[DeTomaso] Two Low Mileage Cars, what's wrong with this picture?

Wed Feb 15 15:03:18 EST 2017

This discussion came up a couple weeks ago the seller has the VIN transposed, it is listed as VIN#6032 and the car in question is actually #6023.

Julian

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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Two Low Mileage Cars, what's wrong with this picture?

The mileage on the silver car doesn’t seem to align with the registry.  ProvaMo states that in 2010 mileage was 18,020 since 1991 “frame off” restoration at 72,513 miles.  Maybe the 3K miles the seller is representing means it was restored again and odometer reset again?   All seems fishy

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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Two Low Mileage Cars, what's wrong with this picture?

Steve,

Mileage on the silver car is correct but it's not nearly as nice as they are pretending. It led a hard life without being driven. It had been repainted in different places multiple times, and the colors don't match--it's at least three different colors. The paint job was poor with visible overspray on the rubber around the glass.

A friend had purchased this car last year for a six-figure sum from the long term so-cal owner, contingent upon a successful inspection. When his agent saw it in person he ran away screaming and the deal was unwound.

If you look in the registry you can see some of the evidence....

Mike

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On Feb 15, 2017, at 7:52, <steven.liebenow at att.net> wrote:

>   Hey!
>   So two low mileage cars pop up this morning on eBay, out in OH at same
>   dealership.   #6032 (Silver) has 4K miles on it and presents very
>   well.  #7380 (orange- last US prod car....) has 17K on the clock.
>   In comparing the two cars and pictures, the 6032 seems very reasonable
>   to support low mileage. You can actually see blue paint on the oil pan
>   and headers etc look clean, chassis components have no rust..chipped
>   paint....etc.
>   However, when you flip over to the car with 17K on it, the scene
>   changes........the oil pan looks like it's on a car with 100K,
>   appearing to have oil and dirt accumulated in great quantity.  However,
>   picture isn't all that good.......    Half shafts also show lots of
>   dirt accumulated.  ZF looks very used as well.....
>   It just seems like for 17K miles, supposedly while in the hands of a
>   collector, that the eyeballs are telling me that this has more like 77K
>   on it......
>   If I could see pedal pads that would help.....presuming that they are
>   still present.....
>   Anyone else notice this?
>   Ciao!
>   Steve
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   This discussion came up a couple weeks ago the seller has the VIN
   transposed, it is listed as VIN#6032 and the car in question
   is actually #6023.

   Julian
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   Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:56 AM
   To: Mike Drew; steven.liebenow at att.net
   Cc: DeTomaso List
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Two Low Mileage Cars, what's wrong with this
   picture?

   The mileage on the silver car doesn't seem to align with the registry.
   ProvaMo states that in 2010 mileage was 18,020 since 1991 "frame off"
   restoration at 72,513 miles.  Maybe the 3K miles the seller is
   representing means it was restored again and odometer reset again?
   All seems fishy
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   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Two Low Mileage Cars, what's wrong with this
   picture?
   Steve,
   Mileage on the silver car is correct but it's not nearly as nice as
   they are pretending. It led a hard life without being driven. It had
   been repainted in different places multiple times, and the colors don't
   match--it's at least three different colors. The paint job was poor
   with visible overspray on the rubber around the glass.
   A friend had purchased this car last year for a six-figure sum from the
   long term so-cal owner, contingent upon a successful inspection. When
   his agent saw it in person he ran away screaming and the deal was
   unwound.
   If you look in the registry you can see some of the evidence....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   On Feb 15, 2017, at 7:52, <steven.liebenow at att.net> wrote:
   >   Hey!
   >   So two low mileage cars pop up this morning on eBay, out in OH at
   same
   >   dealership.   #6032 (Silver) has 4K miles on it and presents very
   >   well.  #7380 (orange- last US prod car....) has 17K on the clock.
   >   In comparing the two cars and pictures, the 6032 seems very
   reasonable
   >   to support low mileage. You can actually see blue paint on the oil
   pan
   >   and headers etc look clean, chassis components have no
   rust..chipped
   >   paint....etc.
   >   However, when you flip over to the car with 17K on it, the scene
   >   changes........the oil pan looks like it's on a car with 100K,
   >   appearing to have oil and dirt accumulated in great quantity.
   However,
   >   picture isn't all that good.......    Half shafts also show lots of
   >   dirt accumulated.  ZF looks very used as well.....
   >   It just seems like for 17K miles, supposedly while in the hands of
   a
   >   collector, that the eyeballs are telling me that this has more like
   77K
   >   on it......
   >   If I could see pedal pads that would help.....presuming that they
   are
   >   still present.....
   >   Anyone else notice this?
   >   Ciao!
   >   Steve
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