[DeTomaso] New Pantera?

Jim Wallace pantera_4220 at yahoo.com
Thu Dec 14 12:53:16 EST 2017


"And you want to be my latex salesman........""Oh the humanity""I was in the pool""He wipped it out""I hate this thing and this is what I am going to do with it""Maybe the dingo ate your baby"
I could go on but some will be offended its not Pantera content.
Jim


      From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
 To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> 
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
 Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 12:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
   
Just saw the pilot series the other night - Cramer is my favorite. Watch them all the time. Notice the Porsche trivia in the apartment - a couple RSK Spyders on the wall and a 911 on his refrigerator.

> On Dec 14, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  Larry, were you a writer for the Seinfeld series?
> 
>  We watch a lot of the Seinfeld re-runs, and thought it would be great
>  to see "re-runs" of them running through the taping of the show.  I'll
>  bet they had a ball, rolling on the floor laughing at each other!  Uh,
>  Elaine was my favorite!  ---BILL L
>    __________________________________________________________________
> 
>  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>  Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
>  Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 5:38 PM
>  To: cengles at cox.net; jjdetrich at gmail.com
>  Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
> 
>  Dear Chuck,
>  This brings up an interesting concept of slow evolutional changes, over
>  years vs. a redesign of a classic that has not evolved.
>  The Pantera redesigns are all from the '71 model and not the '73 or GT5
>  models, interesting.
>  I think the slow evolution changes are more acceptable then a massive
>  redesign all at once.
>  Let's look at people in this concept. The cave man was much shorter and
>  hairier then modern men (like the guys I went to high school with) and
>  would
>  not appeal to the modern woman (other than the girls I went to high
>  school
>  with) today.
>  Larry (slow is good) - Cleveland
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>  Behalf
>  Of cengles at cox.net
>  Sent: December 13, 2017 11:47 AM
>  To: jjdetrich at gmail.com
>  Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
>  Dear Jeff,
>              I have been thinking about this.  I agree with Tom
>  Tjaarda's comment.  I also would note three other notable sports cars:
>  the Porsche 911, the Corvette and the Mustang.  Unlike the Pantera,
>  all
>  of them have continued through the decades.  Their styling has not
>  remained unchanged, but has evolved.  The evolutionary iterations of
>  each have not always been better and better, i.e. the Mustang II.  All
>  three of them have had very successful designs that incorporated the
>  fundamental characteristics of their ancestors.
>              I do like the recent design although it does not the have
>  perfect proportions of the Tjaarda design.  It is mostly correct, in my
>  opinion, and it is unlikely that we shall see a perfect design for the
>  second generation Pantera.
>                        Aesthetically yours,  Chuck Engles
>  On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote:
>> No radiator openings? Unless the 2 front ones at the outside duct to
>> the
>> radiator. Also I'm not really a fan of the rear end - too long and
>> pointy.
>> Current design for supercars is to have the rear wheels pushed as far
>> back
>> as possible. And the lines are probably too crisp compared to current
>> cars.
>> I sort of agree with Tom T, start over and come up with a new classic
>> design.
>> 
>> Just my 2-c- worth.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 6559
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Charles McCall
>> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree - I like it, and think it is a worthy continuation of the
>>> Pantera
>>> line. Very nice update of the classic lines
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>  On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Julian Kift
>>> Sent: martes, 12 de diciembre de 2017 16:30
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
>>> 
>>> This is the car the Chinese should have built.....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [3]https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/project-
>>> panther-new-italian-super
>>> car-lambo-base
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/project-
>>> panther-new-italian-supe
>>> rcar-lambo-base>So many design cues I think Tome would be proud of,
>  I
>>> like a
>>> lot. That said it's still a Lamb(o) in a Cat skin, shame it's not
>>> going to
>>> be a modern Ford V8 power.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Julian
>>> 
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   "And you want to be my latex salesman........"
   "Oh the humanity"
   "I was in the pool"
   "He wipped it out"
   "I hate this thing and this is what I am going to do with it"
   "Maybe the dingo ate your baby"
   I could go on but some will be offended its not Pantera content.
   Jim
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
   To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
   Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 12:34 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
   Just saw the pilot series the other night - Cramer is my favorite.
   Watch them all the time. Notice the Porsche trivia in the apartment - a
   couple RSK Spyders on the wall and a 911 on his refrigerator.
   > On Dec 14, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Bill Lewis <[1]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >  Larry, were you a writer for the Seinfeld series?
   >
   >  We watch a lot of the Seinfeld re-runs, and thought it would be
   great
   >  to see "re-runs" of them running through the taping of the show.
   I'll
   >  bet they had a ball, rolling on the floor laughing at each other!
   Uh,
   >  Elaine was my favorite!  ---BILL L
   >    __________________________________________________________________
   >
   >  From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
   >  Larry-Ohio Time Corp <[3]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
   >  Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 5:38 PM
   >  To: [4]cengles at cox.net; [5]jjdetrich at gmail.com
   >  Cc: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
   >
   >  Dear Chuck,
   >  This brings up an interesting concept of slow evolutional changes,
   over
   >  years vs. a redesign of a classic that has not evolved.
   >  The Pantera redesigns are all from the '71 model and not the '73 or
   GT5
   >  models, interesting.
   >  I think the slow evolution changes are more acceptable then a
   massive
   >  redesign all at once.
   >  Let's look at people in this concept. The cave man was much shorter
   and
   >  hairier then modern men (like the guys I went to high school with)
   and
   >  would
   >  not appeal to the modern woman (other than the girls I went to high
   >  school
   >  with) today.
   >  Larry (slow is good) - Cleveland
   >  -----Original Message-----
   >  From: DeTomaso
   [[1]mailto:[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   >  Behalf
   >  Of [8]cengles at cox.net
   >  Sent: December 13, 2017 11:47 AM
   >  To: [9]jjdetrich at gmail.com
   >  Cc: [10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
   >  Dear Jeff,
   >              I have been thinking about this.  I agree with Tom
   >  Tjaarda's comment.  I also would note three other notable sports
   cars:
   >  the Porsche 911, the Corvette and the Mustang.  Unlike the Pantera,
   >  all
   >  of them have continued through the decades.  Their styling has not
   >  remained unchanged, but has evolved.  The evolutionary iterations of
   >  each have not always been better and better, i.e. the Mustang II.
   All
   >  three of them have had very successful designs that incorporated the
   >  fundamental characteristics of their ancestors.
   >              I do like the recent design although it does not the
   have
   >  perfect proportions of the Tjaarda design.  It is mostly correct, in
   my
   >  opinion, and it is unlikely that we shall see a perfect design for
   the
   >  second generation Pantera.
   >                        Aesthetically yours,  Chuck Engles
   >  On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote:
   >> No radiator openings? Unless the 2 front ones at the outside duct to
   >> the
   >> radiator. Also I'm not really a fan of the rear end - too long and
   >> pointy.
   >> Current design for supercars is to have the rear wheels pushed as
   far
   >> back
   >> as possible. And the lines are probably too crisp compared to
   current
   >> cars.
   >> I sort of agree with Tom T, start over and come up with a new
   classic
   >> design.
   >>
   >> Just my 2-c- worth.
   >>
   >> Jeff
   >> 6559
   >>
   >> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Charles McCall
   >> <[11]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   >> wrote:
   >>
   >>> I agree - I like it, and think it is a worthy continuation of the
   >>> Pantera
   >>> line. Very nice update of the classic lines
   >>>
   >>> -----Original Message-----
   >>> From: DeTomaso
   [[2]mailto:[12]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   >  On
   >>> Behalf
   >>> Of Julian Kift
   >>> Sent: martes, 12 de diciembre de 2017 16:30
   >>> To: [13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
   >>>
   >>> This is the car the Chinese should have built.....
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> [3][14]https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/project-
   >>> panther-new-italian-super
   >>> car-lambo-base
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> <[15]https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/project-
   >>> panther-new-italian-supe
   >>> rcar-lambo-base>So many design cues I think Tome would be proud of,
   >  I
   >>> like a
   >>> lot. That said it's still a Lamb(o) in a Cat skin, shame it's not
   >>> going to
   >>> be a modern Ford V8 power.
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> Julian
   >>>
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