[DeTomaso] FW: Longchamp spyder questions....

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Tue Jan 10 16:57:28 EST 2017


Impressive ........ !
 Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )

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You have probably seen it, but Roland Jaeckel used his Longchamp to tow a Vallalunga to at least a couple of events

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Björn,
 Your " PS A Longchamp pulling a trailer with a Pantera race car would be nice  view!" sounds like something I would dream of  ..........  I would just like to have my Ranchero and trailer set up to haul my Pantera.
Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )      From: Björn Carlsson <bjocar01 at gmail.com>
 To: Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Longchamp spyder questions....
  
  Hi Patrick,
  Converting to left hand is "doable". I can take some pictures of the
  firewall since the engine is still out.
  My GTS will soon ship for assembly. The company just worked on another
  Longchamp and my instrument panel was used as a mold since it was
  missing for them. That means another left hand instrument panel should
  be easy to do. The owner has worked on many a Panteras too over the
  years and has one himself.
  There are many small changes to the 3000 serie compared to 2000. The
  engine is moved further back, different heating/ventilation, ZF
  steering rack, more modern interior, often an Aussie Cleveland etc. If
  possible, I would aim for a 3000 car. The original 5-speed ZF is rare
  but there are better alternatives if a manual is desired. Many parts
  comes from Pantera (front suspension etc), others have been rather easy
  to find from the general parts bin.
  The authorities on Longchamp in Europe are Roland Jaeckel and Roger
  Brottom.
  /BjAP:rn, Pushbutton # 1014 and Longchamp GTS # 3253
  PS A Longchamp pulling a trailer with a Pantera race car would be nice
  view! A ;-)
  Infogad bild 2

  2017-01-09 19:22 GMT+01:00 Patrick HALS <[1]patrickhals at gmail.com>:

    A  A I have interest in one of the less known DT models, the
    Longchamp
    A  A Spyder GTS ( or GTSE ? ), type 2 ( VIN's 3000 and above ) .
    A  A I think that this car, as a convertible, deserves more
    recognition than
    A  A it presently has, ( so do all the DT's in general ) and I know
    that I
    A  A am not only one sharing this idea A :>))) . It is a spectacular
    car in
    A  A cabrio ( I like the coupA(c) less , but I am obviously a cabrio
    fan,
    A  A whatever the brand ) , it is spectacularly rare, A it should be
    a very
    A  A fast 4 seater, ( just because of the engine that we all love )
    and the
    A  A look is absolutely stunning, even ( and this is rare ) with the
    top on
    A  A ! A . Two or three years ago, I had acquired a beautiful Aston
    V8
    A  A cabrio from 1984, with a fantastic and beautifully designed
    engine ( so
    A  A they say.... ) A and that was a terrible disappointment when i
    drove
    A  A it. It was heavy, lacked power and torque, lacked precision in
    the
    A  A driving, however all the suspension elements had been
    professionnally
    A  A replaced... it felt like an overloaded boat carrying too many
    anchors
    A  A .... I just hope the Longchamp does not feel the same on the
    road, due
    A  A to its enormous weight . When I look at the announced weight,
    and
    A  A knowing how Italians are romantically optimistic ( I am part of
    them,
    A  A so to speak A ) I am afraid of the possible result ....A
    A  A I have gone over almost everything I could easily find on the
    net over
    A  A this model, and also consulted my old original 1994 Bill Van
    Ess
    A  A registry that I preciously keep in my library. I of course,
    consulted
    A  A Chuck's precious registry, but still, there are some important
    and
    A  A unanswered questions. BTW, I noticed that the Longchamp section
    was not
    A  A as "clean" and "user friendly" as the Pantera section, and if
    possible,
    A  A I will be gladly cooperating to improve it if possible, for our
    A  A community.
    A  A Well, the result I have gathered so far is quite uncomplete ,
    and there
    A  A are some basic questions that remain unanswered.A
    A  A So, my dearest "think tank" , here I am...
    A  A 1. Were the Spyders ( type 1 and type 2 ) built AT or BY the
    factory ,
    A  A or were they built - (i.e. converted ) AA  at /by PAVESI in
    Milano ?
    A  A Where there any conversions by other body shops ?A
    A  A 2. Does anyone know how many spyders with narrow fenders were
    built ?
    A  A And with "wide body" A ?A
    A  A 3. Did they all come with 8 inch wheels in the front , and 10
    at the
    A  A back ? Were the wheels the same as the Pantera ( how many slots
    ? )A
    A  A 4. How does it feel driving ? With the ZF ? With the 3 speed
    automatic
    A  A gearbox ? How about the handling ? A drunken ship , or
    "something
    A  A reasonably vague " due to the weight and the lack of chassis
    rigidity
    A  A ?A
    A  A 5. Did they all originally come with LHD, and the RHD were
    later
    A  A conversions , performed at the factory / at Pavesi ?A
    A  A 6. Has anyone experienced the conversion from RHD to LHD or
    vice versa
    A  A ? Has it ever been done, like it sometimesA A happens on the
    Pantera (
    A  A Mike Miller .... )
    A  A 7. I have been told by a present owner, that no less than 3
    different
    A  A types of engines were used on the first models . True ?AA  What
    engines
    A  A ? Which one is the best ?
    A  A 8. Any suggestion to discreetly improve the handling if need
    be, while
    A  A keeping the original look AA  ?
    A  A 9. Does anyone have a copy of the service book ? The chassis,
    brakes
    A  A A and suspensions are totally different from a Pantera. Where
    can we
    A  A find original spares ? Where did A Alejandro buy some of the
    components
    A  A ? ( from what other brand ? Alfa, Lancia, Peugeot ....???A
    A  A 10. How about the brake calipers and disks ?A
    A  A In the EU , prices presently vary from a mere 35.000 euros for
    a wreck
    A  A ( a coupe) A in Germany, to 185.000 euros ( a concours GTS
    cabrio ) in
    A  A Switzerland. What is , in your opinion, a fair price for a fair
    cabrio
    A  A ( not concours, but in good driving condition ) How would you
    rate the
    A  A purchase of a Longchamp as an investment for the years to come
    A ?A
    A  A Any additional suggestion or remarks welcome A
    A  A Many many thanks to all, and Happy New Year from freezing
    Brussels
    A  A A !A
    A  A Pat
    A  A Candy 2862
    A  A ADA 9628
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   Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
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   From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   To: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:09 PM
   Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Longchamp spyder questions....
   Attachments got lost.. trying again with fewer
   You have probably seen it, but Roland Jaeckel used his Longchamp to tow
   a Vallalunga to at least a couple of events
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf Of B Hower via DeTomaso
   Sent: martes, 10 de enero de 2017 13:28
   To: BjAP:rn Carlsson; Patrick HALS; [2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Longchamp spyder questions....
   BjAP:rn,
   Your " PS A Longchamp pulling a trailer with a Pantera race car would
   be nice  view!" sounds like something I would dream of  ..........  I
   would just like to have my Ranchero and trailer set up to haul my
   Pantera.
   Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
   ! )      From: BjAP:rn Carlsson <[3]bjocar01 at gmail.com>
   To: Patrick HALS <[4]patrickhals at gmail.com>;
   [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:42 AM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Longchamp spyder questions....

     Hi Patrick,
     Converting to left hand is "doable". I can take some pictures of the
     firewall since the engine is still out.
     My GTS will soon ship for assembly. The company just worked on
   another
     Longchamp and my instrument panel was used as a mold since it was
     missing for them. That means another left hand instrument panel
   should
     be easy to do. The owner has worked on many a Panteras too over the
     years and has one himself.
     There are many small changes to the 3000 serie compared to 2000. The
     engine is moved further back, different heating/ventilation, ZF
     steering rack, more modern interior, often an Aussie Cleveland etc.
   If
     possible, I would aim for a 3000 car. The original 5-speed ZF is rare
     but there are better alternatives if a manual is desired. Many parts
     comes from Pantera (front suspension etc), others have been rather
   easy
     to find from the general parts bin.
     The authorities on Longchamp in Europe are Roland Jaeckel and Roger
     Brottom.
     /BjAP:rn, Pushbutton # 1014 and Longchamp GTS # 3253
     PS A Longchamp pulling a trailer with a Pantera race car would be
   nice
     view! A ;-)
     Infogad bild 2
     2017-01-09 19:22 GMT+01:00 Patrick HALS
   <[1][6]patrickhals at gmail.com>:
       A  A I have interest in one of the less known DT models, the
       Longchamp
       A  A Spyder GTS ( or GTSE ? ), type 2 ( VIN's 3000 and above ) .
       A  A I think that this car, as a convertible, deserves more
       recognition than
       A  A it presently has, ( so do all the DT's in general ) and I know
       that I
       A  A am not only one sharing this idea A :>))) . It is a
   spectacular
       car in
       A  A cabrio ( I like the coupA(c) less , but I am obviously a
   cabrio
       fan,
       A  A whatever the brand ) , it is spectacularly rare, A it should
   be
       a very
       A  A fast 4 seater, ( just because of the engine that we all love )
       and the
       A  A look is absolutely stunning, even ( and this is rare ) with
   the
       top on
       A  A ! A . Two or three years ago, I had acquired a beautiful Aston
       V8
       A  A cabrio from 1984, with a fantastic and beautifully designed
       engine ( so
       A  A they say.... ) A and that was a terrible disappointment when i
       drove
       A  A it. It was heavy, lacked power and torque, lacked precision in
       the
       A  A driving, however all the suspension elements had been
       professionnally
       A  A replaced... it felt like an overloaded boat carrying too many
       anchors
       A  A .... I just hope the Longchamp does not feel the same on the
       road, due
       A  A to its enormous weight . When I look at the announced weight,
       and
       A  A knowing how Italians are romantically optimistic ( I am part
   of
       them,
       A  A so to speak A ) I am afraid of the possible result ....A
       A  A I have gone over almost everything I could easily find on the
       net over
       A  A this model, and also consulted my old original 1994 Bill Van
       Ess
       A  A registry that I preciously keep in my library. I of course,
       consulted
       A  A Chuck's precious registry, but still, there are some important
       and
       A  A unanswered questions. BTW, I noticed that the Longchamp
   section
       was not
       A  A as "clean" and "user friendly" as the Pantera section, and if
       possible,
       A  A I will be gladly cooperating to improve it if possible, for
   our
       A  A community.
       A  A Well, the result I have gathered so far is quite uncomplete ,
       and there
       A  A are some basic questions that remain unanswered.A
       A  A So, my dearest "think tank" , here I am...
       A  A 1. Were the Spyders ( type 1 and type 2 ) built AT or BY the
       factory ,
       A  A or were they built - (i.e. converted ) AA  at /by PAVESI in
       Milano ?
       A  A Where there any conversions by other body shops ?A
       A  A 2. Does anyone know how many spyders with narrow fenders were
       built ?
       A  A And with "wide body" A ?A
       A  A 3. Did they all come with 8 inch wheels in the front , and 10
       at the
       A  A back ? Were the wheels the same as the Pantera ( how many
   slots
       ? )A
       A  A 4. How does it feel driving ? With the ZF ? With the 3 speed
       automatic
       A  A gearbox ? How about the handling ? A drunken ship , or
       "something
       A  A reasonably vague " due to the weight and the lack of chassis
       rigidity
       A  A ?A
       A  A 5. Did they all originally come with LHD, and the RHD were
       later
       A  A conversions , performed at the factory / at Pavesi ?A
       A  A 6. Has anyone experienced the conversion from RHD to LHD or
       vice versa
       A  A ? Has it ever been done, like it sometimesA A happens on the
       Pantera (
       A  A Mike Miller .... )
       A  A 7. I have been told by a present owner, that no less than 3
       different
       A  A types of engines were used on the first models . True ?AA
   What
       engines
       A  A ? Which one is the best ?
       A  A 8. Any suggestion to discreetly improve the handling if need
       be, while
       A  A keeping the original look AA  ?
       A  A 9. Does anyone have a copy of the service book ? The chassis,
       brakes
       A  A A and suspensions are totally different from a Pantera. Where
       can we
       A  A find original spares ? Where did A Alejandro buy some of the
       components
       A  A ? ( from what other brand ? Alfa, Lancia, Peugeot ....???A
       A  A 10. How about the brake calipers and disks ?A
       A  A In the EU , prices presently vary from a mere 35.000 euros for
       a wreck
       A  A ( a coupe) A in Germany, to 185.000 euros ( a concours GTS
       cabrio ) in
       A  A Switzerland. What is , in your opinion, a fair price for a
   fair
       cabrio
       A  A ( not concours, but in good driving condition ) How would you
       rate the
       A  A purchase of a Longchamp as an investment for the years to come
       A ?A
       A  A Any additional suggestion or remarks welcome A
       A  A Many many thanks to all, and Happy New Year from freezing
       Brussels
       A  A A !A
       A  A Pat
       A  A Candy 2862
       A  A ADA 9628
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