[DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top , ball joints trimmed 0.1 inches
Ken Green
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Thu Dec 21 18:17:15 EST 2017
I watched (trying not to gag) parts of the second show on the Kurt Bush Pantera. I noticed that the guys working for Bush talked about "sticktion" in the control arm bushings, and how bad it was because it could cause the tires to break lose in a turn. I assume they are talking about the control arm getting briefly stuck in a position, and then releasing. I'm not sure this is easy to feel? I'm not sure that this affects ride at all, just cornering?
Ken
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top , ball joints trimmed 0.1 inches
Love 15 in. rims too but what are you using for tires?
Jim Gray
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From: Stephen Nelson
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 9:10 AM
To: 'Mike & Elizabeth Thomas' ; 'Julian Kift' ; 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.' ;
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top ,ball joints
trimmed 0.1 inches
I'm surprised you want to go back to the stock bushings - I love the offset
poly ones. But then, I am running 15 inch rims, so the tire sidewalls
really help in softening the impact of rough roads... Same thing on our XKE
- gads, it is like a magic carpet, even with the poly bushings - yay for 15
inch rims!
Stephen
-----Original Message-----
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Of Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:36 AM
To: 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'
<byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top , ball joints
trimmed 0.1 inches
How much work is widening the upper A arm? I'd like to go back to stock
suspension bushings, but that would require ditching the offset poly
bushings I have upfront and loosing that additional angle.
Mike Thomas
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Julian Kift
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 8:39 PM
To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>;
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top , ball joints
trimmed 0.1 inches
Well it is pretty critical to stay with 0.1" maximum to avoid breakthrough
into the ball joint as they are all a little different. It should provide
just over 0.5 degree extra caster.
Personally I modify the a-arms, widening them at the ball joint mounting by
3/4", which then allows infinite adjustment with spacers up to about 7.5
degrees. The wide body cars like 7 degrees, 5 is good for a narrow body.
Julian
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Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 8:34 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top , ball joints
trimmed 0.1 inches
(Sorry Julian)
I have not heard that was doable. I casually looked at one and my gut
feeling was it couldn't be done.
Good to know!
How much angle would 0.1" give?
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Of Julian Kift
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 23:16 PM
To: Ken Green; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Get a group to have the front, top , ball joints
trimmed 0.1 inches
Larry Stock has a a well equipped shop and has them already milled to ship
out to you, zero setup costs!
Julian
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Get a group to have the front, top , ball joints trimmed
0.1 inches
My understanding is that 0.1 inches can be trimmed off one side to increase
caster? Seems like most the work would be setting up the milling machine?
Maybe find a shop to get a bunch done, and share the setup cost?
Ken
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I watched (trying not to gag) parts of the second show on the Kurt
Bush Pantera. I noticed that the guys working for Bush talked about
"sticktion" in the control arm bushings, and how bad it was because it
could cause the tires to break lose in a turn. I assume they are
talking about the control arm getting briefly stuck in a position, and
then releasing. I'm not sure this is easy to feel? I'm not sure that
this affects ride at all, just cornering?
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: grayjim <grayjim at cox.net>
To: Stephen Nelson <steve at snclocks.com>; 'Mike & Elizabeth Thomas'
<mbefthomas at comcast.net>; 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com>;
"'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'" <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>;
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top , ball
joints trimmed 0.1 inches
Love 15 in. rims too but what are you using for tires?
Jim Gray
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Nelson
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 9:10 AM
To: 'Mike & Elizabeth Thomas' ; 'Julian Kift' ; 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.' ;
[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top ,ball
joints
trimmed 0.1 inches
I'm surprised you want to go back to the stock bushings - I love the
offset
poly ones. But then, I am running 15 inch rims, so the tire sidewalls
really help in softening the impact of rough roads... Same thing on
our XKE
- gads, it is like a magic carpet, even with the poly bushings - yay
for 15
inch rims!
Stephen
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:36 AM
To: 'Julian Kift' <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>; 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'
<[4]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top , ball
joints
trimmed 0.1 inches
How much work is widening the upper A arm? I'd like to go back to
stock
suspension bushings, but that would require ditching the offset poly
bushings I have upfront and loosing that additional angle.
Mike Thomas
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Julian Kift
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 8:39 PM
To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[7]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>;
[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top , ball
joints
trimmed 0.1 inches
Well it is pretty critical to stay with 0.1" maximum to avoid
breakthrough
into the ball joint as they are all a little different. It should
provide
just over 0.5 degree extra caster.
Personally I modify the a-arms, widening them at the ball joint
mounting by
3/4", which then allows infinite adjustment with spacers up to about
7.5
degrees. The wide body cars like 7 degrees, 5 is good for a narrow
body.
Julian
From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of
Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[10]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 8:34 PM
To: [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Get a group to have the front, top , ball
joints
trimmed 0.1 inches
(Sorry Julian)
I have not heard that was doable. I casually looked at one and my gut
feeling was it couldn't be done.
Good to know!
How much angle would 0.1" give?
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[12]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Julian Kift
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 23:16 PM
To: Ken Green; [13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Get a group to have the front, top , ball
joints
trimmed 0.1 inches
Larry Stock has a a well equipped shop and has them already milled to
ship
out to you, zero setup costs!
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[14]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Ken
Green via DeTomaso <[15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 7:49 PM
To: DeTomaso Mail List
Subject: [DeTomaso] Get a group to have the front, top , ball joints
trimmed
0.1 inches
My understanding is that 0.1 inches can be trimmed off one side to
increase
caster? Seems like most the work would be setting up the milling
machine?
Maybe find a shop to get a bunch done, and share the setup cost?
Ken
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