[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 152, Issue 4
Eugenio Innocenti
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Sat Feb 4 13:09:53 EST 2017
FYI: there is a 1 slot 8inch Campy for sale on [1]Ebay.de
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 74 Pantera on BaT (P6746 at aol.com)
2. '73/'74 Campys for sale (Brent Stewart)
3. Re: '73/'74 Campys for sale (Mike Drew)
4. Re: FANTASTIC brake rotor news! (Forest Goodhart)
5. Re: FANTASTIC brake rotor news! (Mike Drew)
6. Re: 74 Pantera on BaT (Mike Reilly)
7. Re: Foose Pantera ? (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
8. Re: Foose Pantera ? (Scott Couchman)
9. 2017 Calendar? (Mike Thomas)
10. Re: 2017 Calendar? (Mike Drew)
11. Re: 2017 Calendar? (Mike Thomas)
12. Re: 2017 Calendar? (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
13. Re: 2017 Calendar? (Mike Drew)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 12:55:26 -0500
From: P6746 at aol.com
To: mbefthomas at comcast.net, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 74 Pantera on BaT
Message-ID: <e7cef7.17305deb.45c61e0e at aol.com>
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I think this is a survivor just as it is and the current bid of
$36500 is
about sixty-five grand under it's true value. Bob R
In a message dated 2/3/2017 12:17:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mbefthomas at comcast.net writes:
This could be a good survivor project car.
[3]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328
This could be a good survivor project car.
[1][4]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328
References
1.[5] http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
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I think this is a survivor just as it is and the current bid of
$36500
is about sixty-five grand under it's true value. Bob R
In a message dated 2/3/2017 12:17:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mbefthomas at comcast.net writes:
This could be a good survivor project car.
[7]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328
This could be a good survivor project car.
[1][8]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328
References
1.[9] http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 20:44:11 +0000 (UTC)
From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] '73/'74 Campys for sale
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All,.I may have a line on some stock Campagnolo Pantera Wheels, 8's
and 7's in what I believe will be excellent condition. ?Please let
me know if you are interested before I toss these on ebay or
craigslist. Located in SF Bay area, probably a pain to ship...
.brent.
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All,
.
I may have a line on some stock Campagnolo Pantera Wheels, 8's and
7's
in what I believe will be excellent condition. Please let me know if
you are interested before I toss these on ebay or craigslist.
Located
in SF Bay area, probably a pain to ship...
.
brent
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 13:07:15 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>, DeTomaso Mail List
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] '73/'74 Campys for sale
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Brent,
FWIW wheels are EASY to ship. You can get 16x16x16 boxes from Fed Ex
Office, stack all four wheels with cardboard separating them from
one another, and ship all four in a single box that you construct
using two of the 16-cube boxes. I've done it many times.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 3, 2017, at 12:44, Brent Stewart via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> All,
> .
> I may have a line on some stock Campagnolo Pantera Wheels, 8's and
7's
> in what I believe will be excellent condition. Please let me know
if
> you are interested before I toss these on ebay or craigslist.
Located
> in SF Bay area, probably a pain to ship...
> .
> brent
> .
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 21:42:05 +0000 (UTC)
From: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, B Hower via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FANTASTIC brake rotor news!
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Mike,
Do you have the part number of the ones you ordered from summit?I
ordered?from the tire rack and got hub/rotor assemblies.
Forest?
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 9:39 PM
Subject: [DeTomaso] FANTASTIC brake rotor news!
> Hi guys,
>
> Some years ago, some smart people here figured out that 1965-1967
Mustang front brake rotors were a perfect replacement for the stock
Pantera front rotors, with the advantage that they were vented.? The
Euro GTS had vented rotors as an option, but original Euro vented
rotors are rare and exceptionally expensive.
>
> Stock Mustang rotors were cheap and readily available until a few
years ago.? Then the industry changed, and instead of manufacturing
them like before (where the hub and the rotor were two separate
parts, as on the Pantera), they went to a one-piece casting where
the hub was cast integral with the rotor.? While they were a cheap
and reasonable option for the Mustang crowd, that made them no
longer suitable for Pantera use.
>
> A few years ago, I stumbled across a Mustang vintage race prep
shop in southern California that said they had tooled up to
reproduce original-spec Mustang rotors, produced by a company called
Centric.? Besides the normal option, they also offered them with
nice optional features, such as slotted surface, cryogenic
treatment, or both.? I organized a group buy here, and over 100 of
you ordered some.? I filled the orders, but then it wasn't possible
to get any more unless I did another volume buy.
>
> Fast-forward to 2017.? Turns out Centric is the OEM arm of the
aftermarket company Stoptech (or perhaps Stoptech is the aftermarket
arm of the OEM supplier Centric).? And it further turns out that
these discs are now readily available from multiple sources, for a
fair bit less (maybe even substantially less) than what I had to
pay, and was selling them for.
>
> I just ordered a pair of slotted, cryo-treated rotors from Summit
for a guy in Germany, and they are PERFECT.? They will bolt right up
to the front end of the Pantera in place of the stock solid rotors.?
The outside diameter is ever so slightly different (no factor), as
is the offset.? However, when De Tomaso engineers designed the front
end, somebody forgot to carry a '1' and the caliper offset was
incorrect relative to the stock solid rotors, so a thin spacer had
to be introduced to space the caliper inboard.? The different offset
of these Centric rotors means that band-aid spacer is removed, and
the caliper is thus perfectly centered on the rotor.
>
> Centric offers a dizzying array of options, starting with a plain,
standard OEM-style Mustang rotor, all the way to a cross-drilled,
slotted, cryogenically treated rotor (slotting makes them handed,
with different part number for left and right).
>
> This link takes you to the Centric catalog where all the rotors
are listed--16 in all:
>
>[12]
https://centricparts.centriccatalog.com/Inquiry/PartInt.aspx?pn=121.
61053&id=WEB_DISC&v=LD&y=1965&m=54&mm=688&uid=ANR&sid=0
>
> There are actually three different brand names used.? I think
C-Tek is the 'bargain' brand, although I'm not sure.? Centric is the
premium OEM replacement brand, while StopTech is the high-end
brand.? All three seem to use the same basic design, but the Centric
and StopTech rotors use better materials and feature a premium
finish.? Here's a link to the description of the Centric premium
rotors:
>
>[13]
http://www.centricparts.com/products/centric-premium-brake-rotors
>
> And here is the description of the higher-end StopTech rotors,
which are the same as the Centric rotors except with the benefit of
optional features such as cryo treatment, slotting, drilling, or any
combination of the three:
>
>[14] http://www.centricparts.com/products/stoptech-sport-rotors
>
> Best of all is the price--these high-quality rotors are much, MUCH
less expensive than custom Wilwood rotors, or rotors that are
intended for other applications (such as Porsche) that go through an
extensive/expensive machining/klugeing process to make them suitable
for Pantera use.? For literally less than half the cost, you can
just pull quality rotors out of a box and bolt them right up to the
front of your Pantera.? Happy days!
>
> The standard rotors are available from Summit, although their
online catalog isn't smart enough to list them by application
(1965-67 Mustang).? Going backwards from the Centric catalog and
searching on the part number, these appeared:
>
>[15] https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ceb-120-61053
>
> The rest of the offerings can be found in a similar fashion;
here's an ugly link to the StopTech offerings:
>
>[16]
https://www.summitracing.com/search/year/1965/make/ford/model/mustan
g/department/brake-systems/part-type/brake-rotors?SortBy=Default&Sor
tOrder=Ascending&N=4294947032%2B4294951343%2B4294951333%2B4294947838
%2B4294947817%2B402150
>
> A word on drilled rotors--most people who run cars hard agree that
drilled rotors are a bad idea.? They were fashionable for awhile, as
they nominally offered better cooling, but they also tend to lead to
cracks.? Race cars that used drilled rotors usually see them thrown
in the trash at the end of the day.? They look cool, but aren't
really a good solution, and most race cars no longer rely on
cross-drilling.
>
> Slotting the rotors does seem to pay big dividends with no
penalties.? The slots sweep away pad debris and water, offering
superior stopping performance.
>
> Cryo treatment also pays dividends.? Through some magic that isn't
well-explained (I'm sure you can Google it and find out specifically
why it improves rotor life), cryo treatment makes the rotors last
longer.
>
> So, to my mind, the best possible option would be a cryo-treated,
slotted rotor.? The slots make the rotors 'handed' (that is, there
is a left and right side rotor), while the plain rotors are designed
to be run on either side.? The part numbers for the slotted rotors
including "L" or "R" at the end accordingly.
>
> If you search on the part number, you can find these rotors on
Amazon, PartsGeek.com and other places as well.? Generally the parts
prices are lower than Summit, but Summit offers free shipping while
the others charge $25 each or something like that, meaning that the
best overall deal is probably from Summit.? You can probably also
order them direct from your local auto parts store, if that turns
you on.
>
> Over 100 of you have already installed these rotors on the front
of your Panteras, so you know that they fit and they work great.?
That means the rest of you can buy with confidence.
>
> One final word on this subject:? The stock solid brake rotors work
absolutely fine for 90% of Pantera owners, perhaps even more.? If
you have never pushed your car hard enough so that the brakes
overheated, so the pedal got squishy and the pads started stinking,
then you will see ABSOLUTELY NO BENEFIT from changing to these
vented rotors.? However, if you have found yourself at the bottom of
a winding mountain road with a long brake pedal, or had to back off
during a track day because the brakes started going away, this is a
very simple, cheap way to at least initially address the problem.
>
> Granted, a full-on Godzilla Wilwood brake setup will certainly
offer superior performance under extreme use.? But for aggressive
street driving or moderate track-day work, these vented front
rotors, in conjunction with the stock rear rotors, with good
Porterfield pads, braided stainless hoses, a master cylinder in good
condition, and the stock proportining valve in good working order,
will likely produce all the braking power you will ever need.
>
> (Note that the stock Pantera rear rotor has a larger diameter than
the front rotor, so these rotors will NOT work in the rear.? It's
quite likely another Ford product has a rotor that would do the job,
but unfortunately I don't have knowledge of that, although I do plan
to research it someday....)
>
> Photos of the StopTech 126-61053CSL (slotted/cryo) rotor appear
below.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Mike,
Do you have the part number of the ones you ordered from summit?
I ordered from the tire rack and got hub/rotor assemblies.
Forest
__________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 9:39 PM
Subject: [DeTomaso] FANTASTIC brake rotor news!
> Hi guys,
>
> Some years ago, some smart people here figured out that 1965-1967
Mustang front brake rotors were a perfect replacement for the stock
Pantera front rotors, with the advantage that they were vented. The
Euro GTS had vented rotors as an option, but original Euro vented
rotors are rare and exceptionally expensive.
>
> Stock Mustang rotors were cheap and readily available until a few
years ago. Then the industry changed, and instead of manufacturing
them like before (where the hub and the rotor were two separate
parts,
as on the Pantera), they went to a one-piece casting where the hub
was
cast integral with the rotor. While they were a cheap and reasonable
option for the Mustang crowd, that made them no longer suitable for
Pantera use.
>
> A few years ago, I stumbled across a Mustang vintage race prep
shop
in southern California that said they had tooled up to reproduce
original-spec Mustang rotors, produced by a company called Centric.
Besides the normal option, they also offered them with nice optional
features, such as slotted surface, cryogenic treatment, or both. I
organized a group buy here, and over 100 of you ordered some. I
filled
the orders, but then it wasn't possible to get any more unless I did
another volume buy.
>
> Fast-forward to 2017. Turns out Centric is the OEM arm of the
aftermarket company Stoptech (or perhaps Stoptech is the aftermarket
arm of the OEM supplier Centric). And it further turns out that
these
discs are now readily available from multiple sources, for a fair
bit
less (maybe even substantially less) than what I had to pay, and was
selling them for.
>
> I just ordered a pair of slotted, cryo-treated rotors from Summit
for
a guy in Germany, and they are PERFECT. They will bolt right up to
the
front end of the Pantera in place of the stock solid rotors. The
outside diameter is ever so slightly different (no factor), as is
the
offset. However, when De Tomaso engineers designed the front end,
somebody forgot to carry a '1' and the caliper offset was incorrect
relative to the stock solid rotors, so a thin spacer had to be
introduced to space the caliper inboard. The different offset of
these
Centric rotors means that band-aid spacer is removed, and the
caliper
is thus perfectly centered on the rotor.
>
> Centric offers a dizzying array of options, starting with a plain,
standard OEM-style Mustang rotor, all the way to a cross-drilled,
slotted, cryogenically treated rotor (slotting makes them handed,
with
different part number for left and right).
>
> This link takes you to the Centric catalog where all the rotors
are
listed--16 in all:
>
>
[1][18]https://centricparts.centriccatalog.com/Inquiry/PartInt.aspx?
pn=121.
61053&id=WEB_DISC&v=LD&y=1965&m=54&mm=688&uid=ANR&sid=0
>
> There are actually three different brand names used. I think C-Tek
is the 'bargain' brand, although I'm not sure. Centric is the
premium
OEM replacement brand, while StopTech is the high-end brand. All
three
seem to use the same basic design, but the Centric and StopTech
rotors
use better materials and feature a premium finish. Here's a link to
the description of the Centric premium rotors:
>
>
[2][19]http://www.centricparts.com/products/centric-premium-brake-ro
tors
>
> And here is the description of the higher-end StopTech rotors,
which
are the same as the Centric rotors except with the benefit of
optional
features such as cryo treatment, slotting, drilling, or any
combination
of the three:
>
> [3][20]http://www.centricparts.com/products/stoptech-sport-rotors
>
> Best of all is the price--these high-quality rotors are much, MUCH
less expensive than custom Wilwood rotors, or rotors that are
intended
for other applications (such as Porsche) that go through an
extensive/expensive machining/klugeing process to make them suitable
for Pantera use. For literally less than half the cost, you can just
pull quality rotors out of a box and bolt them right up to the front
of
your Pantera. Happy days!
>
> The standard rotors are available from Summit, although their
online
catalog isn't smart enough to list them by application (1965-67
Mustang). Going backwards from the Centric catalog and searching on
the part number, these appeared:
>
> [4][21]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ceb-120-61053
>
> The rest of the offerings can be found in a similar fashion;
here's
an ugly link to the StopTech offerings:
>
>
[5][22]https://www.summitracing.com/search/year/1965/make/ford/model
/mustan
g/department/brake-systems/part-type/brake-rotors?SortBy=Default&Sor
tOr
der=Ascending&N=4294947032%2B4294951343%2B4294951333%2B4294947838%2B
429
4947817%2B402150
>
> A word on drilled rotors--most people who run cars hard agree that
drilled rotors are a bad idea. They were fashionable for awhile, as
they nominally offered better cooling, but they also tend to lead to
cracks. Race cars that used drilled rotors usually see them thrown
in
the trash at the end of the day. They look cool, but aren't really a
good solution, and most race cars no longer rely on cross-drilling.
>
> Slotting the rotors does seem to pay big dividends with no
penalties. The slots sweep away pad debris and water, offering
superior stopping performance.
>
> Cryo treatment also pays dividends. Through some magic that isn't
well-explained (I'm sure you can Google it and find out specifically
why it improves rotor life), cryo treatment makes the rotors last
longer.
>
> So, to my mind, the best possible option would be a cryo-treated,
slotted rotor. The slots make the rotors 'handed' (that is, there is
a
left and right side rotor), while the plain rotors are designed to
be
run on either side. The part numbers for the slotted rotors
including
"L" or "R" at the end accordingly.
>
> If you search on the part number, you can find these rotors on
Amazon, PartsGeek.com and other places as well. Generally the parts
prices are lower than Summit, but Summit offers free shipping while
the
others charge $25 each or something like that, meaning that the best
overall deal is probably from Summit. You can probably also order
them
direct from your local auto parts store, if that turns you on.
>
> Over 100 of you have already installed these rotors on the front
of
your Panteras, so you know that they fit and they work great. That
means the rest of you can buy with confidence.
>
> One final word on this subject: The stock solid brake rotors work
absolutely fine for 90% of Pantera owners, perhaps even more. If you
have never pushed your car hard enough so that the brakes
overheated,
so the pedal got squishy and the pads started stinking, then you
will
see ABSOLUTELY NO BENEFIT from changing to these vented rotors.
However, if you have found yourself at the bottom of a winding
mountain
road with a long brake pedal, or had to back off during a track day
because the brakes started going away, this is a very simple, cheap
way
to at least initially address the problem.
>
> Granted, a full-on Godzilla Wilwood brake setup will certainly
offer
superior performance under extreme use. But for aggressive street
driving or moderate track-day work, these vented front rotors, in
conjunction with the stock rear rotors, with good Porterfield pads,
braided stainless hoses, a master cylinder in good condition, and
the
stock proportining valve in good working order, will likely produce
all
the braking power you will ever need.
>
> (Note that the stock Pantera rear rotor has a larger diameter than
the front rotor, so these rotors will NOT work in the rear. It's
quite
likely another Ford product has a rotor that would do the job, but
unfortunately I don't have knowledge of that, although I do plan to
research it someday....)
>
> Photos of the StopTech 126-61053CSL (slotted/cryo) rotor appear
below.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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References
1.[24]
https://centricparts.centriccatalog.com/Inquiry/PartInt.aspx?pn=121.
61053&id=WEB_DISC&v=LD&y=1965&m=54&mm=688&uid=ANR&sid=0
2.[25]
http://www.centricparts.com/products/centric-premium-brake-rotors
3.[26] http://www.centricparts.com/products/stoptech-sport-rotors
4.[27] https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ceb-120-61053
5.[28]
https://www.summitracing.com/search/year/1965/make/ford/model/mustan
g/department/brake-systems/part-type/brake-rotors?SortBy=Default&Sor
tOrder=Ascending&N=4294947032%2B4294951343%2B4294951333%2B4294947838
%2B4294947817%2B402150
6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 14:06:40 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>
Cc: B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FANTASTIC brake rotor news!
Message-ID: <AD0D4DA0-9228-4AD7-A33E-C7F3F0F28397 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Forest,
Uh...I included direct links to summit in my original post. They
appear below.
Did you order Stoptech rotors for a '65 Mustang or some other brand?
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 3, 2017, at 13:42, Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net> wrote:
> Mike,
> Do you have the part number of the ones you ordered from summit?
> I ordered from the tire rack and got hub/rotor assemblies.
> Forest
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> To: B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 9:39 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] FANTASTIC brake rotor news!
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Some years ago, some smart people here figured out that 1965-1967
> Mustang front brake rotors were a perfect replacement for the
stock
> Pantera front rotors, with the advantage that they were vented.
The
> Euro GTS had vented rotors as an option, but original Euro vented
> rotors are rare and exceptionally expensive.
>>
>> Stock Mustang rotors were cheap and readily available until a few
> years ago. Then the industry changed, and instead of manufacturing
> them like before (where the hub and the rotor were two separate
parts,
> as on the Pantera), they went to a one-piece casting where the hub
was
> cast integral with the rotor. While they were a cheap and
reasonable
> option for the Mustang crowd, that made them no longer suitable
for
> Pantera use.
>>
>> A few years ago, I stumbled across a Mustang vintage race prep
shop
> in southern California that said they had tooled up to reproduce
> original-spec Mustang rotors, produced by a company called
Centric.
> Besides the normal option, they also offered them with nice
optional
> features, such as slotted surface, cryogenic treatment, or both. I
> organized a group buy here, and over 100 of you ordered some. I
filled
> the orders, but then it wasn't possible to get any more unless I
did
> another volume buy.
>>
>> Fast-forward to 2017. Turns out Centric is the OEM arm of the
> aftermarket company Stoptech (or perhaps Stoptech is the
aftermarket
> arm of the OEM supplier Centric). And it further turns out that
these
> discs are now readily available from multiple sources, for a fair
bit
> less (maybe even substantially less) than what I had to pay, and
was
> selling them for.
>>
>> I just ordered a pair of slotted, cryo-treated rotors from Summit
for
> a guy in Germany, and they are PERFECT. They will bolt right up to
the
> front end of the Pantera in place of the stock solid rotors. The
> outside diameter is ever so slightly different (no factor), as is
the
> offset. However, when De Tomaso engineers designed the front end,
> somebody forgot to carry a '1' and the caliper offset was
incorrect
> relative to the stock solid rotors, so a thin spacer had to be
> introduced to space the caliper inboard. The different offset of
these
> Centric rotors means that band-aid spacer is removed, and the
caliper
> is thus perfectly centered on the rotor.
>>
>> Centric offers a dizzying array of options, starting with a
plain,
> standard OEM-style Mustang rotor, all the way to a cross-drilled,
> slotted, cryogenically treated rotor (slotting makes them handed,
with
> different part number for left and right).
>>
>> This link takes you to the Centric catalog where all the rotors
are
> listed--16 in all:
>
[1][30]https://centricparts.centriccatalog.com/Inquiry/PartInt.aspx?
pn=121.
> 61053&id=WEB_DISC&v=LD&y=1965&m=54&mm=688&uid=ANR&sid=0
>>
>> There are actually three different brand names used. I think
C-Tek
> is the 'bargain' brand, although I'm not sure. Centric is the
premium
> OEM replacement brand, while StopTech is the high-end brand. All
three
> seem to use the same basic design, but the Centric and StopTech
rotors
> use better materials and feature a premium finish. Here's a link
to
> the description of the Centric premium rotors:
>>
>>
[2][31]http://www.centricparts.com/products/centric-premium-brake-ro
tors
>>
>> And here is the description of the higher-end StopTech rotors,
which
> are the same as the Centric rotors except with the benefit of
optional
> features such as cryo treatment, slotting, drilling, or any
combination
> of the three:
>>
>> [3][32]http://www.centricparts.com/products/stoptech-sport-rotors
>>
>> Best of all is the price--these high-quality rotors are much,
MUCH
> less expensive than custom Wilwood rotors, or rotors that are
intended
> for other applications (such as Porsche) that go through an
> extensive/expensive machining/klugeing process to make them
suitable
> for Pantera use. For literally less than half the cost, you can
just
> pull quality rotors out of a box and bolt them right up to the
front of
> your Pantera. Happy days!
>>
>> The standard rotors are available from Summit, although their
online
> catalog isn't smart enough to list them by application (1965-67
> Mustang). Going backwards from the Centric catalog and searching
on
> the part number, these appeared:
>>
>> [4][33]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ceb-120-61053
>>
>> The rest of the offerings can be found in a similar fashion;
here's
> an ugly link to the StopTech offerings:
>
[5][34]https://www.summitracing.com/search/year/1965/make/ford/model
/mustan
>
g/department/brake-systems/part-type/brake-rotors?SortBy=Default&Sor
tOr
>
der=Ascending&N=4294947032%2B4294951343%2B4294951333%2B4294947838%2B
429
> 4947817%2B402150
>>
>> A word on drilled rotors--most people who run cars hard agree
that
> drilled rotors are a bad idea. They were fashionable for awhile,
as
> they nominally offered better cooling, but they also tend to lead
to
> cracks. Race cars that used drilled rotors usually see them thrown
in
> the trash at the end of the day. They look cool, but aren't really
a
> good solution, and most race cars no longer rely on
cross-drilling.
>>
>> Slotting the rotors does seem to pay big dividends with no
> penalties. The slots sweep away pad debris and water, offering
> superior stopping performance.
>>
>> Cryo treatment also pays dividends. Through some magic that isn't
> well-explained (I'm sure you can Google it and find out
specifically
> why it improves rotor life), cryo treatment makes the rotors last
> longer.
>>
>> So, to my mind, the best possible option would be a cryo-treated,
> slotted rotor. The slots make the rotors 'handed' (that is, there
is a
> left and right side rotor), while the plain rotors are designed to
be
> run on either side. The part numbers for the slotted rotors
including
> "L" or "R" at the end accordingly.
>>
>> If you search on the part number, you can find these rotors on
> Amazon, PartsGeek.com and other places as well. Generally the
parts
> prices are lower than Summit, but Summit offers free shipping
while the
> others charge $25 each or something like that, meaning that the
best
> overall deal is probably from Summit. You can probably also order
them
> direct from your local auto parts store, if that turns you on.
>>
>> Over 100 of you have already installed these rotors on the front
of
> your Panteras, so you know that they fit and they work great. That
> means the rest of you can buy with confidence.
>>
>> One final word on this subject: The stock solid brake rotors work
> absolutely fine for 90% of Pantera owners, perhaps even more. If
you
> have never pushed your car hard enough so that the brakes
overheated,
> so the pedal got squishy and the pads started stinking, then you
will
> see ABSOLUTELY NO BENEFIT from changing to these vented rotors.
> However, if you have found yourself at the bottom of a winding
mountain
> road with a long brake pedal, or had to back off during a track
day
> because the brakes started going away, this is a very simple,
cheap way
> to at least initially address the problem.
>>
>> Granted, a full-on Godzilla Wilwood brake setup will certainly
offer
> superior performance under extreme use. But for aggressive street
> driving or moderate track-day work, these vented front rotors, in
> conjunction with the stock rear rotors, with good Porterfield
pads,
> braided stainless hoses, a master cylinder in good condition, and
the
> stock proportining valve in good working order, will likely
produce all
> the braking power you will ever need.
>>
>> (Note that the stock Pantera rear rotor has a larger diameter
than
> the front rotor, so these rotors will NOT work in the rear. It's
quite
> likely another Ford product has a rotor that would do the job, but
> unfortunately I don't have knowledge of that, although I do plan
to
> research it someday....)
>>
>> Photos of the StopTech 126-61053CSL (slotted/cryo) rotor appear
> below.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Mike
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61053&id=WEB_DISC&v=LD&y=1965&m=54&mm=688&uid=ANR&sid=0
> 2.[37]
http://www.centricparts.com/products/centric-premium-brake-rotors
> 3.[38] http://www.centricparts.com/products/stoptech-sport-rotors
> 4.[39] https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ceb-120-61053
> 5.[40]
https://www.summitracing.com/search/year/1965/make/ford/model/mustan
g/department/brake-systems/part-type/brake-rotors?SortBy=Default&Sor
tOrder=Ascending&N=4294947032%2B4294951343%2B4294951333%2B4294947838
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 23:03:40 +0000
From: Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
To: "P6746 at aol.com" <P6746 at aol.com>, "mbefthomas at comcast.net"
<mbefthomas at comcast.net>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 74 Pantera on BaT
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I responded to wrong thread before:
Mike, it looks similar but the BaT Pantera is #6315 and the flooded
Pantera was #6681. Link to flood damaged car:[43]
http://www.autobidmaster.com/carfinder-online-auto-auctions/lot/3342
0976/COPART_1974_PANTERA_PANTERA_CERT_OF_TITLE-SALVAGE_FLOOD_BATON_R
OUGE_LA/
That would have been sad if it was being passed off as a
non-salvaged car.
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Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 9:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 74 Pantera on BaT
I think this is a survivor just as it is and the current bid of
$36500 is
about sixty-five grand under it's true value. Bob R
In a message dated 2/3/2017 12:17:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mbefthomas at comcast.net writes:
This could be a good survivor project car.
[45]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328
This could be a good survivor project car.
[1][46]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328
References
1.[47] http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
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I responded to wrong thread before:
Mike, it looks similar but the BaT Pantera is #6315 and the flooded
Pantera was #6681. Link to flood damaged car:
[1][49]http://www.autobidmaster.com/carfinder-online-auto-auctions/l
ot/3342
0976/COPART_1974_PANTERA_PANTERA_CERT_OF_TITLE-SALVAGE_FLOOD_BATON_R
OUG
E_LA/
That would have been sad if it was being passed off as a
non-salvaged
car.
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Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 9:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 74 Pantera on BaT
I think this is a survivor just as it is and the current bid of
$36500
is
about sixty-five grand under it's true value. Bob R
In a message dated 2/3/2017 12:17:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mbefthomas at comcast.net writes:
This could be a good survivor project car.
[6][50]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328
This could be a good survivor project car.
[1][51]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328
References
1. [7][52]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 16:35:42 -0800
From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
To: "List DeTomaso Forum" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Foose Pantera ?
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Do you have photos of the 'old' car Foose made from a Pantera? I see
it I for sale.
Mike
Yes, lots of photos, the car is # 2507.
Chuck
The De Tomaso Registry Guy
[59]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
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Do you have photos of the `old' car Foose made from a Pantera? I see
it I for sale.
Mike
Yes, lots of photos, the car is # 2507.
Chuck
The De Tomaso Registry Guy
[1][60]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
References
1.[61] http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 16:50:38 -0800
From: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>, Mike
Drew
<mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Foose Pantera ?
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I assume you're talking about the Diakosia Chip's father built years
ago. Chip recently traded his Ford GT and the Diakosa for a 60s
vintage Ferrari. I'm not surprised the Diakosa is for sale. He is
currently building restomod 1971 Mustang for the same customer.
> On Feb 3, 2017, at 4:35 PM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Do you have photos of the `old' car Foose made from a Pantera? I
see
> it I for sale.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, lots of photos, the car is # 2507.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> The De Tomaso Registry Guy
>
> [1][62]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>
> References
>
> 1.[63] http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 17:45:59 -0800
From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] 2017 Calendar?
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Mikey, any chance of a 2017 Detomaso calendar? I seem to recall
you've been
travelling a lot.
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 17:53:11 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2017 Calendar?
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Mike,
Working? Yup. I just got home and I'm already leaving for Djibouti
tomorrow.
I'm waiting for the plane to break down somewhere so I can have
enough time to put It together!
Mike
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>
> Mikey, any chance of a 2017 Detomaso calendar? I seem to recall
you've been
> travelling a lot.
>
> Mike Thomas
> Pres., Panteras Northwest
> Yellow '74 #6328
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 17:57:53 -0800
From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2017 Calendar?
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Just when you need it to act like it usually does, it up and gets
reliable
on you ?
Safe flight.
Mike
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2017 Calendar?
Mike,
Working? Yup. I just got home and I'm already leaving for Djibouti
tomorrow.
I'm waiting for the plane to break down somewhere so I can have
enough time
to put It together!
Mike
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> On Feb 3, 2017, at 17:45, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
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>
> Mikey, any chance of a 2017 Detomaso calendar? I seem to recall
> you've been travelling a lot.
>
> Mike Thomas
> Pres., Panteras Northwest
> Yellow '74 #6328
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 21:04:24 -0500
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2017 Calendar?
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That don't sound right!
Hopeful, you mean fail a PRE flight check
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...I'm waiting for the plane to break down somewhere...!
Mike
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 18:29:17 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2017 Calendar?
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Joe,
It's just annoying when they break on the ground. A few days ago I
had to sit around for eight hours while a big-time electrical fault
was sorted out, before then flying six hours to Hawaii. All the
planned beach time went out the window as we didn't land until
dinner time and had to leave then next morning.
It's much more interesting (and fun) when they break in the air.
Lets me put my problem-solving and decision-making skills to good
use. :)
Mike
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> On Feb 3, 2017, at 18:04, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
<byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> That don't sound right!
> Hopeful, you mean fail a PRE flight check
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> ...I'm waiting for the plane to break down somewhere...!
>
> Mike
>
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