[DeTomaso] New Pantera?
Bill Lewis
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Thu Dec 14 12:10:18 EST 2017
Larry, were you a writer for the Seinfeld series?
We watch a lot of the Seinfeld re-runs, and thought it would be great to see "re-runs" of them running through the taping of the show. I'll bet they had a ball, rolling on the floor laughing at each other! Uh, Elaine was my favorite! ---BILL L
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 5:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
Dear Chuck,
This brings up an interesting concept of slow evolutional changes, over
years vs. a redesign of a classic that has not evolved.
The Pantera redesigns are all from the '71 model and not the '73 or GT5
models, interesting.
I think the slow evolution changes are more acceptable then a massive
redesign all at once.
Let's look at people in this concept. The cave man was much shorter and
hairier then modern men (like the guys I went to high school with) and would
not appeal to the modern woman (other than the girls I went to high school
with) today.
Larry (slow is good) - Cleveland
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of cengles at cox.net
Sent: December 13, 2017 11:47 AM
To: jjdetrich at gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
Dear Jeff,
I have been thinking about this. I agree with Tom
Tjaarda's comment. I also would note three other notable sports cars:
the Porsche 911, the Corvette and the Mustang. Unlike the Pantera, all
of them have continued through the decades. Their styling has not
remained unchanged, but has evolved. The evolutionary iterations of
each have not always been better and better, i.e. the Mustang II. All
three of them have had very successful designs that incorporated the
fundamental characteristics of their ancestors.
I do like the recent design although it does not the have
perfect proportions of the Tjaarda design. It is mostly correct, in my
opinion, and it is unlikely that we shall see a perfect design for the
second generation Pantera.
Aesthetically yours, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote:
> No radiator openings? Unless the 2 front ones at the outside duct to
> the
> radiator. Also I'm not really a fan of the rear end - too long and
> pointy.
> Current design for supercars is to have the rear wheels pushed as far
> back
> as possible. And the lines are probably too crisp compared to current
> cars.
> I sort of agree with Tom T, start over and come up with a new classic
> design.
>
> Just my 2¢ worth.
>
> Jeff
> 6559
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Charles McCall
> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree - I like it, and think it is a worthy continuation of the
>> Pantera
>> line. Very nice update of the classic lines
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Julian Kift
>> Sent: martes, 12 de diciembre de 2017 16:30
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
>>
>> This is the car the Chinese should have built.....
>>
>>
>> https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/project-
>> panther-new-italian-super
>> car-lambo-base
>>
>>
>> <https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/project-
>> panther-new-italian-supe
>> rcar-lambo-base>So many design cues I think Tome would be proud of, I
>> like a
>> lot. That said it's still a Lamb(o) in a Cat skin, shame it's not
>> going to
>> be a modern Ford V8 power.
>>
>>
>> Julian
>>
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Larry, were you a writer for the Seinfeld series?
We watch a lot of the Seinfeld re-runs, and thought it would be great
to see "re-runs" of them running through the taping of the show. I'll
bet they had a ball, rolling on the floor laughing at each other! Uh,
Elaine was my favorite! ---BILL L
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 5:38 PM
To: cengles at cox.net; jjdetrich at gmail.com
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
Dear Chuck,
This brings up an interesting concept of slow evolutional changes, over
years vs. a redesign of a classic that has not evolved.
The Pantera redesigns are all from the '71 model and not the '73 or GT5
models, interesting.
I think the slow evolution changes are more acceptable then a massive
redesign all at once.
Let's look at people in this concept. The cave man was much shorter and
hairier then modern men (like the guys I went to high school with) and
would
not appeal to the modern woman (other than the girls I went to high
school
with) today.
Larry (slow is good) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of cengles at cox.net
Sent: December 13, 2017 11:47 AM
To: jjdetrich at gmail.com
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
Dear Jeff,
I have been thinking about this. I agree with Tom
Tjaarda's comment. I also would note three other notable sports cars:
the Porsche 911, the Corvette and the Mustang. Unlike the Pantera,
all
of them have continued through the decades. Their styling has not
remained unchanged, but has evolved. The evolutionary iterations of
each have not always been better and better, i.e. the Mustang II. All
three of them have had very successful designs that incorporated the
fundamental characteristics of their ancestors.
I do like the recent design although it does not the have
perfect proportions of the Tjaarda design. It is mostly correct, in my
opinion, and it is unlikely that we shall see a perfect design for the
second generation Pantera.
Aesthetically yours, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote:
> No radiator openings? Unless the 2 front ones at the outside duct to
> the
> radiator. Also I'm not really a fan of the rear end - too long and
> pointy.
> Current design for supercars is to have the rear wheels pushed as far
> back
> as possible. And the lines are probably too crisp compared to current
> cars.
> I sort of agree with Tom T, start over and come up with a new classic
> design.
>
> Just my 2-c- worth.
>
> Jeff
> 6559
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Charles McCall
> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree - I like it, and think it is a worthy continuation of the
>> Pantera
>> line. Very nice update of the classic lines
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
>> Behalf
>> Of Julian Kift
>> Sent: martes, 12 de diciembre de 2017 16:30
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?
>>
>> This is the car the Chinese should have built.....
>>
>>
>> [3]https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/project-
>> panther-new-italian-super
>> car-lambo-base
>>
>>
>> <https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/project-
>> panther-new-italian-supe
>> rcar-lambo-base>So many design cues I think Tome would be proud of,
I
>> like a
>> lot. That said it's still a Lamb(o) in a Cat skin, shame it's not
>> going to
>> be a modern Ford V8 power.
>>
>>
>> Julian
>>
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