[DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top , ball joints trimmed 0.1 inches

[Julian Kift]

The GT40 and Cobra crowds seem to swear by the Avon CR6ZZ's, I think there is actually a few more options for narrow body cars again, not so much for the wide body 10" wide fronts, although I read recently that there is talk of remaking the Yokohama's 285's again.


Julian

________________________________
From: Stephen Nelson <steve at snclocks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:39 PM
To: 'grayjim'; 'Mike & Elizabeth Thomas'; 'Julian Kift'; 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top ,ball joints trimmed 0.1 inches

We are running the Goodrich T/A's - they work as long as you are not pushing
the car well past what it was originally designed for - at least that is my
theory.

Stephen

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From: grayjim [mailto:grayjim at cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 2:42 PM
To: Stephen Nelson <steve at snclocks.com>; 'Mike & Elizabeth Thomas'
<mbefthomas at comcast.net>; 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; 'Joseph
F. Byrd, Jr.' <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top ,ball joints
trimmed 0.1 inches

Love 15 in. rims too but what are you using for tires?
Jim Gray

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Nelson
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 9:10 AM
To: 'Mike & Elizabeth Thomas' ; 'Julian Kift' ; 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.' ;
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top ,ball joints
trimmed 0.1 inches

I'm surprised you want to go back to the stock bushings - I love the offset
poly ones.  But then, I am running 15 inch rims, so the tire sidewalls
really help in softening the impact of rough roads...  Same thing on our XKE
- gads, it is like a magic carpet, even with the poly bushings - yay for 15
inch rims!

Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:36 AM
To: 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'
<byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top , ball joints
trimmed 0.1 inches

How much work is widening the upper A arm?  I'd like to go back to stock
suspension bushings, but that would require ditching the offset poly
bushings I have upfront and loosing that additional angle.

Mike Thomas

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Julian Kift
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 8:39 PM
To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>;
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top , ball joints
trimmed 0.1 inches

Well it is pretty critical to stay with 0.1" maximum to avoid breakthrough
into the ball joint as they are all a little different. It should provide
just over 0.5 degree extra caster.


Personally I modify the a-arms, widening them at the ball joint mounting by
3/4", which then allows infinite adjustment with spacers up to about 7.5
degrees. The wide body cars like 7 degrees, 5 is good for a narrow body.


Julian


From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 8:34 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top , ball joints
trimmed 0.1 inches

(Sorry Julian)

I have not heard that was doable.  I casually looked at one and my gut
feeling was it couldn't be done.

Good to know!

How much angle would 0.1" give?


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Of Julian Kift
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 23:16 PM
To: Ken Green; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Get a group to have the front, top , ball joints
trimmed 0.1 inches

Larry Stock has a a well equipped shop and has them already milled to ship
out to you, zero setup costs!


Julian

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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Get a group to have the front, top , ball joints trimmed
0.1 inches

My understanding is that 0.1 inches can be trimmed off one side to increase
caster?  Seems like most the work would be setting up the milling machine?
Maybe find a shop to get a bunch done, and share the setup cost?
Ken

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   The GT40 and Cobra crowds seem to swear by the Avon CR6ZZ's, I think
   there is actually a few more options for narrow body cars again, not so
   much for the wide body 10" wide fronts, although I read recently that
   there is talk of remaking the Yokohama's 285's again.

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Stephen Nelson <steve at snclocks.com>
   Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:39 PM
   To: 'grayjim'; 'Mike & Elizabeth Thomas'; 'Julian Kift'; 'Joseph F.
   Byrd, Jr.'; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top ,ball
   joints trimmed 0.1 inches

   We are running the Goodrich T/A's - they work as long as you are not
   pushing
   the car well past what it was originally designed for - at least that
   is my
   theory.
   Stephen
   -----Original Message-----
   From: grayjim [[1]mailto:grayjim at cox.net]
   Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 2:42 PM
   To: Stephen Nelson <steve at snclocks.com>; 'Mike & Elizabeth Thomas'
   <mbefthomas at comcast.net>; 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com>;
   'Joseph
   F. Byrd, Jr.' <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top ,ball
   joints
   trimmed 0.1 inches
   Love 15 in. rims too but what are you using for tires?
   Jim Gray
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Stephen Nelson
   Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 9:10 AM
   To: 'Mike & Elizabeth Thomas' ; 'Julian Kift' ; 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.' ;
   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top ,ball
   joints
   trimmed 0.1 inches
   I'm surprised you want to go back to the stock bushings - I love the
   offset
   poly ones.  But then, I am running 15 inch rims, so the tire sidewalls
   really help in softening the impact of rough roads...  Same thing on
   our XKE
   - gads, it is like a magic carpet, even with the poly bushings - yay
   for 15
   inch rims!
   Stephen
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   Of Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
   Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:36 AM
   To: 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'
   <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top , ball
   joints
   trimmed 0.1 inches
   How much work is widening the upper A arm?  I'd like to go back to
   stock
   suspension bushings, but that would require ditching the offset poly
   bushings I have upfront and loosing that additional angle.
   Mike Thomas
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [[3]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   Of Julian Kift
   Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 8:39 PM
   To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>;
   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top , ball
   joints
   trimmed 0.1 inches
   Well it is pretty critical to stay with 0.1" maximum to avoid
   breakthrough
   into the ball joint as they are all a little different. It should
   provide
   just over 0.5 degree extra caster.
   Personally I modify the a-arms, widening them at the ball joint
   mounting by
   3/4", which then allows infinite adjustment with spacers up to about
   7.5
   degrees. The wide body cars like 7 degrees, 5 is good for a narrow
   body.
   Julian
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 8:34 PM
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top , ball
   joints
   trimmed 0.1 inches
   (Sorry Julian)
   I have not heard that was doable.  I casually looked at one and my gut
   feeling was it couldn't be done.
   Good to know!
   How much angle would 0.1" give?
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   Of Julian Kift
   Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 23:16 PM
   To: Ken Green; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Get a group to have the front, top , ball
   joints
   trimmed 0.1 inches
   Larry Stock has a a well equipped shop and has them already milled to
   ship
   out to you, zero setup costs!
   Julian
   ________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Ken
   Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 7:49 PM
   To: DeTomaso Mail List
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Get a group to have the front, top , ball joints
   trimmed
   0.1 inches
   My understanding is that 0.1 inches can be trimmed off one side to
   increase
   caster?  Seems like most the work would be setting up the milling
   machine?
   Maybe find a shop to get a bunch done, and share the setup cost?
   Ken
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