[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 152, Issue 4

Eugenio Innocenti e.innocenti at gmx.de
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     Today's Topics:
     1. Re: 74 Pantera on BaT (P6746 at aol.com)
     2. '73/'74 Campys for sale (Brent Stewart)
     3. Re: '73/'74 Campys for sale (Mike Drew)
     4. Re: FANTASTIC brake rotor news! (Forest Goodhart)
     5. Re: FANTASTIC brake rotor news! (Mike Drew)
     6. Re: 74 Pantera on BaT (Mike Reilly)
     7. Re: Foose Pantera ? (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
     8. Re: Foose Pantera ? (Scott Couchman)
     9. 2017 Calendar? (Mike Thomas)
     10. Re: 2017 Calendar? (Mike Drew)
     11. Re: 2017 Calendar? (Mike Thomas)
     12. Re: 2017 Calendar? (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
     13. Re: 2017 Calendar? (Mike Drew)
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     Message: 1
     Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 12:55:26 -0500
     From: P6746 at aol.com
     To: mbefthomas at comcast.net, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 74 Pantera on BaT
     Message-ID: <e7cef7.17305deb.45c61e0e at aol.com>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
     I think this is a survivor just as it is and the current bid of
     $36500 is
     about sixty-five grand under it's true value. Bob R
     In a message dated 2/3/2017 12:17:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
     mbefthomas at comcast.net writes:
     This could be a good survivor project car.
     [3]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
     Mike Thomas
     Pres., Panteras Northwest
     Yellow '74 #6328
     This could be a good survivor project car.
     [1][4]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
     Mike Thomas
     Pres., Panteras Northwest
     Yellow '74 #6328
     References
     1.[5] http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
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     I think this is a survivor just as it is and the current bid of
     $36500
     is about sixty-five grand under it's true value. Bob R
     In a message dated 2/3/2017 12:17:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
     mbefthomas at comcast.net writes:
     This could be a good survivor project car.
     [7]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
     Mike Thomas
     Pres., Panteras Northwest
     Yellow '74 #6328
     This could be a good survivor project car.
     [1][8]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
     Mike Thomas
     Pres., Panteras Northwest
     Yellow '74 #6328
     References
     1.[9] http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
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     Message: 2
     Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 20:44:11 +0000 (UTC)
     From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
     To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: [DeTomaso] '73/'74 Campys for sale
     Message-ID: <87862099.603326.1486154651091 at mail.yahoo.com>
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     All,.I may have a line on some stock Campagnolo Pantera Wheels, 8's
     and 7's in what I believe will be excellent condition. ?Please let
     me know if you are interested before I toss these on ebay or
     craigslist. Located in SF Bay area, probably a pain to ship...
     .brent.
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     All,
     .
     I may have a line on some stock Campagnolo Pantera Wheels, 8's and
     7's
     in what I believe will be excellent condition. Please let me know if
     you are interested before I toss these on ebay or craigslist.
     Located
     in SF Bay area, probably a pain to ship...
     .
     brent
     .
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     Message: 3
     Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 13:07:15 -0800
     From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
     To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>, DeTomaso Mail List
     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] '73/'74 Campys for sale
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     Brent,
     FWIW wheels are EASY to ship. You can get 16x16x16 boxes from Fed Ex
     Office, stack all four wheels with cardboard separating them from
     one another, and ship all four in a single box that you construct
     using two of the 16-cube boxes. I've done it many times.
     Mike
     Sent from my iPhone
     On Feb 3, 2017, at 12:44, Brent Stewart via DeTomaso
     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     > All,
     > .
     > I may have a line on some stock Campagnolo Pantera Wheels, 8's and
     7's
     > in what I believe will be excellent condition. Please let me know
     if
     > you are interested before I toss these on ebay or craigslist.
     Located
     > in SF Bay area, probably a pain to ship...
     > .
     > brent
     > .
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     Message: 4
     Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 21:42:05 +0000 (UTC)
     From: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>
     To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, B Hower via DeTomaso
     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FANTASTIC brake rotor news!
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     Mike,
     Do you have the part number of the ones you ordered from summit?I
     ordered?from the tire rack and got hub/rotor assemblies.
     Forest?
     From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     To: B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 9:39 PM
     Subject: [DeTomaso] FANTASTIC brake rotor news!
     > Hi guys,
     >
     > Some years ago, some smart people here figured out that 1965-1967
     Mustang front brake rotors were a perfect replacement for the stock
     Pantera front rotors, with the advantage that they were vented.? The
     Euro GTS had vented rotors as an option, but original Euro vented
     rotors are rare and exceptionally expensive.
     >
     > Stock Mustang rotors were cheap and readily available until a few
     years ago.? Then the industry changed, and instead of manufacturing
     them like before (where the hub and the rotor were two separate
     parts, as on the Pantera), they went to a one-piece casting where
     the hub was cast integral with the rotor.? While they were a cheap
     and reasonable option for the Mustang crowd, that made them no
     longer suitable for Pantera use.
     >
     > A few years ago, I stumbled across a Mustang vintage race prep
     shop in southern California that said they had tooled up to
     reproduce original-spec Mustang rotors, produced by a company called
     Centric.? Besides the normal option, they also offered them with
     nice optional features, such as slotted surface, cryogenic
     treatment, or both.? I organized a group buy here, and over 100 of
     you ordered some.? I filled the orders, but then it wasn't possible
     to get any more unless I did another volume buy.
     >
     > Fast-forward to 2017.? Turns out Centric is the OEM arm of the
     aftermarket company Stoptech (or perhaps Stoptech is the aftermarket
     arm of the OEM supplier Centric).? And it further turns out that
     these discs are now readily available from multiple sources, for a
     fair bit less (maybe even substantially less) than what I had to
     pay, and was selling them for.
     >
     > I just ordered a pair of slotted, cryo-treated rotors from Summit
     for a guy in Germany, and they are PERFECT.? They will bolt right up
     to the front end of the Pantera in place of the stock solid rotors.?
     The outside diameter is ever so slightly different (no factor), as
     is the offset.? However, when De Tomaso engineers designed the front
     end, somebody forgot to carry a '1' and the caliper offset was
     incorrect relative to the stock solid rotors, so a thin spacer had
     to be introduced to space the caliper inboard.? The different offset
     of these Centric rotors means that band-aid spacer is removed, and
     the caliper is thus perfectly centered on the rotor.
     >
     > Centric offers a dizzying array of options, starting with a plain,
     standard OEM-style Mustang rotor, all the way to a cross-drilled,
     slotted, cryogenically treated rotor (slotting makes them handed,
     with different part number for left and right).
     >
     > This link takes you to the Centric catalog where all the rotors
     are listed--16 in all:
     >
     >[12]
     https://centricparts.centriccatalog.com/Inquiry/PartInt.aspx?pn=121.
     61053&id=WEB_DISC&v=LD&y=1965&m=54&mm=688&uid=ANR&sid=0
     >
     > There are actually three different brand names used.? I think
     C-Tek is the 'bargain' brand, although I'm not sure.? Centric is the
     premium OEM replacement brand, while StopTech is the high-end
     brand.? All three seem to use the same basic design, but the Centric
     and StopTech rotors use better materials and feature a premium
     finish.? Here's a link to the description of the Centric premium
     rotors:
     >
     >[13]
     http://www.centricparts.com/products/centric-premium-brake-rotors
     >
     > And here is the description of the higher-end StopTech rotors,
     which are the same as the Centric rotors except with the benefit of
     optional features such as cryo treatment, slotting, drilling, or any
     combination of the three:
     >
     >[14] http://www.centricparts.com/products/stoptech-sport-rotors
     >
     > Best of all is the price--these high-quality rotors are much, MUCH
     less expensive than custom Wilwood rotors, or rotors that are
     intended for other applications (such as Porsche) that go through an
     extensive/expensive machining/klugeing process to make them suitable
     for Pantera use.? For literally less than half the cost, you can
     just pull quality rotors out of a box and bolt them right up to the
     front of your Pantera.? Happy days!
     >
     > The standard rotors are available from Summit, although their
     online catalog isn't smart enough to list them by application
     (1965-67 Mustang).? Going backwards from the Centric catalog and
     searching on the part number, these appeared:
     >
     >[15] https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ceb-120-61053
     >
     > The rest of the offerings can be found in a similar fashion;
     here's an ugly link to the StopTech offerings:
     >
     >[16]
     https://www.summitracing.com/search/year/1965/make/ford/model/mustan
     g/department/brake-systems/part-type/brake-rotors?SortBy=Default&Sor
     tOrder=Ascending&N=4294947032%2B4294951343%2B4294951333%2B4294947838
     %2B4294947817%2B402150
     >
     > A word on drilled rotors--most people who run cars hard agree that
     drilled rotors are a bad idea.? They were fashionable for awhile, as
     they nominally offered better cooling, but they also tend to lead to
     cracks.? Race cars that used drilled rotors usually see them thrown
     in the trash at the end of the day.? They look cool, but aren't
     really a good solution, and most race cars no longer rely on
     cross-drilling.
     >
     > Slotting the rotors does seem to pay big dividends with no
     penalties.? The slots sweep away pad debris and water, offering
     superior stopping performance.
     >
     > Cryo treatment also pays dividends.? Through some magic that isn't
     well-explained (I'm sure you can Google it and find out specifically
     why it improves rotor life), cryo treatment makes the rotors last
     longer.
     >
     > So, to my mind, the best possible option would be a cryo-treated,
     slotted rotor.? The slots make the rotors 'handed' (that is, there
     is a left and right side rotor), while the plain rotors are designed
     to be run on either side.? The part numbers for the slotted rotors
     including "L" or "R" at the end accordingly.
     >
     > If you search on the part number, you can find these rotors on
     Amazon, PartsGeek.com and other places as well.? Generally the parts
     prices are lower than Summit, but Summit offers free shipping while
     the others charge $25 each or something like that, meaning that the
     best overall deal is probably from Summit.? You can probably also
     order them direct from your local auto parts store, if that turns
     you on.
     >
     > Over 100 of you have already installed these rotors on the front
     of your Panteras, so you know that they fit and they work great.?
     That means the rest of you can buy with confidence.
     >
     > One final word on this subject:? The stock solid brake rotors work
     absolutely fine for 90% of Pantera owners, perhaps even more.? If
     you have never pushed your car hard enough so that the brakes
     overheated, so the pedal got squishy and the pads started stinking,
     then you will see ABSOLUTELY NO BENEFIT from changing to these
     vented rotors.? However, if you have found yourself at the bottom of
     a winding mountain road with a long brake pedal, or had to back off
     during a track day because the brakes started going away, this is a
     very simple, cheap way to at least initially address the problem.
     >
     > Granted, a full-on Godzilla Wilwood brake setup will certainly
     offer superior performance under extreme use.? But for aggressive
     street driving or moderate track-day work, these vented front
     rotors, in conjunction with the stock rear rotors, with good
     Porterfield pads, braided stainless hoses, a master cylinder in good
     condition, and the stock proportining valve in good working order,
     will likely produce all the braking power you will ever need.
     >
     > (Note that the stock Pantera rear rotor has a larger diameter than
     the front rotor, so these rotors will NOT work in the rear.? It's
     quite likely another Ford product has a rotor that would do the job,
     but unfortunately I don't have knowledge of that, although I do plan
     to research it someday....)
     >
     > Photos of the StopTech 126-61053CSL (slotted/cryo) rotor appear
     below.
     >
     > Cheers!
     >
     > Mike
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
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     Mike,
     Do you have the part number of the ones you ordered from summit?
     I ordered from the tire rack and got hub/rotor assemblies.
     Forest
     __________________________________________________________________
     From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     To: B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 9:39 PM
     Subject: [DeTomaso] FANTASTIC brake rotor news!
     > Hi guys,
     >
     > Some years ago, some smart people here figured out that 1965-1967
     Mustang front brake rotors were a perfect replacement for the stock
     Pantera front rotors, with the advantage that they were vented. The
     Euro GTS had vented rotors as an option, but original Euro vented
     rotors are rare and exceptionally expensive.
     >
     > Stock Mustang rotors were cheap and readily available until a few
     years ago. Then the industry changed, and instead of manufacturing
     them like before (where the hub and the rotor were two separate
     parts,
     as on the Pantera), they went to a one-piece casting where the hub
     was
     cast integral with the rotor. While they were a cheap and reasonable
     option for the Mustang crowd, that made them no longer suitable for
     Pantera use.
     >
     > A few years ago, I stumbled across a Mustang vintage race prep
     shop
     in southern California that said they had tooled up to reproduce
     original-spec Mustang rotors, produced by a company called Centric.
     Besides the normal option, they also offered them with nice optional
     features, such as slotted surface, cryogenic treatment, or both. I
     organized a group buy here, and over 100 of you ordered some. I
     filled
     the orders, but then it wasn't possible to get any more unless I did
     another volume buy.
     >
     > Fast-forward to 2017. Turns out Centric is the OEM arm of the
     aftermarket company Stoptech (or perhaps Stoptech is the aftermarket
     arm of the OEM supplier Centric). And it further turns out that
     these
     discs are now readily available from multiple sources, for a fair
     bit
     less (maybe even substantially less) than what I had to pay, and was
     selling them for.
     >
     > I just ordered a pair of slotted, cryo-treated rotors from Summit
     for
     a guy in Germany, and they are PERFECT. They will bolt right up to
     the
     front end of the Pantera in place of the stock solid rotors. The
     outside diameter is ever so slightly different (no factor), as is
     the
     offset. However, when De Tomaso engineers designed the front end,
     somebody forgot to carry a '1' and the caliper offset was incorrect
     relative to the stock solid rotors, so a thin spacer had to be
     introduced to space the caliper inboard. The different offset of
     these
     Centric rotors means that band-aid spacer is removed, and the
     caliper
     is thus perfectly centered on the rotor.
     >
     > Centric offers a dizzying array of options, starting with a plain,
     standard OEM-style Mustang rotor, all the way to a cross-drilled,
     slotted, cryogenically treated rotor (slotting makes them handed,
     with
     different part number for left and right).
     >
     > This link takes you to the Centric catalog where all the rotors
     are
     listed--16 in all:
     >
     >
     [1][18]https://centricparts.centriccatalog.com/Inquiry/PartInt.aspx?
     pn=121.
     61053&id=WEB_DISC&v=LD&y=1965&m=54&mm=688&uid=ANR&sid=0
     >
     > There are actually three different brand names used. I think C-Tek
     is the 'bargain' brand, although I'm not sure. Centric is the
     premium
     OEM replacement brand, while StopTech is the high-end brand. All
     three
     seem to use the same basic design, but the Centric and StopTech
     rotors
     use better materials and feature a premium finish. Here's a link to
     the description of the Centric premium rotors:
     >
     >
     [2][19]http://www.centricparts.com/products/centric-premium-brake-ro
     tors
     >
     > And here is the description of the higher-end StopTech rotors,
     which
     are the same as the Centric rotors except with the benefit of
     optional
     features such as cryo treatment, slotting, drilling, or any
     combination
     of the three:
     >
     > [3][20]http://www.centricparts.com/products/stoptech-sport-rotors
     >
     > Best of all is the price--these high-quality rotors are much, MUCH
     less expensive than custom Wilwood rotors, or rotors that are
     intended
     for other applications (such as Porsche) that go through an
     extensive/expensive machining/klugeing process to make them suitable
     for Pantera use. For literally less than half the cost, you can just
     pull quality rotors out of a box and bolt them right up to the front
     of
     your Pantera. Happy days!
     >
     > The standard rotors are available from Summit, although their
     online
     catalog isn't smart enough to list them by application (1965-67
     Mustang). Going backwards from the Centric catalog and searching on
     the part number, these appeared:
     >
     > [4][21]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ceb-120-61053
     >
     > The rest of the offerings can be found in a similar fashion;
     here's
     an ugly link to the StopTech offerings:
     >
     >
     [5][22]https://www.summitracing.com/search/year/1965/make/ford/model
     /mustan
     g/department/brake-systems/part-type/brake-rotors?SortBy=Default&Sor
     tOr
     der=Ascending&N=4294947032%2B4294951343%2B4294951333%2B4294947838%2B
     429
     4947817%2B402150
     >
     > A word on drilled rotors--most people who run cars hard agree that
     drilled rotors are a bad idea. They were fashionable for awhile, as
     they nominally offered better cooling, but they also tend to lead to
     cracks. Race cars that used drilled rotors usually see them thrown
     in
     the trash at the end of the day. They look cool, but aren't really a
     good solution, and most race cars no longer rely on cross-drilling.
     >
     > Slotting the rotors does seem to pay big dividends with no
     penalties. The slots sweep away pad debris and water, offering
     superior stopping performance.
     >
     > Cryo treatment also pays dividends. Through some magic that isn't
     well-explained (I'm sure you can Google it and find out specifically
     why it improves rotor life), cryo treatment makes the rotors last
     longer.
     >
     > So, to my mind, the best possible option would be a cryo-treated,
     slotted rotor. The slots make the rotors 'handed' (that is, there is
     a
     left and right side rotor), while the plain rotors are designed to
     be
     run on either side. The part numbers for the slotted rotors
     including
     "L" or "R" at the end accordingly.
     >
     > If you search on the part number, you can find these rotors on
     Amazon, PartsGeek.com and other places as well. Generally the parts
     prices are lower than Summit, but Summit offers free shipping while
     the
     others charge $25 each or something like that, meaning that the best
     overall deal is probably from Summit. You can probably also order
     them
     direct from your local auto parts store, if that turns you on.
     >
     > Over 100 of you have already installed these rotors on the front
     of
     your Panteras, so you know that they fit and they work great. That
     means the rest of you can buy with confidence.
     >
     > One final word on this subject: The stock solid brake rotors work
     absolutely fine for 90% of Pantera owners, perhaps even more. If you
     have never pushed your car hard enough so that the brakes
     overheated,
     so the pedal got squishy and the pads started stinking, then you
     will
     see ABSOLUTELY NO BENEFIT from changing to these vented rotors.
     However, if you have found yourself at the bottom of a winding
     mountain
     road with a long brake pedal, or had to back off during a track day
     because the brakes started going away, this is a very simple, cheap
     way
     to at least initially address the problem.
     >
     > Granted, a full-on Godzilla Wilwood brake setup will certainly
     offer
     superior performance under extreme use. But for aggressive street
     driving or moderate track-day work, these vented front rotors, in
     conjunction with the stock rear rotors, with good Porterfield pads,
     braided stainless hoses, a master cylinder in good condition, and
     the
     stock proportining valve in good working order, will likely produce
     all
     the braking power you will ever need.
     >
     > (Note that the stock Pantera rear rotor has a larger diameter than
     the front rotor, so these rotors will NOT work in the rear. It's
     quite
     likely another Ford product has a rotor that would do the job, but
     unfortunately I don't have knowledge of that, although I do plan to
     research it someday....)
     >
     > Photos of the StopTech 126-61053CSL (slotted/cryo) rotor appear
     below.
     >
     > Cheers!
     >
     > Mike
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
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     References
     1.[24]
     https://centricparts.centriccatalog.com/Inquiry/PartInt.aspx?pn=121.
     61053&id=WEB_DISC&v=LD&y=1965&m=54&mm=688&uid=ANR&sid=0
     2.[25]
     http://www.centricparts.com/products/centric-premium-brake-rotors
     3.[26] http://www.centricparts.com/products/stoptech-sport-rotors
     4.[27] https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ceb-120-61053
     5.[28]
     https://www.summitracing.com/search/year/1965/make/ford/model/mustan
     g/department/brake-systems/part-type/brake-rotors?SortBy=Default&Sor
     tOrder=Ascending&N=4294947032%2B4294951343%2B4294951333%2B4294947838
     %2B4294947817%2B402150
     6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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     Message: 5
     Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 14:06:40 -0800
     From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
     To: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>
     Cc: B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FANTASTIC brake rotor news!
     Message-ID: <AD0D4DA0-9228-4AD7-A33E-C7F3F0F28397 at aol.com>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
     Forest,
     Uh...I included direct links to summit in my original post. They
     appear below.
     Did you order Stoptech rotors for a '65 Mustang or some other brand?
     Mike
     Sent from my iPhone
     On Feb 3, 2017, at 13:42, Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net> wrote:
     > Mike,
     > Do you have the part number of the ones you ordered from summit?
     > I ordered from the tire rack and got hub/rotor assemblies.
     > Forest
     > __________________________________________________________________
     >
     > From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     > To: B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 9:39 PM
     > Subject: [DeTomaso] FANTASTIC brake rotor news!
     >> Hi guys,
     >>
     >> Some years ago, some smart people here figured out that 1965-1967
     > Mustang front brake rotors were a perfect replacement for the
     stock
     > Pantera front rotors, with the advantage that they were vented.
     The
     > Euro GTS had vented rotors as an option, but original Euro vented
     > rotors are rare and exceptionally expensive.
     >>
     >> Stock Mustang rotors were cheap and readily available until a few
     > years ago. Then the industry changed, and instead of manufacturing
     > them like before (where the hub and the rotor were two separate
     parts,
     > as on the Pantera), they went to a one-piece casting where the hub
     was
     > cast integral with the rotor. While they were a cheap and
     reasonable
     > option for the Mustang crowd, that made them no longer suitable
     for
     > Pantera use.
     >>
     >> A few years ago, I stumbled across a Mustang vintage race prep
     shop
     > in southern California that said they had tooled up to reproduce
     > original-spec Mustang rotors, produced by a company called
     Centric.
     > Besides the normal option, they also offered them with nice
     optional
     > features, such as slotted surface, cryogenic treatment, or both. I
     > organized a group buy here, and over 100 of you ordered some. I
     filled
     > the orders, but then it wasn't possible to get any more unless I
     did
     > another volume buy.
     >>
     >> Fast-forward to 2017. Turns out Centric is the OEM arm of the
     > aftermarket company Stoptech (or perhaps Stoptech is the
     aftermarket
     > arm of the OEM supplier Centric). And it further turns out that
     these
     > discs are now readily available from multiple sources, for a fair
     bit
     > less (maybe even substantially less) than what I had to pay, and
     was
     > selling them for.
     >>
     >> I just ordered a pair of slotted, cryo-treated rotors from Summit
     for
     > a guy in Germany, and they are PERFECT. They will bolt right up to
     the
     > front end of the Pantera in place of the stock solid rotors. The
     > outside diameter is ever so slightly different (no factor), as is
     the
     > offset. However, when De Tomaso engineers designed the front end,
     > somebody forgot to carry a '1' and the caliper offset was
     incorrect
     > relative to the stock solid rotors, so a thin spacer had to be
     > introduced to space the caliper inboard. The different offset of
     these
     > Centric rotors means that band-aid spacer is removed, and the
     caliper
     > is thus perfectly centered on the rotor.
     >>
     >> Centric offers a dizzying array of options, starting with a
     plain,
     > standard OEM-style Mustang rotor, all the way to a cross-drilled,
     > slotted, cryogenically treated rotor (slotting makes them handed,
     with
     > different part number for left and right).
     >>
     >> This link takes you to the Centric catalog where all the rotors
     are
     > listed--16 in all:
     >
     [1][30]https://centricparts.centriccatalog.com/Inquiry/PartInt.aspx?
     pn=121.
     > 61053&id=WEB_DISC&v=LD&y=1965&m=54&mm=688&uid=ANR&sid=0
     >>
     >> There are actually three different brand names used. I think
     C-Tek
     > is the 'bargain' brand, although I'm not sure. Centric is the
     premium
     > OEM replacement brand, while StopTech is the high-end brand. All
     three
     > seem to use the same basic design, but the Centric and StopTech
     rotors
     > use better materials and feature a premium finish. Here's a link
     to
     > the description of the Centric premium rotors:
     >>
     >>
     [2][31]http://www.centricparts.com/products/centric-premium-brake-ro
     tors
     >>
     >> And here is the description of the higher-end StopTech rotors,
     which
     > are the same as the Centric rotors except with the benefit of
     optional
     > features such as cryo treatment, slotting, drilling, or any
     combination
     > of the three:
     >>
     >> [3][32]http://www.centricparts.com/products/stoptech-sport-rotors
     >>
     >> Best of all is the price--these high-quality rotors are much,
     MUCH
     > less expensive than custom Wilwood rotors, or rotors that are
     intended
     > for other applications (such as Porsche) that go through an
     > extensive/expensive machining/klugeing process to make them
     suitable
     > for Pantera use. For literally less than half the cost, you can
     just
     > pull quality rotors out of a box and bolt them right up to the
     front of
     > your Pantera. Happy days!
     >>
     >> The standard rotors are available from Summit, although their
     online
     > catalog isn't smart enough to list them by application (1965-67
     > Mustang). Going backwards from the Centric catalog and searching
     on
     > the part number, these appeared:
     >>
     >> [4][33]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ceb-120-61053
     >>
     >> The rest of the offerings can be found in a similar fashion;
     here's
     > an ugly link to the StopTech offerings:
     >
     [5][34]https://www.summitracing.com/search/year/1965/make/ford/model
     /mustan
     >
     g/department/brake-systems/part-type/brake-rotors?SortBy=Default&Sor
     tOr
     >
     der=Ascending&N=4294947032%2B4294951343%2B4294951333%2B4294947838%2B
     429
     > 4947817%2B402150
     >>
     >> A word on drilled rotors--most people who run cars hard agree
     that
     > drilled rotors are a bad idea. They were fashionable for awhile,
     as
     > they nominally offered better cooling, but they also tend to lead
     to
     > cracks. Race cars that used drilled rotors usually see them thrown
     in
     > the trash at the end of the day. They look cool, but aren't really
     a
     > good solution, and most race cars no longer rely on
     cross-drilling.
     >>
     >> Slotting the rotors does seem to pay big dividends with no
     > penalties. The slots sweep away pad debris and water, offering
     > superior stopping performance.
     >>
     >> Cryo treatment also pays dividends. Through some magic that isn't
     > well-explained (I'm sure you can Google it and find out
     specifically
     > why it improves rotor life), cryo treatment makes the rotors last
     > longer.
     >>
     >> So, to my mind, the best possible option would be a cryo-treated,
     > slotted rotor. The slots make the rotors 'handed' (that is, there
     is a
     > left and right side rotor), while the plain rotors are designed to
     be
     > run on either side. The part numbers for the slotted rotors
     including
     > "L" or "R" at the end accordingly.
     >>
     >> If you search on the part number, you can find these rotors on
     > Amazon, PartsGeek.com and other places as well. Generally the
     parts
     > prices are lower than Summit, but Summit offers free shipping
     while the
     > others charge $25 each or something like that, meaning that the
     best
     > overall deal is probably from Summit. You can probably also order
     them
     > direct from your local auto parts store, if that turns you on.
     >>
     >> Over 100 of you have already installed these rotors on the front
     of
     > your Panteras, so you know that they fit and they work great. That
     > means the rest of you can buy with confidence.
     >>
     >> One final word on this subject: The stock solid brake rotors work
     > absolutely fine for 90% of Pantera owners, perhaps even more. If
     you
     > have never pushed your car hard enough so that the brakes
     overheated,
     > so the pedal got squishy and the pads started stinking, then you
     will
     > see ABSOLUTELY NO BENEFIT from changing to these vented rotors.
     > However, if you have found yourself at the bottom of a winding
     mountain
     > road with a long brake pedal, or had to back off during a track
     day
     > because the brakes started going away, this is a very simple,
     cheap way
     > to at least initially address the problem.
     >>
     >> Granted, a full-on Godzilla Wilwood brake setup will certainly
     offer
     > superior performance under extreme use. But for aggressive street
     > driving or moderate track-day work, these vented front rotors, in
     > conjunction with the stock rear rotors, with good Porterfield
     pads,
     > braided stainless hoses, a master cylinder in good condition, and
     the
     > stock proportining valve in good working order, will likely
     produce all
     > the braking power you will ever need.
     >>
     >> (Note that the stock Pantera rear rotor has a larger diameter
     than
     > the front rotor, so these rotors will NOT work in the rear. It's
     quite
     > likely another Ford product has a rotor that would do the job, but
     > unfortunately I don't have knowledge of that, although I do plan
     to
     > research it someday....)
     >>
     >> Photos of the StopTech 126-61053CSL (slotted/cryo) rotor appear
     > below.
     >>
     >> Cheers!
     >>
     >> Mike
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     > 1.[36]
     https://centricparts.centriccatalog.com/Inquiry/PartInt.aspx?pn=121.
     61053&id=WEB_DISC&v=LD&y=1965&m=54&mm=688&uid=ANR&sid=0
     > 2.[37]
     http://www.centricparts.com/products/centric-premium-brake-rotors
     > 3.[38] http://www.centricparts.com/products/stoptech-sport-rotors
     > 4.[39] https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ceb-120-61053
     > 5.[40]
     https://www.summitracing.com/search/year/1965/make/ford/model/mustan
     g/department/brake-systems/part-type/brake-rotors?SortBy=Default&Sor
     tOrder=Ascending&N=4294947032%2B4294951343%2B4294951333%2B4294947838
     %2B4294947817%2B402150
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     Message: 6
     Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 23:03:40 +0000
     From: Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
     To: "P6746 at aol.com" <P6746 at aol.com>, "mbefthomas at comcast.net"
     <mbefthomas at comcast.net>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 74 Pantera on BaT
     Message-ID:
     <MWHPR13MB18080AB06904513159DA383BBA4F0 at MWHPR13MB1808.namprd13.prod.
     outlook.com>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
     I responded to wrong thread before:
     Mike, it looks similar but the BaT Pantera is #6315 and the flooded
     Pantera was #6681. Link to flood damaged car:[43]
     http://www.autobidmaster.com/carfinder-online-auto-auctions/lot/3342
     0976/COPART_1974_PANTERA_PANTERA_CERT_OF_TITLE-SALVAGE_FLOOD_BATON_R
     OUGE_LA/
     That would have been sad if it was being passed off as a
     non-salvaged car.
     Sent from Mail<[44]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
     for Windows 10
     From: P6746--- via DeTomaso<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 9:56 AM
     To: mbefthomas at comcast.net<mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net>;
     detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist
     .com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 74 Pantera on BaT
     I think this is a survivor just as it is and the current bid of
     $36500 is
     about sixty-five grand under it's true value. Bob R
     In a message dated 2/3/2017 12:17:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
     mbefthomas at comcast.net writes:
     This could be a good survivor project car.
     [45]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
     Mike Thomas
     Pres., Panteras Northwest
     Yellow '74 #6328
     This could be a good survivor project car.
     [1][46]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
     Mike Thomas
     Pres., Panteras Northwest
     Yellow '74 #6328
     References
     1.[47] http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
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     I responded to wrong thread before:
     Mike, it looks similar but the BaT Pantera is #6315 and the flooded
     Pantera was #6681. Link to flood damaged car:
     [1][49]http://www.autobidmaster.com/carfinder-online-auto-auctions/l
     ot/3342
     0976/COPART_1974_PANTERA_PANTERA_CERT_OF_TITLE-SALVAGE_FLOOD_BATON_R
     OUG
     E_LA/
     That would have been sad if it was being passed off as a
     non-salvaged
     car.
     Sent from [2]Mail for Windows 10
     From: [3]P6746--- via DeTomaso
     Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 9:56 AM
     To: [4]mbefthomas at comcast.net; [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 74 Pantera on BaT
     I think this is a survivor just as it is and the current bid of
     $36500
     is
     about sixty-five grand under it's true value. Bob R
     In a message dated 2/3/2017 12:17:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
     mbefthomas at comcast.net writes:
     This could be a good survivor project car.
     [6][50]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
     Mike Thomas
     Pres., Panteras Northwest
     Yellow '74 #6328
     This could be a good survivor project car.
     [1][51]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
     Mike Thomas
     Pres., Panteras Northwest
     Yellow '74 #6328
     References
     1. [7][52]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
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     1.[54]
     http://www.autobidmaster.com/carfinder-online-auto-auctions/lot/3342
     0976/COPART_1974_PANTERA_PANTERA_CERT_OF_TITLE-SALVAGE_FLOOD_BATON_R
     OUGE_LA/
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     6.[56] http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
     7.[57] http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-detomaso-pantera/
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     Message: 7
     Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 16:35:42 -0800
     From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
     To: "List DeTomaso Forum" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Foose Pantera ?
     Message-ID: <198045B4F2EA4C988FBC03618EB51EDA at BOSS3A>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
     Do you have photos of the 'old' car Foose made from a Pantera? I see
     it I for sale.
     Mike
     Yes, lots of photos, the car is # 2507.
     Chuck
     The De Tomaso Registry Guy
     [59]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
     -------------- next part --------------
     Do you have photos of the `old' car Foose made from a Pantera? I see
     it I for sale.
     Mike
     Yes, lots of photos, the car is # 2507.
     Chuck
     The De Tomaso Registry Guy
     [1][60]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
     References
     1.[61] http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
     ------------------------------
     Message: 8
     Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 16:50:38 -0800
     From: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
     To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>, Mike
     Drew
     <mikeldrew at aol.com>
     Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Foose Pantera ?
     Message-ID: <927C9AE9-1242-445E-BE77-D195ED61590A at yahoo.com>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
     I assume you're talking about the Diakosia Chip's father built years
     ago. Chip recently traded his Ford GT and the Diakosa for a 60s
     vintage Ferrari. I'm not surprised the Diakosa is for sale. He is
     currently building restomod 1971 Mustang for the same customer.
     > On Feb 3, 2017, at 4:35 PM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
     <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
     >
     >
     > Do you have photos of the `old' car Foose made from a Pantera? I
     see
     > it I for sale.
     >
     >
     > Mike
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     > Yes, lots of photos, the car is # 2507.
     >
     >
     > Chuck
     >
     >
     >
     > The De Tomaso Registry Guy
     >
     > [1][62]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
     >
     > References
     >
     > 1.[63] http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
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     Message: 9
     Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 17:45:59 -0800
     From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
     To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: [DeTomaso] 2017 Calendar?
     Message-ID: <000501d27e88$7038fa40$50aaeec0$@comcast.net>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
     Mikey, any chance of a 2017 Detomaso calendar? I seem to recall
     you've been
     travelling a lot.
     Mike Thomas
     Pres., Panteras Northwest
     Yellow '74 #6328
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     Message: 10
     Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 17:53:11 -0800
     From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
     To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
     Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2017 Calendar?
     Message-ID: <E9A85140-F1BE-48B0-A144-2228E10FA4FC at aol.com>
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     Mike,
     Working? Yup. I just got home and I'm already leaving for Djibouti
     tomorrow.
     I'm waiting for the plane to break down somewhere so I can have
     enough time to put It together!
     Mike
     Sent from my iPad
     > On Feb 3, 2017, at 17:45, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
     wrote:
     >
     > Mikey, any chance of a 2017 Detomaso calendar? I seem to recall
     you've been
     > travelling a lot.
     >
     > Mike Thomas
     > Pres., Panteras Northwest
     > Yellow '74 #6328
     >
     >
     >
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     Message: 11
     Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 17:57:53 -0800
     From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
     To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
     Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2017 Calendar?
     Message-ID: <000c01d27e8a$1959d530$4c0d7f90$@comcast.net>
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     Just when you need it to act like it usually does, it up and gets
     reliable
     on you ?
     Safe flight.
     Mike
     -----Original Message-----
     From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
     Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:53 PM
     To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
     Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2017 Calendar?
     Mike,
     Working? Yup. I just got home and I'm already leaving for Djibouti
     tomorrow.
     I'm waiting for the plane to break down somewhere so I can have
     enough time
     to put It together!
     Mike
     Sent from my iPad
     > On Feb 3, 2017, at 17:45, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
     wrote:
     >
     > Mikey, any chance of a 2017 Detomaso calendar? I seem to recall
     > you've been travelling a lot.
     >
     > Mike Thomas
     > Pres., Panteras Northwest
     > Yellow '74 #6328
     >
     >
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     Message: 12
     Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 21:04:24 -0500
     From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
     To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
     Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2017 Calendar?
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     That don't sound right!
     Hopeful, you mean fail a PRE flight check
     -----Original Message-----
     From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
     Behalf
     Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
     Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 20:53 PM
     To: Mike Thomas
     Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2017 Calendar?
     ...I'm waiting for the plane to break down somewhere...!
     Mike
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     Message: 13
     Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 18:29:17 -0800
     From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
     To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
     Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2017 Calendar?
     Message-ID: <B6E759C1-1243-4236-8DC1-CE582BEF1AE1 at aol.com>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
     Joe,
     It's just annoying when they break on the ground. A few days ago I
     had to sit around for eight hours while a big-time electrical fault
     was sorted out, before then flying six hours to Hawaii. All the
     planned beach time went out the window as we didn't land until
     dinner time and had to leave then next morning.
     It's much more interesting (and fun) when they break in the air.
     Lets me put my problem-solving and decision-making skills to good
     use. :)
     Mike
     Sent from my iPad
     > On Feb 3, 2017, at 18:04, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
     <byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
     >
     > That don't sound right!
     > Hopeful, you mean fail a PRE flight check
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
     On Behalf
     > Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
     > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 20:53 PM
     > To: Mike Thomas
     > Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2017 Calendar?
     >
     > ...I'm waiting for the plane to break down somewhere...!
     >
     > Mike
     >
     >
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