wrote:
? >
? >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
? a xenon
? >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
? if the
? >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
? >>
? >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
? beams, which
? >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
? >> -----Original Message-----
? >> From: DeTomaso
[[9][996]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
? On Behalf
? >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
? >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
? >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
? >> Cc: [997]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >>
? >> Hi Jeff,
? >>
? >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
? that the
? >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
? the
? >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp).? He also said
? that all
? >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
? years.
? >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
? >>
? >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
? >> manufactures.
? >>
? >>
? >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
? >>
? >>
? >>
? >>
? >> -----Original Message-----
? >> From: DeTomaso
[[10][998]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
? On Behalf
? >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
? >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
? >> To: DeTomaso List
? >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >>
? >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
? to
? >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie?
units.
? They
? >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
? same.
? >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
? little as I
? >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
? >>
? >>
? ------------------------------
? Message: 5
? Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
? From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[999]Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
? To: "'Dave Londry'" <[1000]davel at emspace.com>,
? ? ? ? ? <[1001]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
? Content-Type: text/plain;? ? ? charset="us-ascii"
? Dave,
? I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
? high
? beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
? high
? beams, you need more power!
? Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
? -----Original Message-----
? From: DeTomaso
[[11][1002]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
? Behalf
? Of Dave Londry
? Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
? To: [1003]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
? if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
? retinas of the oncoming driver.
? Jeff touched on this point.
? I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
? Dave
? On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
? > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
? > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
? pattern
? function and temperature.
? > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
? light
? housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs
and
? have
? much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
? producing.
? > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
? time,
? most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
? 210 w
? single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
? blast a
? massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
? > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
? as
? team with the LED.
? >
? > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
? glass
? bulb containing sodium
? > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
? relative
? to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
? >
? > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
? surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
? beam
? pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
? > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
? place
? of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
? locates
? the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
? business.
? >
? >
? > Jeff Cobb- I pad
? >
? > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[1004]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
? wrote:
? >
? >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
? a
? xenon
? >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
? if
? the
? >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
? >>
? >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
? beams,
? which
? >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
? >> -----Original Message-----
? >> From: DeTomaso
[[12][1005]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
? On
? Behalf
? >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
? >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
? >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
? >> Cc: [1006]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >>
? >> Hi Jeff,
? >>
? >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
? that
? the
? >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
? the
? >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp).? He also said
? that all
? >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
? years.
? >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
? >>
? >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
? >> manufactures.
? >>
? >>
? >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
? >>
? >>
? >>
? >>
? >> -----Original Message-----
? >> From: DeTomaso
[[13][1007]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
? On
? Behalf
? >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
? >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
? >> To: DeTomaso List
? >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >>
? >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
? to
? >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie?
units.
? They
? >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
? same.
? >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
? little as
? I
? >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
? >>
? >>
? _______________________________________________
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? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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? To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
? use
? the links above.
? Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
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? message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
? list.
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? Message: 6
? Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
? From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[1010]guson at home.se>
? To: <[1011]davel at emspace.com>
? Cc: [1012]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? Message-ID: <[1013]4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
? If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
? pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
? Tomas
? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
? ? ? ? ? ? ? From: Dave Londry [[1014]davel at emspace.com]
? Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
? To: [1015]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
? if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
? retinas of the oncoming driver.
? Jeff touched on this point.
? I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
? Dave
? On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
? > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
? > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
? pattern function and temperature.
? > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
? light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
? bulbs
? and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
? dreamed of producing.
? > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
? time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
? H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
? shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
? > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
? as team with the LED.
? >
? > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
? glass bulb containing sodium
? > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
? relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
? >
? > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
? surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
? beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
? > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
? place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
? that
? locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you
are
? in business.
? >
? >
? > Jeff Cobb- I pad
? >
? > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[1016]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
? wrote:
? >
? >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
? a
? xenon
? >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
? if the
? >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
? >>
? >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
? beams,
? which
? >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
? >> -----Original Message-----
? >> From: DeTomaso
[[15][1017]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
? On
? Behalf
? >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
? >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
? >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
? >> Cc: [1018]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >>
? >> Hi Jeff,
? >>
? >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
? that the
? >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
? the
? >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
? all
? >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
? years.
? >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
? >>
? >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
? >> manufactures.
? >>
? >>
? >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
? >>
? >>
? >>
? >>
? >> -----Original Message-----
? >> From: DeTomaso
[[16][1019]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
? On
? Behalf
? >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
? >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
? >> To: DeTomaso List
? >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >>
? >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
? to
? >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
? They
? >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
? same.
? >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
? little as I
? >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
? >>
? >>
? _______________________________________________
? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
? DeTomaso mailing list
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? To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
? use the links above.
? Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
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? message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
? list.
? They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or
? approve the archiving of list messages.
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? -------------- next part --------------
? ? ? If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
? ? ? pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
? ? ? Tomas
? ? ? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
? ? ? ? ? From: Dave Londry [[1022]davel at emspace.com]
? ? ? Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
? ? ? To: [1023]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? ? ? I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
? wondering
? ? ? if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by
cauterizing
? the
? ? ? retinas of the oncoming driver.
? ? ? Jeff touched on this point.
? ? ? I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
? ? ? Dave
? ? ? On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
? ? ? > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp
design.
? ? ? > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output
lumens,
? ? ? pattern function and temperature.
? ? ? > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro
designed
? ? ? light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1,
H-4
? ? ? bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could
have
? ever
? ? ? dreamed of producing.
? ? ? > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all
the
? ? ? time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
w,
? a
? ? ? H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
? will
? ? ? shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
? ? ? > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are
designed
? as
? ? ? as team with the LED.
? ? ? >
? ? ? > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament
or
? a
? ? ? glass bulb containing sodium
? ? ? > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
? ? ? relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
? ? ? >
? ? ? > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
? flat
? ? ? surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
? light
? ? ? beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
? ? ? > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to
take
? the
? ? ? place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a
company
? ? ? that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
? ? ? you are in business.
? ? ? >
? ? ? >
? ? ? > Jeff Cobb- I pad
? ? ? >
? ? ? > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
? <[1024]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
? ? ? wrote:
? ? ? >
? ? ? >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
? putting
? ? ? a xenon
? ? ? >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as
effective
? as
? ? ? if the
? ? ? >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
? ? ? beams, which
? ? ? >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
? ? ? >> -----Original Message-----
? ? ? >> From: DeTomaso
? [[18][1025]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
? ? ? Behalf
? ? ? >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
? ? ? >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
? ? ? >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
? ? ? >> Cc: [1026]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? ? ? >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >> Hi Jeff,
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He
told
? me
? ? ? that the
? ? ? >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
? produce
? ? ? the
? ? ? >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also
said
? that
? ? ? all
? ? ? >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have
had
? for
? ? ? years.
? ? ? >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
? different
? ? ? >> manufactures.
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >> -----Original Message-----
? ? ? >> From: DeTomaso
? [[19][1027]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
? ? ? Behalf
? ? ? >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
? ? ? >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
? ? ? >> To: DeTomaso List
? ? ? >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
? company
? ? ? to
? ? ? >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
? units.
? ? ? They
? ? ? >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using
the
? ? ? same.
? ? ? >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For
as
? ? ? little as I
? ? ? >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
? ? ? >>
? ? ? >>
? ? ? _______________________________________________
? ? ? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
? ? ? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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? ? ?
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? ------------------------------
? Message: 7
? Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
? From: MSM Contractors <[1030]david at msmcontractors.org>
? To: Tomas Gunnarsson <[1031]guson at home.se>
? Cc: [1032]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? Message-ID:
<7B98FED4-77F1-43C6-9318-[1033]615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org>
? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
? That was high beam?..
? > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[1034]guson at home.se>
wrote:
? >
? >? If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
? >? pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
? >
? >? Tomas
? >? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
? >? ? ? From: Dave Londry [[1035]davel at emspace.com]
? >? Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
? >? To: [1036]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? >? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >? I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
? wondering
? >? if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
? the
? >? retinas of the oncoming driver.
? >? Jeff touched on this point.
? >? I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
? >? Dave
? >? On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
? >> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
? >> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
? >? pattern function and temperature.
? >> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
? >? light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
? >? bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
? ever
? >? dreamed of producing.
? >> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
? >? time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
? w, a
? >? H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
? will
? >? shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
? >> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
? >? as team with the LED.
? >>
? >> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
? >? glass bulb containing sodium
? >> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
? >? relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
? >>
? >> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
? >? surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
? light
? >? beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
? >> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
? >? place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a
company
? >? that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
? then
? >? you are in business.
? >>
? >>
? >> Jeff Cobb- I pad
? >>
? >> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
? <[1037]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
? >? wrote:
? >>
? >>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
? >? a xenon
? >>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
? >? if the
? >>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
? >>>
? >>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
? >? beams, which
? >>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
? >>> -----Original Message-----
? >>> From: DeTomaso
? [[21][1038]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
? >? Behalf
? >>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
? >>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
? >>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
? >>> Cc: [1039]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >>>
? >>> Hi Jeff,
? >>>
? >>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
? >? that the
? >>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
? >? the
? >>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
? that
? >? all
? >>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
? for
? >? years.
? >>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
? >>>
? >>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
? >>> manufactures.
? >>>
? >>>
? >>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
? >>>
? >>>
? >>>
? >>>
? >>> -----Original Message-----
? >>> From: DeTomaso
? [[22][1040]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
? >? Behalf
? >>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
? >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
? >>> To: DeTomaso List
? >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
? >>>
? >>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
? >? to
? >>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
? >? They
? >>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
? >? same.
? >>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
? >? little as I
? >>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
? >>>
? >>>
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? From: Mike Drew <[1045]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
? To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[1046]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
? Cc: Detomaso Email List <[1047]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
? Message-ID: <2BC46E79-666A-41AA-83BB-[1048]30981077FA40 at aol.com>
? Content-Type: text/plain;? ? ? charset=us-ascii
? Chuck,
? The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from
euro
? GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
? bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
? RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
? I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he
owned
? it....
? Mike
? Sent from my iPhone
? On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
? <[1049]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
? > It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
? > Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
? got a
? > quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
? license
? > plate - did it used to be white?
? >
? >
? >
? >
[25][1050]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
? >
? >
? >
? > Plate GTS 5W ?
? >
? > White?? Yes.? Back when new in GB...
? > It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
? Waltz".
? >
? > But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for
this
? car.
? > If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
? to the entry.
? > Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
? work.
? >
? > Chuck
? >
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? From: Mike Drew <[1053]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
? To: DeTomaso Mail List <[1054]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
? Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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? Guys,
? thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
? Mike
? > Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
? >
? > From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
? >
? >
? > Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
? >
? > The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
? [27][1056]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
? -------------- next part --------------
? ? ? Guys,
? ? ? thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
? ? ? Mike
? ? ? Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
? ? ? From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
? ? ? Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
? ? ? The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
? ? ? [1][1057]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
? References
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? 8. [1068]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
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Seems like recommendations should be based on the planned use?
__________________________________________________________________
From: Julian Kift <[1092]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <[1093]ace595 at hotmail.com>;
"[1094]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1095]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my
concern
would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time
before
you are into a full rebuild. It's good that you caught the #5
cylinder
crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being
driven.
That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
internals that may be reusable right now.
As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding
good
core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down
some
serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
Julian
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behalf of
tom ware <[2][1097]ace595 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:03:23 AM
To: [3][1098]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave,
Haledon
NJ 07508
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1. Re: NPC - and just a bit of car stuff (MSM Contractors)
2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
(The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[15][1110]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Jeff Detrich <[16][1111]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: [17][1112]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
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Perfect!
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich
<[19][1114]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
[4][20][1115]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_102
071985
3734
911
>
6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
> D30
>
> Nice sentiment.A
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
many
> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>
> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling
Green,
> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it
fed
the
> people who made the components that went into it,
>
> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
trucks
> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
from
> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
dealership
> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really
don't
> know how many people it fed.
>
> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
When
> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give
them
> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>
> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something
of
> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
shoving
> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[23][1118]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[24][1119]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video
of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[6][25][1120]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.
be
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found
this
video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
[7][26][1121]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.
be
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[27][1122]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles McCall'" <[28][1123]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso
Email
List'" <[29][1124]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[8][31][1125]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.
be
Plate GTS 5W ?
White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to
the entry.
Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
Chuck
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
From: Dave Londry <[32][1126]davel at emspace.com>
To: [33][1127]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[35][1129]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[9][1130]mailto:[36]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [37][1131]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[10][1132]mailto:[38]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[39][1133]Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Dave Londry'" <[40][1134]davel at emspace.com>,
<[41][1135]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <[42]4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dave,
I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
high
beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
high
beams, you need more power!
Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso
[[11][1136]mailto:[43]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: [44][1137]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern
function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light
housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs
and
have
much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time,
most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
210 w
single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
blast a
massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as
team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass
bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative
to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam
pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place
of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates
the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[45][1138]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if
the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[12][1139]mailto:[46]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [47][1140]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that
the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[13][1141]mailto:[48]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as
I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[51][1144]guson at home.se>
To: <[52][1145]davel at emspace.com>
Cc: [53][1146]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[55][1148]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [56][1149]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you
are
in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[57][1150]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[15][1151]mailto:[58]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [59][1152]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[16][1153]mailto:[60]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[63][1156]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [64][1157]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by
cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp
design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output
lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro
designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1,
H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could
have
ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all
the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are
designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament
or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to
take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a
company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[65][1158]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as
effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[18][1159]mailto:[66]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [67][1160]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He
told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also
said
that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have
had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[19][1161]mailto:[68]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using
the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For
as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[71][1164]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <[72][1165]guson at home.se>
Cc: [73][1166]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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That was high beam?..
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson
<[75][1168]guson at home.se>
wrote:
>
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [[76][1169]davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: [77][1170]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a
company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[78][1171]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[21][1172]mailto:[79]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: [80][1173]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[22][1174]mailto:[81]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[86][1179]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[87][1180]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <[88][1181]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Chuck,
The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from
euro
GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he
owned
it....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<[90][1183]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
>
[25][91][1184]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu
.be
>
>
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
>
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
>
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for
this
car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[94][1187]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <[95][1188]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[27][97][1190]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
-------------- next part --------------
Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1][98][1191]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 14:15:52 -0600
From: Jeff Cobb <[1358]jeffcobb1 at me.com>
To: Mike Drew <[1359]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[1360]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Thanks Mike,
Jeff Cobb
On Jan 5, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[1362]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Guys,
>
> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
>
> Mike
>
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
> [1][1363]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>
> References
>
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Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 12:18:52 -0800
From: [1367]audionut at hushmail.com
To: [1368]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Sweet. Thanks Mike! The Mangusta. So absolutely deadly. All those
crazy James Bond toggle switches on the dash are just too cool. What
the hell are they for? Who cares! Gotta love the 8-track player
too. Hopefully the guy continues to resist the temptation to
modernize that.
Sent using Hushmail
On January 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso" wrote:Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1370]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Sweet. Thanks Mike!
The Mangusta. So absolutely deadly.
All those crazy James Bond toggle switches on the dash are just too
cool. What the hell are they for? Who cares!
Gotta love the 8-track player too. Hopefully the guy continues to
resist the temptation to modernize that.
Sent using Hushmail
On January 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
<[1371]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Joaberga|
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1][1372]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 10:26:52 -1000
From: "Scott Mead Photography" <[1374]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
To: <[1375]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
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Aloha All,
I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the
hopes
of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to
408-427,
supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here
before.
However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview
mirror.
Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower setup
on
their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine
screen
cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make that
much
power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear
decklid
for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
Mahalos in advance,
Scott
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Aloha All,
I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the
hopes of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking
to 408-427, supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been
covered here before. However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake
in my rearview mirror. Years ago, my father and grandfather had
Wilkinson's twin blower setup on their Panteras, and I really liked how
it fit beneath the L engine screen cover - they were the ultimate
sleepers. Is it possible to make that much power, yet keep everything
"stock" outside, but you open the rear decklid for the "HOLY S#!^"
reaction?
Mahalos in advance,
Scott
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415 Dairy Road, Ste. E-242
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 20:40:30 +0000
From: Julian Kift <[1387]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <[1388]ace595 at hotmail.com>,
"[1389]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1390]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Ken Green
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
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I thought Tom said he planned to use it in his Pantera project!
Per Tom this was a 'fully rebuilt' engine that has a cylinder wall
cracked after dyno runs, I don't think the recommendation would change
no matter how he intends to drive his Pantera, you have to question the
integrity of the other 7 cylinders.
Julian
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From: Ken Green <[1393]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:06:15 PM
To: Julian Kift; tom ware; [1394]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Seems like recommendations should be based on the planned use?
________________________________
From: Julian Kift <[1395]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <[1396]ace595 at hotmail.com>;
"[1397]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1398]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my concern
would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time before
you are into a full rebuild. It's good that you caught the #5 cylinder
crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being driven.
That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
internals that may be reusable right now.
As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding good
core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down some
serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso
<detomaso-[1399]bounces at server.detomasolist.com<[1400]mailto:detomaso-b
ounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of
tom ware <[1401]ace595 at hotmail.com<[1402]mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:03:23 AM
To:
[1403]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[1404]mailto:detomaso at server.det
omasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon
NJ 07508
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I thought Tom said he planned to use it in his Pantera project!
Per Tom this was a 'fully rebuilt' engine that has a cylinder wall
cracked after dyno runs, I don't think the recommendation would change
no matter how he intends to drive his Pantera, you have to question the
integrity of the other 7 cylinders.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Ken Green <[1405]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:06:15 PM
To: Julian Kift; tom ware; [1406]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Seems like recommendations should be based on the planned use?
__________________________________________________________________
From: Julian Kift <[1407]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <[1408]ace595 at hotmail.com>;
"[1409]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1410]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my
concern
would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time
before
you are into a full rebuild. It's good that you caught the #5
cylinder
crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being
driven.
That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
internals that may be reusable right now.
As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding
good
core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down
some
serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-[1411]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
tom ware <[2][1412]ace595 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:03:23 AM
To: [3][1413]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave,
Haledon
NJ 07508
References
1. [1414]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
2. [1415]mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com
3. [1416]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 20:46:17 +0000
From: Julian Kift <[1417]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Scott Mead Photography <[1418]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>,
"[1419]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1420]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
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You can make 500HP with a naturally aspirated 351C engine that looks
fairly stock, now that is the ultimate sleeper. It's just a matter of
selecting the right combination of parts, and you don't even really
need to stroke it, although I have a personal preponderance toward a
393CI stroker.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[1422]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of Scott Mead Photography <[1423]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:26:52 PM
To: [1424]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
Aloha All,
I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the
hopes
of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to
408-427,
supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here
before.
However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview
mirror.
Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower setup
on
their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine
screen
cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make that
much
power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear
decklid
for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
Mahalos in advance,
Scott
______________________
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Kahului, HI 96732
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F: 808-573-6876
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[1426]scott at scottmeadphotography.com
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You can make 500HP with a naturally aspirated 351C engine that looks
fairly stock, now that is the ultimate sleeper. It's just a matter of
selecting the right combination of parts, and you don't even really
need to stroke it, although I have a personal preponderance toward a
393CI stroker.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[1430]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
Scott Mead Photography <[1431]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:26:52 PM
To: [1432]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
Aloha All,
I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the
hopes
of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to
408-427,
supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here
before.
However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview
mirror.
Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower setup
on
their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine
screen
cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make that
much
power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear
decklid
for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
Mahalos in advance,
Scott
______________________
Scott Mead Photography
415 Dairy Road, Ste. E-242
Kahului, HI 96732
T: 808-573-6875
F: 808-573-6876
e: <[1][1433]mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
[1434]scott at scottmeadphotography.com
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 12:50:26 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[1441]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Mike Drew'" <[1442]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: DeTomaso List <[1443]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Mike,
Of the 7 DeTomaso cars in South Africa (in the registry), this would be
8MA520.
Nice video... had to ignore the 'visor' - grin.
Chuck
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg.
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1444]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 15:58:40 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[1445]Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Scott Mead Photography'" <[1446]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>,
<[1447]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
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<<they were the ultimate sleepers>>
A Pantera looks fast sitting on blocks, can it ever be a sleeper?
Larry (nap time) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[1448]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
Of Scott Mead Photography
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 3:27 PM
To: [1449]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
Aloha All,
I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the
hopes
of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to
408-427,
supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here
before.
However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview
mirror.
Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower setup
on
their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine
screen
cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make that
much
power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear
decklid
for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
Mahalos in advance,
Scott
______________________
Scott Mead Photography
415 Dairy Road, Ste. E-242
Kahului, HI 96732
T: 808-573-6875
F: 808-573-6876
e: <[1450]mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
[1451]scott at scottmeadphotography.com
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 13:00:27 -0800
From: Brent Stewart <[1455]bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
To: Julian Kift <[1456]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "[1457]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1458]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
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Lol, a Pantera sleeper! Ya, no one will suspect you at all! ;-)
That said, I've got 550+ at the flywheel with a 392. Happy to send
specs.
Brent
> On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Julian Kift
<[1460]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> You can make 500HP with a naturally aspirated 351C engine that looks
> fairly stock, now that is the ultimate sleeper. It's just a matter of
> selecting the right combination of parts, and you don't even really
> need to stroke it, although I have a personal preponderance toward a
> 393CI stroker.
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[1461]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
> Scott Mead Photography <[1462]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:26:52 PM
> To: [1463]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
>
> Aloha All,
>
> I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the
> hopes
> of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to
> 408-427,
> supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here
> before.
> However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview
> mirror.
> Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower
setup
> on
> their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine
> screen
> cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make that
> much
> power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear
> decklid
> for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
>
> Mahalos in advance,
>
> Scott
>
> ______________________
> Scott Mead Photography
> 415 Dairy Road, Ste. E-242
> Kahului, HI 96732
> T: 808-573-6875
> F: 808-573-6876
> e: <[1][1464]mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
> [1465]scott at scottmeadphotography.com
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 13:27:20 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[1474]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Brent Stewart <[1475]bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
Cc: "[1476]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1477]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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Scott,
Brent's motor has bling that can be seen from outer space and his
intake setup is so tall you almost have to cut a hole in the roof to
remove the air cleaner nut! :)
I have a 539 HP, 509 ft/lb 'sleeper' engine thanks to Dan Jones/Dave
McLain with a conventional round air cleaner that neatly fits beneath
the stock engine screen. There are several parts combos that will take
you there without having to resort to any trickery. Intakes, heads and
cams are much better now than they were 20 years ago.
Remember, too, you can't drive a dyno. 540 HP that is accessible
whenever you want and is flexible and controllable is infinitely better
than 600 hp that comes on like a light switch, and is ill-behaved and
cantankerous to live with...
Mike
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 5, 2017, at 13:00, Brent Stewart via DeTomaso
<[1479]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Lol, a Pantera sleeper! Ya, no one will suspect you at all! ;-)
>
> That said, I've got 550+ at the flywheel with a 392. Happy to send
specs.
>
> Brent
>
>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Julian Kift
<[1480]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You can make 500HP with a naturally aspirated 351C engine that looks
>> fairly stock, now that is the ultimate sleeper. It's just a matter
of
>> selecting the right combination of parts, and you don't even really
>> need to stroke it, although I have a personal preponderance toward a
>> 393CI stroker.
>>
>> Julian
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[1481]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
>> Scott Mead Photography <[1482]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:26:52 PM
>> To: [1483]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
>>
>> Aloha All,
>>
>> I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the
>> hopes
>> of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to
>> 408-427,
>> supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here
>> before.
>> However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview
>> mirror.
>> Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower
setup
>> on
>> their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine
>> screen
>> cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make that
>> much
>> power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear
>> decklid
>> for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
>>
>> Mahalos in advance,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> ______________________
>> Scott Mead Photography
>> 415 Dairy Road, Ste. E-242
>> Kahului, HI 96732
>> T: 808-573-6875
>> F: 808-573-6876
>> e: <[1][1484]mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>> [1485]scott at scottmeadphotography.com
>> w: <[2][1486]http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/>
>> [3][1487]http://www.scottmeadphotography.com
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>> attached is confidential and the property of Scott Mead Photography,
>> Inc. If
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>> message and any attachments, as well as copying, forwarding,
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 21:40:08 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ken Green <[1496]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: Julian Kift <[1497]julian_kift at hotmail.com>, tom ware
<[1498]ace595 at hotmail.com>, "[1499]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1500]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
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I was thinking the difference between an occasional 0 to 100 bash (drag
race stuff)?versus a few laps at a track day.?
Ken
From: Julian Kift <[1502]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <[1503]ace595 at hotmail.com>;
"[1504]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1505]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Ken Green
<[1506]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
<!--#yiv4173618488 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}-->I thought?Tom
said he planned to use it in his Pantera project!
Per Tom this was a 'fully rebuilt' engine that has a cylinder wall
cracked after dyno runs, I don't think the recommendation would change
no matter how he intends to drive his Pantera, you have to question the
integrity of the other 7 cylinders.
Julian
?From: Ken Green <[1507]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:06:15 PM
To: Julian Kift; tom ware; [1508]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5?Seems like
recommendations should be based on the planned use??
From: Julian Kift <[1509]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <[1510]ace595 at hotmail.com>;
"[1511]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1512]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
? A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my
concern
? would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
? cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time
before
? you are into a full rebuild.? It's good that you caught the #5
cylinder
? crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being
driven.
? That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
? internals that may be reusable right now.
? As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
? have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding
good
? core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down
some
? serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
? Julian
? ? __________________________________________________________________
? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[1513]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
? tom ware <[1514]ace595 at hotmail.com>
? Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:03:23 AM
? To: [1515]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
? Question for the fellow owners?
? the project I purchased? came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
? dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
? after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
? the cooling system !? so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
? bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
? or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
? Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
? Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave,
Haledon
? NJ 07508
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I was thinking the difference between an occasional 0 to 100 bash (drag
race stuff) versus a few laps at a track day.
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: Julian Kift <[1516]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <[1517]ace595 at hotmail.com>;
"[1518]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1519]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Ken Green
<[1520]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
I thought Tom said he planned to use it in his Pantera project!
Per Tom this was a 'fully rebuilt' engine that has a cylinder wall
cracked after dyno runs, I don't think the recommendation would change
no matter how he intends to drive his Pantera, you have to question the
integrity of the other 7 cylinders.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Ken Green <[1521]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:06:15 PM
To: Julian Kift; tom ware; [1522]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Seems like recommendations should be based on the planned use?
__________________________________________________________________
From: Julian Kift <[1523]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <[1524]ace595 at hotmail.com>;
"[1525]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1526]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my
concern
would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time
before
you are into a full rebuild. It's good that you caught the #5
cylinder
crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being
driven.
That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
internals that may be reusable right now.
As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding
good
core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down
some
serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-[1527]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
tom ware <[2][1528]ace595 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:03:23 AM
To: [3][1529]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave,
Haledon
NJ 07508
References
1. [1530]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
2. [1531]mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com
3. [1532]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 15:46:33 -0600
From: Daniel C Jones <[1533]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
Cc: "[1534]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1535]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
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> I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine screen cover
We've done it several ways, typically on 393C or 408C strokers though
it
can be done on stock displacement engines if you want to spin them to a
higher RPM (gives up some manners for a street car). One was using the
over-the-counter Holley carb pattern aluminum Ford dual plane intake on
a
408C with closed chamber iron 4V heads with hydraulic roller camshaft.
Note the Ford intake had four good runners and 4 bad runners so spent
some
time on the flow bench bringing the bad runners up to match the good.
Another way is with Scott Cook's aluminum dual plane which is a dead
ringer
for a Ford Cleveland dual plane, right down to the Ford logo and
casting
codes. It works with Scott's own heads, Ford iron 4V heads, CHI 4V or
Ford
Motorsport A3 heads. On my 403C, we made 569 HP and 512 ft-lbs through
the
mufflers with Scott's dual plane and a pair of unported A3 heads with a
street-friendly hydraulic roller cam. It can also be done with the
TFS-2V
heads and a Holley Street Dominator 2V (OEM for the smog legal
Amerisport
Panteras). The level carb pad version of the Blue Thunder will also
work
with some minor porting. The 408C we did for Mike Drew's made over 525+
HP
with a Blue Thunder and CHI 4V heads. The Blue Thunder intake manifold
is
just about the limit that will fit under an L engine screen with a drop
base air cleaner. Mike McDougal's 393C with CHI 4V heads and ported
flat
pad Blue Thunder (doesn't fit under his pre-L engine screen) put down
well
over 400 RWHP through somewhat restrictive mufflers. At these sort of
horsepower levels, the mufflers are very important. You'll lose 50+ HP
through stock ANSA mufflers.
For reference, here are some A/B measurements I made. The measurements
represent the drop from a straight edge laid across the carb pad to the
closest point where the end rail bends inward (each end). Measurements
are
in inches.
Ford aluminum 4V........................3 1/4.....4 3/8
Offenhauser 360 4V......................3 1/2.....4 1/2
Edelbrock F-351 & Performer 2V/4V.......3 1/2.....4 3/8
Weiand Xcelerator 2V....................4 3/16....5 1/8
Holley Strip Dominator..................4 5/16....5 3/8
Blue Thunder (canted pad version).......4 7/16....5 3/8
Scott Cook (canted pad version).........3 3/4.....5
Edelbrock Performer RPM Air Gap 2V......4 1/2.....5 5/8
Weiand tunnel Ram.......................9 1/16....9 3/8
A331 (raised floor Edelbrock Torker)....4 3/8.....5 5/16
A351....................................6 3/4.....6 3/4
Dan Jones
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> I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine screen cover
We've done it several ways, typically on 393C or 408C strokers though
it can be done on stock displacement engines if you want to spin them
to a higher RPM (gives up some manners for a street car).A One was
using the over-the-counter Holley carb pattern aluminum Ford dual plane
intake on a 408C with closed chamber iron 4V heads with hydraulic
roller camshaft.A Note the Ford intake had four good runners and 4 bad
runners so spent some time on the flow bench bringing the bad runners
up to match the good.A Another way is with Scott Cook's aluminum dual
plane which is a dead ringer for a Ford Cleveland dual plane, right
down to the Ford logo and casting codes.A It works with Scott's own
heads, Ford iron 4V heads, CHI 4V or Ford Motorsport A3 heads.A On my
403C, we made 569 HP and 512 ft-lbs through the mufflers with Scott's
dual plane and a pair of unported A3 heads with a street-friendly
hydraulic roller cam.A It can also be done with the TFS-2V heads and a
Holley Street Dominator 2V (OEM for the smog legal Amerisport
Panteras).A The level carb pad version of the Blue Thunder will also
work with some minor porting.A The 408C we did for Mike Drew's made
over 525+ HP with a Blue Thunder and CHI 4V heads.A The Blue Thunder
intake manifold is just about the limit that will fit under an L engine
screen with a drop base air cleaner.A Mike McDougal's 393C with CHI 4V
heads and ported flat pad Blue Thunder (doesn't fit under his pre-L
engine screen) put down well over 400 RWHP through somewhat restrictive
mufflers.A At these sort of horsepower levels, the mufflers are very
important.A You'll lose 50+ HP through stock ANSA mufflers.A
For reference, here are some A/B measurements I made.A The
measurements represent the drop from a straight edge laid across the
carb pad to the closest point where the end rail bends inward (each
end).A Measurements are in inches.
Ford aluminum 4V........................3 1/4.....4 3/8
Offenhauser 360 4V......................3 1/2.....4 1/2
Edelbrock F-351 & Performer 2V/4V.......3 1/2.....4 3/8
Weiand Xcelerator 2V....................4 3/16....5 1/8
Holley Strip Dominator..................4 5/16....5 3/8
Blue Thunder (canted pad version).......4 7/16....5 3/8
Scott Cook (canted pad version).........3 3/4.....5
Edelbrock Performer RPM Air Gap 2V......4 1/2.....5 5/8
Weiand tunnel Ram.......................9 1/16....9 3/8
A331 (raised floor Edelbrock Torker)....4 3/8.....5 5/16
A351....................................6 3/4.....6 3/4
Dan Jones
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 21:53:44 +0000 (UTC)
From: Brent Stewart <[1537]bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
To: Mike Drew <[1538]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: "[1539]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1540]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
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Jealousy is an ugly emotion...
On Thursday, January 5, 2017 1:27 PM, Mike Drew
<[1542]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
Scott,
Brent's motor has bling that can be seen from outer space and his
intake setup is so tall you almost have to cut a hole in the roof to
remove the air cleaner nut! :)
I have a 539 HP, 509 ft/lb 'sleeper' engine thanks to Dan Jones/Dave
McLain with a conventional round air cleaner that neatly fits beneath
the stock engine screen. There are several parts combos that will take
you there without having to resort to any trickery. Intakes, heads and
cams are much better now than they were 20 years ago.
Remember, too, you can't drive a dyno. 540 HP that is accessible
whenever you want and is flexible and controllable is infinitely better
than 600 hp that comes on like a light switch, and is ill-behaved and
cantankerous to live with...
Mike
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 5, 2017, at 13:00, Brent Stewart via DeTomaso
<[1543]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Lol, a Pantera sleeper! Ya, no one will suspect you at all! ;-)
>
> That said, I've got 550+ at the flywheel with a 392. Happy to send
specs.
>
> Brent
>
>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Julian Kift
<[1544]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>? You can make 500HP with a naturally aspirated 351C engine that
looks
>>? fairly stock, now that is the ultimate sleeper. It's just a matter
of
>>? selecting the right combination of parts, and you don't even really
>>? need to stroke it, although I have a personal preponderance toward
a
>>? 393CI stroker.
>>
>>? Julian
>>? ?
__________________________________________________________________
>>
>>? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[1545]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
>>? Scott Mead Photography <[1546]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>>? Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:26:52 PM
>>? To: [1547]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>? Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
>>
>>? Aloha All,
>>
>>? I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with
the
>>? hopes
>>? of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to
>>? 408-427,
>>? supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here
>>? before.
>>? However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview
>>? mirror.
>>? Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower
setup
>>? on
>>? their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine
>>? screen
>>? cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make
that
>>? much
>>? power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear
>>? decklid
>>? for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
>>
>>? Mahalos in advance,
>>
>>? Scott
>>
>>? ______________________
>>? Scott Mead Photography
>>? 415 Dairy Road, Ste. E-242
>>? Kahului, HI 96732
>>? T: 808-573-6875
>>? F: 808-573-6876
>>? e:? <[1][1548]mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
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Jealousy is an ugly emotion...
On Thursday, January 5, 2017 1:27 PM, Mike Drew
<[1560]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
wrote:
Scott,
Brent's motor has bling that can be seen from outer space and his
intake setup is so tall you almost have to cut a hole in the roof to
remove the air cleaner nut! :)
I have a 539 HP, 509 ft/lb 'sleeper' engine thanks to Dan Jones/Dave
McLain with a conventional round air cleaner that neatly fits beneath
the stock engine screen. There are several parts combos that will take
you there without having to resort to any trickery. Intakes, heads and
cams are much better now than they were 20 years ago.
Remember, too, you can't drive a dyno. 540 HP that is accessible
whenever you want and is flexible and controllable is infinitely better
than 600 hp that comes on like a light switch, and is ill-behaved and
cantankerous to live with...
Mike
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 5, 2017, at 13:00, Brent Stewart via DeTomaso
<[1][1561]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Lol, a Pantera sleeper! Ya, no one will suspect you at all! ;-)
>
> That said, I've got 550+ at the flywheel with a 392. Happy to send
specs.
>
> Brent
>
>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Julian Kift
<[2][1562]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You can make 500HP with a naturally aspirated 351C engine that
looks
>> fairly stock, now that is the ultimate sleeper. It's just a matter
of
>> selecting the right combination of parts, and you don't even really
>> need to stroke it, although I have a personal preponderance toward
a
>> 393CI stroker.
>>
>> Julian
>>
__________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-[1563]bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
on
behalf of
>> Scott Mead Photography <[4][1564]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:26:52 PM
>> To: [5][1565]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
>>
>> Aloha All,
>>
>> I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with
the
>> hopes
>> of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to
>> 408-427,
>> supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here
>> before.
>> However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview
>> mirror.
>> Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower
setup
>> on
>> their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine
>> screen
>> cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make
that
>> much
>> power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear
>> decklid
>> for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
>>
>> Mahalos in advance,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> ______________________
>> Scott Mead Photography
>> 415 Dairy Road, Ste. E-242
>> Kahului, HI 96732
>> T: 808-573-6875
>> F: 808-573-6876
>> e: <[1][1566]mailto:[6]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>> [7][1567]scott at scottmeadphotography.com
>> w: <[2][8][1568]http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/>
>> [3][9][1569]http://www.scottmeadphotography.com
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and/or
>> otherwise authorized personnel. The information contained herein
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>> attached is confidential and the property of Scott Mead
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9. [1586]http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 13:05:14 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[1595]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: tom ware <[1596]ace595 at hotmail.com>
Cc: "[1597]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1598]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Message-ID: <C55C6666-7836-433A-AA72-[1599]60932D8D2A71 at aol.com>
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Tom,
Conventional wisdom has it that .030 is the most you can safely go on a
351C and even that is pushing it. Some makers sell .060 pistons, which
is a joke. Sonic-testing the block is a must before it gets anywhere
near a boring bar, lest you wind up with results like yours.
In my case, the block I got would clean up at .030 over but sonic
testing revealed one cylinder had especially thin walls, so that hole
was sleeved prior to the engine being built.
In your case, your existing block might be just as good/bad as the next
one. Only sonic testing will reveal the truth. Once that is done, you
can make an educated decision as to whether the block should be
salvaged and that one hole sleeved, or if it should be replaced.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 5, 2017, at 11:03 AM, tom ware <[1600]ace595 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Question for the fellow owners?
>
> the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
> dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
>
> after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
> the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
> bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
>
> or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
>
> Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
> Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave,
Haledon
> NJ 07508
> [1][1601]Ace595 at hotmail.com | [2][1602]www.acesecurity.net
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> 2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
> 3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
> (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
> 4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
> 5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
> 6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> 7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
> 8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
> 9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
> From: MSM Contractors <[1611]david at msmcontractors.org>
> To: Jeff Detrich <[1612]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Cc: [1613]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
> Message-ID:
<E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-[1614]E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Perfect!
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <[1615]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>
>
[4][1616]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719
853734
> 911
>>
>
6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
>> D30
>>
>> Nice sentiment.A
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> 6559
>>
>> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
> many
>> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>>
>> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
>> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
> the
>> people who made the components that went into it,
>>
>> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
>> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
> trucks
>> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
> from
>> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
> dealership
>> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
>> know how many people it fed.
>>
>> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
> When
>> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
>> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
>> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>>
>> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
>> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
> shoving
>> something down your throat that you never asked for.
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
> From: Charles McCall <[1619]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> To: "Detomaso Email List" <[1620]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
> Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
> video
> of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
> got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
> license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
> [6][1621]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
> video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
> Combe.
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
> Only
> got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
> Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
> [7][1622]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
> ------------------------------
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
> From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[1623]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
> To: "'Charles McCall'" <[1624]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso
Email
> List'" <[1625]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
> Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
> got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
> license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
> [8][1626]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
> car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to
> the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
> Chuck
> ------------------------------
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
> From: Dave Londry <[1627]davel at emspace.com>
> To: [1628]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-[1629]a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[1630]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[9][1631]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: [1632]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
> that all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[10][1633]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
> ------------------------------
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
> From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[1634]Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
> To: "'Dave Londry'" <[1635]davel at emspace.com>,
> <[1636]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> Dave,
> I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
> high
> beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
> high
> beams, you need more power!
> Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[11][1637]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Dave Londry
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
> To: [1638]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern
> function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light
> housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs
and
> have
> much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
> producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time,
> most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
> 210 w
> single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
> blast a
> massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as
> team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass
> bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative
> to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam
> pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place
> of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
> locates
> the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
> business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[1639]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a
> xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if
> the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams,
> which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[12][1640]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: [1641]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that
> the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
> that all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[13][1642]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as
> I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[1645]guson at home.se>
> To: <[1646]davel at emspace.com>
> Cc: [1647]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> Message-ID: <[1648]4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [[1649]davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: [1650]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs
> and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that
> locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you
are
> in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[1651]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a
> xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams,
> which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[15][1652]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: [1653]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[16][1654]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
> _______________________________________________
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> -------------- next part --------------
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [[1657]davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: [1658]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
> wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
> the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
> ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
> a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
> will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
> as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
> a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
> flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
> light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
> the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
> <[1659]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
> putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
> as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
> [[18][1660]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: [1661]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
> me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
> produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
> that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
> for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
> different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
> [[19][1662]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
> company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
> units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
> From: MSM Contractors <[1665]david at msmcontractors.org>
> To: Tomas Gunnarsson <[1666]guson at home.se>
> Cc: [1667]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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> That was high beam?..
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[1669]guson at home.se>
wrote:
>>
>> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>>
>> Tomas
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> From: Dave Londry [[1670]davel at emspace.com]
>> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>> To: [1671]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
> wondering
>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
> the
>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>> Jeff touched on this point.
>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>> Dave
>>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>> pattern function and temperature.
>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
> ever
>> dreamed of producing.
>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
> w, a
>> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
> will
>> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
>> as team with the LED.
>>>
>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
>> glass bulb containing sodium
>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>
>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
> light
>> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
>> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
> then
>> you are in business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
> <[1672]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
>> a xenon
>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
>> if the
>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>
>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>> beams, which
>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
> [[21][1673]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>> Cc: [1674]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
>> that the
>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
>> the
>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
> that
>> all
>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
> for
>> years.
>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>>> manufactures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
> [[22][1675]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
>> to
>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
>> They
>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>> same.
>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>> little as I
>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
> From: Mike Drew <[1680]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[1681]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
> Cc: Detomaso Email List <[1682]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
> Message-ID: <2BC46E79-666A-41AA-83BB-[1683]30981077FA40 at aol.com>
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> Chuck,
> The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from
euro
> GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
> bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
> RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
> I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he
owned
> it....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
> <[1684]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
> got a
>> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
> license
>> plate - did it used to be white?
>>
>>
>>
>>
[25][1685]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>>
>>
>>
>> Plate GTS 5W ?
>>
>> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
>> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
> Waltz".
>>
>> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
> car.
>> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
> to the entry.
>> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
> work.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
> From: Mike Drew <[1688]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: DeTomaso Mail List <[1689]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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> Guys,
> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
> Mike
>> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>>
>> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>>
>>
>> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>>
>> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
> [27][1691]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
> -------------- next part --------------
> Guys,
> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
> Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
> [1][1692]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
> References
> 1. [28][1693]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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> 1. [1696]mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com
> 2.
[1697]http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=outlook&signature_id=6
072763649359872
> 3. [1698]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 4.
[1699]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853
734911
> 5. [1700]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 6. [1701]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
> 7. [1702]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
> 8. [1703]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
> 9. [1704]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 10. [1705]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 11. [1706]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 12. [1707]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 13. [1708]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 14. [1709]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 15. [1710]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 16. [1711]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 17. [1712]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 18. [1713]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 19. [1714]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 20. [1715]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 21. [1716]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 22. [1717]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 23. [1718]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 24. [1719]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 25.
[1720]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
> 26. [1721]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 27. [1722]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
> 28. [1723]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
> 29. [1724]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 00:30:27 +0000
From: tom ware <[1727]ace595 at hotmail.com>
To: Mike Drew <[1728]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: "[1729]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1730]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Message-ID:
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Thank you everyone for your input and feed back
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 5, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Mike Drew <[1732]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> Conventional wisdom has it that .030 is the most you can safely go on
a 351C and even that is pushing it. Some makers sell .060 pistons,
which is a joke. Sonic-testing the block is a must before it gets
anywhere near a boring bar, lest you wind up with results like yours.
>
> In my case, the block I got would clean up at .030 over but sonic
testing revealed one cylinder had especially thin walls, so that hole
was sleeved prior to the engine being built.
>
> In your case, your existing block might be just as good/bad as the
next one. Only sonic testing will reveal the truth. Once that is done,
you can make an educated decision as to whether the block should be
salvaged and that one hole sleeved, or if it should be replaced.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 11:03 AM, tom ware <[1733]ace595 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Question for the fellow owners?
>>
>> the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
>> dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
>>
>> after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
>> the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
>> bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
>>
>> or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
>>
>> Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
>> Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave,
Haledon
>> NJ 07508
>> [1][1734]Ace595 at hotmail.com | [2][1735]www.acesecurity.net
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
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>> 2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
>> 3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>> (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
>> 4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
>> 5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
>> 6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
>> 7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
>> 8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
>> 9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
>> From: MSM Contractors <[1744]david at msmcontractors.org>
>> To: Jeff Detrich <[1745]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>> Cc: [1746]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
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>> Perfect!
>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich
<[1748]jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>
[4][1749]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719
853734
>> 911
>>>
>>
6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
>>> D30
>>>
>>> Nice sentiment.A
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> 6559
>>>
>>> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
>> many
>>> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>>>
>>> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
>>> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
>> the
>>> people who made the components that went into it,
>>>
>>> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
>>> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
>> trucks
>>> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
>> from
>>> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
>> dealership
>>> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
>>> know how many people it fed.
>>>
>>> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
>> When
>>> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
>>> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
>>> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>>>
>>> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
>>> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
>> shoving
>>> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
>> From: Charles McCall <[1752]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> To: "Detomaso Email List" <[1753]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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>> May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
>> video
>> of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
>> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
>> got a
>> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
>> license
>> plate - did it used to be white?
>>
>>
[6][1754]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
>> video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
>> Combe.
>> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
>> Only
>> got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
>> Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
>>
[7][1755]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
>> From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[1756]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Charles McCall'" <[1757]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso
Email
>> List'" <[1758]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>> Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
>> got a
>> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
>> license
>> plate - did it used to be white?
>>
>>
[8][1759]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>>
>> Plate GTS 5W ?
>> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
>> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
>> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
>> car.
>> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to
>> the entry.
>> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
>> Chuck
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
>> From: Dave Londry <[1760]davel at emspace.com>
>> To: [1761]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-[1762]a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>> Jeff touched on this point.
>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>> Dave
>>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>> pattern function and temperature.
>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
>> dreamed of producing.
>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
>> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
>> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
>> as team with the LED.
>>>
>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
>> glass bulb containing sodium
>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>
>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
>> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
>> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
>> you are in business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[1763]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
>> a xenon
>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
>> if the
>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>
>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>> beams, which
>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
[[9][1764]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On Behalf
>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>> Cc: [1765]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
>> that the
>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
>> the
>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
>> that all
>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
>> years.
>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>>> manufactures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
[[10][1766]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On Behalf
>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
>> to
>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
>> They
>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>> same.
>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>> little as I
>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
>> From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[1767]Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
>> To: "'Dave Londry'" <[1768]davel at emspace.com>,
>> <[1769]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> Dave,
>> I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
>> high
>> beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into
you
>> high
>> beams, you need more power!
>> Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[11][1770]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Dave Londry
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
>> To: [1771]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>> Jeff touched on this point.
>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>> Dave
>>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>> pattern
>> function and temperature.
>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>> light
>> housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs
and
>> have
>> much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
>> producing.
>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>> time,
>> most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
>> 210 w
>> single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
>> blast a
>> massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
>> as
>> team with the LED.
>>>
>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
>> glass
>> bulb containing sodium
>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>> relative
>> to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>
>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
>> beam
>> pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
>> place
>> of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
>> locates
>> the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
>> business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[1772]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
>> a
>> xenon
>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
>> if
>> the
>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>
>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>> beams,
>> which
>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
[[12][1773]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>> Cc: [1774]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
>> that
>> the
>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
>> the
>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
>> that all
>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
>> years.
>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>>> manufactures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
[[13][1775]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
>> to
>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
>> They
>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>> same.
>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>> little as
>> I
>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[1778]guson at home.se>
>> To: <[1779]davel at emspace.com>
>> Cc: [1780]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> Message-ID: <[1781]4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>> Tomas
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> From: Dave Londry [[1782]davel at emspace.com]
>> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>> To: [1783]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>> Jeff touched on this point.
>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>> Dave
>>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>> pattern function and temperature.
>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>> bulbs
>> and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
>> dreamed of producing.
>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
>> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
>> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
>> as team with the LED.
>>>
>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
>> glass bulb containing sodium
>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>
>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
>> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
>> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>> that
>> locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you
are
>> in business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[1784]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
>> a
>> xenon
>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
>> if the
>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>
>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>> beams,
>> which
>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
[[15][1785]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>> Cc: [1786]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
>> that the
>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
>> the
>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
>> all
>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
>> years.
>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>>> manufactures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
[[16][1787]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
>> to
>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
>> They
>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>> same.
>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>> little as I
>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>> Tomas
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> From: Dave Londry [[1790]davel at emspace.com]
>> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>> To: [1791]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
>> wondering
>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
>> the
>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>> Jeff touched on this point.
>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>> Dave
>>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>> pattern function and temperature.
>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
>> ever
>> dreamed of producing.
>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
>> a
>> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
>> will
>> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
>> as
>> as team with the LED.
>>>
>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
>> a
>> glass bulb containing sodium
>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>
>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
>> flat
>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
>> light
>> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
>> the
>> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
>> you are in business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
>> <[1792]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
>> putting
>> a xenon
>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
>> as
>> if the
>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>
>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>> beams, which
>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
>> [[18][1793]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>> Cc: [1794]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
>> me
>> that the
>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
>> produce
>> the
>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
>> that
>> all
>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
>> for
>> years.
>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
>> different
>>>> manufactures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
>> [[19][1795]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
>> company
>> to
>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
>> units.
>> They
>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>> same.
>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>> little as I
>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> [1796]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
>> etc.)
>> use the links above.
>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
>> any
>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
>> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
>> archive
>> or approve the archiving of list messages.
>> .
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
>> From: MSM Contractors <[1798]david at msmcontractors.org>
>> To: Tomas Gunnarsson <[1799]guson at home.se>
>> Cc: [1800]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> Message-ID:
<7B98FED4-77F1-43C6-9318-[1801]615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> That was high beam?..
>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[1802]guson at home.se>
wrote:
>>>
>>> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>>> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>> From: Dave Londry [[1803]davel at emspace.com]
>>> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>>> To: [1804]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
>> wondering
>>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
>> the
>>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>>> Jeff touched on this point.
>>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>>> Dave
>>>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>>> pattern function and temperature.
>>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>>> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>>> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
>> ever
>>> dreamed of producing.
>>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>>> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
>> w, a
>>> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
>> will
>>> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
>>> as team with the LED.
>>>>
>>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
>>> glass bulb containing sodium
>>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>>> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>>
>>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
>>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
>> light
>>> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
>>> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>>> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
>> then
>>> you are in business.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
>> <[1805]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
>>> a xenon
>>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
>>> if the
>>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>>
>>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>>> beams, which
>>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: DeTomaso
>> [[21][1806]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>>> Cc: [1807]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
>>> that the
>>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
>>> the
>>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
>> that
>>> all
>>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
>> for
>>> years.
>>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>>>>> manufactures.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: DeTomaso
>> [[22][1808]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
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>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>>
>>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
>>> to
>>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
>>> They
>>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>>> same.
>>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>>> little as I
>>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
>> From: Mike Drew <[1813]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[1814]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Detomaso Email List <[1815]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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>> Chuck,
>> The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from
euro
>> GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
>> bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted
to
>> RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
>> I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he
owned
>> it....
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
>> <[1817]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>>> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
>> got a
>>> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
>> license
>>> plate - did it used to be white?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
[25][1818]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Plate GTS 5W ?
>>>
>>> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
>>> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
>> Waltz".
>>>
>>> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for
this
>> car.
>>> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
>> to the entry.
>>> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
>> work.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
>> From: Mike Drew <[1821]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> To: DeTomaso Mail List <[1822]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
>> Message-ID: <7684BDF4-2A60-497B-8454-[1823]2E9524D83F6C at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> Guys,
>> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
>> Mike
>>> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>>>
>>> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>>>
>>> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
>> [27][1824]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Guys,
>> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
>> Mike
>> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
>> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
>> [1][1825]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>> References
>> 1. [28][1826]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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>> ****************************************
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. [1829]mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com
>> 2.
[1830]http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=outlook&signature_id=6
072763649359872
>> 3. [1831]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 4.
[1832]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853
734911
>> 5. [1833]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 6.
[1834]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>> 7.
[1835]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>> 8.
[1836]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>> 9. [1837]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 10. [1838]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 11. [1839]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 12. [1840]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 13. [1841]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 14. [1842]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 15. [1843]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 16. [1844]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 17. [1845]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 18. [1846]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 19. [1847]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 20. [1848]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 21. [1849]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 22. [1850]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 23. [1851]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 24. [1852]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 25.
[1853]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>> 26. [1854]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 27. [1855]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>> 28. [1856]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>> 29. [1857]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 01:46:55 +0000
From: Bill Lewis <[1860]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
To: "[1861]audionut at hushmail.com" <[1862]audionut at hushmail.com>,
"[1863]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1864]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
Message-ID:
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od.outlook.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I wonder why no one has ever shipped a car to Antartica, fired it up,
did a couple of donuts, and said: "I am the first!!" People have done
worse things just to be cool! ----So, somewhere in the world someone is
saying, "Holy Cow, hold my beer....!" ---BILL Lewis
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[1866]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of [1867]audionut at hushmail.com <[1868]audionut at hushmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:18 PM
To: [1869]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
Sweet. Thanks Mike! The Mangusta. So absolutely deadly. All those
crazy James Bond toggle switches on the dash are just too cool. What
the hell are they for? Who cares! Gotta love the 8-track player
too. Hopefully the guy continues to resist the temptation to
modernize that.
Sent using Hushmail
On January 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso" wrote:Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1870]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
De Tomaso Mangusta road tested<[1871]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM>
youtu.be
A rare opportunity to get up close and personal with an original De
Tomaso Mangusta ... and its sun visors. Of the 401 built, less than 200
still exist. This...
-------------- next part --------------
I wonder why no one has ever shipped a car to Antartica, fired it up,
did a couple of donuts, and said: "I am the first!!" People have done
worse things just to be cool! ----So, somewhere in the world someone
is saying, "Holy Cow, hold my beer....!" ---BILL Lewis
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[1872]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
[1873]audionut at hushmail.com <[1874]audionut at hushmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:18 PM
To: [1875]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
Sweet. Thanks Mike! The Mangusta. So absolutely deadly. All those
crazy James Bond toggle switches on the dash are just too cool. What
the hell are they for? Who cares! Gotta love the 8-track player
too. Hopefully the guy continues to resist the temptation to
modernize that.
Sent using Hushmail
On January 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso" wrote:Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1][1876]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
[2]De Tomaso Mangusta road tested
youtu.be
A rare opportunity to get up close and personal with an original De
Tomaso Mangusta ... and its sun visors. Of the 401 built, less than 200
still exist. This...
References
1. [1877]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
2. [1878]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 17:59:16 -0800
From: Ed Mendez <[1879]edducati at mac.com>
To: Scott Mead Photography <[1880]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
Cc: [1881]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
Message-ID: <9C638752-1CA9-421A-A6B7-[1882]AB49B0FAD0B2 at mac.com>
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Scott,
My friend Bruce has a 427 it nets 618 to the crank, it is fast and
scary. Sounds the business.
No replacement for displacement.
My brother has a 69 Mach 1 with a 427 Clevor 780 horse with a Paxton
and methanol injection. His passengers need diapers. Lol
It's so much fun destroying new corvettes.
Anyway both cars look stock.
Ed
Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:58, Larry - Ohio Time
<[1883]Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com> wrote:
>
> <<they were the ultimate sleepers>>
>
> A Pantera looks fast sitting on blocks, can it ever be a sleeper?
>
>
> Larry (nap time) - Cleveland
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[1884]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> Of Scott Mead Photography
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 3:27 PM
> To: [1885]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
>
> Aloha All,
>
> I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the
hopes
> of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to
408-427,
> supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here
before.
> However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview
mirror.
> Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower
setup on
> their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine
screen
> cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make that
much
> power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear
decklid
> for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
>
> Mahalos in advance,
>
> Scott
>
> ______________________
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Message: 26
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 19:50:01 -0800
From: Ed Mendez <[1893]edducati at mac.com>
To: Brent Stewart <[1894]bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
Cc: "[1895]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1896]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
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:-)
Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> On Jan 5, 2017, at 13:00, Brent Stewart via DeTomaso
<[1898]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Lol, a Pantera sleeper! Ya, no one will suspect you at all! ;-)
>
> That said, I've got 550+ at the flywheel with a 392. Happy to send
specs.
>
> Brent
>
>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Julian Kift
<[1899]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You can make 500HP with a naturally aspirated 351C engine that looks
>> fairly stock, now that is the ultimate sleeper. It's just a matter
of
>> selecting the right combination of parts, and you don't even really
>> need to stroke it, although I have a personal preponderance toward a
>> 393CI stroker.
>>
>> Julian
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[1900]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
>> Scott Mead Photography <[1901]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:26:52 PM
>> To: [1902]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Building a Sleeper
>>
>> Aloha All,
>>
>> I'm starting to plan an engine rebuild for later this year, with the
>> hopes
>> of netting 500HP. I know there are several ways to go (stroking to
>> 408-427,
>> supercharging and turbocharging) which all have been covered here
>> before.
>> However, I don't want a big air cleaner or intake in my rearview
>> mirror.
>> Years ago, my father and grandfather had Wilkinson's twin blower
setup
>> on
>> their Panteras, and I really liked how it fit beneath the L engine
>> screen
>> cover - they were the ultimate sleepers. Is it possible to make that
>> much
>> power, yet keep everything "stock" outside, but you open the rear
>> decklid
>> for the "HOLY S#!^" reaction?
>>
>> Mahalos in advance,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> ______________________
>> Scott Mead Photography
>> 415 Dairy Road, Ste. E-242
>> Kahului, HI 96732
>> T: 808-573-6875
>> F: 808-573-6876
>> e: <[1][1903]mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>> [1904]scott at scottmeadphotography.com
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Message: 27
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 07:03:08 -0600
From: Jeff Cobb <[1915]jeffcobb1 at me.com>
To: "[1916]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[1917]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Well said Bill, that is sometimes the way I feel when I drive the
Mangusta or
Espada through a small Cajun town in Louisiana.
The faces, questions and cellphone photos are over the top.
I should aim my GoPro to the viewers facial expression instead of the
frontal view of the roads.
I am NYC now, just had my last surgery done, last night one of my
brothers who works here came by and spent the night instead of taking
the train back to New Jersey.
We talked for hours and he brought up a 1985 memory of us as 12 yr and
28 yr old brothers taking my Lamborghini 400 GT to the local drag strip
for ?Race what you brought or stoled night?.
We pulled on to the dusty road about 7:00pm and pulled up to the poorly
lit shack to pay Jethro and Boudreaux the entrance fees.
Elly Mae was not there, I think she was out back by the concrete pond
with granny cooking opposum.
I got out the sexy car with the 4.0 liter V12 idling and all could hear
the snapping cool down noises since we had just 7,000 rpm blitzed the
interstate.
I would feed her VP 110 leaded race gas only.
Goober or Jethro came out and walked around this beautiful alien device
and just stood there with a wet lower lip, a home alone look and shell
shocked.
He was having a Cajun version of Area 51!!!!
In total amazement the in shack guy asked him,
?Goober what kind of car or_____is that??.
Goober responded as he used his flashlight to read the front emblem,
WELL LORDY BE, THATS ONE OF THEM THAR LAMB BEAUX GHINIS, SHASHAM!
That ended our conversations and Chris and I drove in and raced.
I did about 6 passes and a pass or two with Chris, what a joy for me
and of course a 12 year old boy.
Years later the exotic Espada would do and still does the same thing to
onlookers.
The Mangusta pulls a different crowd because of its stunning beauty,
people are still shell shocked but just happily amazed and gracefully
thankful at what they are lucky enough to see at that moment in their
lives.
You just can?t make this stuff up.
One more story.
Two weeks ago actor/producer Ethan Hawke borrowed my Mangusta to be the
lead car and two of my customers cars to be in his Louisiana filmed
movie, BLAZE.
Ethan Hawke with Marc, my cars caregiver that day.
I could not go as I was getting ready to leave for the NYC surgery.
I have put it way too long but I wanted to have fun for the 50th year
of the goose.
I did!
----------
The actors taking off in their kickass cars, a 1983 + - era movie.
Still not driving her much so was shipped the 44 miles for filming.
So will this be the second movie a Mangusta has ever been in?
The other I know of is KILL BILL.
Take care all,
Jeff Cobb
-------------------------------
On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:46 PM, Bill Lewis <[1919]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> I wonder why no one has ever shipped a car to Antartica, fired it up,
> did a couple of donuts, and said: "I am the first!!" People have done
> worse things just to be cool! ----So, somewhere in the world someone
> is saying, "Holy Cow, hold my beer....!" ---BILL Lewis
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[1920]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
> [1921]audionut at hushmail.com <[1922]audionut at hushmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:18 PM
> To: [1923]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
>
> Sweet. Thanks Mike! The Mangusta. So absolutely deadly. All those
> crazy James Bond toggle switches on the dash are just too cool. What
> the hell are they for? Who cares! Gotta love the 8-track player
> too. Hopefully the guy continues to resist the temptation to
> modernize that.
> Sent using Hushmail
> On January 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso" wrote:Guys,
> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
> Mike
>> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>>
>> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
>>
>>
>> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>>
>> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
> [1][1924]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
> [2]De Tomaso Mangusta road tested
> youtu.be
> A rare opportunity to get up close and personal with an original De
> Tomaso Mangusta ... and its sun visors. Of the 401 built, less than
200
> still exist. This...
>
> References
>
> 1. [1925]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
> 2. [1926]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Well said Bill, that is sometimes the way I feel when I drive the
Mangusta or
Espada through a small Cajun town in Louisiana.
The faces, questions and cellphone photos are over the top.
I should aim my GoPro to the viewers facial expression instead of the
frontal view of the roads.
I am NYC now, just had my last surgery done, last night one of my
brothers who works here came by and spent the night instead of taking
the train back to New Jersey.
We talked for hours and he brought up a 1985 memory of us as 12 yr and
28 yr old brothers taking my Lamborghini 400 GT to the local drag
strip for "Race what you brought or stoled night".
We pulled on to the dusty road about 7:00pm and pulled up to the poorly
lit shack to pay Jethro and Boudreaux the entrance fees.
Elly Mae was not there, I think she was out back by the concrete pond
with granny cooking opposum.
I got out the sexy car with the 4.0 liter V12 idling and all could hear
the snapping cool down noises since we had just 7,000 rpm blitzed the
interstate.
I would feed her VP 110 leaded race gas only.
Goober or Jethro came out and walked around this beautiful alien device
and just stood there with a wet lower lip, a home alone look and shell
shocked.
He was having a Cajun version of Area 51!!!!
In total amazement the in shack guy asked him,
"Goober what kind of car or_____is that?'.
Goober responded as he used his flashlight to read the front emblem,
WELL LORDY BE, THATS ONE OF THEM THAR LAMB BEAUX GHINIS, SHASHAM!
That ended our conversations and Chris and I drove in and raced.
I did about 6 passes and a pass or two with Chris, what a joy for me
and of course a 12 year old boy.
Years later the exotic Espada would do and still does the same thing to
onlookers.
The Mangusta pulls a different crowd because of its stunning beauty,
people are still shell shocked but just happily amazed and gracefully
thankful at what they are lucky enough to see at that moment in their
lives.
You just can't make this stuff up.
One more story.
Two weeks ago actor/producer Ethan Hawke borrowed my Mangusta to be the
lead car and two of my customers cars to be in his Louisiana filmed
movie, BLAZE.
[cid:82A23885-0EB7-4919-8ABD-0495DE2A4CB7]
Ethan Hawke with Marc, my cars caregiver that day.
I could not go as I was getting ready to leave for the NYC surgery.
I have put it way too long but I wanted to have fun for the 50th year
of the goose.
I did!
----------
[cid:1AC0FB7C-76E9-4EC5-A3EC-83C6CD46C676]
[cid:0BDFA1EE-8762-4092-A2AA-B151BCA91E5C]
[cid:E6DAFA2E-6963-46F5-B735-49C8B47574C7]
The actors taking off in their kickass cars, a 1983 + - era movie.
[cid:9C851E1C-CD75-4C4B-8F50-21C26A8E25BB]
[cid:3CE4FC77-A353-4BD1-9448-1794B552B8A5]
Still not driving her much so was shipped the 44 miles for filming.
[cid:47EB518B-9378-4F39-A08E-2C34B6BC08B9]
So will this be the second movie a Mangusta has ever been in?
The other I know of is KILL BILL.
Take care all,
Jeff Cobb
-------------------------------
On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:46 PM, Bill Lewis <[1][1929]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
I wonder why no one has ever shipped a car to Antartica, fired it up,
did a couple of donuts, and said: "I am the first!!" People have
done
worse things just to be cool! ----So, somewhere in the world
someone
is saying, "Holy Cow, hold my beer....!" ---BILL Lewis
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-[1930]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
[3][1931]audionut at hushmail.com <[4][1932]audionut at hushmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:18 PM
To: [5][1933]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
Sweet. Thanks Mike! The Mangusta. So absolutely deadly. All those
crazy James Bond toggle switches on the dash are just too cool. What
the hell are they for? Who cares! Gotta love the 8-track player
too. Hopefully the guy continues to resist the temptation to
modernize that.
Sent using Hushmail
On January 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso" wrote:Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1][6][1934]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
[2]De Tomaso Mangusta road tested
[7]youtu.be
A rare opportunity to get up close and personal with an original De
Tomaso Mangusta ... and its sun visors. Of the 401 built, less than
200
still exist. This...
References
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2. [9][1936]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Message: 28
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 09:52:09 -0500
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[1957]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: "'Jeff Cobb'" <[1958]jeffcobb1 at me.com>,
<[1959]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
Message-ID: <000001d2682c$767da080$6378e180$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Enjoyed the stories, BUT...
Who's White 71 Hemi Cuda?
And wishing You a Speedy recovery
------------------------------
Message: 29
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 09:06:02 -0600
From: Jeff Cobb <[1960]jeffcobb1 at me.com>
To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[1961]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
Cc: [1962]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
Message-ID: <92AA7E8E-1650-4CC9-8C37-[1963]4EF74D121B81 at me.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
My customer, he has about 45 muscle cars in top condition.
Jeff
On Jan 6, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
<[1964]byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> Enjoyed the stories, BUT...
>
> Who's White 71 Hemi Cuda?
>
> And wishing You a Speedy recovery
>
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234. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
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242. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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267. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com?
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288. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
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290. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
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297. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
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299. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
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303. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
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306. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
307. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
308. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
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313. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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320. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
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326. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
327. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
328. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
329. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
330. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
331. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
332. mailto:guson at home.se
333. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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335. mailto:guson at home.se
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339. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
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341. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
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344. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
345. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
346. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
347. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
348. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
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350. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
351. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
352. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
353. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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357. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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361. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
362. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
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365. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com
366. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com?
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371. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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374. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
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383. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
384. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
385. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
386. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
387. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
388. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
389. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
390. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
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396. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
397. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
398. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
399. mailto:Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com
400. mailto:davel at emspace.com
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402. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
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405. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
406. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
407. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
408. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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411. mailto:davel at emspace.com
412. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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416. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
417. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
418. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
419. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
420. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
421. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
422. mailto:davel at emspace.com
423. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
424. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
425. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
426. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
427. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
428. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
429. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
430. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
431. mailto:guson at home.se
432. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
433. mailto:615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org
434. mailto:guson at home.se
435. mailto:davel at emspace.com
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437. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
438. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
439. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
440. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
441. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
442. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
443. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
444. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
445. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
446. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
447. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
448. mailto:30981077FA40 at aol.com
449. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
450. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
451. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
452. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
453. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
454. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
455. mailto:2E9524D83F6C at aol.com
456. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
457. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
458. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
459. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
460. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
461. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com?
462. http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=outlook&signature_id=6072763649359872
463. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
464. https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734911
465. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
466. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
467. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
468. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
469. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
470. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
471. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
472. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
473. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
474. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
475. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
476. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
477. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
478. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
479. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
480. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
481. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
482. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
483. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
484. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
485. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
486. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
487. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
488. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
489. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
490. mailto:daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com
491. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
492. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
493. mailto:EzWVuh2gua8MNfeVgZWxLANeaBLor7LXo+diHRyiTmYM5hg at mail.gmail.com
494. http://www.tmeyerinc.com/category-s/1902.htm
495. http://www.tmeyerinc.com/category-s/1902.htm
496. http://www.tmeyerinc.com/category-s/1902.htm
497. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
498. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com
499. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
500. mailto:3haqugw0ksp59vsqy8c56m12.1483644531873 at email.android.com
501. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com
502. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com
503. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com?
504. http://www.acesecurity.net<http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=outlook&signature_id=6072763649359872
505. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
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508. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
509. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
510. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
511. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
512. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
513. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
514. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
515. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
516. mailto:E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org
517. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
518. https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734911
519. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
520. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
521. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
522. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
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524. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
525. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
526. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
527. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
528. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
529. mailto:davel at emspace.com
530. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
531. mailto:a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com
532. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
533. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
534. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
535. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
536. mailto:Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com
537. mailto:davel at emspace.com
538. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
539. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
540. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
541. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
542. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
543. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
544. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
545. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
546. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
547. mailto:guson at home.se
548. mailto:davel at emspace.com
549. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
550. mailto:4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com
551. mailto:davel at emspace.com
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553. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
554. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
555. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
556. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
557. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
558. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
559. mailto:davel at emspace.com
560. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
561. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
562. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
563. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
564. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
565. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
566. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
567. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
568. mailto:guson at home.se
569. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
570. mailto:615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org
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574. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
575. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
576. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
577. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
578. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
579. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
580. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
581. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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583. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
584. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
585. mailto:30981077FA40 at aol.com
586. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
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615. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
616. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
617. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
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621. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
622. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
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626. mailto:a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com
627. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
628. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
629. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
630. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
631. mailto:Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com
632. mailto:davel at emspace.com
633. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
634. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
635. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
636. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
637. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
638. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
639. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
640. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
641. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
642. mailto:guson at home.se
643. mailto:davel at emspace.com
644. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
645. mailto:4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com
646. mailto:davel at emspace.com
647. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
648. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
649. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
650. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
651. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
652. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
653. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
654. mailto:davel at emspace.com
655. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
656. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
657. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
658. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
659. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
660. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
661. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
662. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
663. mailto:guson at home.se
664. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
665. mailto:615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org
666. mailto:guson at home.se
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668. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
669. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
670. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
671. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
672. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
673. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
674. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
675. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
676. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
677. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
678. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
679. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
680. mailto:30981077FA40 at aol.com
681. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
682. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
683. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
684. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
685. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
686. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
687. mailto:2E9524D83F6C at aol.com
688. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
689. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
690. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
691. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
692. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
693. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com?
694. http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=outlook&signature_id=6072763649359872
695. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
696. https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734911
697. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
698. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
699. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
700. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
701. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
702. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
703. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
704. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
705. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
706. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
707. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
708. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
709. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
710. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
711. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
712. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
713. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
714. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
715. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
716. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
717. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
718. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
719. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
720. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
721. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
722. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
723. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
724. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com
725. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com
726. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com?
727. http://www.acesecurity.net<http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=outlook&
728. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
729. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
730. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
731. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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733. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
734. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
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736. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
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738. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
739. mailto:E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org
740. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
741. https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734911
742. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
743. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
744. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
745. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
746. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
747. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
748. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
749. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
750. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
751. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
752. mailto:davel at emspace.com
753. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
754. mailto:a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com
755. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
756. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
757. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
758. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
759. mailto:Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com
760. mailto:davel at emspace.com
761. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
762. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
763. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
764. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
765. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
766. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
767. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
768. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
769. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
770. mailto:guson at home.se
771. mailto:davel at emspace.com
772. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
773. mailto:4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com
774. mailto:davel at emspace.com
775. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
776. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
777. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
778. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
779. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
780. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
781. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
782. mailto:davel at emspace.com
783. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
784. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
785. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
786. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
787. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
788. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
789. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
790. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
791. mailto:guson at home.se
792. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
793. mailto:615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org
794. mailto:guson at home.se
795. mailto:davel at emspace.com
796. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
797. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
798. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
799. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
800. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
801. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
802. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
803. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
804. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
805. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
806. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
807. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
808. mailto:30981077FA40 at aol.com
809. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
810. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
811. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
812. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
813. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
814. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
815. mailto:2E9524D83F6C at aol.com
816. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
817. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
818. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
819. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
820. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
821. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com
822. http://www.acesecurity.net/
823. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
824. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
825. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
826. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
827. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
828. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
829. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
830. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
831. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
832. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
833. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
834. mailto:E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org
835. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
836. https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734
837. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
838. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
839. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
840. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
841. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
842. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
843. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
844. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
845. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
846. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
847. mailto:davel at emspace.com
848. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
849. mailto:a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com
850. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
851. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
852. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
853. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
854. mailto:Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com
855. mailto:davel at emspace.com
856. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
857. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
858. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
859. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
860. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
861. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
862. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
863. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
864. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
865. mailto:guson at home.se
866. mailto:davel at emspace.com
867. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
868. mailto:4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com
869. mailto:davel at emspace.com
870. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
871. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
872. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
873. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
874. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
875. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
876. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
877. mailto:davel at emspace.com
878. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
879. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
880. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
881. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
882. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
883. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
884. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
885. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
886. mailto:guson at home.se
887. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
888. mailto:615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org
889. mailto:guson at home.se
890. mailto:davel at emspace.com
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892. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
893. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
894. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
895. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
896. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
897. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
898. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
899. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
900. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
901. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
902. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
903. mailto:30981077FA40 at aol.com
904. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
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907. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
908. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
909. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
910. mailto:2E9524D83F6C at aol.com
911. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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915. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
916. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com?
917. http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=outlook&signature_id=6072763
918. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
919. https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734911
920. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
921. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
922. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
923. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
924. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
925. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
926. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
927. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
928. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
929. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
930. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
931. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
932. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
933. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
934. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
935. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
936. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
937. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
938. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
939. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
940. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
941. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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966. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com?
967. http://www.acesecurity.net<[2]http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=outlo
968. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
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975. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
976. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
977. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
978. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
979. mailto:E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org
980. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
981. https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734
982. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
983. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
984. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
985. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
986. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
987. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
988. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
989. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
990. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
991. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
992. mailto:davel at emspace.com
993. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
994. mailto:a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com
995. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
996. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
997. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
998. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
999. mailto:Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com
1000. mailto:davel at emspace.com
1001. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1002. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1003. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1004. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1005. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1006. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1007. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1008. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1009. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1010. mailto:guson at home.se
1011. mailto:davel at emspace.com
1012. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1013. mailto:4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com
1014. mailto:davel at emspace.com
1015. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1016. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1017. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1018. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1019. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1020. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1021. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1022. mailto:davel at emspace.com
1023. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1024. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1025. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1026. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1027. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1028. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1029. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1030. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
1031. mailto:guson at home.se
1032. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1033. mailto:615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org
1034. mailto:guson at home.se
1035. mailto:davel at emspace.com
1036. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1037. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1038. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1039. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1040. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1041. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1042. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1043. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1044. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1045. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1046. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
1047. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
1048. mailto:30981077FA40 at aol.com
1049. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
1050. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1051. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1052. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1053. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1054. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1055. mailto:2E9524D83F6C at aol.com
1056. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1057. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1058. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1059. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1060. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1061. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com?
1062. http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=outlook&signature_id=6072763649359872
1063. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1064. https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734911
1065. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1066. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1067. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1068. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1069. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1070. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1071. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1072. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1073. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1074. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1075. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1076. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1077. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1078. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1079. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1080. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1081. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1082. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1083. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1084. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1085. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1086. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1087. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1088. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1089. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1090. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1091. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1092. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
1093. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com
1094. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1095. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1096. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1097. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com
1098. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1099. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com
1100. mailto:[5]Ace595 at hotmail.com?
1101. http://www.acesecurity.net<[2][6]http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=ou
1102. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1103. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
1104. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
1105. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1106. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1107. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1108. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
1109. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
1110. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
1111. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
1112. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1113. mailto:E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org
1114. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
1115. https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_102071985
1116. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1117. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1118. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1119. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
1120. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1121. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1122. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
1123. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1124. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
1125. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1126. mailto:davel at emspace.com
1127. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1128. mailto:a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com
1129. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1130. mailto:[36]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1131. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1132. mailto:[38]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1133. mailto:Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com
1134. mailto:davel at emspace.com
1135. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1136. mailto:[43]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1137. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1138. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1139. mailto:[46]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1140. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1141. mailto:[48]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1142. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1143. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1144. mailto:guson at home.se
1145. mailto:davel at emspace.com
1146. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1147. mailto:4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com
1148. mailto:davel at emspace.com
1149. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1150. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1151. mailto:[58]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1152. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1153. mailto:[60]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1154. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1155. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1156. mailto:davel at emspace.com
1157. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1158. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1159. mailto:[66]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1160. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1161. mailto:[68]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1162. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1163. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1164. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
1165. mailto:guson at home.se
1166. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1167. mailto:615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org
1168. mailto:guson at home.se
1169. mailto:davel at emspace.com
1170. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1171. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1172. mailto:[79]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1173. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1174. mailto:[81]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1175. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1176. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1177. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1178. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1179. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1180. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
1181. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
1182. mailto:30981077FA40 at aol.com
1183. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
1184. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1185. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1186. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1187. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1188. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1189. mailto:2E9524D83F6C at aol.com
1190. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1191. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1192. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1193. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1194. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1195. mailto:[102]Ace595 at hotmail.com?
1196. http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=outlook&signature_id=60
1197. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1198. https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_10207198537
1199. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1200. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1201. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1202. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1203. mailto:[110]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1204. mailto:[111]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1205. mailto:[112]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1206. mailto:[113]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1207. mailto:[114]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1208. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1209. mailto:[116]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1210. mailto:[117]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1211. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1212. mailto:[119]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1213. mailto:[120]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1214. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1215. mailto:[122]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1216. mailto:[123]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1217. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1218. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1219. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1220. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1221. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1222. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1223. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1224. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1225. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1226. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1227. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com?
1228. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1229. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com?
1230. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com?
1231. http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=outlo
1232. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1233. mailto:detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com?
1234. mailto:detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com?
1235. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1236. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1237. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1238. mailto:detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com?
1239. mailto:detomaso-owner at server.detomasolist.com?
1240. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org?
1241. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com?
1242. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1243. mailto:E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org?
1244. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com?
1245. https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734
1246. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1247. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1248. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
1249. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com?
1250. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1251. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1252. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com?
1253. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
1254. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com?
1255. mailto:74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A?
1256. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1257. mailto:davel at emspace.com?
1258. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1259. mailto:566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com?
1260. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
1261. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1262. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1263. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1264. mailto:Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com?
1265. mailto:davel at emspace.com?
1266. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1267. mailto:4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC?
1268. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1269. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1270. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
1271. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1272. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1273. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1274. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1275. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1276. mailto:guson at home.se?
1277. mailto:davel at emspace.com?
1278. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1279. mailto:4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com?
1280. mailto:davel at emspace.com?
1281. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1282. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
1283. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1284. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1285. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1286. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1287. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1288. mailto:davel at emspace.com?
1289. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1290. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
1291. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1292. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1293. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1294. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1295. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1296. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org?
1297. mailto:guson at home.se?
1298. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1299. mailto:7B98FED4-77F1-43C6-9318-615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org?
1300. mailto:guson at home.se?
1301. mailto:davel at emspace.com?
1302. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1303. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
1304. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1305. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1306. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1307. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1308. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1309. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1310. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1311. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com?
1312. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com?
1313. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com?
1314. mailto:2BC46E79-666A-41AA-83BB-30981077FA40 at aol.com?
1315. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com?
1316. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1317. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1318. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1319. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com?
1320. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1321. mailto:7684BDF4-2A60-497B-8454-2E9524D83F6C at aol.com?
1322. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1323. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1324. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1325. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1326. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1327. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com?
1328. http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=outlook&signature_id=6072763649359872
1329. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1330. https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734911
1331. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1332. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1333. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1334. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1335. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1336. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1337. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1338. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1339. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1340. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1341. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1342. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1343. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1344. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1345. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1346. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1347. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1348. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1349. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1350. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1351. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1352. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1353. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1354. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1355. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1356. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1357. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1358. mailto:jeffcobb1 at me.com
1359. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1360. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1361. mailto:08BCFC5244E6 at me.com
1362. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1363. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1364. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1365. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1366. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1367. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com
1368. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1369. mailto:20170105201853.2256840101 at smtp.hushmail.com
1370. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1371. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1372. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1373. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1374. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1375. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1376. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1377. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1378. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1379. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1380. mailto:image002.jpg at 01CAC10F.ED30F7C0
1381. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1382. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1383. mailto:image002.jpg at 01CAC10F.ED30F7C0
1384. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1385. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1386. http://server.detomasolist.com/pipermail/detomaso/attachments/20170105/529197f9/attachment-0001.jpg
1387. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
1388. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com
1389. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1390. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1391. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
1392. mailto:DM5PR18MB13239EA5A693AD83D05A792195600 at DM5PR18MB1323.namprd18.prod.outlook.com
1393. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
1394. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1396. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com
1397. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1398. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1399. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1400. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1401. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com
1402. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com?
1403. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1404. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1405. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
1406. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1414. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1415. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com?
1416. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1417. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
1418. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1419. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1420. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1421. mailto:DM5PR18MB1323B2CF432277537FA32C0195600 at DM5PR18MB1323.namprd18.prod.outlook.com
1422. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1423. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1424. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1425. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1426. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1427. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1428. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1429. mailto:image002.jpg at 01CAC10F.ED30F7C0
1430. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1431. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1432. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1433. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1434. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1435. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1436. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1437. mailto:image002.jpg at 01CAC10F.ED30F7C0
1438. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1439. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1440. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1441. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
1442. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1443. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1444. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
1445. mailto:Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com
1446. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1447. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1448. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1449. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1450. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1451. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1452. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1453. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1454. mailto:image002.jpg at 01CAC10F.ED30F7C0
1455. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
1456. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
1457. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1458. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1459. mailto:D16CDC8C3D22 at yahoo.com
1460. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
1461. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1462. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1463. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1464. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1465. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1466. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1467. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1468. mailto:image002.jpg at 01CAC10F.ED30F7C0
1469. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1470. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1471. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1472. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1473. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1474. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1475. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
1476. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1477. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1478. mailto:E1BA96B07712 at aol.com
1479. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1480. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
1481. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1482. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1483. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1484. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1485. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1486. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1487. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1488. mailto:image002.jpg at 01CAC10F.ED30F7C0
1489. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1490. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1491. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1492. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1493. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1494. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1495. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1496. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
1497. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
1498. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com
1499. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1500. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1516. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
1517. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com
1518. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1520. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
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1523. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
1524. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com
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1526. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1527. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1528. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com
1529. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1530. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1531. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com?
1532. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1533. mailto:daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com
1534. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1535. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1536. mailto:EzWW519R325KGwmN3ja0JaUHfmYXzjz+GZLps4nismtBT2w at mail.gmail.com
1537. mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com
1538. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1539. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1541. mailto:698400163.784691.1483653224992 at mail.yahoo.com
1542. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1543. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1544. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
1545. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1546. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1547. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1548. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1549. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1550. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1551. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1552. mailto:image002.jpg at 01CAC10F.ED30F7C0
1553. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1554. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1555. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1556. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1557. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1558. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1559. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1560. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1561. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1562. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
1563. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1564. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1565. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1566. mailto:[6]scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1567. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
1568. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1569. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1570. mailto:image002.jpg at 01CAC10F.ED30F7C0
1571. mailto:[11]scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1572. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1573. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1574. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1575. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1576. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1577. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1578. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1579. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com?
1580. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1581. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1582. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1583. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1584. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1585. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1586. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1587. mailto:image002.jpg at 01CAC10F.ED30F7C0?
1588. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com?
1589. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1590. http://www.scottmeadphotography.com/
1591. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1592. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1593. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
1594. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1595. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1596. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com
1597. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1598. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1599. mailto:60932D8D2A71 at aol.com
1600. mailto:ace595 at hotmail.com
1601. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com
1602. http://www.acesecurity.net/
1603. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1604. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
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1606. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1609. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
1610. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
1611. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
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1613. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1614. mailto:E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org
1615. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
1616. https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734
1617. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1618. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1619. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1620. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
1621. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1622. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1623. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
1624. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1625. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
1626. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1627. mailto:davel at emspace.com
1628. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1629. mailto:a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com
1630. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1631. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1632. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1633. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1634. mailto:Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com
1635. mailto:davel at emspace.com
1636. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1637. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1638. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1639. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1640. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1641. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1642. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1643. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1644. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1645. mailto:guson at home.se
1646. mailto:davel at emspace.com
1647. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1648. mailto:4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com
1649. mailto:davel at emspace.com
1650. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1651. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1652. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1653. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1654. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1655. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1656. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1657. mailto:davel at emspace.com
1658. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1659. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1660. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1661. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1662. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1663. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1664. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1665. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
1666. mailto:guson at home.se
1667. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1668. mailto:615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org
1669. mailto:guson at home.se
1670. mailto:davel at emspace.com
1671. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1672. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1673. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1674. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1675. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1676. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1677. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1678. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1679. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1680. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1681. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
1682. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
1683. mailto:30981077FA40 at aol.com
1684. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
1685. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1686. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1687. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1688. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1689. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1690. mailto:2E9524D83F6C at aol.com
1691. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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1694. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1695. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1696. mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com?
1697. http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=outlook&signature_id=6072763649359872
1698. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1699. https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734911
1700. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1701. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1702. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1703. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1704. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1705. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1706. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1707. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1708. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1709. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1710. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1711. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1712. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1713. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1714. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1715. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1716. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1717. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
1718. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1719. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1720. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
1721. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1722. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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1725. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1726. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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1798. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
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1939. mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com?
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1942. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com?
1943. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
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