[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5

Asa Jay Laughton asajay at asajay.com
Thu Jan 5 14:29:38 EST 2017


I'd sleeve it.  Cheap enough to do these days versus finding another block and getting it all machined.

Asa

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tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>Question for the fellow owners?
>
>the project I purchased  came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
>
>after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into the cooling system !   so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
>
>or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
>
>
>
>Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
>Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon NJ 07508
>Ace595 at hotmail.com<mailto:Ace595 at hotmail.com> | www.acesecurity.net<http://www.wisestamp.com/sig_iframe?origin=outlook&signature_id=6072763649359872>
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>   1. Re: NPC - and just a bit of car stuff (MSM Contractors)
>   2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
>   3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>      (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
>   4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
>   5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
>   6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
>   7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
>   8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
>   9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
>
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>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
>From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
>To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
>Message-ID: <E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Perfect!
>
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734911
>>   6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
>>   D30
>>
>>   Nice sentiment.A
>>
>>   Jeff
>>
>>   6559
>>
>>   A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how many
>>   people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>>
>>   I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
>>   Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed the
>>   people who made the components that went into it,
>>
>>   it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
>>   wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the trucks
>>   that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it from
>>   the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the dealership
>>   and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
>>   know how many people it fed.
>>
>>   That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality. When
>>   you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
>>   dignity for their skills.A  When you give someone something for
>>   nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>>
>>   Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
>>   value.A  Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving
>>   something down your throat that you never asked for.
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
>From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this video
>of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
>
>
>
>
>
>It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only got a
>quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters' license
>plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
>-------------- next part --------------
>   May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
>   video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
>   Combe.
>
>   It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>   Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
>   got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
>   Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
>From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
>        List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only got a
>quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters' license
>plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
>Plate GTS 5W ?
>
>White?  Yes.  Back when new in GB...
>It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
>
>But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this car.
>If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to the entry.
>Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
>From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
>To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>retinas of the oncoming driver.
>
>Jeff touched on this point.
>I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>
>Dave
>
>
>On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens, pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp).  He also said that all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie  units. They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
>From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
>To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
>        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Dave,
>
>I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the high
>beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you high
>beams, you need more power!
>
>Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>Of Dave Londry
>Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
>To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>
>I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>retinas of the oncoming driver.
>
>Jeff touched on this point.
>I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>
>Dave
>
>
>On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens, pattern
>function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed light
>housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and have
>much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
>producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the time,
>most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4 210 w
>single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun blast a
>massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as as
>team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a glass
>bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly relative
>to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light beam
>pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the place
>of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that locates
>the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting a
>xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as if
>the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high beams,
>which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me that
>the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp).  He also said that all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
>years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie  units. They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as little as
>I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
>From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
>To: <davel at emspace.com>
>Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>Message-ID: <4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
>Tomas
>
>
>
><-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>           From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
>Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>
>I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>retinas of the oncoming driver.
>
>Jeff touched on this point.
>I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>
>Dave
>
>
>On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs
>and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
>dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
>H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
>shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
>beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
>locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
>in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting a
>xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high beams,
>which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
>all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
>years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
>_______________________________________________
>
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>-------------- next part --------------
>   If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>   pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
>   Tomas
>   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>       From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
>   Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>   retinas of the oncoming driver.
>   Jeff touched on this point.
>   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>   Dave
>   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>   > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>   > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>   pattern function and temperature.
>   > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>   light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>   bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
>   dreamed of producing.
>   > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>   time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
>   H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
>   shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>   > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>   as team with the LED.
>   >
>   > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>   glass bulb containing sodium
>   > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>   relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>   >
>   > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
>   beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>   > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>   place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>   that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
>   you are in business.
>   >
>   >
>   > Jeff Cobb- I pad
>   >
>   > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>   wrote:
>   >
>   >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
>   a xenon
>   >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>   if the
>   >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>   >>
>   >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>   beams, which
>   >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>   >> -----Original Message-----
>   >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>   Behalf
>   >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>   >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>   >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>   >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   >>
>   >> Hi Jeff,
>   >>
>   >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>   that the
>   >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>   the
>   >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
>   all
>   >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
>   years.
>   >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>   >>
>   >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>   >> manufactures.
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> -----Original Message-----
>   >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>   Behalf
>   >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>   >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>   >> To: DeTomaso List
>   >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   >>
>   >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>   to
>   >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>   They
>   >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>   same.
>   >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>   little as I
>   >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>   >>
>   >>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
>From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
>To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
>Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>Message-ID: <7B98FED4-77F1-43C6-9318-615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org>
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>
>That was high beam?..
>
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
>>
>>   If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>>   pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>>
>>   Tomas
>>   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>       From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
>>   Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>>   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>>   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>>   retinas of the oncoming driver.
>>   Jeff touched on this point.
>>   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>>   Dave
>>   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>>   pattern function and temperature.
>>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>>   light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>>   bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
>>   dreamed of producing.
>>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>>   time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
>>   H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
>>   shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>>   as team with the LED.
>>>
>>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>>   glass bulb containing sodium
>>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>>   relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>>
>>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>>   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
>>   beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>>   place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>>   that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
>>   you are in business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
>>   a xenon
>>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>>   if the
>>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>>
>>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>>   beams, which
>>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>   Behalf
>>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>>   that the
>>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>>   the
>>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
>>   all
>>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
>>   years.
>>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>>> manufactures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>   Behalf
>>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>>
>>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>>   to
>>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>>   They
>>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>>   same.
>>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>>   little as I
>>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
>From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>Message-ID: <2BC46E79-666A-41AA-83BB-30981077FA40 at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii
>
>Chuck,
>
>The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so, bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
>
>I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned it....
>
>Mike
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only got a
>> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters' license
>> plate - did it used to be white?
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>>
>>
>>
>> Plate GTS 5W ?
>>
>> White?  Yes.  Back when new in GB...
>> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
>>
>> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this car.
>> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to the entry.
>> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
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>
>Message: 9
>Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
>From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
>Message-ID: <7684BDF4-2A60-497B-8454-2E9524D83F6C at aol.com>
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>
>Guys,
>
>thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
>
>Mike
>
>> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>>
>> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>>
>>
>> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>>
>> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>-------------- next part --------------
>   Guys,
>
>   thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
>
>   Mike
>
>   Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
>   From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
>
>
>   Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
>
>   The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
>   [1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>
>References
>
>   1. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>
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>End of DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5
>****************************************
>
>   Question for the fellow owners?
>
>   the project I purchased  came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
>   dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
>
>   after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
>   the cooling system !   so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
>   bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
>
>   or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
>
>   Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
>   Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon
>   NJ 07508
>   [1]Ace595 at hotmail.com | [2]www.acesecurity.net
>     __________________________________________________________________
>
>   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
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>      1. Re: NPC - and just a bit of car stuff (MSM Contractors)
>      2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
>      3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>         (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
>      4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
>      5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
>      6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
>      7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
>      8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
>      9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
>   ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Message: 1
>   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
>   From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
>   To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
>   Message-ID: <E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org>
>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>   Perfect!
>   > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>   >
>   >
>   [4]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734
>   911
>   >
>   6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
>   >   D30
>   >
>   >   Nice sentiment.A
>   >
>   >   Jeff
>   >
>   >   6559
>   >
>   >   A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
>   many
>   >   people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>   >
>   >   I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
>   >   Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
>   the
>   >   people who made the components that went into it,
>   >
>   >   it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
>   >   wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
>   trucks
>   >   that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
>   from
>   >   the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
>   dealership
>   >   and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
>   >   know how many people it fed.
>   >
>   >   That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
>   When
>   >   you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
>   >   dignity for their skills.A  When you give someone something for
>   >   nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>   >
>   >   Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
>   >   value.A  Socialism is taking your money against your will and
>   shoving
>   >   something down your throat that you never asked for.
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>   Message: 2
>   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
>   From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>   To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>   Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>   Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>   May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
>   video
>   of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
>   It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>   Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
>   got a
>   quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
>   license
>   plate - did it used to be white?
>
>   [6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>   -------------- next part --------------
>      May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
>      video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
>      Combe.
>      It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>      Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
>   Only
>      got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
>      Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
>      [7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>   ------------------------------
>   Message: 3
>   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
>   From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>   To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
>           List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>   Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
>   Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>   It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>   Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
>   got a
>   quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
>   license
>   plate - did it used to be white?
>
>   [8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>   Plate GTS 5W ?
>   White?  Yes.  Back when new in GB...
>   It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
>   But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
>   car.
>   If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
>   the entry.
>   Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
>   Chuck
>   ------------------------------
>   Message: 4
>   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
>   From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
>   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>   retinas of the oncoming driver.
>   Jeff touched on this point.
>   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>   Dave
>   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>   > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>   > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>   pattern function and temperature.
>   > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>   light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>   bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
>   dreamed of producing.
>   > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>   time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
>   H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
>   shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>   > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>   as team with the LED.
>   >
>   > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>   glass bulb containing sodium
>   > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>   relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>   >
>   > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
>   beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>   > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>   place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>   that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
>   you are in business.
>   >
>   >
>   > Jeff Cobb- I pad
>   >
>   > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>   wrote:
>   >
>   >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
>   a xenon
>   >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>   if the
>   >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>   >>
>   >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>   beams, which
>   >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>   >> -----Original Message-----
>   >> From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>   On Behalf
>   >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>   >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>   >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>   >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   >>
>   >> Hi Jeff,
>   >>
>   >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>   that the
>   >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>   the
>   >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp).  He also said
>   that all
>   >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
>   years.
>   >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>   >>
>   >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>   >> manufactures.
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> -----Original Message-----
>   >> From: DeTomaso [[10]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>   On Behalf
>   >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>   >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>   >> To: DeTomaso List
>   >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   >>
>   >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>   to
>   >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie  units.
>   They
>   >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>   same.
>   >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>   little as I
>   >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>   >>
>   >>
>   ------------------------------
>   Message: 5
>   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
>   From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
>   To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
>           <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
>   Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>   Dave,
>   I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
>   high
>   beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
>   high
>   beams, you need more power!
>   Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: DeTomaso [[11]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>   Behalf
>   Of Dave Londry
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
>   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>   retinas of the oncoming driver.
>   Jeff touched on this point.
>   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>   Dave
>   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>   > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>   > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>   pattern
>   function and temperature.
>   > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>   light
>   housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
>   have
>   much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
>   producing.
>   > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>   time,
>   most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
>   210 w
>   single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
>   blast a
>   massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>   > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>   as
>   team with the LED.
>   >
>   > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>   glass
>   bulb containing sodium
>   > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>   relative
>   to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>   >
>   > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
>   beam
>   pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>   > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>   place
>   of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
>   locates
>   the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
>   business.
>   >
>   >
>   > Jeff Cobb- I pad
>   >
>   > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>   wrote:
>   >
>   >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
>   a
>   xenon
>   >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>   if
>   the
>   >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>   >>
>   >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>   beams,
>   which
>   >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>   >> -----Original Message-----
>   >> From: DeTomaso [[12]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>   On
>   Behalf
>   >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>   >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>   >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>   >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   >>
>   >> Hi Jeff,
>   >>
>   >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>   that
>   the
>   >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>   the
>   >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp).  He also said
>   that all
>   >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
>   years.
>   >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>   >>
>   >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>   >> manufactures.
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> -----Original Message-----
>   >> From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>   On
>   Behalf
>   >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>   >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>   >> To: DeTomaso List
>   >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   >>
>   >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>   to
>   >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie  units.
>   They
>   >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>   same.
>   >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>   little as
>   I
>   >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>   >>
>   >>
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>   Message: 6
>   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
>   From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
>   To: <davel at emspace.com>
>   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   Message-ID: <4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>   If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>   pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>   Tomas
>   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>              From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
>   Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>   retinas of the oncoming driver.
>   Jeff touched on this point.
>   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>   Dave
>   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>   > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>   > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>   pattern function and temperature.
>   > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>   light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>   bulbs
>   and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
>   dreamed of producing.
>   > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>   time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
>   H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
>   shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>   > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>   as team with the LED.
>   >
>   > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>   glass bulb containing sodium
>   > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>   relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>   >
>   > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
>   beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>   > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>   place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>   that
>   locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
>   in business.
>   >
>   >
>   > Jeff Cobb- I pad
>   >
>   > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>   wrote:
>   >
>   >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
>   a
>   xenon
>   >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>   if the
>   >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>   >>
>   >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>   beams,
>   which
>   >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>   >> -----Original Message-----
>   >> From: DeTomaso [[15]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>   On
>   Behalf
>   >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>   >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>   >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>   >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   >>
>   >> Hi Jeff,
>   >>
>   >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>   that the
>   >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>   the
>   >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
>   all
>   >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
>   years.
>   >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>   >>
>   >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>   >> manufactures.
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> -----Original Message-----
>   >> From: DeTomaso [[16]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>   On
>   Behalf
>   >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>   >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>   >> To: DeTomaso List
>   >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   >>
>   >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>   to
>   >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>   They
>   >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>   same.
>   >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>   little as I
>   >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>   >>
>   >>
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>   -------------- next part --------------
>      If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>      pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>      Tomas
>      <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>          From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
>      Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>      To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>      I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
>   wondering
>      if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
>   the
>      retinas of the oncoming driver.
>      Jeff touched on this point.
>      I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>      Dave
>      On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>      > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>      > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>      pattern function and temperature.
>      > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>      light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>      bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
>   ever
>      dreamed of producing.
>      > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>      time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
>   a
>      H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
>   will
>      shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>      > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
>   as
>      as team with the LED.
>      >
>      > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
>   a
>      glass bulb containing sodium
>      > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>      relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>      >
>      > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
>   flat
>      surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
>   light
>      beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>      > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
>   the
>      place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>      that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
>      you are in business.
>      >
>      >
>      > Jeff Cobb- I pad
>      >
>      > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
>   <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>      wrote:
>      >
>      >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
>   putting
>      a xenon
>      >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
>   as
>      if the
>      >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>      >>
>      >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>      beams, which
>      >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>      >> -----Original Message-----
>      >> From: DeTomaso
>   [[18]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>      Behalf
>      >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>      >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>      >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>      >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>      >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>      >>
>      >> Hi Jeff,
>      >>
>      >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
>   me
>      that the
>      >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
>   produce
>      the
>      >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
>   that
>      all
>      >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
>   for
>      years.
>      >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>      >>
>      >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
>   different
>      >> manufactures.
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> -----Original Message-----
>      >> From: DeTomaso
>   [[19]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>      Behalf
>      >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>      >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>      >> To: DeTomaso List
>      >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>      >>
>      >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
>   company
>      to
>      >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
>   units.
>      They
>      >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>      same.
>      >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>      little as I
>      >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>      >>
>      >>
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>   Message: 7
>   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
>   From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
>   To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
>   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   Message-ID: <7B98FED4-77F1-43C6-9318-615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org>
>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>   That was high beam?..
>   > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
>   >
>   >   If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>   >   pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>   >
>   >   Tomas
>   >   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>   >       From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
>   >   Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>   >   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   >   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
>   wondering
>   >   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
>   the
>   >   retinas of the oncoming driver.
>   >   Jeff touched on this point.
>   >   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>   >   Dave
>   >   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>   >> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>   >> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>   >   pattern function and temperature.
>   >> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>   >   light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>   >   bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
>   ever
>   >   dreamed of producing.
>   >> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>   >   time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
>   w, a
>   >   H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
>   will
>   >   shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>   >> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>   >   as team with the LED.
>   >>
>   >> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>   >   glass bulb containing sodium
>   >> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>   >   relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>   >>
>   >> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>   >   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
>   light
>   >   beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>   >> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>   >   place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>   >   that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
>   then
>   >   you are in business.
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>   >>
>   >> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
>   <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>   >   wrote:
>   >>
>   >>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
>   >   a xenon
>   >>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>   >   if the
>   >>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>   >>>
>   >>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>   >   beams, which
>   >>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>   >>> -----Original Message-----
>   >>> From: DeTomaso
>   [[21]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>   >   Behalf
>   >>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>   >>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>   >>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>   >>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   >>>
>   >>> Hi Jeff,
>   >>>
>   >>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>   >   that the
>   >>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>   >   the
>   >>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
>   that
>   >   all
>   >>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
>   for
>   >   years.
>   >>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>   >>>
>   >>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>   >>> manufactures.
>   >>>
>   >>>
>   >>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>   >>>
>   >>>
>   >>>
>   >>>
>   >>> -----Original Message-----
>   >>> From: DeTomaso
>   [[22]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>   >   Behalf
>   >>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>   >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>   >>> To: DeTomaso List
>   >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   >>>
>   >>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>   >   to
>   >>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>   >   They
>   >>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>   >   same.
>   >>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>   >   little as I
>   >>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>   >>>
>   >>>
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>   Message: 8
>   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
>   From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>   To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>   Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
>   Message-ID: <2BC46E79-666A-41AA-83BB-30981077FA40 at aol.com>
>   Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii
>   Chuck,
>   The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro
>   GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
>   bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
>   RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
>   I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
>   it....
>   Mike
>   Sent from my iPhone
>   On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
>   <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>   > It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
>   > Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
>   got a
>   > quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
>   license
>   > plate - did it used to be white?
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > [25]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Plate GTS 5W ?
>   >
>   > White?  Yes.  Back when new in GB...
>   > It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
>   Waltz".
>   >
>   > But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
>   car.
>   > If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
>   to the entry.
>   > Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
>   work.
>   >
>   > Chuck
>   >
>   >
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>   Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
>   From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>   To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
>   Message-ID: <7684BDF4-2A60-497B-8454-2E9524D83F6C at aol.com>
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>   Guys,
>   thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
>   Mike
>   > Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>   >
>   > From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>   >
>   >
>   > Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>   >
>   > The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
>   [27]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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>      Guys,
>      thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
>      Mike
>      Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>      From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
>      Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>      The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
>      [1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
>   References
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   I'd sleeve it.  Cheap enough to do these days versus finding another
   block and getting it all machined.
   Asa
   Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks

   tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com> wrote:
   Question for the fellow owners?
   the project I purchased  came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
   dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
   after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
   the cooling system !   so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
   bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
   or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
   Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
   Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon
   NJ 07508
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      1. Re: NPC - and just a bit of car stuff (MSM Contractors)
      2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
      3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
         (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
      4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
      5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
      6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
      7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
      8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
      9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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   Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
   From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
   To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
   Message-ID: <E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org>
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   Perfect!
   > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   >
   https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734911
   >
   6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
   >   D30
   >
   >   Nice sentiment.A
   >
   >   Jeff
   >
   >   6559
   >
   >   A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
   many
   >   people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
   >
   >   I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
   >   Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
   the
   >   people who made the components that went into it,
   >
   >   it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
   >   wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
   trucks
   >   that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
   from
   >   the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
   dealership
   >   and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
   >   know how many people it fed.
   >
   >   That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
   When
   >   you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
   >   dignity for their skills.A  When you give someone something for
   >   nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
   >
   >   Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
   >   value.A  Socialism is taking your money against your will and
   shoving
   >   something down your throat that you never asked for.
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   Message: 2
   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
   From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
   Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
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   May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
   video
   of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
   It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
   Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
   got a
   quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
   license
   plate - did it used to be white?
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
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      May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
      video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
      Combe.
      It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
      Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
   Only
      got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
      Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
   ------------------------------
   Message: 3
   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
   From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
   To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
           List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
   Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
   Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
   It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
   Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
   got a
   quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
   license
   plate - did it used to be white?
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
   Plate GTS 5W ?
   White?  Yes.  Back when new in GB...
   It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
   But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
   car.
   If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
   the entry.
   Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
   Chuck
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   Message: 4
   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
   From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
   retinas of the oncoming driver.
   Jeff touched on this point.
   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
   Dave
   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
   > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
   > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
   pattern function and temperature.
   > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
   light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
   bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
   dreamed of producing.
   > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
   time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
   H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
   shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
   > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
   as team with the LED.
   >
   > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
   glass bulb containing sodium
   > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
   relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
   >
   > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
   beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
   > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
   place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
   that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
   you are in business.
   >
   >
   > Jeff Cobb- I pad
   >
   > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
   a xenon
   >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
   if the
   >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
   >>
   >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
   beams, which
   >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
   >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
   >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
   >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>
   >> Hi Jeff,
   >>
   >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
   that the
   >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
   the
   >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp).  He also said
   that all
   >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
   years.
   >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
   >>
   >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
   >> manufactures.
   >>
   >>
   >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
   >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
   >> To: DeTomaso List
   >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>
   >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
   to
   >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie  units.
   They
   >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
   same.
   >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
   little as I
   >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
   >>
   >>
   ------------------------------
   Message: 5
   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
   From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
   To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
           <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
   Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
   Dave,
   I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
   high
   beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
   high
   beams, you need more power!
   Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   Of Dave Londry
   Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
   retinas of the oncoming driver.
   Jeff touched on this point.
   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
   Dave
   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
   > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
   > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
   pattern
   function and temperature.
   > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
   light
   housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
   have
   much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
   producing.
   > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
   time,
   most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
   210 w
   single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
   blast a
   massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
   > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
   as
   team with the LED.
   >
   > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
   glass
   bulb containing sodium
   > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
   relative
   to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
   >
   > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
   beam
   pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
   > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
   place
   of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
   locates
   the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
   business.
   >
   >
   > Jeff Cobb- I pad
   >
   > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
   a
   xenon
   >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
   if
   the
   >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
   >>
   >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
   beams,
   which
   >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
   >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
   >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
   >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>
   >> Hi Jeff,
   >>
   >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
   that
   the
   >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
   the
   >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp).  He also said
   that all
   >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
   years.
   >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
   >>
   >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
   >> manufactures.
   >>
   >>
   >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
   >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
   >> To: DeTomaso List
   >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>
   >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
   to
   >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie  units.
   They
   >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
   same.
   >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
   little as
   I
   >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
   >>
   >>
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   Message: 6
   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
   From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
   To: <davel at emspace.com>
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   Message-ID: <4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
   If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
   pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
   Tomas
   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
              From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
   Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
   retinas of the oncoming driver.
   Jeff touched on this point.
   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
   Dave
   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
   > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
   > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
   pattern function and temperature.
   > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
   light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
   bulbs
   and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
   dreamed of producing.
   > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
   time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
   H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
   shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
   > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
   as team with the LED.
   >
   > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
   glass bulb containing sodium
   > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
   relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
   >
   > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
   beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
   > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
   place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
   that
   locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
   in business.
   >
   >
   > Jeff Cobb- I pad
   >
   > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
   a
   xenon
   >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
   if the
   >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
   >>
   >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
   beams,
   which
   >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
   >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
   >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
   >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>
   >> Hi Jeff,
   >>
   >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
   that the
   >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
   the
   >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
   all
   >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
   years.
   >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
   >>
   >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
   >> manufactures.
   >>
   >>
   >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
   >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
   >> To: DeTomaso List
   >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>
   >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
   to
   >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
   They
   >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
   same.
   >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
   little as I
   >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
   >>
   >>
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      If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
      pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
      Tomas
      <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
          From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
      Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
      To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
   wondering
      if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
   the
      retinas of the oncoming driver.
      Jeff touched on this point.
      I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
      Dave
      On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
      > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
      > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
      pattern function and temperature.
      > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
      light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
      bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
   ever
      dreamed of producing.
      > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
      time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
   a
      H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
   will
      shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
      > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
   as
      as team with the LED.
      >
      > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
   a
      glass bulb containing sodium
      > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
      relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
      >
      > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
   flat
      surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
   light
      beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
      > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
   the
      place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
      that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
      you are in business.
      >
      >
      > Jeff Cobb- I pad
      >
      > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
   <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
      wrote:
      >
      >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
   putting
      a xenon
      >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
   as
      if the
      >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
      >>
      >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
      beams, which
      >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On
      Behalf
      >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
      >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
      >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
      >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      >>
      >> Hi Jeff,
      >>
      >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
   me
      that the
      >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
   produce
      the
      >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
   that
      all
      >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
   for
      years.
      >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
      >>
      >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
   different
      >> manufactures.
      >>
      >>
      >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On
      Behalf
      >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
      >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
      >> To: DeTomaso List
      >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      >>
      >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
   company
      to
      >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
   units.
      They
      >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
      same.
      >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
      little as I
      >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
      >>
      >>
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   Message: 7
   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
   From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
   To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   Message-ID: <7B98FED4-77F1-43C6-9318-615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org>
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   That was high beam?..
   > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
   >
   >   If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
   >   pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
   >
   >   Tomas
   >   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
   >       From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
   >   Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
   >   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
   wondering
   >   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
   the
   >   retinas of the oncoming driver.
   >   Jeff touched on this point.
   >   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
   >   Dave
   >   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
   >> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
   >> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
   >   pattern function and temperature.
   >> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
   >   light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
   >   bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
   ever
   >   dreamed of producing.
   >> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
   >   time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
   w, a
   >   H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
   will
   >   shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
   >> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
   >   as team with the LED.
   >>
   >> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
   >   glass bulb containing sodium
   >> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
   >   relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
   >>
   >> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
   >   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
   light
   >   beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
   >> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
   >   place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
   >   that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
   then
   >   you are in business.
   >>
   >>
   >> Jeff Cobb- I pad
   >>
   >> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
   <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   >   wrote:
   >>
   >>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
   >   a xenon
   >>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
   >   if the
   >>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
   >>>
   >>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
   >   beams, which
   >>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
   >>> -----Original Message-----
   >>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   >   Behalf
   >>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
   >>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
   >>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
   >>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>>
   >>> Hi Jeff,
   >>>
   >>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
   >   that the
   >>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
   >   the
   >>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
   that
   >   all
   >>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
   for
   >   years.
   >>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
   >>>
   >>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
   >>> manufactures.
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> -----Original Message-----
   >>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   >   Behalf
   >>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
   >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
   >>> To: DeTomaso List
   >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>>
   >>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
   >   to
   >>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
   >   They
   >>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
   >   same.
   >>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
   >   little as I
   >>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
   >>>
   >>>
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   Message: 8
   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
   From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
   Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
   Message-ID: <2BC46E79-666A-41AA-83BB-30981077FA40 at aol.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii
   Chuck,
   The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro
   GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
   bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
   RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
   I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
   it....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
   <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
   > It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
   > Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
   got a
   > quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
   license
   > plate - did it used to be white?
   >
   >
   >
   > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
   >
   >
   >
   > Plate GTS 5W ?
   >
   > White?  Yes.  Back when new in GB...
   > It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
   Waltz".
   >
   > But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
   car.
   > If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
   to the entry.
   > Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
   work.
   >
   > Chuck
   >
   >
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   Message: 9
   Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
   From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
   Message-ID: <7684BDF4-2A60-497B-8454-2E9524D83F6C at aol.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   Guys,
   thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
   Mike
   > Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
   >
   > From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
   >
   >
   > Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
   >
   > The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
   https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
   -------------- next part --------------
      Guys,
      thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
      Mike
      Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
      From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
      Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
      The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
      [1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
   References
      1. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
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      Question for the fellow owners?
      the project I purchased  came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
      dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
      after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
      the cooling system !   so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
      bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
      or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
      Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
      Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave,
   Haledon
      NJ 07508
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         2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
         3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
            (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
         4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
         5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
         6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
         7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
         8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
         9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)

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      Message: 1
      Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
      From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
      To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
      Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
      Message-ID:
   <E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org>
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      Perfect!
      > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   wrote:
      >
      >

   [4]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734
      911
      >

   6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
      >   D30
      >
      >   Nice sentiment.A
      >
      >   Jeff
      >
      >   6559
      >
      >   A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
      many
      >   people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
      >
      >   I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling
   Green,
      >   Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it
   fed
      the
      >   people who made the components that went into it,
      >
      >   it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for
   the
      >   wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
      trucks
      >   that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled
   it
      from
      >   the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
      dealership
      >   and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really
   don't
      >   know how many people it fed.
      >
      >   That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
      When
      >   you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give
   them
      >   dignity for their skills.A  When you give someone something for
      >   nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
      >
      >   Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something
   of
      >   value.A  Socialism is taking your money against your will and
      shoving
      >   something down your throat that you never asked for.
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      Message: 2
      Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
      From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
      To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
      Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
      Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
      May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
      video
      of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
      It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
      Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
   Only
      got a
      quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
      license
      plate - did it used to be white?
      [6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
      -------------- next part --------------
         May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found
   this
         video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
         Combe.
         It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
         Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
      Only
         got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
         Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
         [7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
      ------------------------------
      Message: 3
      Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
      From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
      To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
              List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
      Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
      Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
      It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
      Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
   Only
      got a
      quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
      license
      plate - did it used to be white?
      [8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
      Plate GTS 5W ?
      White?  Yes.  Back when new in GB...
      It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
   Waltz".
      But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
      car.
      If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
   to
      the entry.
      Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
   work.
      Chuck
      ------------------------------
      Message: 4
      Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
      From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
      To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
      I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
   wondering
      if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
   the
      retinas of the oncoming driver.
      Jeff touched on this point.
      I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
      Dave
      On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
      > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
      > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
      pattern function and temperature.
      > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
      light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
      bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
   ever
      dreamed of producing.
      > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
      time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
   a
      H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
   will
      shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
      > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
   as
      as team with the LED.
      >
      > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
   a
      glass bulb containing sodium
      > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
      relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
      >
      > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
   flat
      surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
   light
      beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
      > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
   the
      place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
      that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
      you are in business.
      >
      >
      > Jeff Cobb- I pad
      >
      > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
   <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
      wrote:
      >
      >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
   putting
      a xenon
      >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
   as
      if the
      >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
      >>
      >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
      beams, which
      >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: DeTomaso
   [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
      On Behalf
      >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
      >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
      >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
      >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      >>
      >> Hi Jeff,
      >>
      >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
   me
      that the
      >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
   produce
      the
      >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp).  He also said
      that all
      >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
   for
      years.
      >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
      >>
      >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
   different
      >> manufactures.
      >>
      >>
      >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: DeTomaso
   [[10]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
      On Behalf
      >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
      >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
      >> To: DeTomaso List
      >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      >>
      >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
   company
      to
      >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
   units.
      They
      >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
      same.
      >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
      little as I
      >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
      >>
      >>
      ------------------------------
      Message: 5
      Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
      From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
      To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
              <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
      Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
      Dave,
      I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
      high
      beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into
   you
      high
      beams, you need more power!
      Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
      -----Original Message-----
      From: DeTomaso [[11]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On
      Behalf
      Of Dave Londry
      Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
      To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
   wondering
      if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
   the
      retinas of the oncoming driver.
      Jeff touched on this point.
      I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
      Dave
      On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
      > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
      > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
      pattern
      function and temperature.
      > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
      light
      housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs
   and
      have
      much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
      producing.
      > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
      time,
      most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
      210 w
      single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
      blast a
      massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
      > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
   as
      as
      team with the LED.
      >
      > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
   a
      glass
      bulb containing sodium
      > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
      relative
      to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
      >
      > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
   flat
      surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
   light
      beam
      pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
      > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
   the
      place
      of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
      locates
      the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
      business.
      >
      >
      > Jeff Cobb- I pad
      >
      > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
   <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
      wrote:
      >
      >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
   putting
      a
      xenon
      >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
   as
      if
      the
      >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
      >>
      >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
      beams,
      which
      >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: DeTomaso
   [[12]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
      On
      Behalf
      >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
      >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
      >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
      >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      >>
      >> Hi Jeff,
      >>
      >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
   me
      that
      the
      >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
   produce
      the
      >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp).  He also said
      that all
      >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
   for
      years.
      >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
      >>
      >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
   different
      >> manufactures.
      >>
      >>
      >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: DeTomaso
   [[13]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
      On
      Behalf
      >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
      >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
      >> To: DeTomaso List
      >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      >>
      >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
   company
      to
      >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
   units.
      They
      >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
      same.
      >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
      little as
      I
      >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
      >>
      >>
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      Message: 6
      Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
      From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
      To: <davel at emspace.com>
      Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      Message-ID: <4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
      If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
      pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
      Tomas
      <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
                 From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
      Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
      To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
   wondering
      if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
   the
      retinas of the oncoming driver.
      Jeff touched on this point.
      I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
      Dave
      On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
      > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
      > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
      pattern function and temperature.
      > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
      light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
      bulbs
      and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
      dreamed of producing.
      > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
      time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
   a
      H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
   will
      shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
      > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
   as
      as team with the LED.
      >
      > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
   a
      glass bulb containing sodium
      > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
      relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
      >
      > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
   flat
      surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
   light
      beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
      > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
   the
      place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
      that
      locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you
   are
      in business.
      >
      >
      > Jeff Cobb- I pad
      >
      > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
   <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
      wrote:
      >
      >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
   putting
      a
      xenon
      >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
   as
      if the
      >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
      >>
      >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
      beams,
      which
      >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: DeTomaso
   [[15]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
      On
      Behalf
      >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
      >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
      >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
      >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      >>
      >> Hi Jeff,
      >>
      >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
   me
      that the
      >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
   produce
      the
      >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
   that
      all
      >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
   for
      years.
      >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
      >>
      >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
   different
      >> manufactures.
      >>
      >>
      >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: DeTomaso
   [[16]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
      On
      Behalf
      >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
      >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
      >> To: DeTomaso List
      >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      >>
      >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
   company
      to
      >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
   units.
      They
      >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
      same.
      >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
      little as I
      >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
      >>
      >>
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         If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
         pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
         Tomas
         <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
             From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
         Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
         To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
         Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
         I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
      wondering
         if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by
   cauterizing
      the
         retinas of the oncoming driver.
         Jeff touched on this point.
         I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
         Dave
         On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
         > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp
   design.
         > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output
   lumens,
         pattern function and temperature.
         > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro
   designed
         light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1,
   H-4
         bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could
   have
      ever
         dreamed of producing.
         > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all
   the
         time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
   w,
      a
         H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
      will
         shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
         > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are
   designed
      as
         as team with the LED.
         >
         > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament
   or
      a
         glass bulb containing sodium
         > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
         relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
         >
         > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
      flat
         surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
      light
         beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
         > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to
   take
      the
         place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a
   company
         that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
   then
         you are in business.
         >
         >
         > Jeff Cobb- I pad
         >
         > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
      <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
         wrote:
         >
         >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
      putting
         a xenon
         >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as
   effective
      as
         if the
         >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
         >>
         >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
         beams, which
         >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
         >> -----Original Message-----
         >> From: DeTomaso
      [[18]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
         Behalf
         >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
         >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
         >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
         >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
         >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
         >>
         >> Hi Jeff,
         >>
         >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He
   told
      me
         that the
         >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
      produce
         the
         >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also
   said
      that
         all
         >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have
   had
      for
         years.
         >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
         >>
         >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
      different
         >> manufactures.
         >>
         >>
         >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
         >>
         >>
         >>
         >>
         >> -----Original Message-----
         >> From: DeTomaso
      [[19]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
         Behalf
         >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
         >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
         >> To: DeTomaso List
         >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
         >>
         >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
      company
         to
         >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
      units.
         They
         >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using
   the
         same.
         >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For
   as
         little as I
         >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
         >>
         >>
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      Message: 7
      Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
      From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
      To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
      Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      Message-ID:
   <7B98FED4-77F1-43C6-9318-615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
      That was high beam?..
      > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
   wrote:
      >
      >   If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam
   light
      >   pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
      >
      >   Tomas
      >   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
      >       From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
      >   Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
      >   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      >   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
      wondering
      >   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by
   cauterizing
      the
      >   retinas of the oncoming driver.
      >   Jeff touched on this point.
      >   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
      >   Dave
      >   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
      >> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
      >> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output
   lumens,
      >   pattern function and temperature.
      >> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro
   designed
      >   light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1,
   H-4
      >   bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could
   have
      ever
      >   dreamed of producing.
      >> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all
   the
      >   time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4
   130/160
      w, a
      >   H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w
   just
      will
      >   shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
      >> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
   as
      >   as team with the LED.
      >>
      >> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament
   or a
      >   glass bulb containing sodium
      >> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
      >   relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
      >>
      >> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
   flat
      >   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
      light
      >   beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
      >> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
   the
      >   place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a
   company
      >   that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
      then
      >   you are in business.
      >>
      >>
      >> Jeff Cobb- I pad
      >>
      >> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
      <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
      >   wrote:
      >>
      >>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
   putting
      >   a xenon
      >>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
   as
      >   if the
      >>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
      >>>
      >>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
      >   beams, which
      >>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
      >>> -----Original Message-----
      >>> From: DeTomaso
      [[21]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
      >   Behalf
      >>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
      >>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
      >>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
      >>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      >>>
      >>> Hi Jeff,
      >>>
      >>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
   me
      >   that the
      >>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
   produce
      >   the
      >>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
      that
      >   all
      >>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
      for
      >   years.
      >>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
      >>>
      >>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
   different
      >>> manufactures.
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> -----Original Message-----
      >>> From: DeTomaso
      [[22]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
      >   Behalf
      >>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
      >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
      >>> To: DeTomaso List
      >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      >>>
      >>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
   company
      >   to
      >>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
   units.
      >   They
      >>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
      >   same.
      >>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
      >   little as I
      >>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
      >>>
      >>>
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      Message: 8
      Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
      From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
      To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
      Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
      Message-ID: <2BC46E79-666A-41AA-83BB-30981077FA40 at aol.com>
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      Chuck,
      The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from
   euro
      GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
      bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted
   to
      RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
      I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he
   owned
      it....
      Mike
      Sent from my iPhone
      On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
      <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
      > It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
      > Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
   Only
      got a
      > quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
   Peters'
      license
      > plate - did it used to be white?
      >
      >
      >
      > [25]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
      >
      >
      >
      > Plate GTS 5W ?
      >
      > White?  Yes.  Back when new in GB...
      > It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
      Waltz".
      >
      > But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for
   this
      car.
      > If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add
   it
      to the entry.
      > Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
      work.
      >
      > Chuck
      >
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      Message: 9
      Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
      From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
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      Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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      Guys,
      thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
      Mike
      > Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
      >
      > From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
      >
      >
      > Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
      >
      > The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
      [27]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
      -------------- next part --------------
         Guys,
         thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
         Mike
         Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
         From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
         Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
         The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
         [1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
      References
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