[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Thu Jan 5 14:25:22 EST 2017


A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my concern would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time before you are into a full rebuild.  It's good that you caught the #5 cylinder crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being driven. That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new internals that may be reusable right now.


As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding good core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down some serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.


Julian

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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:03:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5

Question for the fellow owners?

the project I purchased  came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP

after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into the cooling system !   so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were bored to 4.035 on rebuild.

or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?



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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: NPC - and just a bit of car stuff (MSM Contractors)
   2. UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Charles McCall)
   3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
      (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
   4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
   5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
   6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
   7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
   8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
   9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
Message-ID: <E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org>
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Perfect!

> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734911
>   6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
>   D30
>
>   Nice sentiment.A
>
>   Jeff
>
>   6559
>
>   A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how many
>   people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
>
>   I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
>   Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed the
>   people who made the components that went into it,
>
>   it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
>   wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the trucks
>   that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it from
>   the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the dealership
>   and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
>   know how many people it fed.
>
>   That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality. When
>   you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
>   dignity for their skills.A  When you give someone something for
>   nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
>
>   Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
>   value.A  Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving
>   something down your throat that you never asked for.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
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May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this video
of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.





It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters' license
plate - did it used to be white?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be



-------------- next part --------------
   May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
   video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
   Combe.

   It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
   Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
   got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
   Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?


   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
        List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only got a
quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters' license
plate - did it used to be white?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be



Plate GTS 5W ?

White?  Yes.  Back when new in GB...
It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".

But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this car.
If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to the entry.
Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.

Chuck




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.

Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.

Dave


On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens, pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting a xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high beams, which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp).  He also said that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie  units. They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>


------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

Dave,

I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the high
beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you high
beams, you need more power!

Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland







-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights

I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.

Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.

Dave


On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens, pattern
function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed light
housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and have
much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the time,
most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4 210 w
single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun blast a
massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as as
team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a glass
bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly relative
to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light beam
pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the place
of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that locates
the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as if
the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me that
the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp).  He also said that all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie  units. They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as little as
I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
To: <davel at emspace.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D

Tomas



<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->

           From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights

I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
retinas of the oncoming driver.

Jeff touched on this point.
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.

Dave


On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature.
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing.
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED.
>
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
in business.
>
>
> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting a
xenon
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high beams,
which
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years.
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>> manufactures.
>>
>>
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: DeTomaso List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same.
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>
>>
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-------------- next part --------------
   If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
   pattern your worries are very valid! :-D

   Tomas
   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
       From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
   Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
   retinas of the oncoming driver.
   Jeff touched on this point.
   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
   Dave
   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
   > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
   > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
   pattern function and temperature.
   > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
   light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
   bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
   dreamed of producing.
   > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
   time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
   H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
   shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
   > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
   as team with the LED.
   >
   > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
   glass bulb containing sodium
   > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
   relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
   >
   > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
   beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
   > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
   place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
   that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
   you are in business.
   >
   >
   > Jeff Cobb- I pad
   >
   > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
   a xenon
   >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
   if the
   >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
   >>
   >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
   beams, which
   >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
   >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
   >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
   >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>
   >> Hi Jeff,
   >>
   >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
   that the
   >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
   the
   >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
   all
   >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
   years.
   >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
   >>
   >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
   >> manufactures.
   >>
   >>
   >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
   >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
   >> To: DeTomaso List
   >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>
   >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
   to
   >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
   They
   >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
   same.
   >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
   little as I
   >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
   >>
   >>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
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That was high beam?..

> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
>
>   If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
>   pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
>
>   Tomas
>   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>       From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
>   Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
>   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
>   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
>   retinas of the oncoming driver.
>   Jeff touched on this point.
>   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
>   Dave
>   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
>> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
>   pattern function and temperature.
>> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
>   light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
>   bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
>   dreamed of producing.
>> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
>   time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
>   H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
>   shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
>> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
>   as team with the LED.
>>
>> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
>   glass bulb containing sodium
>> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
>   relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
>>
>> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
>   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
>   beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
>> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
>   place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
>   that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
>   you are in business.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Cobb- I pad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>   wrote:
>>
>>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
>   a xenon
>>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
>   if the
>>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
>>>
>>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
>   beams, which
>>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>   Behalf
>>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
>>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
>>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
>   that the
>>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
>   the
>>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
>   all
>>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
>   years.
>>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
>>>
>>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
>>> manufactures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>   Behalf
>>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
>>>
>>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
>   to
>>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
>   They
>>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
>   same.
>>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
>   little as I
>>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
>>>
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
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Chuck,

The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so, bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.

I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned it....

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
> Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only got a
> quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters' license
> plate - did it used to be white?
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
>
>
>
> Plate GTS 5W ?
>
> White?  Yes.  Back when new in GB...
> It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
>
> But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this car.
> If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to the entry.
> Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Guys,

thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....

Mike

> Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
>
>
> Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
>
> The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
-------------- next part --------------
   Guys,

   thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....

   Mike

   Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb

   From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...


   Subject: Mangusta in Jhb


   The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
   [1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM

References

   1. https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM

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   A sleeve is most certainly a solution to fix that cylinder, my concern
   would be that the overbore has resulted in more than just the one
   cylinder having a thin wall, so it may be just a matter of time before
   you are into a full rebuild.  It's good that you caught the #5 cylinder
   crack early, you may not be as lucky next time once it is being driven.
   That could result in a catastrophic failure and require all new
   internals that may be reusable right now.

   As you need to remove the engine and tear it down for the sleeve, I'd
   have it sonic checked at a minimum. From what I have heard finding good
   core blocks is a challenge these days, unless you want to lay down some
   serious mullah for one of the more bulletproof aftermarket blocks.

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   tom ware <ace595 at hotmail.com>
   Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:03:23 AM
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 151, Issue 5

   Question for the fellow owners?
   the project I purchased  came with a fully rebuilt 351c engine . I
   dynoed it and it was fine at 7000rpms producing some 545 HP
   after installation it turns out cyl. #5 has a crack in the cyl. into
   the cooling system !   so would one sleeve that cylinder ? all were
   bored to 4.035 on rebuild.
   or replace the block with cast steel or aluminum block?
   Thomas Ware Owner, ACE SECURITY INC.
   Tel: 973-595-6141 Fax: 973-595-6149 | Address: 268 Belmont Ave, Haledon
   NJ 07508
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      3. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
         (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
      4. Re: Headlights (Dave Londry)
      5. Re: Headlights (Larry - Ohio Time)
      6. Re: Headlights (Tomas Gunnarsson)
      7. Re: Headlights (MSM Contractors)
      8. Re: UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990... (Mike Drew)
      9. Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg (Mike Drew)
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   Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:09:58 -0600
   From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
   To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - and just a bit of car stuff
   Message-ID: <E8979DD7-6ADA-447F-A688-E941CB8732DA at msmcontractors.org>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
   Perfect!
   > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   >
   [4]https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14657374_1020719853734
   911
   >
   6_560855711324015909_n.jpg?oh=02f120c0bc437e2ea681aa1d3c6ea101&oe=589D5
   >   D30
   >
   >   Nice sentiment.A
   >
   >   Jeff
   >
   >   6559
   >
   >   A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said I wonder how
   many
   >   people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.
   >
   >   I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green,
   >   Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed
   the
   >   people who made the components that went into it,
   >
   >   it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the
   >   wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the
   trucks
   >   that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it
   from
   >   the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the
   dealership
   >   and their families. BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't
   >   know how many people it fed.
   >
   >   That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
   When
   >   you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them
   >   dignity for their skills.A  When you give someone something for
   >   nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.
   >
   >   Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of
   >   value.A  Socialism is taking your money against your will and
   shoving
   >   something down your throat that you never asked for.
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   Message: 2
   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:06:08 +0100
   From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
   Message-ID: <01d901d266bd$9b9dd530$d2d97f90$@gmail.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
   video
   of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle Combe.
   It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
   Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
   got a
   quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
   license
   plate - did it used to be white?
   [6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
   -------------- next part --------------
      May be of interest for long-time members from England - I found this
      video of the DeTomaso Driver's Club sponsored track day at Castle
      Combe.
      It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
      Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34.
   Only
      got a quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff
      Peters' license plate - did it used to be white?
      [7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
   ------------------------------
   Message: 3
   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:29:58 -0800
   From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
   To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "'Detomaso Email
           List'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
   Message-ID: <74389CF22ACE48A3A3C1AA5CA2E4BF88 at BOSS3A>
   Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
   It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
   Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
   got a
   quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
   license
   plate - did it used to be white?
   [8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
   Plate GTS 5W ?
   White?  Yes.  Back when new in GB...
   It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo Waltz".
   But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
   car.
   If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it to
   the entry.
   Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might work.
   Chuck
   ------------------------------
   Message: 4
   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:30:52 -0800
   From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   Message-ID: <566632eb-dfd7-d38b-b48e-a4ef19e9add6 at emspace.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
   retinas of the oncoming driver.
   Jeff touched on this point.
   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
   Dave
   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
   > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
   > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
   pattern function and temperature.
   > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
   light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
   bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
   dreamed of producing.
   > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
   time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
   H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
   shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
   > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
   as team with the LED.
   >
   > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
   glass bulb containing sodium
   > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
   relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
   >
   > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
   beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
   > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
   place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
   that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
   you are in business.
   >
   >
   > Jeff Cobb- I pad
   >
   > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
   a xenon
   >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
   if the
   >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
   >>
   >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
   beams, which
   >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On Behalf
   >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
   >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
   >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
   >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>
   >> Hi Jeff,
   >>
   >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
   that the
   >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
   the
   >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp).  He also said
   that all
   >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
   years.
   >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
   >>
   >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
   >> manufactures.
   >>
   >>
   >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [[10]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On Behalf
   >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
   >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
   >> To: DeTomaso List
   >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>
   >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
   to
   >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie  units.
   They
   >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
   same.
   >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
   little as I
   >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
   >>
   >>
   ------------------------------
   Message: 5
   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:01 -0500
   From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com>
   To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>,
           <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   Message-ID: <4C90CB7B09C3400885428A642B015198 at LarryHPPC>
   Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
   Dave,
   I agree with you 100% for driving lights, but when you click on the
   high
   beams all bets off. If you're not cooking the deer that runs into you
   high
   beams, you need more power!
   Larry (I've seen the light) - Cleveland
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [[11]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   Of Dave Londry
   Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:31 PM
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
   retinas of the oncoming driver.
   Jeff touched on this point.
   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
   Dave
   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
   > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
   > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
   pattern
   function and temperature.
   > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
   light
   housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs and
   have
   much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever dreamed of
   producing.
   > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
   time,
   most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a H-4
   210 w
   single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will shotgun
   blast a
   massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
   > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
   as
   team with the LED.
   >
   > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
   glass
   bulb containing sodium
   > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
   relative
   to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
   >
   > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
   beam
   pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
   > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
   place
   of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
   locates
   the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are in
   business.
   >
   >
   > Jeff Cobb- I pad
   >
   > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
   a
   xenon
   >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
   if
   the
   >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
   >>
   >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
   beams,
   which
   >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [[12]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On
   Behalf
   >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
   >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
   >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
   >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>
   >> Hi Jeff,
   >>
   >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
   that
   the
   >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
   the
   >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp).  He also said
   that all
   >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
   years.
   >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
   >>
   >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
   >> manufactures.
   >>
   >>
   >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On
   Behalf
   >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
   >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
   >> To: DeTomaso List
   >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>
   >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
   to
   >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie  units.
   They
   >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
   same.
   >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
   little as
   I
   >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
   >>
   >>
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   Message: 6
   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:57:03 -0800
   From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
   To: <davel at emspace.com>
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   Message-ID: <4D4E3639E66F436697A2F16CA0D318DD at mail2world.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
   If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
   pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
   Tomas
   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
              From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
   Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
   retinas of the oncoming driver.
   Jeff touched on this point.
   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
   Dave
   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
   > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
   > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
   pattern function and temperature.
   > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
   light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
   bulbs
   and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
   dreamed of producing.
   > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
   time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
   H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
   shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
   > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
   as team with the LED.
   >
   > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
   glass bulb containing sodium
   > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
   relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
   >
   > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
   beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
   > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
   place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
   that
   locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
   in business.
   >
   >
   > Jeff Cobb- I pad
   >
   > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
   a
   xenon
   >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
   if the
   >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
   >>
   >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
   beams,
   which
   >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [[15]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On
   Behalf
   >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
   >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
   >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
   >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>
   >> Hi Jeff,
   >>
   >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
   that the
   >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
   the
   >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
   all
   >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
   years.
   >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
   >>
   >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
   >> manufactures.
   >>
   >>
   >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [[16]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On
   Behalf
   >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
   >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
   >> To: DeTomaso List
   >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>
   >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
   to
   >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
   They
   >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
   same.
   >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
   little as I
   >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
   >>
   >>
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      If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
      pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
      Tomas
      <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
          From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
      Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
      To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
   wondering
      if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
   the
      retinas of the oncoming driver.
      Jeff touched on this point.
      I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
      Dave
      On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
      > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
      > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
      pattern function and temperature.
      > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
      light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
      bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
   ever
      dreamed of producing.
      > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
      time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w,
   a
      H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
   will
      shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
      > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed
   as
      as team with the LED.
      >
      > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or
   a
      glass bulb containing sodium
      > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
      relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
      >
      > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a
   flat
      surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
   light
      beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
      > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take
   the
      place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
      that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
      you are in business.
      >
      >
      > Jeff Cobb- I pad
      >
      > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
   <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
      wrote:
      >
      >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago -
   putting
      a xenon
      >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective
   as
      if the
      >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
      >>
      >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
      beams, which
      >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: DeTomaso
   [[18]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
      Behalf
      >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
      >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
      >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
      >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      >>
      >> Hi Jeff,
      >>
      >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told
   me
      that the
      >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they
   produce
      the
      >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
   that
      all
      >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
   for
      years.
      >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
      >>
      >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by
   different
      >> manufactures.
      >>
      >>
      >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: DeTomaso
   [[19]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
      Behalf
      >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
      >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
      >> To: DeTomaso List
      >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
      >>
      >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this
   company
      to
      >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie
   units.
      They
      >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
      same.
      >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
      little as I
      >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
      >>
      >>
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   Message: 7
   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:15:24 -0600
   From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
   To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   Message-ID: <7B98FED4-77F1-43C6-9318-615A4BBE8B6B at msmcontractors.org>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
   That was high beam?..
   > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
   >
   >   If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
   >   pattern your worries are very valid! :-D
   >
   >   Tomas
   >   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
   >       From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
   >   Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
   >   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly
   wondering
   >   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing
   the
   >   retinas of the oncoming driver.
   >   Jeff touched on this point.
   >   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
   >   Dave
   >   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
   >> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
   >> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
   >   pattern function and temperature.
   >> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
   >   light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
   >   bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have
   ever
   >   dreamed of producing.
   >> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
   >   time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160
   w, a
   >   H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just
   will
   >   shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
   >> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
   >   as team with the LED.
   >>
   >> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
   >   glass bulb containing sodium
   >> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
   >   relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
   >>
   >> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
   >   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved
   light
   >   beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
   >> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
   >   place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
   >   that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens
   then
   >   you are in business.
   >>
   >>
   >> Jeff Cobb- I pad
   >>
   >> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall
   <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   >   wrote:
   >>
   >>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
   >   a xenon
   >>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
   >   if the
   >>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
   >>>
   >>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
   >   beams, which
   >>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
   >>> -----Original Message-----
   >>> From: DeTomaso
   [[21]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   >   Behalf
   >>> Of Larry - Ohio Time
   >>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
   >>> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
   >>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>>
   >>> Hi Jeff,
   >>>
   >>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
   >   that the
   >>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
   >   the
   >>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said
   that
   >   all
   >>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had
   for
   >   years.
   >>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
   >>>
   >>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
   >>> manufactures.
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> -----Original Message-----
   >>> From: DeTomaso
   [[22]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   >   Behalf
   >>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
   >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
   >>> To: DeTomaso List
   >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>>
   >>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
   >   to
   >>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
   >   They
   >>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
   >   same.
   >>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
   >   little as I
   >>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
   >>>
   >>>
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   Message: 8
   Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:41 -0800
   From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
   Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] UK DeTomaso Club event from 1990...
   Message-ID: <2BC46E79-666A-41AA-83BB-30981077FA40 at aol.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii
   Chuck,
   The car was owned my Mike Miller at the time. He converted it from euro
   GTS to GT5 spec. He sold it to Geoff Peters after 10 years or so,
   bought a project Pantera from the USA which is now being converted to
   RHD and Gr4 spec. Photos of that car are in the registry.
   I will get mike to send you some images of the white car when he owned
   it....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:29, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
   <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
   > It's a digitalized video made from a VHS videotape. It's a little
   > Lambo-centric, but there's a Ric Lee interview around minute 34. Only
   got a
   > quick view of the white Pantera GT5 but it looks like Geoff Peters'
   license
   > plate - did it used to be white?
   >
   >
   >
   > [25]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptg9iItmLCQ&feature=youtu.be
   >
   >
   >
   > Plate GTS 5W ?
   >
   > White?  Yes.  Back when new in GB...
   > It was first used by Lewis Collins in the 1970's show, "Cuckoo
   Waltz".
   >
   > But there is a big gap (1980-1990s) in the registry history for this
   car.
   > If you can send me a still frame photo (jpg preferred) I can add it
   to the entry.
   > Even take just a camera pic or screen snap of your display might
   work.
   >
   > Chuck
   >
   >
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   Message: 9
   Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:51:33 -0800
   From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Mangusta in Johannesburg
   Message-ID: <7684BDF4-2A60-497B-8454-2E9524D83F6C at aol.com>
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   Guys,
   thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
   Mike
   > Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
   >
   > From a Pantera friend in Jo?berg?
   >
   >
   > Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
   >
   > The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
   [27]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
   -------------- next part --------------
      Guys,
      thenone and only South Efrican Mangusta....
      Mike
      Subject: FW: Mangusta in Jhb
      From a Pantera friend in Jo'berg...
      Subject: Mangusta in Jhb
      The only one in Africa, cruising the streets of Johannesburg.
      [1]https://youtu.be/yGeCHn4DpPM
   References
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