[DeTomaso] Interesting ammeter situation.

Charles McCall charlesmccall at gmail.com
Thu Feb 16 10:34:16 EST 2017


It's like Polio or Smallpox - people thought that it had been erradicated
but is was really just dormant... when people relax and forget about the
danger.... boom! It was never really gone completely...

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Paul Rimov <rimovp at gmail.com> wrote:

> So is this to warn others the dreaded Drew Flu is still pandemic?
>
>
> > On Feb 14, 2017, at 7:19 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> >   Guys,
> >
> >   Yesterday I accompanied the new owner of a '74 Pantera from Sacramento
> >   to his home in San Diego.
> >
> >   We almost made it.
> >
> >   As we entered the worst of the LA megopolis, the charging system
> >   suddenly didn't. The am we had been dancing around for hours and it
> >   finally stabilized deep in the discharge zone. With headlights and fans
> >   on, crawling in stop and go traffic, it wouldn't be too long before the
> >   car quit completely so we dove off the freeway into a gas station and
> >   then enjoyed a two-hour tow truck ride (gotta love AAA premium!)
> >
> >   Today we started troubleshooting. The new owner is almost devoid of
> >   tools, but we started by changing the regulator since its cheap. The
> >   result was an ammeter that now danced violently either side of center.
> >
> >   Next suspect was the alternator. Although it was new, it was a standard
> >   Ford remain and thus probably only 50A. We took it to a nearby
> >   alternator/starter shop where they rebuilt it and converted to 90A in
> >   just over an hour. They said it tested good beforehand, but since we
> >   were there, why not improve it?
> >
> >   With the rebuilt ammeter installed, the needle swing was even more
> >   pronounced, wider at idle, and reducing at about 3000 rpm.
> >
> >   Now armed with a recently purchased voltmeter, we tested voltage at the
> >   battery and found it cranking out 14.3-14.6 volts depending on rpm and
> >   electrical load (headlights etc)
> >
> >   After a quick call to SOBill Taylor (bless him!!!!) we reinstalled the
> >   old regulator to see what would happen.
> >
> >   Ammeter jumping stopped, replaced with a constant discharge. Voltmeter
> >   testing at the battery revealed 12.5 volts--the battery was powering
> >   the car and the alternator was doing nothing.
> >
> >   We reinstalled the new, electronic (as opposed to stock-style
> >   mechanical) regulator, and once again had proper charging indications
> >   at the battery, but the ammeter continued its wild ways.
> >
> >   I shot a video and stupidly oriented my phone vertically. Only idiots
> >   shoot videos like this, so my profound apologies:
> >
> >   [1]http://youtu.be/lLKf2Z23P_Q
> >
> >   So what do you think the next course of action should be? I have at
> >   least one extra stock ammeter and several regulators, so I am thinking
> >   of loaning them to him for troubleshooting purposes. Do any of you have
> >   any suggestions?
> >
> >   (No, don't suggest he just bypass the gauge or switch to a voltmeter--a
> >   voltmeter would not have warned us of our charging system failure and
> >   would have left us stranded on the freeway!)
> >
> >   Thanks in advance for any constructive advice (other than to learn how
> >   to hold a phone properly when shooting a video!)
> >
> >   Mike
> >
> >   Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > References
> >
> >   1. http://youtu.be/lLKf2Z23P_Q
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   It's like Polio or Smallpox - people thought that it had been
   erradicated but is was really just dormant... when people relax and
   forget about the danger.... boom! It was never really gone
   completely...

   On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Paul Rimov <[1]rimovp at gmail.com>
   wrote:

     So is this to warn others the dreaded Drew Flu is still pandemic?
     > On Feb 14, 2017, at 7:19 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
     <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     >
     >A  A Guys,
     >
     >A  A Yesterday I accompanied the new owner of a '74 Pantera from
     Sacramento
     >A  A to his home in San Diego.
     >
     >A  A We almost made it.
     >
     >A  A As we entered the worst of the LA megopolis, the charging
     system
     >A  A suddenly didn't. The am we had been dancing around for hours
     and it
     >A  A finally stabilized deep in the discharge zone. With headlights
     and fans
     >A  A on, crawling in stop and go traffic, it wouldn't be too long
     before the
     >A  A car quit completely so we dove off the freeway into a gas
     station and
     >A  A then enjoyed a two-hour tow truck ride (gotta love AAA
     premium!)
     >
     >A  A Today we started troubleshooting. The new owner is almost
     devoid of
     >A  A tools, but we started by changing the regulator since its
     cheap. The
     >A  A result was an ammeter that now danced violently either side of
     center.
     >
     >A  A Next suspect was the alternator. Although it was new, it was a
     standard
     >A  A Ford remain and thus probably only 50A. We took it to a nearby
     >A  A alternator/starter shop where they rebuilt it and converted to
     90A in
     >A  A just over an hour. They said it tested good beforehand, but
     since we
     >A  A were there, why not improve it?
     >
     >A  A With the rebuilt ammeter installed, the needle swing was even
     more
     >A  A pronounced, wider at idle, and reducing at about 3000 rpm.
     >
     >A  A Now armed with a recently purchased voltmeter, we tested
     voltage at the
     >A  A battery and found it cranking out 14.3-14.6 volts depending on
     rpm and
     >A  A electrical load (headlights etc)
     >
     >A  A After a quick call to SOBill Taylor (bless him!!!!) we
     reinstalled the
     >A  A old regulator to see what would happen.
     >
     >A  A Ammeter jumping stopped, replaced with a constant discharge.
     Voltmeter
     >A  A testing at the battery revealed 12.5 volts--the battery was
     powering
     >A  A the car and the alternator was doing nothing.
     >
     >A  A We reinstalled the new, electronic (as opposed to stock-style
     >A  A mechanical) regulator, and once again had proper charging
     indications
     >A  A at the battery, but the ammeter continued its wild ways.
     >
     >A  A I shot a video and stupidly oriented my phone vertically. Only
     idiots
     >A  A shoot videos like this, so my profound apologies:
     >
     >A  A [1][3]http://youtu.be/lLKf2Z23P_Q
     >
     >A  A So what do you think the next course of action should be? I
     have at
     >A  A least one extra stock ammeter and several regulators, so I am
     thinking
     >A  A of loaning them to him for troubleshooting purposes. Do any of
     you have
     >A  A any suggestions?
     >
     >A  A (No, don't suggest he just bypass the gauge or switch to a
     voltmeter--a
     >A  A voltmeter would not have warned us of our charging system
     failure and
     >A  A would have left us stranded on the freeway!)
     >
     >A  A Thanks in advance for any constructive advice (other than to
     learn how
     >A  A to hold a phone properly when shooting a video!)
     >
     >A  A Mike
     >
     >A  A Sent from my iPhone
     >
     > References
     >
     >A  A 1. [4]http://youtu.be/lLKf2Z23P_Q
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