[DeTomaso] New Pantera?
Bill Lewis
lotus0005 at hotmail.com
Thu Dec 14 13:53:40 EST 2017
I watched a re-run, either last night or the night before (Houston area), and they all pronounced it Porsh! I was shocked! Of course, this was made back in the late 1990's - and its New York! ??? ----BILL L
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From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:33 PM
To: Bill Lewis
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
Just saw the pilot series the other night - Cramer is my favorite. Watch them all the time. Notice the Porsche trivia in the apartment - a couple RSK Spyders on the wall and a 911 on his refrigerator.
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Larry, were you a writer for the Seinfeld series?
>
> We watch a lot of the Seinfeld re-runs, and thought it would be great
> to see "re-runs" of them running through the taping of the show. I'll
> bet they had a ball, rolling on the floor laughing at each other! Uh,
> Elaine was my favorite! ---BILL L
> __________________________________________________________________
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> Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 5:38 PM
> To: cengles at cox.net; jjdetrich at gmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
>
> Dear Chuck,
> This brings up an interesting concept of slow evolutional changes, over
> years vs. a redesign of a classic that has not evolved.
> The Pantera redesigns are all from the '71 model and not the '73 or GT5
> models, interesting.
> I think the slow evolution changes are more acceptable then a massive
> redesign all at once.
> Let's look at people in this concept. The cave man was much shorter and
> hairier then modern men (like the guys I went to high school with) and
> would
> not appeal to the modern woman (other than the girls I went to high
> school
> with) today.
> Larry (slow is good) - Cleveland
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> Of cengles at cox.net
> Sent: December 13, 2017 11:47 AM
> To: jjdetrich at gmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
> Dear Jeff,
> I have been thinking about this. I agree with Tom
> Tjaarda's comment. I also would note three other notable sports cars:
> the Porsche 911, the Corvette and the Mustang. Unlike the Pantera,
> all
> of them have continued through the decades. Their styling has not
> remained unchanged, but has evolved. The evolutionary iterations of
> each have not always been better and better, i.e. the Mustang II. All
> three of them have had very successful designs that incorporated the
> fundamental characteristics of their ancestors.
> I do like the recent design although it does not the have
> perfect proportions of the Tjaarda design. It is mostly correct, in my
> opinion, and it is unlikely that we shall see a perfect design for the
> second generation Pantera.
> Aesthetically yours, Chuck Engles
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote:
>> No radiator openings? Unless the 2 front ones at the outside duct to
>> the
>> radiator. Also I'm not really a fan of the rear end - too long and
>> pointy.
>> Current design for supercars is to have the rear wheels pushed as far
>> back
>> as possible. And the lines are probably too crisp compared to current
>> cars.
>> I sort of agree with Tom T, start over and come up with a new classic
>> design.
>>
>> Just my 2-c- worth.
>>
>> Jeff
>> 6559
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Charles McCall
>> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree - I like it, and think it is a worthy continuation of the
>>> Pantera
>>> line. Very nice update of the classic lines
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Julian Kift
>>> Sent: martes, 12 de diciembre de 2017 16:30
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
>>>
>>> This is the car the Chinese should have built.....
>>>
>>>
>>> [3]https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/project-
>>> panther-new-italian-super
>>> car-lambo-base
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/project-
>>> panther-new-italian-supe
>>> rcar-lambo-base>So many design cues I think Tome would be proud of,
> I
>>> like a
>>> lot. That said it's still a Lamb(o) in a Cat skin, shame it's not
>>> going to
>>> be a modern Ford V8 power.
>>>
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
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I watched a re-run, either last night or the night before (Houston
area), and they all pronounced it Porsh! I was shocked! Of course,
this was made back in the late 1990's - and its New York! ???
----BILL L
__________________________________________________________________
From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:33 PM
To: Bill Lewis
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
Just saw the pilot series the other night - Cramer is my favorite.
Watch them all the time. Notice the Porsche trivia in the apartment - a
couple RSK Spyders on the wall and a 911 on his refrigerator.
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Larry, were you a writer for the Seinfeld series?
>
> We watch a lot of the Seinfeld re-runs, and thought it would be
great
> to see "re-runs" of them running through the taping of the show.
I'll
> bet they had a ball, rolling on the floor laughing at each other!
Uh,
> Elaine was my favorite! ---BILL L
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of
> Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 5:38 PM
> To: cengles at cox.net; jjdetrich at gmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
>
> Dear Chuck,
> This brings up an interesting concept of slow evolutional changes,
over
> years vs. a redesign of a classic that has not evolved.
> The Pantera redesigns are all from the '71 model and not the '73 or
GT5
> models, interesting.
> I think the slow evolution changes are more acceptable then a
massive
> redesign all at once.
> Let's look at people in this concept. The cave man was much shorter
and
> hairier then modern men (like the guys I went to high school with)
and
> would
> not appeal to the modern woman (other than the girls I went to high
> school
> with) today.
> Larry (slow is good) - Cleveland
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
> Behalf
> Of cengles at cox.net
> Sent: December 13, 2017 11:47 AM
> To: jjdetrich at gmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
> Dear Jeff,
> I have been thinking about this. I agree with Tom
> Tjaarda's comment. I also would note three other notable sports
cars:
> the Porsche 911, the Corvette and the Mustang. Unlike the
Pantera,
> all
> of them have continued through the decades. Their styling has not
> remained unchanged, but has evolved. The evolutionary iterations
of
> each have not always been better and better, i.e. the Mustang II.
All
> three of them have had very successful designs that incorporated
the
> fundamental characteristics of their ancestors.
> I do like the recent design although it does not the
have
> perfect proportions of the Tjaarda design. It is mostly correct,
in my
> opinion, and it is unlikely that we shall see a perfect design for
the
> second generation Pantera.
> Aesthetically yours, Chuck Engles
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote:
>> No radiator openings? Unless the 2 front ones at the outside duct to
>> the
>> radiator. Also I'm not really a fan of the rear end - too long and
>> pointy.
>> Current design for supercars is to have the rear wheels pushed as
far
>> back
>> as possible. And the lines are probably too crisp compared to
current
>> cars.
>> I sort of agree with Tom T, start over and come up with a new
classic
>> design.
>>
>> Just my 2-c- worth.
>>
>> Jeff
>> 6559
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Charles McCall
>> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree - I like it, and think it is a worthy continuation of the
>>> Pantera
>>> line. Very nice update of the classic lines
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Julian Kift
>>> Sent: martes, 12 de diciembre de 2017 16:30
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
>>>
>>> This is the car the Chinese should have built.....
>>>
>>>
>>> [3]https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/project-
>>> panther-new-italian-super
>>> car-lambo-base
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/project-
>>> panther-new-italian-supe
>>> rcar-lambo-base>So many design cues I think Tome would be proud of,
> I
>>> like a
>>> lot. That said it's still a Lamb(o) in a Cat skin, shame it's not
>>> going to
>>> be a modern Ford V8 power.
>>>
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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