[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 162, Issue 18 ZF GEAR OIL
Colin Bradshaw
colin.bradshaw2 at btinternet.com
Mon Dec 18 14:17:25 EST 2017
Re ZF Gear oil
There exists some conflicting information on ZF transaxle oil. The DT owners
manual specifies EP90 whereas the ZF manual specifies EP80. An on-line
technical tips publication from Pantera Parts Connection went some way
giving explanation of the various oil types and applications and is
worthwhile background information.
I have run Castrol EP90 for 27 years without issue, I have recently done a
change oil refilling with same. The Castrol range of oils EP80/90 in GL4 and
GL5 Derivatives are readily available on-line from www.demon-tweeks.co.uk.
I am advised by our UK ZF Transaxle specialist rebuilder alongside the use
of EP90, alternatives are Castrol hypo LS or Millers CRX LS 75/140 which
have good "clinging" capabilities to ensure the gears when not in use remain
well coated, and are just as good equally suited for the diff and synchro's.
I guess best tip is to frequently change the oil. I usually do so each year
regardless of use.
Hope this helps
Regards
Colin Bradshaw UK
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 2018 POCA Fun Rally (Effie Richards)
2. Re: Fun Rally 2018 (Himes, Terry (397C))
3. Re: Fun Rally 2018 (Ed Mendez)
4. Re: Fun Rally 2018 (Effie Richards)
5. DeTomaso Pantera USA GTS Steering Wheel unique very rare
(Mike Drew)
6. Re: 2018 POCA Fun Rally (Effie Richards)
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8. Re: 2018 POCA Fun Rally (Effie Richards)
9. NPC - ??? DMV/legal process to claim abandoned car in CA???
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10. Re: Fun Rally 2018 (Himes, Terry (397C))
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12. ZF Gear Oil (David Jenkins)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 09:20:20 -0800
From: Effie Richards <erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: "DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2018 POCA Fun Rally
Message-ID: <6EE268E3-C3E3-4CBF-AA78-8D99E377E29F at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
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Terry, I have no desire to be that close to them.
I just want them to know, some of us know the truth, and we are sharing it
with all.
Making a non democratic decision of where the rally will be is one thing;
lying about the reasons for that selection, is not acceptable.
Just say ? we selected Vegas cause that?s what we wanted to do and the hell
with the survey, that was just to appease you and make you feel your opinion
matters?.
Done!
Sent from Effie's iPad
> On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:23 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
<terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> We need to get all the liar?s in one room, and face to face. HaHa ;-))
>
> Good communication is the best bet.
> Human Nature: ?Give a lack of information, people will always assume the
worst possible situation!?
>
>
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> ??
>
>
> On 12/16/17, 9:12 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> HAHAHA. Here we go again.
>
> Jeff
> 6559
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Effie Richards <
> erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com> wrote:
>
>> All POCA board members and regular members,
>> Please read Ed?s explanation below and be aware of the fact that you
have
>> lied to us, we know it and we don?t like it.
>> Enough said.
>>
>> Sent from Effie's iPad
>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 10:52 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> By the way,
>>>
>>> I want to point something out because there are a few misconceptions
>>> out there. This is posted on the [1]www.poca.com website:
>>>
>>> =====
>>>
>>> The POCA BOD decided to go to Las Vegas because we did not have anyone
>>> that could facilitate the event in Monterey. The D'Orazios cannot
>>> attend May 16-June 3 and Josette runs the store and is in Charge of
>>> membership registration. No-One volunteered to run the event. We were
>>> ready to vote on Monterey if anyone volunteered to do so....No-One came
>>> forward. ......the alternative was Las Vegas at the Orleans / new
>>> Boutique hotel with dates that we all could attend and host. The
>>> proposal was voted on that said Las Vegas in 2018 and Monterey in 2019.
>>> We are still negotiating with two Las Vegas Hotels.....details shortly.
>>> Las Vegas will feature an event at SpeedVegas, Antique Auto Museum tour
>>> , Car Show and Banquet Dinner.
>>> Respectfully trying to get the word out.
>>> Gerry Romack
>>>
>>> =====
>>>
>>> I was asked at the banquet at the last Fun Rally if I would do Monterey
>>> again, I said yes absolutely, so I was making plans to make an even
>>> better event, only to find out that actions were being taken to go to
>>> Las Vegas despite all of my efforts to go forward with Monterey. I was
>>> elected by the POCA board to be the Fun Rally Committee and as such it
>>> was evident to me that Las Vegas would not be a viable option. Despite
>>> my disagreement with ever going back to Las Vegas plans were being made
>>> without my involvement what so ever. In addition, Monterey was being
>>> looked at by John Tomlin of PCNC without my involvement, I also found
>>> this out after the fact. It became clear that I was not wanted as the
>>> Fun Rally Committee and my opinions did not matter any longer. This is
>>> why 1 month ago I stepped down from as Fun Rally Committee Chairman.
>>>
>>> I was 100% completely ready to do another Monterey, and have always let
>>> the board know this. As a matter of fact, the POCA survey that was put
>>> out; Monterey was the number 1 choice. The excuses that the SCCA could
>>> not give us the track event in writing is hog wash, the SCCA event has
>>> been held that same weekend for the last 5 years and my contact at SCCA
>>> told me last July that it would be the same weekend in 2018. I told the
>>> board this information. Monterey kept getting put off so we lost the
>>> big ballroom at the Hyatt, but the hotel gave me an alternate that
>>> could have worked, I actually drove up to Monterey 6 weeks ago and had
>>> a look. So I was ready to go and things were stalled as Vegas was being
>>> planned.
>>>
>>> So saying that no one stepped forward or volunteered to do Monterey
>>> again if completely false.
>>>
>>> I am wondering why is it that every successful Fun Rally the people
>>> that are asked to volunteer their time to do an epic event never want
>>> to do it again, hence ask Gil Mares about Phoenix, ask Marshall Smith
>>> about San Diego. Gil actually quit POCA and SDP will never do another
>>> event.
>>>
>>> After the board vote to go back to Las Vegas on Dec. 8th, I decided to
>>> step down as Public Relations Director from the POCA board and for the
>>> sake of the DeTomaso community I was going to do Monterey again in
>>> 2018. I stepped down because it would have been seen as a conflict
>>> of interest It was not a spiteful act, it is for the further
>>> enrichment of the marque and the people that stand behind it, it is why
>>> I chose Forza DeTomaso - The Force behind the Marque.
>>>
>>> I just want to be clear about this because the above statement is
>>> really insulting.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 09:23, Ed Mendez <[2]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Julian, for those that don't know.
>>> I am having an event back in Monterey for 2018, with fun and runs,
>>> drive your Pantera at Laguna Seca, Concourse Car Show on the green,
>>> Bruce Canepa shop tour, and 17 mile drive! if you missed the event
>>> this
>>> years event you won't want to miss next years. May 30th - June 3rd,
>>> 2018. Special rates at the Hyatt of only $189 for participants look
>>> for
>>> upcoming details at [1][3]www.forzadetomaso.com. including your
>>> chance to
>>> win in our raffle to have your car featured in our 2019 Forza
>>> DeTomaso
>>> Bikini Calendar.
>>> [[4]cid:3A4AED9E-437C-414E-A311-E0C77755486D]
>>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 08:42, Julian Kift
>>> <[2][5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> I understand there will be a track event the same as last year
>>> where
>>> the SCCA are having Regional event at Laguna Seca and there will be
>>> pace laps available during lunch.
>>> Wait sorry, that's the 'other' Forza De Tomaso Rally in Monterey
>>> that
>>> has more than just "Fun" in the title.....
>>> Julian
>>> ____________________________________________________________
>> _____
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>>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 10:11 PM
>>> To: [5][8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] 2018 POCA Fun Rally
>>> Will there be a track event this year?
>>> Dan
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 19:24:15 +0000
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: "laurieferrari at aol.com" <laurieferrari at aol.com>,
"edducati at mac.com" <edducati at mac.com>, "detomaso at detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fun Rally 2018
Message-ID: <E183D7D8-3B48-4D84-AAC8-9235BF996F37 at jpl.nasa.gov>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Well, I?m sure it?s all about the kickbacks, right? I normal for the
organizers to get kickbacks for bringing
lots of people to a property or venue. And that is Ok! After all, they are
volunteer?s and should get some compensation
for all their hard work. So, my guess is (and that is all it is), that the
riff is someone(s) getting greedy. Just a
guess, and maybe I?m being cynical. HaHa ;-))
Entertaining anyway. ;-)
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
??
On 12/16/17, 10:52 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Well.... in light of all this, of which I honestly am not overly
surprised, having been on the Board... but..... I think it would be of
interest to know who actually supplied the research behind the post you
quote. Doesn't seem like Gerry would mistake facts in such a way. Kind of
leaves little doubt that there is a faction that is attempting to control
decisions with little, if any, regard to what the membership has voted upon.
All who attended know how actually beautiful the Monterey event was and how
excellent, the Hyatt Regency. Also, if, as you say, Monterey was a much
larger revenue producer for the Club, then it's even more difficult to
understand the change. It'd be of interest to know who on our Board is
getting pointers from the FBI?
I would also like to question WHY the phone number that enables members
to listen to meetings as part of the move for transparency... has an access
code listed on the POCA Website that was not valid, at last attempt.
Yours truly,
Laurie
__________________________________________________________________
The POCA BOD decided to go to Las Vegas because we did not have anyone
that could facilitate the event in Monterey. The D'Orazios cannot attend May
16-June 3 and Josette runs the store and is in Charge of membership
registration. No-One volunteered to run the event. We were ready to vote on
Monterey if anyone volunteered to do so....No-One came forward. ......the
alternative was Las Vegas at the Orleans / new Boutique hotel with dates
that we all could attend and host. The proposal was voted on that said Las
Vegas in 2018 and Monterey in 2019.
We are still negotiating with two Las Vegas Hotels.....details shortly.
Las Vegas will feature an event at SpeedVegas, Antique Auto Museum tour
, Car Show and Banquet Dinner.
Respectfully trying to get the word out.
Gerry Romack
=====
I was asked at the banquet at the last Fun Rally if I would do Monterey
again, I said yes absolutely, so I was making plans to make an even better
event, only to find out that actions were being taken to go to Las Vegas
despite all of my efforts to go forward with Monterey. I was elected by the
POCA board to be the Fun Rally Committee and as such it was evident to me
that Las Vegas would not be a viable option. Despite my disagreement with
ever going back to Las Vegas plans were being made without my involvement
what so ever. In addition, Monterey was being looked at by John Tomlin of
PCNC without my involvement, I also found this out after the fact. It became
clear that I was not wanted as the Fun Rally Committee and my opinions did
not matter any longer. This is why 1 month ago I stepped down from as Fun
Rally Committee Chairman.
I was 100% completely ready to do another Monterey, and have always let
the board know this. As a matter of fact, the POCA survey that was put out;
Monterey was the number 1 choice. The excuses that the SCCA could not give
us the track event in writing is hog wash, the SCCA event has been held that
same weekend for the last 5 years and my contact at SCCA told me last July
that it would be the same weekend in 2018. I told the board this
information. Monterey kept getting put off so we lost the big ballroom at
the Hyatt, but the hotel gave me an alternate that could have worked, I
actually drove up to Monterey 6 weeks ago and had a look. So I was ready to
go and things were stalled as Vegas was being planned.
So saying that no one stepped forward or volunteered to do Monterey
again if completely false.
I am wondering why is it that every successful Fun Rally the people that
are asked to volunteer their time to do an epic event never want to do it
again, hence ask Gil Mares about Phoenix, ask Marshall Smith about San
Diego. Gil actually quit POCA and SDP will never do another event.
After the board vote to go back to Las Vegas on Dec. 8th, I decided to
step down as Public Relations Director from the POCA board and for the sake
of the DeTomaso community I was going to do Monterey again in 2018. I
stepped down because it would have been seen as a conflict of interest It
was not a spiteful act, it is for the further enrichment of the marque and
the people that stand behind it, it is why I chose Forza DeTomaso - The
Force behind the Marque.
I just want to be clear about this because the above statement is really
insulting.
Kind regards,
Ed
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 12:11:04 -0800
From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
To: Terry Himes <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: "laurieferrari at aol.com" <laurieferrari at aol.com>,
"detomaso at detomasolist.com" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fun Rally 2018
Message-ID: <12B9518D-E891-48A0-AF42-056F1379AA7B at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
My only kick backs were smiles on all my friends faces. That?s worth a
million bucks.
Ed
> On Dec 17, 2017, at 11:24, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
wrote:
>
> Well, I?m sure it?s all about the kickbacks, right? I normal for the
organizers to get kickbacks for bringing
> lots of people to a property or venue. And that is Ok! After all, they
are volunteer?s and should get some compensation
> for all their hard work. So, my guess is (and that is all it is), that the
riff is someone(s) getting greedy. Just a
> guess, and maybe I?m being cynical. HaHa ;-))
>
> Entertaining anyway. ;-)
>
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> ??
>
>
> On 12/16/17, 10:52 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>
> Well.... in light of all this, of which I honestly am not overly
surprised, having been on the Board... but..... I think it would be of
interest to know who actually supplied the research behind the post you
quote. Doesn't seem like Gerry would mistake facts in such a way. Kind of
leaves little doubt that there is a faction that is attempting to control
decisions with little, if any, regard to what the membership has voted upon.
All who attended know how actually beautiful the Monterey event was and how
excellent, the Hyatt Regency. Also, if, as you say, Monterey was a much
larger revenue producer for the Club, then it's even more difficult to
understand the change. It'd be of interest to know who on our Board is
getting pointers from the FBI?
> I would also like to question WHY the phone number that enables members
to listen to meetings as part of the move for transparency... has an access
code listed on the POCA Website that was not valid, at last attempt.
> Yours truly,
> Laurie
> __________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> The POCA BOD decided to go to Las Vegas because we did not have anyone
that could facilitate the event in Monterey. The D'Orazios cannot attend May
16-June 3 and Josette runs the store and is in Charge of membership
registration. No-One volunteered to run the event. We were ready to vote on
Monterey if anyone volunteered to do so....No-One came forward. ......the
alternative was Las Vegas at the Orleans / new Boutique hotel with dates
that we all could attend and host. The proposal was voted on that said Las
Vegas in 2018 and Monterey in 2019.
> We are still negotiating with two Las Vegas Hotels.....details shortly.
> Las Vegas will feature an event at SpeedVegas, Antique Auto Museum tour
, Car Show and Banquet Dinner.
> Respectfully trying to get the word out.
> Gerry Romack
>
>
> =====
>
>
> I was asked at the banquet at the last Fun Rally if I would do Monterey
again, I said yes absolutely, so I was making plans to make an even better
event, only to find out that actions were being taken to go to Las Vegas
despite all of my efforts to go forward with Monterey. I was elected by the
POCA board to be the Fun Rally Committee and as such it was evident to me
that Las Vegas would not be a viable option. Despite my disagreement with
ever going back to Las Vegas plans were being made without my involvement
what so ever. In addition, Monterey was being looked at by John Tomlin of
PCNC without my involvement, I also found this out after the fact. It became
clear that I was not wanted as the Fun Rally Committee and my opinions did
not matter any longer. This is why 1 month ago I stepped down from as Fun
Rally Committee Chairman.
>
>
> I was 100% completely ready to do another Monterey, and have always let
the board know this. As a matter of fact, the POCA survey that was put out;
Monterey was the number 1 choice. The excuses that the SCCA could not give
us the track event in writing is hog wash, the SCCA event has been held that
same weekend for the last 5 years and my contact at SCCA told me last July
that it would be the same weekend in 2018. I told the board this
information. Monterey kept getting put off so we lost the big ballroom at
the Hyatt, but the hotel gave me an alternate that could have worked, I
actually drove up to Monterey 6 weeks ago and had a look. So I was ready to
go and things were stalled as Vegas was being planned.
>
>
> So saying that no one stepped forward or volunteered to do Monterey
again if completely false.
>
>
> I am wondering why is it that every successful Fun Rally the people
that are asked to volunteer their time to do an epic event never want to do
it again, hence ask Gil Mares about Phoenix, ask Marshall Smith about San
Diego. Gil actually quit POCA and SDP will never do another event.
>
>
> After the board vote to go back to Las Vegas on Dec. 8th, I decided to
step down as Public Relations Director from the POCA board and for the sake
of the DeTomaso community I was going to do Monterey again in 2018. I
stepped down because it would have been seen as a conflict of interest It
was not a spiteful act, it is for the further enrichment of the marque and
the people that stand behind it, it is why I chose Forza DeTomaso - The
Force behind the Marque.
>
>
> I just want to be clear about this because the above statement is
really insulting.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> Ed
>
>
>
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 12:46:25 -0800
From: Effie Richards <erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
To: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
Cc: "laurieferrari at aol.com" <laurieferrari at aol.com>,
"detomaso at detomasolist.com" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fun Rally 2018
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I totally agree Ed. Now if the organizer gets a free room for booking a
huge event, that is ok, it is normal in the hotel industry where I worked
for 20 years. I have no problem with what is given out as a booking bonus.
I also agree with the gratitude and enjoyment of your friends was the best
gift you could have asked for! I heard the best comments from everyone who
attended. Kudos to you!
Sent from Effie's iPad
> On Dec 17, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>
> My only kick backs were smiles on all my friends faces. That?s worth a
million bucks.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 11:24, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
wrote:
>>
>> Well, I?m sure it?s all about the kickbacks, right? I normal for the
organizers to get kickbacks for bringing
>> lots of people to a property or venue. And that is Ok! After all, they
are volunteer?s and should get some compensation
>> for all their hard work. So, my guess is (and that is all it is), that
the riff is someone(s) getting greedy. Just a
>> guess, and maybe I?m being cynical. HaHa ;-))
>>
>> Entertaining anyway. ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>>
>> Terry W. Himes
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> Dawn Spacecraft Team
>> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>> ??
>>
>>
>> On 12/16/17, 10:52 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Laurie Ferrari via
DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Well.... in light of all this, of which I honestly am not overly
surprised, having been on the Board... but..... I think it would be of
interest to know who actually supplied the research behind the post you
quote. Doesn't seem like Gerry would mistake facts in such a way. Kind of
leaves little doubt that there is a faction that is attempting to control
decisions with little, if any, regard to what the membership has voted upon.
All who attended know how actually beautiful the Monterey event was and how
excellent, the Hyatt Regency. Also, if, as you say, Monterey was a much
larger revenue producer for the Club, then it's even more difficult to
understand the change. It'd be of interest to know who on our Board is
getting pointers from the FBI?
>> I would also like to question WHY the phone number that enables members
to listen to meetings as part of the move for transparency... has an access
code listed on the POCA Website that was not valid, at last attempt.
>> Yours truly,
>> Laurie
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> The POCA BOD decided to go to Las Vegas because we did not have anyone
that could facilitate the event in Monterey. The D'Orazios cannot attend May
16-June 3 and Josette runs the store and is in Charge of membership
registration. No-One volunteered to run the event. We were ready to vote on
Monterey if anyone volunteered to do so....No-One came forward. ......the
alternative was Las Vegas at the Orleans / new Boutique hotel with dates
that we all could attend and host. The proposal was voted on that said Las
Vegas in 2018 and Monterey in 2019.
>> We are still negotiating with two Las Vegas Hotels.....details shortly.
>> Las Vegas will feature an event at SpeedVegas, Antique Auto Museum tour
, Car Show and Banquet Dinner.
>> Respectfully trying to get the word out.
>> Gerry Romack
>>
>>
>> =====
>>
>>
>> I was asked at the banquet at the last Fun Rally if I would do Monterey
again, I said yes absolutely, so I was making plans to make an even better
event, only to find out that actions were being taken to go to Las Vegas
despite all of my efforts to go forward with Monterey. I was elected by the
POCA board to be the Fun Rally Committee and as such it was evident to me
that Las Vegas would not be a viable option. Despite my disagreement with
ever going back to Las Vegas plans were being made without my involvement
what so ever. In addition, Monterey was being looked at by John Tomlin of
PCNC without my involvement, I also found this out after the fact. It became
clear that I was not wanted as the Fun Rally Committee and my opinions did
not matter any longer. This is why 1 month ago I stepped down from as Fun
Rally Committee Chairman.
>>
>>
>> I was 100% completely ready to do another Monterey, and have always let
the board know this. As a matter of fact, the POCA survey that was put out;
Monterey was the number 1 choice. The excuses that the SCCA could not give
us the track event in writing is hog wash, the SCCA event has been held that
same weekend for the last 5 years and my contact at SCCA told me last July
that it would be the same weekend in 2018. I told the board this
information. Monterey kept getting put off so we lost the big ballroom at
the Hyatt, but the hotel gave me an alternate that could have worked, I
actually drove up to Monterey 6 weeks ago and had a look. So I was ready to
go and things were stalled as Vegas was being planned.
>>
>>
>> So saying that no one stepped forward or volunteered to do Monterey
again if completely false.
>>
>>
>> I am wondering why is it that every successful Fun Rally the people
that are asked to volunteer their time to do an epic event never want to do
it again, hence ask Gil Mares about Phoenix, ask Marshall Smith about San
Diego. Gil actually quit POCA and SDP will never do another event.
>>
>>
>> After the board vote to go back to Las Vegas on Dec. 8th, I decided to
step down as Public Relations Director from the POCA board and for the sake
of the DeTomaso community I was going to do Monterey again in 2018. I
stepped down because it would have been seen as a conflict of interest It
was not a spiteful act, it is for the further enrichment of the marque and
the people that stand behind it, it is why I chose Forza DeTomaso - The
Force behind the Marque.
>>
>>
>> I just want to be clear about this because the above statement is
really insulting.
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 12:49:09 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Pantera USA GTS Steering Wheel unique
very rare
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Guys,
Larry Finch turned me onto this today.
Look at this on eBay
DeTomaso Pantera Steering Wheel unique very rare
Many people don?t know that these Ferraro wheels were ONLY used on the 150
USA-model GTS Panteras. If you own one of them and your car was
unfortunately fitted with some aftermarket wheel, here is your chance to
rectify the problem.
You will likely never see another one available, so don?t bitch about the
price!
How did it get to a steering wheel shop in Germany I wonder?
Mike
Sent from my iPad
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Guys,
Larry Finch turned me onto this today.
[s-l200.jpg]
Look at this on eBay
[1]DeTomaso Pantera Steering Wheel unique very rare
Many people don't know that these Ferraro wheels were ONLY used on the
150 USA-model GTS Panteras. If you own one of them and your car was
unfortunately fitted with some aftermarket wheel, here is your chance
to rectify the problem.
You will likely never see another one available, so don't bitch about
the price!
How did it get to a steering wheel shop in Germany I wonder?
Mike
Sent from my iPad
References
1.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fi
tm%2F382303564314
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 12:57:47 -0800
From: Effie Richards <erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
To: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2018 POCA Fun Rally
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By the way, I was out of town last year, but they still went ahead with the
event!
Are you saying I?m not important enough?
Effie
#6405 & #1309
Sent from Effie's iPad
> On Dec 15, 2017, at 4:46 PM, Effie Richards
<erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gerry, there you have the facts about Monterey and ?no one volunteered? is
a lie.
> We all know Ed Mendez was ready and willing to do the event again in
Monterey.
> I personally don?t understand what the heck is going on with our POCA
board and all the behind the scenes nastiness and secrets.
> It is an insult to our intelligence to read this explanation because we
know the facts. Maybe they lied to you too?
>
> Sent from Effie's iPad
>
>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 12:17 PM, marshall smith
<marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Gerry,
>>
>> I understand Josette not being in town would be a formidable conflict but
EVERYONE is aware that Ed had offered and would produce the event again in
2018 after he had done such a great job this year. We had a reputable survey
that wanted to go back to Monterey. This isn't POCA doublespeak is it
because a couple members on the board wanted to go back to Las Vegas and to
hell with everyone else??
>>
>> Say it ain't so Gerry!
>>
>> Marshall Smith
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Fri, 12/15/17, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2018 POCA Fun Rally
>> To: "DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Date: Friday, December 15, 2017, 10:52 AM
>>
>> By the way,
>>
>> I want to point something
>> out because there are a few misconceptions
>> out there. This is posted on the
>> [1]www.poca.com website:
>>
>>
>> =====
>>
>> The POCA BOD
>> decided to go to Las Vegas because we did not have anyone
>> that could facilitate the event in
>> Monterey. The D'Orazios cannot
>>
>> attend May 16-June 3 and Josette runs the store and is in
>> Charge of
>> membership registration.
>> No-One volunteered to run the event. We were
>> ready to vote on Monterey if anyone
>> volunteered to do so....No-One came
>>
>> forward. ......the alternative was Las Vegas at the Orleans
>> / new
>> Boutique hotel with dates that we
>> all could attend and host. The
>> proposal
>> was voted on that said Las Vegas in 2018 and Monterey in
>> 2019.
>> We are still negotiating with two
>> Las Vegas Hotels.....details shortly.
>>
>> Las Vegas will feature an event at SpeedVegas, Antique Auto
>> Museum tour
>> , Car Show and Banquet
>> Dinner.
>> Respectfully trying to get the
>> word out.
>> Gerry Romack
>>
>> =====
>>
>> I was asked at the banquet at the last Fun
>> Rally if I would do Monterey
>> again, I
>> said yes absolutely, so I was making plans to make an
>> even
>> better event, only to find out that
>> actions were being taken to go to
>> Las
>> Vegas despite all of my efforts to go forward with Monterey.
>> I was
>> elected by the POCA board to be
>> the Fun Rally Committee and as such it
>>
>> was evident to me that Las Vegas would not be a viable
>> option. Despite
>> my disagreement with
>> ever going back to Las Vegas plans were being made
>> without my involvement what so ever. In
>> addition, Monterey was being
>> looked at
>> by John Tomlin of PCNC without my involvement, I also
>> found
>> this out after the fact. It became
>> clear that I was not wanted as the
>> Fun
>> Rally Committee and my opinions did not matter any longer.
>> This is
>> why 1 month ago I stepped down
>> from as Fun Rally Committee Chairman.
>>
>> I was 100% completely ready to do another
>> Monterey, and have always let
>> the board
>> know this. As a matter of fact, the POCA survey that was
>> put
>> out; Monterey was the number 1
>> choice. The excuses that the SCCA could
>>
>> not give us the track event in writing is hog wash, the SCCA
>> event has
>> been held that same weekend
>> for the last 5 years and my contact at SCCA
>> told me last July that it would be the same
>> weekend in 2018. I told the
>> board this
>> information. Monterey kept getting put off so we lost the
>> big ballroom at the Hyatt, but the hotel
>> gave me an alternate that
>> could have
>> worked, I actually drove up to Monterey 6 weeks ago and
>> had
>> a look. So I was ready to go and
>> things were stalled as Vegas was being
>>
>> planned.
>>
>> So saying that
>> no one stepped forward or volunteered to do Monterey
>> again if completely false.
>>
>> I am wondering why is it
>> that every successful Fun Rally the people
>> that are asked to volunteer their time to
>> do an epic event never want
>> to do it
>> again, hence ask Gil Mares about Phoenix, ask Marshall
>> Smith
>> about San Diego. Gil actually quit
>> POCA and SDP will never do another
>>
>> event.
>>
>> After the board
>> vote to go back to Las Vegas on Dec. 8th, I decided to
>> step down as Public Relations Director from
>> the POCA board and for the
>> sake of the
>> DeTomaso community I was going to do Monterey again in
>> 2018. I stepped down because it would have
>> been seen as a conflict
>> of interest It
>> was not a spiteful act, it is for the further
>> enrichment of the marque and the people
>> that stand behind it, it is why
>> I chose
>> Forza DeTomaso - The Force behind the Marque.
>>
>> I just want to be clear
>> about this because the above statement is
>>
>> really insulting.
>>
>> Kind
>> regards,
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 09:23,
>> Ed Mendez <[2]edducati at mac.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you
>> Julian, for those that don't know.
>>
>> I am having an event back in Monterey for 2018, with fun
>> and runs,
>> drive your Pantera at
>> Laguna Seca, Concourse Car Show on the green,
>> Bruce Canepa shop tour, and 17 mile
>> drive! if you missed the event
>> this
>> years event you won't want to miss
>> next years. May 30th - June 3rd,
>>
>> 2018. Special rates at the Hyatt of only $189 for
>> participants look
>> for
>>
>> upcoming details at [1][3]www.forzadetomaso.com.
>> including your
>> chance to
>> win in our raffle to have your car
>> featured in our 2019 Forza
>> DeTomaso
>> Bikini Calendar.
>>
>> [[4]cid:3A4AED9E-437C-414E-A311-E0C77755486D]
>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 08:42, Julian
>> Kift
>> <[2][5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> I
>> understand there will be a track event the same as last
>> year
>> where
>> the
>> SCCA are having Regional event at Laguna Seca and there will
>> be
>> pace laps available during
>> lunch.
>> Wait sorry, that's the
>> 'other' Forza De Tomaso Rally in Monterey
>> that
>> has more
>> than just "Fun" in the title.....
>> Julian
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> _
>> From: DeTomaso
>> <[3][6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
>> on
>> behalf of
>>
>> Dan Courtney <[4][7]dan at excaliburre.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017
>> 10:11 PM
>> To: [5][8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] 2018 POCA Fun
>> Rally
>> Will there be a track event
>> this year?
>> Dan
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 13:19:51 -0800
From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Save the date! Ed?s Housewarming / Dave
Brigg?s 70th Birthday Bash and Potluck Dinner
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Can't make it, but congratulations to both of you.
Dave
On 16/12/2017 10:32 PM, Ed Mendez wrote:
> Save the date
> Ed's Housewarming / Dave Brigg's 70th Birthday Bash and Potluck Dinner
> Scheduled: Jan 6, 2018 at 15:00 to 23:00
> Location: 664 Ocean View Dr
> Vista, CA, United States
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 13:40:15 -0800
From: Effie Richards <erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
To: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2018 POCA Fun Rally
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I?m working on this Ed! Need to get George B on board as well.
I?m having major demolition work going on in my building that Saturday, in
preparation of the elevator installation. I will see if I can get someone
else to fill in for me for the second part of the day.
Anyone turning 70, it?s not to be missed!
We want to see your bachelor pad Ed, to make sure it?s what a bachelor bad
looks like!
I have seen the 3-car garage already!
Sent from Effie's iPad
> On Dec 17, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Effie Richards
<erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com> wrote:
>
> By the way, I was out of town last year, but they still went ahead with
the event!
> Are you saying I?m not important enough?
> Effie
> #6405 & #1309
>
> Sent from Effie's iPad
>
>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 4:46 PM, Effie Richards
<erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Gerry, there you have the facts about Monterey and ?no one volunteered?
is a lie.
>> We all know Ed Mendez was ready and willing to do the event again in
Monterey.
>> I personally don?t understand what the heck is going on with our POCA
board and all the behind the scenes nastiness and secrets.
>> It is an insult to our intelligence to read this explanation because we
know the facts. Maybe they lied to you too?
>>
>> Sent from Effie's iPad
>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 12:17 PM, marshall smith
<marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Gerry,
>>>
>>> I understand Josette not being in town would be a formidable conflict
but EVERYONE is aware that Ed had offered and would produce the event again
in 2018 after he had done such a great job this year. We had a reputable
survey that wanted to go back to Monterey. This isn't POCA doublespeak is it
because a couple members on the board wanted to go back to Las Vegas and to
hell with everyone else??
>>>
>>> Say it ain't so Gerry!
>>>
>>> Marshall Smith
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Fri, 12/15/17, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2018 POCA Fun Rally
>>> To: "DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Date: Friday, December 15, 2017, 10:52 AM
>>>
>>> By the way,
>>>
>>> I want to point something
>>> out because there are a few misconceptions
>>> out there. This is posted on the
>>> [1]www.poca.com website:
>>>
>>>
>>> =====
>>>
>>> The POCA BOD
>>> decided to go to Las Vegas because we did not have anyone
>>> that could facilitate the event in
>>> Monterey. The D'Orazios cannot
>>>
>>> attend May 16-June 3 and Josette runs the store and is in
>>> Charge of
>>> membership registration.
>>> No-One volunteered to run the event. We were
>>> ready to vote on Monterey if anyone
>>> volunteered to do so....No-One came
>>>
>>> forward. ......the alternative was Las Vegas at the Orleans
>>> / new
>>> Boutique hotel with dates that we
>>> all could attend and host. The
>>> proposal
>>> was voted on that said Las Vegas in 2018 and Monterey in
>>> 2019.
>>> We are still negotiating with two
>>> Las Vegas Hotels.....details shortly.
>>>
>>> Las Vegas will feature an event at SpeedVegas, Antique Auto
>>> Museum tour
>>> , Car Show and Banquet
>>> Dinner.
>>> Respectfully trying to get the
>>> word out.
>>> Gerry Romack
>>>
>>> =====
>>>
>>> I was asked at the banquet at the last Fun
>>> Rally if I would do Monterey
>>> again, I
>>> said yes absolutely, so I was making plans to make an
>>> even
>>> better event, only to find out that
>>> actions were being taken to go to
>>> Las
>>> Vegas despite all of my efforts to go forward with Monterey.
>>> I was
>>> elected by the POCA board to be
>>> the Fun Rally Committee and as such it
>>>
>>> was evident to me that Las Vegas would not be a viable
>>> option. Despite
>>> my disagreement with
>>> ever going back to Las Vegas plans were being made
>>> without my involvement what so ever. In
>>> addition, Monterey was being
>>> looked at
>>> by John Tomlin of PCNC without my involvement, I also
>>> found
>>> this out after the fact. It became
>>> clear that I was not wanted as the
>>> Fun
>>> Rally Committee and my opinions did not matter any longer.
>>> This is
>>> why 1 month ago I stepped down
>>> from as Fun Rally Committee Chairman.
>>>
>>> I was 100% completely ready to do another
>>> Monterey, and have always let
>>> the board
>>> know this. As a matter of fact, the POCA survey that was
>>> put
>>> out; Monterey was the number 1
>>> choice. The excuses that the SCCA could
>>>
>>> not give us the track event in writing is hog wash, the SCCA
>>> event has
>>> been held that same weekend
>>> for the last 5 years and my contact at SCCA
>>> told me last July that it would be the same
>>> weekend in 2018. I told the
>>> board this
>>> information. Monterey kept getting put off so we lost the
>>> big ballroom at the Hyatt, but the hotel
>>> gave me an alternate that
>>> could have
>>> worked, I actually drove up to Monterey 6 weeks ago and
>>> had
>>> a look. So I was ready to go and
>>> things were stalled as Vegas was being
>>>
>>> planned.
>>>
>>> So saying that
>>> no one stepped forward or volunteered to do Monterey
>>> again if completely false.
>>>
>>> I am wondering why is it
>>> that every successful Fun Rally the people
>>> that are asked to volunteer their time to
>>> do an epic event never want
>>> to do it
>>> again, hence ask Gil Mares about Phoenix, ask Marshall
>>> Smith
>>> about San Diego. Gil actually quit
>>> POCA and SDP will never do another
>>>
>>> event.
>>>
>>> After the board
>>> vote to go back to Las Vegas on Dec. 8th, I decided to
>>> step down as Public Relations Director from
>>> the POCA board and for the
>>> sake of the
>>> DeTomaso community I was going to do Monterey again in
>>> 2018. I stepped down because it would have
>>> been seen as a conflict
>>> of interest It
>>> was not a spiteful act, it is for the further
>>> enrichment of the marque and the people
>>> that stand behind it, it is why
>>> I chose
>>> Forza DeTomaso - The Force behind the Marque.
>>>
>>> I just want to be clear
>>> about this because the above statement is
>>>
>>> really insulting.
>>>
>>> Kind
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 09:23,
>>> Ed Mendez <[2]edducati at mac.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> Julian, for those that don't know.
>>>
>>> I am having an event back in Monterey for 2018, with fun
>>> and runs,
>>> drive your Pantera at
>>> Laguna Seca, Concourse Car Show on the green,
>>> Bruce Canepa shop tour, and 17 mile
>>> drive! if you missed the event
>>> this
>>> years event you won't want to miss
>>> next years. May 30th - June 3rd,
>>>
>>> 2018. Special rates at the Hyatt of only $189 for
>>> participants look
>>> for
>>>
>>> upcoming details at [1][3]www.forzadetomaso.com.
>>> including your
>>> chance to
>>> win in our raffle to have your car
>>> featured in our 2019 Forza
>>> DeTomaso
>>> Bikini Calendar.
>>>
>>> [[4]cid:3A4AED9E-437C-414E-A311-E0C77755486D]
>>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 08:42, Julian
>>> Kift
>>> <[2][5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> I
>>> understand there will be a track event the same as last
>>> year
>>> where
>>> the
>>> SCCA are having Regional event at Laguna Seca and there will
>>> be
>>> pace laps available during
>>> lunch.
>>> Wait sorry, that's the
>>> 'other' Forza De Tomaso Rally in Monterey
>>> that
>>> has more
>>> than just "Fun" in the title.....
>>> Julian
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> _
>>> From: DeTomaso
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>>> on
>>> behalf of
>>>
>>> Dan Courtney <[4][7]dan at excaliburre.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017
>>> 10:11 PM
>>> To: [5][8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] 2018 POCA Fun
>>> Rally
>>> Will there be a track event
>>> this year?
>>> Dan
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 13:50:45 -0800
From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - ??? DMV/legal process to claim abandoned car
in CA???
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All,
NPC but truly car-guy related.
I have stumbled across a small, waaaay out of the way vehicle storage yard
that is basically fully stocked with collectable cars (100 or so???) placed
there by hopeful ?.."I?m going to get to that soon?? owners.
Not wrecks, not rust buckets, most with all glass still intact and many
tires still holding air. These are neat, collectible cars that could find a
good home. But not if they remain sitting in that yard.
I have a car of my own there and am getting to know the owner who tells me
many of the cars have BIG unpaid bills and he can likely take title but he
has no driving intent to do so in the near future.
So, they sit safe and secure, and unknown to most. Slowing wasting away???.
I?m toying with seeing if I can work something with the yard owner where he
would allow me to to handle the collection/lien/take possession process on
some of the better, more collectible cars, at my time and expense.
Of course, prior to that action, I will have established what my purchase
price will be when the title transfers to the yard owner. ;-)
A couple of the cars do appeal to me enough to consider keeping with perhaps
just minimal restoration, but most just need someone else to bring them back
to life. I can be the middle man.
But first they have to be made available.
SO?..
I imagine the yard owner needs proof of the payments being in arrears, he
has to make good faith effort(s) to notify vehicle owner of unpaid charges -
perhaps multiple attempts over a set period of time?,
perhaps publish a legal announcement somewhere ?, file documents with
DMV?.. and who knows what else.
Does any member of this email list have knowledge of just how, here in
California, the yard owner needs to proceed to take title of a vehicle for
unpaid storage fees?
Please contact me off list with your wisdom or URL links, or call me at the
?..3497 number listed in the POCA roster.
Or post to the list so we can all learn something.
Thanks,
Larry
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 21:58:07 +0000
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
Cc: "laurieferrari at aol.com" <laurieferrari at aol.com>,
"detomaso at detomasolist.com" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fun Rally 2018
Message-ID: <CFAEC476-E530-4CD4-87E3-176B0DEAB544 at jpl.nasa.gov>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Right??? That?s it.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
??
On 12/17/17, 12:11 PM, "Ed Mendez" <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
My only kick backs were smiles on all my friends faces. That?s worth a
million bucks.
Ed
> On Dec 17, 2017, at 11:24, Himes, Terry (397C)
<terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Well, I?m sure it?s all about the kickbacks, right? I normal for the
organizers to get kickbacks for bringing
> lots of people to a property or venue. And that is Ok! After all,
they are volunteer?s and should get some compensation
> for all their hard work. So, my guess is (and that is all it is), that
the riff is someone(s) getting greedy. Just a
> guess, and maybe I?m being cynical. HaHa ;-))
>
> Entertaining anyway. ;-)
>
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> ??
>
>
> On 12/16/17, 10:52 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Laurie Ferrari via
DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>
> Well.... in light of all this, of which I honestly am not overly
surprised, having been on the Board... but..... I think it would be of
interest to know who actually supplied the research behind the post you
quote. Doesn't seem like Gerry would mistake facts in such a way. Kind of
leaves little doubt that there is a faction that is attempting to control
decisions with little, if any, regard to what the membership has voted upon.
All who attended know how actually beautiful the Monterey event was and how
excellent, the Hyatt Regency. Also, if, as you say, Monterey was a much
larger revenue producer for the Club, then it's even more difficult to
understand the change. It'd be of interest to know who on our Board is
getting pointers from the FBI?
> I would also like to question WHY the phone number that enables
members to listen to meetings as part of the move for transparency... has an
access code listed on the POCA Website that was not valid, at last attempt.
> Yours truly,
> Laurie
> __________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> The POCA BOD decided to go to Las Vegas because we did not have
anyone that could facilitate the event in Monterey. The D'Orazios cannot
attend May 16-June 3 and Josette runs the store and is in Charge of
membership registration. No-One volunteered to run the event. We were ready
to vote on Monterey if anyone volunteered to do so....No-One came forward.
......the alternative was Las Vegas at the Orleans / new Boutique hotel with
dates that we all could attend and host. The proposal was voted on that said
Las Vegas in 2018 and Monterey in 2019.
> We are still negotiating with two Las Vegas Hotels.....details
shortly.
> Las Vegas will feature an event at SpeedVegas, Antique Auto Museum
tour , Car Show and Banquet Dinner.
> Respectfully trying to get the word out.
> Gerry Romack
>
>
> =====
>
>
> I was asked at the banquet at the last Fun Rally if I would do
Monterey again, I said yes absolutely, so I was making plans to make an even
better event, only to find out that actions were being taken to go to Las
Vegas despite all of my efforts to go forward with Monterey. I was elected
by the POCA board to be the Fun Rally Committee and as such it was evident
to me that Las Vegas would not be a viable option. Despite my disagreement
with ever going back to Las Vegas plans were being made without my
involvement what so ever. In addition, Monterey was being looked at by John
Tomlin of PCNC without my involvement, I also found this out after the fact.
It became clear that I was not wanted as the Fun Rally Committee and my
opinions did not matter any longer. This is why 1 month ago I stepped down
from as Fun Rally Committee Chairman.
>
>
> I was 100% completely ready to do another Monterey, and have always
let the board know this. As a matter of fact, the POCA survey that was put
out; Monterey was the number 1 choice. The excuses that the SCCA could not
give us the track event in writing is hog wash, the SCCA event has been held
that same weekend for the last 5 years and my contact at SCCA told me last
July that it would be the same weekend in 2018. I told the board this
information. Monterey kept getting put off so we lost the big ballroom at
the Hyatt, but the hotel gave me an alternate that could have worked, I
actually drove up to Monterey 6 weeks ago and had a look. So I was ready to
go and things were stalled as Vegas was being planned.
>
>
> So saying that no one stepped forward or volunteered to do Monterey
again if completely false.
>
>
> I am wondering why is it that every successful Fun Rally the people
that are asked to volunteer their time to do an epic event never want to do
it again, hence ask Gil Mares about Phoenix, ask Marshall Smith about San
Diego. Gil actually quit POCA and SDP will never do another event.
>
>
> After the board vote to go back to Las Vegas on Dec. 8th, I decided
to step down as Public Relations Director from the POCA board and for the
sake of the DeTomaso community I was going to do Monterey again in 2018. I
stepped down because it would have been seen as a conflict of interest It
was not a spiteful act, it is for the further enrichment of the marque and
the people that stand behind it, it is why I chose Forza DeTomaso - The
Force behind the Marque.
>
>
> I just want to be clear about this because the above statement is
really insulting.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> Ed
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 21:45:57 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Instrument dimmer chrome bezel needed
Message-ID: <8F203825-84DA-4406-B26B-B974EAE495AD at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Guys,
Like the sign says....
A friend has a rheostat missing the chrome bezel. Two-pod dash cars use one
rheostat with a chrome bezel, while one pod cars use two of them, with a
black bezel on the hidden one under the dash.
I have a compete under-dash unit with black bezel, but no chrome bezel. If
you have one to offer up please let me know!
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 08:20:35 -0500
From: "David Jenkins" <djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com>
To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] ZF Gear Oil
Message-ID: <000001d37802$fd44ab40$f7ce01c0$@vanguardtrailer.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I am not sure I have the correct gear oil in my ZF. What do you guys use?
Dave
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Dave
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 10:14:25 -0500
From: "Larry-Ohio Time Corp" <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
To: "'David'" <adin at frontier.net>, <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Bad news
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David,
Your car can be fixed. BUT we can not replace a Vintage Grouchy & Dirty man
like yourself. Stay safe and healthy in the clean, fresh, but thin, mountain
air.
Friends are like Angels, You don't have to see them to know they are
there...
Your friend,
Larry (just dirty) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of David
Sent: December 15, 2017 10:05 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Bad news
Before:
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Dear Friends,
Long known as "Grouchy & Dirty", it takes some tragedy to remind me of who
my friends really are.
Suffering from low O2 (I have been told) I fell asleep driving the Pantera
home from a paint match appt. Through a fence, through the cedar forest,
downed a sign, through a cable fence (amazing I wasn't decapitated!),
through the air over a driveway and parked in a tree. What we call . . .
the Finch?
After: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljw43T0mI_8
Insurance says car is totaled, Jim D. says it can be fixed. Options: part it
out or fix or sell as a project?
Other than some pulmonary issues, that is all the news.
Be safe, STAY AWAKE, have fun.
All the best?
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 08:24:12 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: David Jenkins <djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF Gear Oil
Message-ID: <1536F9D5-2ABD-413B-AC21-729CE27F6306 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Dave,
The owners manual specifies the use of 80-weight GL-5 oil. I use
CRC/Stalube. You need to use 7 pints and I buy it in a 1-gallon (8 pint) jug
at NAPA auto parts....
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 18, 2017, at 05:20, David Jenkins <djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com>
wrote:
>
> [cid:image001.gif at 01D377D8.F1C3D220]
>
>
> I am not sure I have the correct gear oil in my ZF. What do you guys
> use?
>
>
> Dave
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