[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 150, Issue 35
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Fri Jan 6 16:56:47 EST 2017
As for an electric fuel pump, there is another option. In 2008, I installed a stock Ford in-tank fuel pump, adapting it to a stock Pantera fuel sender, suitably modified for electric connections and fuel. Not difficult, it fits in an unmodified tank and the advantages are- Ford sold millions of them so the design is THOROUGHLY tested, they are dirt cheap anywhere on the globe or if you insist, aftermarket versions are nearly as plentiful and are of the same dimensions. Running inside the tank, the pump is nearly silent, well protected and is submerged so zero chance of vapor lock or pump overheating. It also has no vulnerable fittings handing down from the thin fuel tank bottom.
There are two versions of pump- for use with carbs, I used a TBI version that runs at 12 psi and can be externally regulated down to 7 psi for a carb without problems. The other which looks identical runs at 48-52 psi for multiport EFI. It CANNOT be regulated down; the massive blockage of fuel flow in reducing pressure that much causes the pump to overheat and shut down.
The illustrated 3-pg installation article is in the Aug 2009 POCA Newsletter. Members can log into POCA.com, select 'documents', select 2009 and August, then download the article. This was one of quite a number lost when my back-up hard drive seized in '08 and destroyed the computer's power supply. I've been slowly scanning paper copies back in to restore POCA's records and I just finished Aug 2009. Good luck- J DeRyke
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1. Re: Fuel Pump Advice (Julian Kift)
2. 2709 Fixed ? (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
3. Re: Mangusta shift linkage in a GT40?? (Scott Mead Photography)
4. Re: Mangusta shift linkage in a GT40?? (Mike Drew)
5. Re: Mangusta shift linkage in a GT40?? (Julian Kift)
6. Re: 2709 Fixed ? (Mike Thomas)
7. Re: AC hose routing (Julian Kift)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 18:32:22 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>, Pantera - Mail List
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Pump Advice
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Most folks using an external electric fuel pump are drawing fuel from the bottom of the tank via the drain plug port. Electric fuel pumps don't like running dry and are typically not self priming so require a head of fuel over them. This leaves your current fuel pickup to be used as the bypass return, you'll want to remove the sock filter though.
Speaking of which you should consider installing a rollover valve on your tank vent line, Hall sells a unit that bolts right in place of the stock vent.
http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc&item=22057
Internal bypass pumps are normally pressure limited pumps i.e. they have built in self regulation and can be used with a static regulator (non bypass), so not ideal for high HP applications as you have identified.
As the pump is going to have higher capacity than you are drawing most of the time, the problem with Teeing the return back to the pump feed is that you risk fuel constantly recirculating and heating leading to vapor lock in hotter weather. I'm pretty sure there must be other reasons not to do it related to pump performance in a closed loop system.
You could opt for an in tank pump, which provides the option to use the existing fuel pickup and is always primed (well unless you run out of fuel!) but may suffer from fuel slosh/surge at low fuel. Typically in tank pumps have a baffle or the tank is designed with a low point/sump for the pump to sit in.
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 5:09:32 AM
To: Pantera - Mail List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Pump Advice
Update based on feedback I received. Thanks to everybody.
- Using a Bypass-style regulator is recommended, especially at my HP
range.
- Add a 100 Micron fuel filter before the pump, regular one after
- 7 PSI is what I should target as inlet pressure to the carb
- An oil pressure cutoff switch is important
- An inertial cutout switch is a nice addition
- A momentary (manual) or timed primer circuit is recommended
What are my options for the bypass circuit?
- Add a return port to the gas tank (Not a desired choice for me)?
- Add a T before the fuel pump and recirculate warm fuel
- Use a pump with an internal bypass (Is this a good option)?
Can I use the tank vent line somehow and vent the tank some other way?
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
> My Titus block build is about to start and it was realized that the block
> was not machined for a mechanical fuel pump like I expected. Call it blind
> faith vs. Murphy's Law. The engine will be in the 600 HP range with an 800
> CFM carb. Any suggestions for a trouble-free electric fuel pump that can
> be wired for safety into an oil pressure sensor shutoff?
>
> Rob
>
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Most folks using an external electric fuel pump are drawing fuel from
the bottom of the tank via the drain plug port. Electric fuel pumps
don't like running dry and are typically not self priming so require a
head of fuel over them. This leaves your current fuel pickup to be used
as the bypass return, you'll want to remove the sock filter though.
Speaking of which you should consider installing a rollover valve on
your tank vent line, Hall sells a unit that bolts right in place of the
stock vent.
[1]http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc&
item=22057
Internal bypass pumps are normally pressure limited pumps i.e. they
have built in self regulation and can be used with a static regulator
(non bypass), so not ideal for high HP applications as you have
identified.
As the pump is going to have higher capacity than you are drawing most
of the time, the problem with Teeing the return back to the pump feed
is that you risk fuel constantly recirculating and heating leading
to vapor lock in hotter weather. I'm pretty sure there must be
other reasons not to do it related to pump performance in a closed loop
system.
You could opt for an in tank pump, which provides the option to use
the existing fuel pickup and is always primed (well unless you run out
of fuel!) but may suffer from fuel slosh/surge at low fuel. Typically
in tank pumps have a baffle or the tank is designed with a low
point/sump for the pump to sit in.
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 5:09:32 AM
To: Pantera - Mail List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Pump Advice
Update based on feedback I received. Thanks to everybody.
- Using a Bypass-style regulator is recommended, especially at my HP
range.
- Add a 100 Micron fuel filter before the pump, regular one after
- 7 PSI is what I should target as inlet pressure to the carb
- An oil pressure cutoff switch is important
- An inertial cutout switch is a nice addition
- A momentary (manual) or timed primer circuit is recommended
What are my options for the bypass circuit?
- Add a return port to the gas tank (Not a desired choice for me)?
- Add a T before the fuel pump and recirculate warm fuel
- Use a pump with an internal bypass (Is this a good option)?
Can I use the tank vent line somehow and vent the tank some other way?
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
wrote:
> My Titus block build is about to start and it was realized that the
block
> was not machined for a mechanical fuel pump like I expected. Call it
blind
> faith vs. Murphy's Law. The engine will be in the 600 HP range with
an 800
> CFM carb. Any suggestions for a trouble-free electric fuel pump that
can
> be wired for safety into an oil pressure sensor shutoff?
>
> Rob
>
References
1. http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc&item=22057
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:26:00 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "DeTomaso List" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] 2709 Fixed ?
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>From 2006.
Interesting history in the registry. (2709)
Could this car be restored within financial reason?
What does she look like now ?
I'm adding fresh photos later today.
Chuck
The De Tomaso Registry Guy
http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
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>From 2006...
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Interesting history in the registry... (2709)
Could this car be restored within financial reason?
What does she look like now ?
I'm adding fresh photos later today.
Chuck
The De Tomaso Registry Guy
[1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
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Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:56:44 -1000
From: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
To: Daryl Adams <daryl.architect at gmail.com>
Cc: Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mangusta shift linkage in a GT40??
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Yep, the shifter setup is the stock Superformance cable system for LHD. Finding gears is vague at best, and feels like you're rowing through a bowl of rocks with a few tree roots thrown in for good measure.
Mahalos to everyone whose replied on this thread. I'll be passing along the info to Paul and hopefully soon, every shifter throw won't be accompanied by a string of explicatives!
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:19 AM, Daryl Adams <daryl.architect at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Actually the ZF in the GT40 is right side up. The problem is that the GT40 has a specifically designed route through the tub for the shift rod that is very different from the path the rod takes in a Mangusta. I wonder if Paul is using the shifter supplied by Superformance. Dennis Olthoff did the set up on my Superformance GT40 and the first thing he did was replace the shift linkage with a revised setup of his own design. It has different geometry, works better and doesn't require grinding off part of the reinforcing ribs on the ZF case to get the required clearance. I think the shifter on my Mangusta works pretty well and I would say the gear changes in my GT40 with the Olthoff linkage are at least as good. Rod type shift linkage in the Superformance GT40 works best in the right hand drive cars where the shift rod travels straight back along the fuel sponson per the original design.
>
>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:33 PM, Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>> Aloha everyone,
>>
>> I just dropped by Paul DeCoite's shop for some bench racing, and the topic of his Superformance Ford GT40 came up - specifically the crappy cable shifter selecting the cogs in the ZF.
>>
>> Paul said he'd been in contact with the folks at Holman Moody, and there isn't a ZF linkage for left-hand-drive GT40, as the box is upside down. This got me wondering: the box in a Mangusta IS upside down (compared to the Pantera), so couldn't that linkage somehow be adapted?
>>
>> Mahalos,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Yep, the shifter setup is the stock Superformance cable system for LHD.
Finding gears is vague at best, and feels like you're rowing through a
bowl of rocks with a few tree roots thrown in for good measure.
Mahalos to everyone whose replied on this thread. I'll be passing along
the info to Paul and hopefully soon, every shifter throw won't be
accompanied by a string of explicatives!
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:19 AM, Daryl Adams <[1]daryl.architect at gmail.com>
wrote:
Actually the ZF in the GT40 is right side up. The problem is that the
GT40 has a specifically designed route through the tub for the shift
rod that is very different from the path the rod takes in a Mangusta. I
wonder if Paul is using the shifter supplied by Superformance. Dennis
Olthoff did the set up on my Superformance GT40 and the first thing he
did was replace the shift linkage with a revised setup of his own
design. It has different geometry, works better and doesn't require
grinding off part of the reinforcing ribs on the ZF case to get the
required clearance. I think the shifter on my Mangusta works pretty
well and I would say the gear changes in my GT40 with the Olthoff
linkage are at least as good. Rod type shift linkage in the
Superformance GT40 works best in the right hand drive cars where the
shift rod travels straight back along the fuel sponson per the original
design.
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:33 PM, Scott Mead Photography
<[2]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Aloha everyone,
I just dropped by Paul DeCoite's shop for some bench racing, and
the topic of his Superformance Ford GT40 came up - specifically the
crappy cable shifter selecting the cogs in the ZF.
Paul said he'd been in contact with the folks at Holman Moody, and
there isn't a ZF linkage for left-hand-drive GT40, as the box is
upside down. This got me wondering: the box in a Mangusta IS upside
down (compared to the Pantera), so couldn't that linkage somehow be
adapted?
Mahalos,
Scott
Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 15:31:47 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
Cc: Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mangusta shift linkage in a GT40??
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Fwiw the CEO of Superformance totalled his own personal GT40 by blowing a downshift while exiting a freeway at speed. Tried to downshift from 5-4 and went 5-2 instead. Locked up the rear wheels, did a 180 spin and crashed into the guardrail backwards at high speed.
It would have taken tremendous work to accomplish that with a rod shifter I think....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 30, 2016, at 13:56, Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
> Yep, the shifter setup is the stock Superformance cable system for LHD.
> Finding gears is vague at best, and feels like you're rowing through a
> bowl of rocks with a few tree roots thrown in for good measure.
>
> Mahalos to everyone whose replied on this thread. I'll be passing along
> the info to Paul and hopefully soon, every shifter throw won't be
> accompanied by a string of explicatives!
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:19 AM, Daryl Adams <[1]daryl.architect at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Actually the ZF in the GT40 is right side up. The problem is that the
> GT40 has a specifically designed route through the tub for the shift
> rod that is very different from the path the rod takes in a Mangusta. I
> wonder if Paul is using the shifter supplied by Superformance. Dennis
> Olthoff did the set up on my Superformance GT40 and the first thing he
> did was replace the shift linkage with a revised setup of his own
> design. It has different geometry, works better and doesn't require
> grinding off part of the reinforcing ribs on the ZF case to get the
> required clearance. I think the shifter on my Mangusta works pretty
> well and I would say the gear changes in my GT40 with the Olthoff
> linkage are at least as good. Rod type shift linkage in the
> Superformance GT40 works best in the right hand drive cars where the
> shift rod travels straight back along the fuel sponson per the original
> design.
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:33 PM, Scott Mead Photography
> <[2]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>
> Aloha everyone,
> I just dropped by Paul DeCoite's shop for some bench racing, and
> the topic of his Superformance Ford GT40 came up - specifically the
> crappy cable shifter selecting the cogs in the ZF.
> Paul said he'd been in contact with the folks at Holman Moody, and
> there isn't a ZF linkage for left-hand-drive GT40, as the box is
> upside down. This got me wondering: the box in a Mangusta IS upside
> down (compared to the Pantera), so couldn't that linkage somehow be
> adapted?
> Mahalos,
> Scott
> Sent from my iPhone
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Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 01:35:29 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mangusta shift linkage in a GT40??
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That story has connotations of why I changed my shifter on my first GT40, a missed upshift on a freeway onramp, went from 3-1 instead of 3-4, over revving the engine (SBF 302) enough to slightly bend the intake valves.
Julian
> On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Fwiw the CEO of Superformance totalled his own personal GT40 by blowing a downshift while exiting a freeway at speed. Tried to downshift from 5-4 and went 5-2 instead. Locked up the rear wheels, did a 180 spin and crashed into the guardrail backwards at high speed.
>
> It would have taken tremendous work to accomplish that with a rod shifter I think....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 30, 2016, at 13:56, Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yep, the shifter setup is the stock Superformance cable system for LHD.
>> Finding gears is vague at best, and feels like you're rowing through a
>> bowl of rocks with a few tree roots thrown in for good measure.
>>
>> Mahalos to everyone whose replied on this thread. I'll be passing along
>> the info to Paul and hopefully soon, every shifter throw won't be
>> accompanied by a string of explicatives!
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:19 AM, Daryl Adams <[1]daryl.architect at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Actually the ZF in the GT40 is right side up. The problem is that the
>> GT40 has a specifically designed route through the tub for the shift
>> rod that is very different from the path the rod takes in a Mangusta. I
>> wonder if Paul is using the shifter supplied by Superformance. Dennis
>> Olthoff did the set up on my Superformance GT40 and the first thing he
>> did was replace the shift linkage with a revised setup of his own
>> design. It has different geometry, works better and doesn't require
>> grinding off part of the reinforcing ribs on the ZF case to get the
>> required clearance. I think the shifter on my Mangusta works pretty
>> well and I would say the gear changes in my GT40 with the Olthoff
>> linkage are at least as good. Rod type shift linkage in the
>> Superformance GT40 works best in the right hand drive cars where the
>> shift rod travels straight back along the fuel sponson per the original
>> design.
>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:33 PM, Scott Mead Photography
>> <[2]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>>
>> Aloha everyone,
>> I just dropped by Paul DeCoite's shop for some bench racing, and
>> the topic of his Superformance Ford GT40 came up - specifically the
>> crappy cable shifter selecting the cogs in the ZF.
>> Paul said he'd been in contact with the folks at Holman Moody, and
>> there isn't a ZF linkage for left-hand-drive GT40, as the box is
>> upside down. This got me wondering: the box in a Mangusta IS upside
>> down (compared to the Pantera), so couldn't that linkage somehow be
>> adapted?
>> Mahalos,
>> Scott
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 07:30:27 -0800
From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
To: "'The DeTomaso Registry Guy'" <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2709 Fixed ?
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Ouch - how does a hood get peeled back like that? Must have been backed
over by a truck . . .
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>From 2006.
Interesting history in the registry. (2709)
Could this car be restored within financial reason?
What does she look like now ?
I'm adding fresh photos later today.
Chuck
The De Tomaso Registry Guy
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 16:29:55 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com>, Detomaso List
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] AC hose routing
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Corey,
I didn't see any responses to your question.
I have done the rear concealed hoses through the right fender well. It's the same route you would use for the wiring loom along the upper chassis rail, which you can drill and use self tapping screws and hose clamps (the rubber cushioned tubing clip style) to hold the hoses in place. You'll need to notch the forward rear splash guard to accommodate the hoses and cut a hole in the rearmost corner of the trunk to route them through. It should be somewhat intuitive when you line up the access from under the fender well. This is most certainly a case of a picture is worth a thousand words but I'm afraid I didn't take any at the time and it was a customer car.
Stock hoses are just a bit short to route this way, we made up hoses that were a foot longer to make it easier.
I don't have experiences with the front mount condenser, if I were to do it I'd probably route the high pressure side from the compressor to the front mount condenser through the right rocker panel. If I recall correctly the conversion I saw had the drier mounted in the front trunk corner behind the battery location. The hose to the evaporator could probably be routed through the front trunk and firewall to be a relatively short hose.
Here's some photos of a front mount system that Brooke installed back in 2007, drier in the forward wheel well.
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7890077274/m/2730032964
Julian
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All,
Please educate me on AC hose routing, etc. for rear condenser systems as well as front condenser conversions. For the rear condenser option, I'd be concealing the hoses. Pics and help is much appreciated!
PS, I'm not asking for opinions on which (front or rear) is the best way to go. I'm sure there are a few opinions on this! I'm just looking to see if I need to modify my car further for either option.
Corey
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Corey,
I didn't see any responses to your question.
I have done the rear concealed hoses through the right fender well.
It's the same route you would use for the wiring loom along the upper
chassis rail, which you can drill and use self tapping screws and hose
clamps (the rubber cushioned tubing clip style) to hold the hoses in
place. You'll need to notch the forward rear splash guard to
accommodate the hoses and cut a hole in the rearmost corner of
the trunk to route them through. It should be somewhat intuitive when
you line up the access from under the fender well. This is most
certainly a case of a picture is worth a thousand words but I'm afraid
I didn't take any at the time and it was a customer car.
Stock hoses are just a bit short to route this way, we made up hoses
that were a foot longer to make it easier.
I don't have experiences with the front mount condenser, if I were to
do it I'd probably route the high pressure side from the compressor to
the front mount condenser through the right rocker panel. If I recall
correctly the conversion I saw had the drier mounted in the front trunk
corner behind the battery location. The hose to the evaporator could
probably be routed through the front trunk and firewall to be a
relatively short hose.
Here's some photos of a front mount system that Brooke installed back
in 2007, drier in the forward wheel well.
[1]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7890077274/m/2730032964
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
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Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 7:11:22 AM
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Subject: [DeTomaso] AC hose routing
All,
Please educate me on AC hose routing, etc. for rear condenser systems
as well as front condenser conversions. For the rear condenser option,
I'd be concealing the hoses. Pics and help is much appreciated!
PS, I'm not asking for opinions on which (front or rear) is the best
way to go. I'm sure there are a few opinions on this! I'm just
looking to see if I need to modify my car further for either option.
Corey
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 10:37:48 -0600
From: David <david at msmcontractors.org>
Cc: DeTomaso List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, The DeTomaso
Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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Happy New Year All!
I had stock headlights and wanted to do an upgrade. Love all the low profile but didn't want to cut my buckets. Stumbled across Vintagecarled.com
They had drop in bulbs that are half the wattage draw and a bit brighter!
I'm calling it good for now.
Wishing a Very Blessed 2017 to each and every great Pantera person.
David Finley
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As for an electric fuel pump, there is another option. In 2008, I
installed a stock Ford in-tank fuel pump, adapting it to a stock
Pantera fuel sender, suitably modified for electric connections and
fuel. Not difficult, it fits in an unmodified tank and the advantages
are- Ford sold millions of them so the design is THOROUGHLY tested,
they are dirt cheap anywhere on the globe or if you insist, aftermarket
versions are nearly as plentiful and are of the same dimensions.
Running inside the tank, the pump is nearly silent, well protected and
is submerged so zero chance of vapor lock or pump overheating. It also
has no vulnerable fittings handing down from the thin fuel tank bottom.
There are two versions of pump- for use with carbs, I used a TBI
version that runs at 12 psi and can be externally regulated down to 7
psi for a carb without problems. The other which looks identical runs
at 48-52 psi for multiport EFI. It CANNOT be regulated down; the
massive blockage of fuel flow in reducing pressure that much causes the
pump to overheat and shut down.
The illustrated 3-pg installation article is in the Aug 2009 POCA
Newsletter. Members can log into POCA.com, select 'documents', select
2009 and August, then download the article. This was one of quite a
number lost when my back-up hard drive seized in '08 and destroyed the
computer's power supply. I've been slowly scanning paper copies back in
to restore POCA's records and I just finished Aug 2009. Good luck- J
DeRyke
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 18:32:22 +0000
From: Julian Kift <[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Rob Dumoulin <[6]rob at dumoulins.net>, Pantera - Mail List
<[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Pump Advice
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Most folks using an external electric fuel pump are drawing fuel from
the bottom of the tank via the drain plug port. Electric fuel pumps
don't like running dry and are typically not self priming so require a
head of fuel over them. This leaves your current fuel pickup to be used
as the bypass return, you'll want to remove the sock filter though.
Speaking of which you should consider installing a rollover valve on
your tank vent line, Hall sells a unit that bolts right in place of the
stock vent.
[9]http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc&
item=22057
Internal bypass pumps are normally pressure limited pumps i.e. they
have built in self regulation and can be used with a static regulator
(non bypass), so not ideal for high HP applications as you have
identified.
As the pump is going to have higher capacity than you are drawing most
of the time, the problem with Teeing the return back to the pump feed
is that you risk fuel constantly recirculating and heating leading to
vapor lock in hotter weather. I'm pretty sure there must be other
reasons not to do it related to pump performance in a closed loop
system.
You could opt for an in tank pump, which provides the option to use the
existing fuel pickup and is always primed (well unless you run out of
fuel!) but may suffer from fuel slosh/surge at low fuel. Typically in
tank pumps have a baffle or the tank is designed with a low point/sump
for the pump to sit in.
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[10]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Rob Dumoulin <[11]rob at dumoulins.net>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 5:09:32 AM
To: Pantera - Mail List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Pump Advice
Update based on feedback I received. Thanks to everybody.
- Using a Bypass-style regulator is recommended, especially at my HP
range.
- Add a 100 Micron fuel filter before the pump, regular one after
- 7 PSI is what I should target as inlet pressure to the carb
- An oil pressure cutoff switch is important
- An inertial cutout switch is a nice addition
- A momentary (manual) or timed primer circuit is recommended
What are my options for the bypass circuit?
- Add a return port to the gas tank (Not a desired choice for me)?
- Add a T before the fuel pump and recirculate warm fuel
- Use a pump with an internal bypass (Is this a good option)?
Can I use the tank vent line somehow and vent the tank some other way?
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Rob Dumoulin <[12]rob at dumoulins.net>
wrote:
> My Titus block build is about to start and it was realized that the
block
> was not machined for a mechanical fuel pump like I expected. Call it
blind
> faith vs. Murphy's Law. The engine will be in the 600 HP range with
an 800
> CFM carb. Any suggestions for a trouble-free electric fuel pump that
can
> be wired for safety into an oil pressure sensor shutoff?
>
> Rob
>
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Most folks using an external electric fuel pump are drawing fuel from
the bottom of the tank via the drain plug port. Electric fuel pumps
don't like running dry and are typically not self priming so require a
head of fuel over them. This leaves your current fuel pickup to be used
as the bypass return, you'll want to remove the sock filter though.
Speaking of which you should consider installing a rollover valve on
your tank vent line, Hall sells a unit that bolts right in place of the
stock vent.
[1][13]http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-
inc&
item=22057
Internal bypass pumps are normally pressure limited pumps i.e. they
have built in self regulation and can be used with a static regulator
(non bypass), so not ideal for high HP applications as you have
identified.
As the pump is going to have higher capacity than you are drawing most
of the time, the problem with Teeing the return back to the pump feed
is that you risk fuel constantly recirculating and heating leading
to vapor lock in hotter weather. I'm pretty sure there must be
other reasons not to do it related to pump performance in a closed loop
system.
You could opt for an in tank pump, which provides the option to use
the existing fuel pickup and is always primed (well unless you run out
of fuel!) but may suffer from fuel slosh/surge at low fuel. Typically
in tank pumps have a baffle or the tank is designed with a low
point/sump for the pump to sit in.
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[14]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of
Rob Dumoulin <[15]rob at dumoulins.net>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 5:09:32 AM
To: Pantera - Mail List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Pump Advice
Update based on feedback I received. Thanks to everybody.
- Using a Bypass-style regulator is recommended, especially at my HP
range.
- Add a 100 Micron fuel filter before the pump, regular one after
- 7 PSI is what I should target as inlet pressure to the carb
- An oil pressure cutoff switch is important
- An inertial cutout switch is a nice addition
- A momentary (manual) or timed primer circuit is recommended
What are my options for the bypass circuit?
- Add a return port to the gas tank (Not a desired choice for me)?
- Add a T before the fuel pump and recirculate warm fuel
- Use a pump with an internal bypass (Is this a good option)?
Can I use the tank vent line somehow and vent the tank some other way?
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Rob Dumoulin <[16]rob at dumoulins.net>
wrote:
> My Titus block build is about to start and it was realized that the
block
> was not machined for a mechanical fuel pump like I expected. Call it
blind
> faith vs. Murphy's Law. The engine will be in the 600 HP range with
an 800
> CFM carb. Any suggestions for a trouble-free electric fuel pump that
can
> be wired for safety into an oil pressure sensor shutoff?
>
> Rob
>
References
1.
[17]http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc
&item=22057
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:26:00 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[18]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "DeTomaso List" <[19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] 2709 Fixed ?
Message-ID: <623A393C45A843A4A28747CF32DD6487 at BOSS3A>
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>From 2006.
Interesting history in the registry. (2709)
Could this car be restored within financial reason?
What does she look like now ?
I'm adding fresh photos later today.
Chuck
The De Tomaso Registry Guy
[20]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
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From 2006...
[cid:[21]image001.jpg at 01D2628F.7E6D8DC0]
Interesting history in the registry... (2709)
Could this car be restored within financial reason?
What does she look like now ?
I'm adding fresh photos later today.
Chuck
The De Tomaso Registry Guy
[1][22]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
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Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:56:44 -1000
From: Scott Mead Photography <[25]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
To: Daryl Adams <[26]daryl.architect at gmail.com>
Cc: Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <[27]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mangusta shift linkage in a GT40??
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Yep, the shifter setup is the stock Superformance cable system for LHD.
Finding gears is vague at best, and feels like you're rowing through a
bowl of rocks with a few tree roots thrown in for good measure.
Mahalos to everyone whose replied on this thread. I'll be passing along
the info to Paul and hopefully soon, every shifter throw won't be
accompanied by a string of explicatives!
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:19 AM, Daryl Adams
<[29]daryl.architect at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Actually the ZF in the GT40 is right side up. The problem is that the
GT40 has a specifically designed route through the tub for the shift
rod that is very different from the path the rod takes in a Mangusta. I
wonder if Paul is using the shifter supplied by Superformance. Dennis
Olthoff did the set up on my Superformance GT40 and the first thing he
did was replace the shift linkage with a revised setup of his own
design. It has different geometry, works better and doesn't require
grinding off part of the reinforcing ribs on the ZF case to get the
required clearance. I think the shifter on my Mangusta works pretty
well and I would say the gear changes in my GT40 with the Olthoff
linkage are at least as good. Rod type shift linkage in the
Superformance GT40 works best in the right hand drive cars where the
shift rod travels straight back along the fuel sponson per the original
design.
>
>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:33 PM, Scott Mead Photography
<[30]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>> Aloha everyone,
>>
>> I just dropped by Paul DeCoite's shop for some bench racing, and the
topic of his Superformance Ford GT40 came up - specifically the crappy
cable shifter selecting the cogs in the ZF.
>>
>> Paul said he'd been in contact with the folks at Holman Moody, and
there isn't a ZF linkage for left-hand-drive GT40, as the box is upside
down. This got me wondering: the box in a Mangusta IS upside down
(compared to the Pantera), so couldn't that linkage somehow be adapted?
>>
>> Mahalos,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Yep, the shifter setup is the stock Superformance cable system for LHD.
Finding gears is vague at best, and feels like you're rowing through a
bowl of rocks with a few tree roots thrown in for good measure.
Mahalos to everyone whose replied on this thread. I'll be passing along
the info to Paul and hopefully soon, every shifter throw won't be
accompanied by a string of explicatives!
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:19 AM, Daryl Adams
<[1][33]daryl.architect at gmail.com>
wrote:
Actually the ZF in the GT40 is right side up. The problem is that the
GT40 has a specifically designed route through the tub for the shift
rod that is very different from the path the rod takes in a Mangusta. I
wonder if Paul is using the shifter supplied by Superformance. Dennis
Olthoff did the set up on my Superformance GT40 and the first thing he
did was replace the shift linkage with a revised setup of his own
design. It has different geometry, works better and doesn't require
grinding off part of the reinforcing ribs on the ZF case to get the
required clearance. I think the shifter on my Mangusta works pretty
well and I would say the gear changes in my GT40 with the Olthoff
linkage are at least as good. Rod type shift linkage in the
Superformance GT40 works best in the right hand drive cars where the
shift rod travels straight back along the fuel sponson per the original
design.
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:33 PM, Scott Mead Photography
<[2][34]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Aloha everyone,
I just dropped by Paul DeCoite's shop for some bench racing, and
the topic of his Superformance Ford GT40 came up - specifically the
crappy cable shifter selecting the cogs in the ZF.
Paul said he'd been in contact with the folks at Holman Moody, and
there isn't a ZF linkage for left-hand-drive GT40, as the box is
upside down. This got me wondering: the box in a Mangusta IS upside
down (compared to the Pantera), so couldn't that linkage somehow be
adapted?
Mahalos,
Scott
Sent from my iPhone
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Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 15:31:47 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[41]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Scott Mead Photography <[42]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
Cc: Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <[43]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mangusta shift linkage in a GT40??
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Fwiw the CEO of Superformance totalled his own personal GT40 by blowing
a downshift while exiting a freeway at speed. Tried to downshift from
5-4 and went 5-2 instead. Locked up the rear wheels, did a 180 spin and
crashed into the guardrail backwards at high speed.
It would have taken tremendous work to accomplish that with a rod
shifter I think....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 30, 2016, at 13:56, Scott Mead Photography
<[45]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
> Yep, the shifter setup is the stock Superformance cable system for
LHD.
> Finding gears is vague at best, and feels like you're rowing through
a
> bowl of rocks with a few tree roots thrown in for good measure.
>
> Mahalos to everyone whose replied on this thread. I'll be passing
along
> the info to Paul and hopefully soon, every shifter throw won't be
> accompanied by a string of explicatives!
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:19 AM, Daryl Adams
<[1][46]daryl.architect at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Actually the ZF in the GT40 is right side up. The problem is that the
> GT40 has a specifically designed route through the tub for the shift
> rod that is very different from the path the rod takes in a Mangusta.
I
> wonder if Paul is using the shifter supplied by Superformance. Dennis
> Olthoff did the set up on my Superformance GT40 and the first thing
he
> did was replace the shift linkage with a revised setup of his own
> design. It has different geometry, works better and doesn't require
> grinding off part of the reinforcing ribs on the ZF case to get the
> required clearance. I think the shifter on my Mangusta works pretty
> well and I would say the gear changes in my GT40 with the Olthoff
> linkage are at least as good. Rod type shift linkage in the
> Superformance GT40 works best in the right hand drive cars where the
> shift rod travels straight back along the fuel sponson per the
original
> design.
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:33 PM, Scott Mead Photography
> <[2][47]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>
> Aloha everyone,
> I just dropped by Paul DeCoite's shop for some bench racing, and
> the topic of his Superformance Ford GT40 came up - specifically the
> crappy cable shifter selecting the cogs in the ZF.
> Paul said he'd been in contact with the folks at Holman Moody, and
> there isn't a ZF linkage for left-hand-drive GT40, as the box is
> upside down. This got me wondering: the box in a Mangusta IS upside
> down (compared to the Pantera), so couldn't that linkage somehow be
> adapted?
> Mahalos,
> Scott
> Sent from my iPhone
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Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 01:35:29 +0000
From: Julian Kift <[56]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Mike Drew <[57]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <[58]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mangusta shift linkage in a GT40??
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That story has connotations of why I changed my shifter on my first
GT40, a missed upshift on a freeway onramp, went from 3-1 instead of
3-4, over revving the engine (SBF 302) enough to slightly bend the
intake valves.
Julian
> On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[60]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Fwiw the CEO of Superformance totalled his own personal GT40 by
blowing a downshift while exiting a freeway at speed. Tried to
downshift from 5-4 and went 5-2 instead. Locked up the rear wheels, did
a 180 spin and crashed into the guardrail backwards at high speed.
>
> It would have taken tremendous work to accomplish that with a rod
shifter I think....
>
> Mike
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 30, 2016, at 13:56, Scott Mead Photography
<[61]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yep, the shifter setup is the stock Superformance cable system for
LHD.
>> Finding gears is vague at best, and feels like you're rowing through
a
>> bowl of rocks with a few tree roots thrown in for good measure.
>>
>> Mahalos to everyone whose replied on this thread. I'll be passing
along
>> the info to Paul and hopefully soon, every shifter throw won't be
>> accompanied by a string of explicatives!
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:19 AM, Daryl Adams
<[1][62]daryl.architect at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Actually the ZF in the GT40 is right side up. The problem is that
the
>> GT40 has a specifically designed route through the tub for the shift
>> rod that is very different from the path the rod takes in a
Mangusta. I
>> wonder if Paul is using the shifter supplied by Superformance.
Dennis
>> Olthoff did the set up on my Superformance GT40 and the first thing
he
>> did was replace the shift linkage with a revised setup of his own
>> design. It has different geometry, works better and doesn't require
>> grinding off part of the reinforcing ribs on the ZF case to get the
>> required clearance. I think the shifter on my Mangusta works pretty
>> well and I would say the gear changes in my GT40 with the Olthoff
>> linkage are at least as good. Rod type shift linkage in the
>> Superformance GT40 works best in the right hand drive cars where the
>> shift rod travels straight back along the fuel sponson per the
original
>> design.
>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:33 PM, Scott Mead Photography
>> <[2][63]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>>
>> Aloha everyone,
>> I just dropped by Paul DeCoite's shop for some bench racing, and
>> the topic of his Superformance Ford GT40 came up - specifically the
>> crappy cable shifter selecting the cogs in the ZF.
>> Paul said he'd been in contact with the folks at Holman Moody, and
>> there isn't a ZF linkage for left-hand-drive GT40, as the box is
>> upside down. This got me wondering: the box in a Mangusta IS upside
>> down (compared to the Pantera), so couldn't that linkage somehow be
>> adapted?
>> Mahalos,
>> Scott
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 07:30:27 -0800
From: "Mike Thomas" <[74]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
To: "'The DeTomaso Registry Guy'" <[75]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2709 Fixed ?
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Ouch - how does a hood get peeled back like that? Must have been backed
over by a truck . . .
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>From 2006.
Interesting history in the registry. (2709)
Could this car be restored within financial reason?
What does she look like now ?
I'm adding fresh photos later today.
Chuck
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 16:29:55 +0000
From: Julian Kift <[80]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Corey Price <[81]coreyjprice at gmail.com>, Detomaso List
<[82]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] AC hose routing
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Corey,
I didn't see any responses to your question.
I have done the rear concealed hoses through the right fender well.
It's the same route you would use for the wiring loom along the upper
chassis rail, which you can drill and use self tapping screws and hose
clamps (the rubber cushioned tubing clip style) to hold the hoses in
place. You'll need to notch the forward rear splash guard to
accommodate the hoses and cut a hole in the rearmost corner of the
trunk to route them through. It should be somewhat intuitive when you
line up the access from under the fender well. This is most certainly a
case of a picture is worth a thousand words but I'm afraid I didn't
take any at the time and it was a customer car.
Stock hoses are just a bit short to route this way, we made up hoses
that were a foot longer to make it easier.
I don't have experiences with the front mount condenser, if I were to
do it I'd probably route the high pressure side from the compressor to
the front mount condenser through the right rocker panel. If I recall
correctly the conversion I saw had the drier mounted in the front trunk
corner behind the battery location. The hose to the evaporator could
probably be routed through the front trunk and firewall to be a
relatively short hose.
Here's some photos of a front mount system that Brooke installed back
in 2007, drier in the forward wheel well.
[84]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7890077274/m/273003296
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Julian
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Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 7:11:22 AM
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All,
Please educate me on AC hose routing, etc. for rear condenser systems
as well as front condenser conversions. For the rear condenser option,
I'd be concealing the hoses. Pics and help is much appreciated!
PS, I'm not asking for opinions on which (front or rear) is the best
way to go. I'm sure there are a few opinions on this! I'm just looking
to see if I need to modify my car further for either option.
Corey
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Corey,
I didn't see any responses to your question.
I have done the rear concealed hoses through the right fender well.
It's the same route you would use for the wiring loom along the upper
chassis rail, which you can drill and use self tapping screws and hose
clamps (the rubber cushioned tubing clip style) to hold the hoses in
place. You'll need to notch the forward rear splash guard to
accommodate the hoses and cut a hole in the rearmost corner of
the trunk to route them through. It should be somewhat intuitive when
you line up the access from under the fender well. This is most
certainly a case of a picture is worth a thousand words but I'm afraid
I didn't take any at the time and it was a customer car.
Stock hoses are just a bit short to route this way, we made up hoses
that were a foot longer to make it easier.
I don't have experiences with the front mount condenser, if I were to
do it I'd probably route the high pressure side from the compressor to
the front mount condenser through the right rocker panel. If I recall
correctly the conversion I saw had the drier mounted in the front trunk
corner behind the battery location. The hose to the evaporator could
probably be routed through the front trunk and firewall to be a
relatively short hose.
Here's some photos of a front mount system that Brooke installed back
in 2007, drier in the forward wheel well.
[1][89]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7890077274/m/273003
2964
Julian
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Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 7:11:22 AM
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Subject: [DeTomaso] AC hose routing
All,
Please educate me on AC hose routing, etc. for rear condenser systems
as well as front condenser conversions. For the rear condenser option,
I'd be concealing the hoses. Pics and help is much appreciated!
PS, I'm not asking for opinions on which (front or rear) is the best
way to go. I'm sure there are a few opinions on this! I'm just
looking to see if I need to modify my car further for either option.
Corey
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 10:37:48 -0600
From: David <[96]david at msmcontractors.org>
Cc: DeTomaso List <[97]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, The DeTomaso
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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Happy New Year All!
I had stock headlights and wanted to do an upgrade. Love all the low
profile but didn't want to cut my buckets. Stumbled across
Vintagecarled.com
They had drop in bulbs that are half the wattage draw and a bit
brighter!
I'm calling it good for now.
Wishing a Very Blessed 2017 to each and every great Pantera person.
David Finley
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