[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
tom ware
ace595 at hotmail.com
Thu Jan 5 19:30:27 EST 2017
Thank you everyone for your input and feed back
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 5, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> Conventional wisdom has it that .030 is the most you can safely go on a 351C and even that is pushing it. Some makers sell .060 pistons, which is a joke. Sonic-testing the block is a must before it gets anywhere near a boring bar, lest you wind up with results like yours.
>
> In my case, the block I got would clean up at .030 over but sonic testing revealed one cylinder had especially thin walls, so that hole was sleeved prior to the engine being built.
>
> In your case, your existing block might be just as good/bad as the next one. Only sonic testing will reveal the truth. Once that is done, you can make an educated decision as to whether the block should be salvaged and that one hole sleeved, or if it should be replaced.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 11:03 AM, tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Question for the fellow owners?
>>
>> the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
>> dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
>>
>> after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
>> the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
>> bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
>>
>> or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
>>
>> Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
>> Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon
>> NJ 07508
>> [1]Ace595 at hotmail.com | [2]www.acesecurity.net
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>> Today's Topics:
>> 1. Re: NPC - and just a bit of car stuff (MSM Contractors)
>> 2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
>> 3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>> (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
>> 4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
>> 5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
>> 6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
>> 7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
>> 8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
>> 9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
>> From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
>> To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
>> Message-ID: <E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> Perfect!
>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>> [4]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734
>> 911
>>>
>> 6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
>>> D30
>>>
>>> Nice sentiment.A
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> 6559
>>>
>>> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
>> many
>>> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>>>
>>> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
>>> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
>> the
>>> people who made the components that went into it,
>>>
>>> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
>>> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
>> trucks
>>> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
>> from
>>> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
>> dealership
>>> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
>>> know how many people it fed.
>>>
>>> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
>> When
>>> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
>>> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
>>> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>>>
>>> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
>>> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
>> shoving
>>> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
>> From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>> Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
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>> May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
>> video
>> of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
>> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
>> got a
>> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
>> license
>> plate - did it used to be white?
>>
>> [6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
>> video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
>> Combe.
>> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
>> Only
>> got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
>> Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
>> [7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
>> From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
>> List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>> Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
>> got a
>> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
>> license
>> plate - did it used to be white?
>>
>> [8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>>
>> Plate GTS 5W ?
>> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
>> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
>> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
>> car.
>> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
>> the entry.
>> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
>> Chuck
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
>> From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>> Jeff touched on this point.
>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>> Dave
>>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>> pattern function and temperature.
>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
>> dreamed of producing.
>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
>> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
>> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>> as team with the LED.
>>>
>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>> glass bulb containing sodium
>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>
>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
>> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
>> you are in business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
>> a xenon
>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>> if the
>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>
>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>> beams, which
>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On Behalf
>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>> that the
>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>> the
>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
>> that all
>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
>> years.
>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>>> manufactures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [[10]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On Behalf
>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>> to
>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>> They
>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>> same.
>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>> little as I
>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
>> From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
>> To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> Dave,
>> I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
>> high
>> beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
>> high
>> beams, you need more power!
>> Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[11]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Dave Londry
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>> Jeff touched on this point.
>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>> Dave
>>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>> pattern
>> function and temperature.
>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>> light
>> housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
>> have
>> much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
>> producing.
>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>> time,
>> most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
>> 210 w
>> single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
>> blast a
>> massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>> as
>> team with the LED.
>>>
>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>> glass
>> bulb containing sodium
>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>> relative
>> to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>
>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
>> beam
>> pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>> place
>> of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
>> locates
>> the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
>> business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
>> a
>> xenon
>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>> if
>> the
>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>
>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>> beams,
>> which
>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [[12]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>> that
>> the
>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>> the
>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
>> that all
>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
>> years.
>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>>> manufactures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>> to
>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>> They
>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>> same.
>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>> little as
>> I
>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
>> To: <davel at emspace.com>
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> Message-ID: <4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>> Tomas
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
>> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>> Jeff touched on this point.
>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>> Dave
>>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>> pattern function and temperature.
>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>> bulbs
>> and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
>> dreamed of producing.
>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
>> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
>> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>> as team with the LED.
>>>
>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>> glass bulb containing sodium
>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>
>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
>> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>> that
>> locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
>> in business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
>> a
>> xenon
>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>> if the
>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>
>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>> beams,
>> which
>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [[15]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>> that the
>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>> the
>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
>> all
>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
>> years.
>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>>> manufactures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [[16]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>> to
>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>> They
>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>> same.
>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>> little as I
>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>> Tomas
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
>> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
>> wondering
>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
>> the
>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>> Jeff touched on this point.
>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>> Dave
>>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>> pattern function and temperature.
>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
>> ever
>> dreamed of producing.
>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
>> a
>> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
>> will
>> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
>> as
>> as team with the LED.
>>>
>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
>> a
>> glass bulb containing sodium
>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>
>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
>> flat
>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
>> light
>> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
>> the
>> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
>> you are in business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
>> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
>> putting
>> a xenon
>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
>> as
>> if the
>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>
>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>> beams, which
>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
>> [[18]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
>> me
>> that the
>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
>> produce
>> the
>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
>> that
>> all
>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
>> for
>> years.
>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
>> different
>>>> manufactures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
>> [[19]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
>> company
>> to
>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
>> units.
>> They
>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>> same.
>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>> little as I
>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
>> From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
>> To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>> Message-ID: <7B98FED4-77F1-43C6-9318-615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org>
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>> That was high beam?..
>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
>>>
>>> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>>> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
>>> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
>> wondering
>>> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
>> the
>>> retinas of the oncoming driver.
>>> Jeff touched on this point.
>>> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>>> Dave
>>>> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>>> pattern function and temperature.
>>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>>> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>>> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
>> ever
>>> dreamed of producing.
>>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>>> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
>> w, a
>>> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
>> will
>>> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>>> as team with the LED.
>>>>
>>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>>> glass bulb containing sodium
>>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>>> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>>
>>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>>> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
>> light
>>> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>>> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>>> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
>> then
>>> you are in business.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
>> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
>>> a xenon
>>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>>> if the
>>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>>
>>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>>> beams, which
>>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: DeTomaso
>> [[21]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>>> that the
>>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>>> the
>>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
>> that
>>> all
>>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
>> for
>>> years.
>>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>>>> manufactures.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: DeTomaso
>> [[22]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>>
>>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>>> to
>>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>>> They
>>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>>> same.
>>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>>> little as I
>>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
>> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>> Message-ID: <2BC46E79-666A-41AA-83BB-30981077FA40 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> Chuck,
>> The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro
>> GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
>> bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
>> RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
>> I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
>> it....
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
>> <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>>> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
>> got a
>>> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
>> license
>>> plate - did it used to be white?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [25]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Plate GTS 5W ?
>>>
>>> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
>>> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
>> Waltz".
>>>
>>> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
>> car.
>>> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
>> to the entry.
>>> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
>> work.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
>> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
>> Message-ID: <7684BDF4-2A60-497B-8454-2E9524D83F6C at aol.com>
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>> Guys,
>> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
>> Mike
>>> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>>>
>>> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>>>
>>> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
>> [27]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Guys,
>> thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
>> Mike
>> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>> From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
>> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
>> [1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>> References
>> 1. [28]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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