[DeTomaso] New Pantera?

Wed Dec 13 13:19:29 EST 2017

    Well said Chuck!

   Best regards,
          Leslie A. Gray

On Dec 13, 2017, at 8:47 AM, "cengles at cox.net<mailto:cengles at cox.net>" <cengles at cox.net<mailto:cengles at cox.net>> wrote:

Dear Jeff,

          I have been thinking about this.   I agree with Tom Tjaarda's comment.   I also would note three other notable sports cars: the Porsche 911, the Corvette and the Mustang.   Unlike the Pantera, all of them have continued through the decades.  Their styling has not remained unchanged, but has evolved.  The evolutionary iterations of each have not always been better and better, i.e. the Mustang II.   All three of them have had very successful designs that incorporated the fundamental characteristics of their ancestors.

          I do like the recent design although it does not the have perfect proportions of the Tjaarda design.  It is mostly correct, in my opinion, and it is unlikely that we shall see a perfect design for the second generation Pantera.

                    Aesthetically yours,  Chuck Engles

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote:

No radiator openings? Unless the 2 front ones at the outside duct to the
radiator. Also I'm not really a fan of the rear end - too long and pointy.
Current design for supercars is to have the rear wheels pushed as far back
as possible. And the lines are probably too crisp compared to current cars.
I sort of agree with Tom T, start over and come up with a new classic
design.

Just my 2¢ worth.

Jeff
6559

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com<mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com>>
wrote:

I agree - I like it, and think it is a worthy continuation of the Pantera
line. Very nice update of the classic lines

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Subject: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?

This is the car the Chinese should have built.....

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rcar-lambo-base>So many design cues I think Tome would be proud of, I
like a
lot. That said it's still a Lamb(o) in a Cat skin, shame it's not going to
be a modern Ford V8 power.

Julian

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       Well said Chuck!

      Best regards,
             Leslie A. Gray
   On Dec 13, 2017, at 8:47 AM, "[1]cengles at cox.net" <[2]cengles at cox.net>
   wrote:

   Dear Jeff,
             I have been thinking about this.   I agree with Tom Tjaarda's
   comment.   I also would note three other notable sports cars: the
   Porsche 911, the Corvette and the Mustang.   Unlike the Pantera, all of
   them have continued through the decades.  Their styling has not
   remained unchanged, but has evolved.  The evolutionary iterations of
   each have not always been better and better, i.e. the Mustang II.   All
   three of them have had very successful designs that incorporated the
   fundamental characteristics of their ancestors.
             I do like the recent design although it does not the have
   perfect proportions of the Tjaarda design.  It is mostly correct, in my
   opinion, and it is unlikely that we shall see a perfect design for the
   second generation Pantera.
                       Aesthetically yours,  Chuck Engles
   On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote:

     No radiator openings? Unless the 2 front ones at the outside duct to
     the

     radiator. Also I'm not really a fan of the rear end - too long and
     pointy.

     Current design for supercars is to have the rear wheels pushed as
     far back

     as possible. And the lines are probably too crisp compared to
     current cars.

     I sort of agree with Tom T, start over and come up with a new
     classic

     design.

     Just my 2-c- worth.

     Jeff

     6559

     On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Charles McCall
     <[3]charlesmccall at gmail.com>

     wrote:

     I agree - I like it, and think it is a worthy continuation of the
     Pantera

     line. Very nice update of the classic lines

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     Subject: [DeTomaso] New Pantera?

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     rcar-lambo-base>So many design cues I think Tome would be proud of,
     I

     like a

     lot. That said it's still a Lamb(o) in a Cat skin, shame it's not
     going to

     be a modern Ford V8 power.

     Julian

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