[DeTomaso] Headlights

Wed Jan 4 14:57:03 EST 2017

If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
pattern your worries are very valid! :-D

Tomas

<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->

 	 	From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights 

I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering 
if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the 
retinas of the oncoming driver. 

Jeff touched on this point. 
I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though. 

Dave 

On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote: 
> True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design. 
> The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
pattern function and temperature. 
> Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4 bulbs
and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
dreamed of producing. 
> Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam. 
> LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
as team with the LED. 
> 
> All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
glass bulb containing sodium 
> which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector. 
> 
> LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output. 
> That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company that
locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then you are
in business. 
> 
> 
> Jeff Cobb- I pad 
> 
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote: 
> 
>> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting a
xenon 
>> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
if the 
>> reflector had been designed for the Xenon. 
>> 
>> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high beams,
which 
>> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!) 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf 
>> Of Larry - Ohio Time 
>> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26 
>> To: 'Jeff Udelson' 
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights 
>> 
>> Hi Jeff, 
>> 
>> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
that the 
>> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
the 
>> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
all 
>> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
years. 
>> There is no standard for LED lamps yet. 
>> 
>> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different 
>> manufactures. 
>> 
>> 
>> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf 
>> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM 
>> To: DeTomaso List 
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights 
>> 
>> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
to 
>> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
They 
>> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
same. 
>> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
little as I 
>> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost. 
>> 
>> 
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   If the picture that was posted initially shows the low beam light
   pattern your worries are very valid! :-D

   Tomas
   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
       From: Dave Londry [davel at emspace.com]
   Sent: 4/1/2017 8:28:52 PM
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   I've been watching this Headlight thread "flash" by, quietly wondering
   if anyone worries about dying in the head-on caused by cauterizing the
   retinas of the oncoming driver.
   Jeff touched on this point.
   I admit to having drop-in halogen replacements though.
   Dave
   On 1/04/17 2:51 AM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
   > True what you all say about reflector, filament and lamp design.
   > The interface of all three are crucial to the lamps output lumens,
   pattern function and temperature.
   > Today a person can retrofit a Xenon bulb into a 1971 Euro designed
   light housing, which would have been designed for Type A, H-1, H-4
   bulbs and have much better lamp than what the 1971 unit could have ever
   dreamed of producing.
   > Substitution of diff bulbs and reflectors can work but not all the
   time, most of the time a high powered bulb, example a H-4 130/160 w, a
   H-4 210 w single filament high beam bulb or H-1 130 or 160 w just will
   shotgun blast a massive blinding uncontrolled beam.
   > LEDs are fantastic as long as the reflector and lens are designed as
   as team with the LED.
   >
   > All other bulbs/ filaments are designed with a glowing filament or a
   glass bulb containing sodium
   > which glows as a xenon, to have this glowing mass set correctly
   relative to filaments axis and the focal point of the reflector.
   >
   > LEDs are a fantastic light source that projects light off of a flat
   surface onward toward the object, to a reflector for an improved light
   beam pattern or through a lens that magnifies the LEDs output.
   > That is why you see so many different designed led bulbs to take the
   place of a halogen, most of the time if you can just find a company
   that locates the led bulb axis correctly and have enough lumens then
   you are in business.
   >
   >
   > Jeff Cobb- I pad
   >
   > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >> I heard the same thing about Xenon lights a few years ago - putting
   a xenon
   >> bulb in a reflector made for halogen was not nearly as effective as
   if the
   >> reflector had been designed for the Xenon.
   >>
   >> (I did it anyway - then found that the kit didn't include high
   beams, which
   >> is a no-go for our annual safety inspection!)
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   >> Of Larry - Ohio Time
   >> Sent: martes, 3 de enero de 2017 18:26
   >> To: 'Jeff Udelson'
   >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>
   >> Hi Jeff,
   >>
   >> I was talking to a guy that designs lights not long ago. He told me
   that the
   >> reflectors are designed for a particular lamp, because they produce
   the
   >> light differently (how it shined out of the lamp). He also said that
   all
   >> LED lamps are very different then the standard lamps we have had for
   years.
   >> There is no standard for LED lamps yet.
   >>
   >> I think there is the same problem with HID lamps made by different
   >> manufactures.
   >>
   >>
   >> Larry (not bright) - Cleveland
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   >> Of Jeff Udelson via DeTomaso
   >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:23 AM
   >> To: DeTomaso List
   >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights
   >>
   >> I already have a nice set of Cibie lights. I contacted this company
   to
   >> check on the compatibility of their LED bulbs with the Cibie units.
   They
   >> e-mailed back that they were compatible and had others using the
   same.
   >> They want $159 for just the LEDs or $209 complete units. For as
   little as I
   >> drive needing the headlights just can't justify the cost.
   >>
   >>
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