[DeTomaso] 1985 De Tomaso Pantera For Sale in Kokomo, Indiana

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Fri Dec 15 11:33:35 EST 2017 

With intermittent and such few sales it's a difficult task to value the later lower production cars and their relationship with early ones, but as they say a rising tide floats all boats.


Each car has it's own nuances that will appeal to a particular buyer, but originality seems to play an important role in appealing  to a wider mass. That suggests to me it is 'collectors and investors' that are driving prices, but unfortunately probably not actually driving their purchases and thus likely missing out on the real experience of ownership. Condition, provenance, production numbers all play a role in sales price and you really do have to pick apart each sale to get the big picture of prices e.g. Andy May's car was one of ~17 RHD, how much of a premium did that add?


Everyone remembers the high point and many owners immediately assume their car must be worth the same, even though it has been sitting in the back lot unloved for the past 20 years! At the end of the day if you can find one of these cars in the right condition that works for you, pay what you are comfortable with and please enjoy it for what it is, it seems so few late model cars even see the light of day now.


Post the sale of Andy's car Jack Sharkey (Pantera Miami) was reported (by himself) to have paid $250K for 3-4 GT5-S cars for clients, but we don't know how much he was just talking the market up. Private sales are notoriously hard to document and since that reported flurry of sales the market seems to have stalled a little. There's 2 or 3 5S cars that have sat on eBay at $215-25K for a while, one's all white (wheels, bumpers the whole kit and caboodle) the other non original. That said Pantera Miami has recently purchased the blue GT5-S out of the UK, that car needs work and the seller was holding out for GBP160K (US$215K), no idea where is sold at. But Jack posted publicly on the PI forum he's going to tart it up and make it a record breaker because it's the 2nd to last GT5-S built.


For a the later cars there's a GT5 (highly modified) and GT5-S coming up in the January auctions, which might be an indication of current perceived values on the respective day relative to the blood alcohol content of bidders.


https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1989-de-tomaso-pantera-gt5-s/


https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-312581/1985-detomaso-pantera/


Julian

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One data point that sticks out in my mind... Andy May sold his RHD 1989
GT5-S for $242K about 2 years ago, and the sale is well documented. I seem
to remember one or two more or the late model cars selling for the low
200's, but can't find a specific reference.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 5:57 AM, <gt40 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Thanks Terry.
>
> I know of quite a few places that have them for sale... ebay, etc., but
> never able to find what they actually SOLD for. Frustrating.
>
> John
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 1985 De Tomaso Pantera For Sale in Kokomo, Indiana
>
> Keeping a spreadsheet of Pantera’s for sale, beginning (or offer) prices
> and closing (sales)
> prices would be awesome to track.
>
> I would do it, but I don’t have all the places they popup for sale?
>
> Terry
>
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>    I've seen nicer GT5S's for less.... only the messenger I know!
>
>    There is also a nice red 1971 for sale via an "auction."
>
>    Does anyone know where to find actual recent, closed sale prices of
>    Panteras?
>
>    John
>
>    -----Original Message-----    From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
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>    Subject: [DeTomaso] 1985 De Tomaso Pantera For Sale in Kokomo, Indiana
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>    Stumbled upon this one today...  Just the messenger...
>    https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1040950/1985-de-tomas
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   With intermittent and such few sales it's a difficult task to value the
   later lower production cars and their relationship with early ones, but
   as they say a rising tide floats all boats.

   Each car has it's own nuances that will appeal to a particular buyer,
   but originality seems to play an important role in appealing  to
   a wider mass. That suggests to me it is 'collectors and investors' that
   are driving prices, but unfortunately probably not actually driving
   their purchases and thus likely missing out on the real experience of
   ownership. Condition, provenance, production numbers all play a role in
   sales price and you really do have to pick apart each sale to get the
   big picture of prices e.g. Andy May's car was one of ~17 RHD, how much
   of a premium did that add?

   Everyone remembers the high point and many owners immediately assume
   their car must be worth the same, even though it has been sitting in
   the back lot unloved for the past 20 years! At the end of the day if
   you can find one of these cars in the right condition that works for
   you, pay what you are comfortable with and please enjoy it for what it
   is, it seems so few late model cars even see the light of day now.

   Post the sale of Andy's car Jack Sharkey (Pantera Miami) was reported
   (by himself) to have paid $250K for 3-4 GT5-S cars for clients, but we
   don't know how much he was just talking the market up. Private sales
   are notoriously hard to document and since that reported flurry of
   sales the market seems to have stalled a little. There's 2 or 3 5S
   cars that have sat on eBay at $215-25K for a while, one's all white
   (wheels, bumpers the whole kit and caboodle) the other non
   original. That said Pantera Miami has recently purchased the blue GT5-S
   out of the UK, that car needs work and the seller was holding out for
   GBP160K (US$215K), no idea where is sold at. But Jack posted publicly
   on the PI forum he's going to tart it up and make it a record breaker
   because it's the 2nd to last GT5-S built.

   For a the later cars there's a GT5 (highly modified) and GT5-S coming
   up in the January auctions, which might be an indication of current
   perceived values on the respective day relative to the blood alcohol
   content of bidders.

   [1]https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1989-de-tomaso-pantera-gt5-s/

   [2]https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-312581/1985-detomaso-pantera/

   Julian
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   Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 10:57 PM
   To: gt40 at sbcglobal.net
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   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 1985 De Tomaso Pantera For Sale in Kokomo,
   Indiana

   One data point that sticks out in my mind... Andy May sold his RHD 1989
   GT5-S for $242K about 2 years ago, and the sale is well documented. I
   seem
   to remember one or two more or the late model cars selling for the low
   200's, but can't find a specific reference.
   On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 5:57 AM, <gt40 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
   > Thanks Terry.
   >
   > I know of quite a few places that have them for sale... ebay, etc.,
   but
   > never able to find what they actually SOLD for. Frustrating.
   >
   > John
   >
   > -----Original Message----- From: Himes, Terry (397C)
   > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 4:41 PM
   > To: gt40 at sbcglobal.net ; Garth Rodericks ; DeTomaso Mail List
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 1985 De Tomaso Pantera For Sale in Kokomo,
   Indiana
   >
   > Keeping a spreadsheet of Pantera's for sale, beginning (or offer)
   prices
   > and closing (sales)
   > prices would be awesome to track.
   >
   > I would do it, but I don't have all the places they popup for sale?
   >
   > Terry
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   >
   > Terry W. Himes
   > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   > Dawn Spacecraft Team
   > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   > Phone: (818) 393-6261
   > Cell:     (818) 653-8213
   > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   >
   >
   >
   > On 12/14/17, 4:06 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of gt40 at sbcglobal.net" <
   > detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   gt40 at sbcglobal.net>
   > wrote:
   >
   >    I've seen nicer GT5S's for less.... only the messenger I know!
   >
   >    There is also a nice red 1971 for sale via an "auction."
   >
   >    Does anyone know where to find actual recent, closed sale prices
   of
   >    Panteras?
   >
   >    John
   >
   >    -----Original Message-----    From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
   >    Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 3:25 PM
   >    To: DeTomaso Mail List
   >    Subject: [DeTomaso] 1985 De Tomaso Pantera For Sale in Kokomo,
   Indiana
   >
   >    Stumbled upon this one today...  Just the messenger...
   >    [3]https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1040950/1985-de-tomas
   [4]1985 De Tomaso Pantera for Sale | ClassicCars.com | CC-1040950
   classiccars.com
   1985 De Tomaso Pantera for sale located in Kokomo, Indiana - $275,000
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References

   1. https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1989-de-tomaso-pantera-gt5-s/
   2. https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-312581/1985-detomaso-pantera/
   3. https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1040950/1985-de-tomas
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