[DeTomaso] Kurt Busch Pantera-- wow!
Julian Kift
julian_kift at hotmail.com
Sat Dec 2 11:55:58 EST 2017
Chuck,
I think you hit it; I happened to automatically switch to Velocity Channel last night as the TV had inadvertently been left on Ch2 (local News) and a show called MacGyver was on. That was immediately seen as an insult to an intelligent human being and just had to go before my well enjoyed Mexican Dinner ended up back in front of me. I think the Mexican we go to goes down well due to the appetizer we always order, a pitcher of Margarita's, but assuming any link between that and my vocal distaste of MacGuyver would be pure conjecture. It would necessitate embarking on a series of tests involving Margarita pitchers and watching a selection of TV shows to prove any statistical validity.
Anyway to cut a long story shorter, Velocity Channel had a show called Toymakerz, yes spelled like that, so you just know there's a hick element to it right off the bat, but credit where it's due at least they kinda set you up and warned you! The show was modifying a Mustang GT (somewhere around an 05-06 model year) to make a 'tuner' car, which consisted of a cold air intake and nitrous and ecu remapping along with a go fast half wrap.
They proceeded to install the K&N sponsored cold air intake and then the nitrous, but to do so had to remove the cold air intake... presumably so we could get another look at the K&N logo! Next comes the wheels and we get a whole 3 minutes of how remarkably beautiful the wheels are with the wheel vendor in on the act. Then off to commercial break, but wait it's the same guy he 's having a CNC lathe delivered and the vendor is singing the praises of all the parts they will now be able to fabricate, oh wait it's not a real commercial break that comes next! Actually the whole show felt like an extended commercial and out of it we got a wrapped 06 Mustang that he proceeds to burn a set of rear tires out on. At least MacGuyver would have escaped a certain death by using the paper clip in his pocket and button from his shirt.
I'm off to watch one of those Saturday morning infomercials now, where they proceed to sell you a new vacuum over 2 hours and don't give you the call in number and price until 1 hr 58 minutes and then tell you that you have to call in the next 10 minutes to get the deal. It's probably more entertaining with a lot more anticipation at the end!
Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Kurt Busch Pantera-- wow!
Dear Audio,
You make very good points. Regarding the Fast'n'Loud
producers permitting the DeTomaso Pantera to be called a "Ford Pantera"
on the show, an answer might be that the Ford Motor Company may have
wanterd it that way. I assume that they were major sponsor of that
segment. I might suspect that their PR Marketing people wanted to
maximize the Ford brand placement as much as possible......
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 11:55 PM, audionut at hushmail.com wrote:
> _But when a reality TV show does it, somehow it¹s okay._
>
> Ah, but didn't we slam the monkeys when they built that eco-boost dud?
> (interesting idea, tragic result) Like 'em or not, mods are a big
> part of the Pantera interest-- very few cars are unmodified and the
> vast majority of modified cars (as far as I can tell) are lovingly and
> tastefully done. But there are bad ones out there that just need a
> good spanking. The Pantera is a wickedly beautiful machine as-is so
> it's no surprise that many of us feel it's a damn shame when somebody
> with way too much money and not near enough good aesthetic flair gets
> a hold of one and casually uses it as an experiment in amateur auto
> design. One of joys of this list is hearing all you guys rip apart
> the turkeys we come across. The Kurt Busch Pantera was purpose-built
> as a racer (one of the most
> sincere expressions of car love) and the Gas Monkeys did a damn fine
> job. I can't see anything truly offensive about it-- looks great,
> Ford motor, goes fast, built to last, what's not to like? Somebody is
> going to have a blast racing that thing for many many years to come. I
> only wish it were me (or any one of us). If the Pantera were my
> creation, I'd be proud and delighted that a modern NASCAR race driver
> loved the car enough to convert one and race it. But refusing to use
> the deTomaso name on the show, repeatedly referring to it as a "Ford
> Pantera", well, that is just beyond lame and spits in the eye of A.
> deTomaso and all the Italian craftsmen who hand-built these cars. You
> can bet FnL is catching heat for that. Perhaps the producers feel
> they have to dumb-down the car a bit so they don't confuse their
> hillbilly audience. Heck, I guess we all know that TV is commercially
> driven which means it has always (mostly) sucked and always will.
> (Bring back Ed on Wheeler Dealers!) Oh well, so it goes with the
> Pantera.....we were just starting to get a little respect out there
> and this TV show for shit-kickers comes along and calls it a Ford. yee
> haw! Ferrari and Porsche guys don't have to deal with this kind
> of crap....
> Sent using Hushmail
> On November 30, 2017 at 8:18 PM, "Will Kooiman" wrote:What I find
> humorous is that Pantera owners get slammed all the time for
> modifying their cars from stock - wings, weird bodywork, etc. - you
> know
> what I mean.
>
> But when a reality TV show does it, somehow it¹s okay.
>
> This could have been soooo cool. I didn¹t even watch it, though,
> because
> the trash they do in the ass monkey garage isn¹t even entertainment
> anymore to me.
>
> On 11/29/17, 7:07 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of B Hower via DeTomaso"
> wrote:
>
>> That is a sad sad thing....
>> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
> not be
>> ! )
>> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017, 2:42:21 PM CST, The DeTomaso
> Registry
>> Guy wrote:
>> Sorry Terry,
>> I didn't post a warning, did you up-chuck your breakfast ?
>> Chuck
>> Ouuuch!! Awww Man! ;-(
>> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>>
>> On the Registry cover page today is the Pantera Kurt Busch
>>> should< have stared with as a base for their project:
>>
>>
>> [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>>
>> Did anyone determine the VIN of the Busch car ? It would be
> nice
>> to see
>> what they stared with. Did it recently (last 2 years) sell at
>> auction ?
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
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Chuck,
I think you hit it; I happened to automatically switch to Velocity
Channel last night as the TV had inadvertently been left on Ch2 (local
News) and a show called MacGyver was on. That was immediately seen as
an insult to an intelligent human being and just had to go before my
well enjoyed Mexican Dinner ended up back in front of me. I think the
Mexican we go to goes down well due to the appetizer we always order, a
pitcher of Margarita's, but assuming any link between that and my vocal
distaste of MacGuyver would be pure conjecture. It would necessitate
embarking on a series of tests involving Margarita pitchers and
watching a selection of TV shows to prove any statistical validity.
Anyway to cut a long story shorter, Velocity Channel had a show called
Toymakerz, yes spelled like that, so you just know there's a hick
element to it right off the bat, but credit where it's due at least
they kinda set you up and warned you! The show was modifying a Mustang
GT (somewhere around an 05-06 model year) to make a 'tuner' car, which
consisted of a cold air intake and nitrous and ecu remapping along with
a go fast half wrap.
They proceeded to install the K&N sponsored cold air intake and then
the nitrous, but to do so had to remove the cold air intake...
presumably so we could get another look at the K&N logo! Next comes the
wheels and we get a whole 3 minutes of how remarkably beautiful the
wheels are with the wheel vendor in on the act. Then off to commercial
break, but wait it's the same guy he 's having a CNC lathe delivered
and the vendor is singing the praises of all the parts they will now be
able to fabricate, oh wait it's not a real commercial break that comes
next! Actually the whole show felt like an extended commercial and out
of it we got a wrapped 06 Mustang that he proceeds to burn a set of
rear tires out on. At least MacGuyver would have escaped a certain
death by using the paper clip in his pocket and button from his shirt.
I'm off to watch one of those Saturday morning infomercials now, where
they proceed to sell you a new vacuum over 2 hours and don't give you
the call in number and price until 1 hr 58 minutes and then tell you
that you have to call in the next 10 minutes to get the deal. It's
probably more entertaining with a lot more anticipation at the end!
Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Kurt Busch Pantera-- wow!
Dear Audio,
You make very good points. Regarding the Fast'n'Loud
producers permitting the DeTomaso Pantera to be called a "Ford Pantera"
on the show, an answer might be that the Ford Motor Company may have
wanterd it that way. I assume that they were major sponsor of that
segment. I might suspect that their PR Marketing people wanted to
maximize the Ford brand placement as much as possible......
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 11:55 PM, audionut at hushmail.com wrote:
> _But when a reality TV show does it, somehow it^1s okay._
>
> Ah, but didn't we slam the monkeys when they built that eco-boost
dud?
> (interesting idea, tragic result) Like 'em or not, mods are a big
> part of the Pantera interest-- very few cars are unmodified and the
> vast majority of modified cars (as far as I can tell) are lovingly
and
> tastefully done. But there are bad ones out there that just need a
> good spanking. The Pantera is a wickedly beautiful machine as-is so
> it's no surprise that many of us feel it's a damn shame when somebody
> with way too much money and not near enough good aesthetic flair gets
> a hold of one and casually uses it as an experiment in amateur auto
> design. One of joys of this list is hearing all you guys rip apart
> the turkeys we come across. The Kurt Busch Pantera was purpose-built
> as a racer (one of the most
> sincere expressions of car love) and the Gas Monkeys did a damn fine
> job. I can't see anything truly offensive about it-- looks great,
> Ford motor, goes fast, built to last, what's not to like? Somebody
is
> going to have a blast racing that thing for many many years to come.
I
> only wish it were me (or any one of us). If the Pantera were my
> creation, I'd be proud and delighted that a modern NASCAR race driver
> loved the car enough to convert one and race it. But refusing to use
> the deTomaso name on the show, repeatedly referring to it as a "Ford
> Pantera", well, that is just beyond lame and spits in the eye of A.
> deTomaso and all the Italian craftsmen who hand-built these cars.
You
> can bet FnL is catching heat for that. Perhaps the producers feel
> they have to dumb-down the car a bit so they don't confuse their
> hillbilly audience. Heck, I guess we all know that TV is
commercially
> driven which means it has always (mostly) sucked and always will.
> (Bring back Ed on Wheeler Dealers!) Oh well, so it goes with the
> Pantera.....we were just starting to get a little respect out there
> and this TV show for shit-kickers comes along and calls it a Ford.
yee
> haw! Ferrari and Porsche guys don't have to deal with this kind
> of crap....
> Sent using Hushmail
> On November 30, 2017 at 8:18 PM, "Will Kooiman" wrote:What I find
> humorous is that Pantera owners get slammed all the time for
> modifying their cars from stock - wings, weird bodywork, etc. - you
> know
> what I mean.
>
> But when a reality TV show does it, somehow it^1s okay.
>
> This could have been soooo cool. I didn^1t even watch it, though,
> because
> the trash they do in the ass monkey garage isn^1t even entertainment
> anymore to me.
>
> On 11/29/17, 7:07 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of B Hower via DeTomaso"
> wrote:
>
>> That is a sad sad thing....
>> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
> not be
>> ! )
>> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017, 2:42:21 PM CST, The DeTomaso
> Registry
>> Guy wrote:
>> Sorry Terry,
>> I didn't post a warning, did you up-chuck your breakfast ?
>> Chuck
>> Ouuuch!! Awww Man! ;-(
>> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>>
>> On the Registry cover page today is the Pantera Kurt Busch
>>> should< have stared with as a base for their project:
>>
>>
>> [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>>
>> Did anyone determine the VIN of the Busch car ? It would be
> nice
>> to see
>> what they stared with. Did it recently (last 2 years) sell at
>> auction ?
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
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