[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
Ken Green
kenn_green at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 5 15:06:15 EST 2017
Seems like recommendations should be based on the planned use?
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>; "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my concern
would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time before
you are into a full rebuild. It's good that you caught the #5 cylinder
crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being driven.
That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
internals that may be reusable right now.
As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding good
core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down some
serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
Julian
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Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
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1. Re: NPC - and just a bit of car stuff (MSM Contractors)
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3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
(The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
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Perfect!
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
[4]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734
911
>
6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
> D30
>
> Nice sentiment.A
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
many
> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>
> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
the
> people who made the components that went into it,
>
> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
trucks
> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
from
> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
dealership
> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
> know how many people it fed.
>
> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
When
> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>
> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
shoving
> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video
of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
-------------- next part --------------
May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
[7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
Plate GTS 5W ?
White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
the entry.
Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
Chuck
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
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I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[10]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dave,
I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
high
beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
high
beams, you need more power!
Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[11]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern
function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light
housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
have
much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time,
most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
210 w
single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
blast a
massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as
team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass
bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative
to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam
pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place
of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates
the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if
the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[12]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that
the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as
I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
To: <davel at emspace.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[15]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[16]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[18]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[19]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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That was high beam?..
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
>
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[21]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[22]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Chuck,
The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro
GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
it....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
> [25]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
>
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
>
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[27]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Seems like recommendations should be based on the planned use?
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From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>; "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my
concern
would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time
before
you are into a full rebuild. It's good that you caught the #5
cylinder
crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being
driven.
That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
internals that may be reusable right now.
As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding
good
core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down
some
serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.
Julian
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Question for the fellow owners?
the project I purchased came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
the cooling system ! so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave,
Haledon
NJ 07508
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1. Re: NPC - and just a bit of car stuff (MSM Contractors)
2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
(The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[15]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Jeff Detrich <[16]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: [17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
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Perfect!
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <[19]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
[4][20]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_102071985
3734
911
>
6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
> D30
>
> Nice sentiment.A
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
many
> people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>
> I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling
Green,
> Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it
fed
the
> people who made the components that went into it,
>
> it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
> wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
trucks
> that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
from
> the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
dealership
> and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really
don't
> know how many people it fed.
>
> That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
When
> you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give
them
> dignity for their skills.A When you give someone something for
> nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>
> Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something
of
> value.A Socialism is taking your money against your will and
shoving
> something down your throat that you never asked for.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[23]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[24]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
video
of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[6][25]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found
this
video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
Combe.
It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
[7][26]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[27]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles McCall'" <[28]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso
Email
List'" <[29]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
plate - did it used to be white?
[8][31]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
Plate GTS 5W ?
White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
car.
If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to
the entry.
Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
Chuck
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
From: Dave Londry <[32]davel at emspace.com>
To: [33]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[35]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[9]mailto:[36]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [37]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[10]mailto:[38]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[39]Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Dave Londry'" <[40]davel at emspace.com>,
<[41]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <[42]4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dave,
I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
high
beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
high
beams, you need more power!
Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso
[[11]mailto:[43]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: [44]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern
function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light
housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs
and
have
much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time,
most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
210 w
single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
blast a
massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as
team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass
bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative
to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam
pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place
of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates
the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[45]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if
the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[12]mailto:[46]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [47]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that
the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[13]mailto:[48]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as
I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[51]guson at home.se>
To: <[52]davel at emspace.com>
Cc: [53]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <[54]4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[55]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [56]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you
are
in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[57]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[15]mailto:[58]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [59]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[16]mailto:[60]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Dave Londry [[63]davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: [64]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by
cauterizing
the
retinas of the oncoming driver.
Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
Dave
On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp
design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output
lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro
designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1,
H-4
bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could
have
ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all
the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
w,
a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are
designed
as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament
or
a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to
take
the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a
company
that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[65]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as
effective
as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[18]mailto:[66]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: [67]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He
told
me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also
said
that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have
had
for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[19]mailto:[68]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using
the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For
as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <[71]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <[72]guson at home.se>
Cc: [73]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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That was high beam?..
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[75]guson at home.se>
wrote:
>
> If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
> pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Dave Londry [[76]davel at emspace.com]
> Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
> To: [77]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
> I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
wondering
> if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
the
> retinas of the oncoming driver.
> Jeff touched on this point.
> I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
> Dave
> On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
> pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
> light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
> bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
ever
> dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
> time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
w, a
> H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
will
> shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
as
> as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
a
> glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
> relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
flat
> surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
light
> beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
the
> place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a
company
> that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
then
> you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
<[78]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
putting
> a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
as
> if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
> beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[21]mailto:[79]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: [80]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
me
> that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
produce
> the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
that
> all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
for
> years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[[22]mailto:[81]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
company
> to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
units.
> They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
> same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
> little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[86]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[87]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <[88]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Chuck,
The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from
euro
GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he
owned
it....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<[90]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
Only
got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
>
[25][91]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
>
> White? Yes. Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
Waltz".
>
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for
this
car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
to the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
work.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[94]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <[95]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[27][97]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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Guys,
thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
Mike
Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
[1][98]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
References
1. [28][99]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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