[DeTomaso] What I use for high dollar purchases

Tue Aug 8 13:56:25 EDT 2017

Good Morning,

Let's face it not everyone wants to walk up to someone carrying that amount of cash. Even in AZ with a concealed carry permit. The ONLY way I have sold higher dollar items (classic cars and pinballs)  is with the use of wire transfers. Wire transfers are NOT bi-directional. The money ONLY comes in and there are NO facilities to get it back once the transaction initiated. Along with restoring cars I restore pinball machines and some special arcade games. I have never had any issues with using wire transfers. To regular individuals they are very inexpensive. I work for Wells Fargo so there is no cost to me. I had an interesting guy from Canada who bought a higher end Addams Family pinball machine that I restored. This loser had a scam that backfired on himself. I sent detailed pictures and offered to facetime so he could examine the game which was in incredible shape as well as pimped out with all of the toys available for the game. We negotiated and agreed on a price including shipping. He wired the money as I requested. The game was special because I bought it from a bar that closed and the family locked the doors 16 years when the owner passed away unexpectedly. It was like a time capsule. I bought all of the bars contents. The games were literally BARn finds (get it, barn finds? Very low games played) They just needed a tune-up and very good cleaning and new rubbers and balls. 

Well the scammer then contacted me and said that the "barn find" game arrived and it had dirt and hay in it. I actually laughed on that one. He then demanded that unless I credit him back $2000 he would void his payment send the game back at my expense.
It's really sad that there are people that try these kinds of games.

Well it felt good to tell him what a scammer he is and informed him that his threats carried no weight. He eventually gave up.

I am a HUGE fan of wire transfers. I hope this helps.
Dave #2686

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:15 AM
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Cc: POCA <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Possibly another scam

Thank you for the education - but - I am too old school for such a scam. Over the years, I’ve found that trading the pink slip & keys for cash is the only way to do business with vehicles - it’s always worked fine. Seems anything else just opens one up for being screwed. Gary Hall’s wisdom. 
Just sayin’
Jack
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> On Aug 7, 2017, at 3:35 PM, audionut at hushmail.com wrote:
> 
> - what would the scam be?
> 
> Hi Jack--  Allow me to offer up one scam that I've become familiar with.
>  
> "Buyer" is a very nice, knowledgeable "gentleman" who lives far away (usually an upscale neighborhood), charms you with his car stories and how much he loves your car.  Once you agree to sell, he quickly sends an actual cash deposit straight to your account via Paypal, thus suckering you in.  His final payment comes as a cashier's check which immediately clears the bank, fooling you into surrendering the car to the trucker who quickly shows up and loads the car into a semi or other such transportation.  The check fools the bank for about a month, then bounces, leaving you with a payment of however much the Paypal "deposit" was for, which is soon refunded back to the buyer by Paypal when he claims that you never delivered the car.
>  
> Paypal terms stipulate that the buyer's word is enough to justify the "refund due to cancelation of transaction".  Scammer has paid minimal Paypal fees, you have no car and no money and you now must also pay Paypal "refund" fees for "canceling the transaction".
>  
> Entire scam duration, 1 - 2 months. 
> 
> Or, variations on same.  The basis upon which this scam works is the common bank practice of "holding deposit funds for clearance", usually 10 days or more, whenever a deposit is over $10k or so.  The bank tells you that this is done for your protection, but what is actually happening is that the bank takes your big check and lumps it in with thousands of other peoples' big checks which collectively amount to millions of dollars, puts them all in an interest-bearing account overseas and makes a tidy interest sum while everyones' money is being "temporarily held inaccessible for your protection".  After the "hold period" which is typically as long as the customers will bear, they transfer your deposit (release the "hold") to your account IF your check cleared the foreign bank.  Since the whole process takes weeks or more for the fraud to be noticed, the scammer succeeds.  The bank risks nothing by lying to you and telling you that the scammers' fake check has cleared.
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> ___________________________________________________________
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> 
> While on the subject of scams--  Here's a doozy:
>  
> Bankers are extremely cunning, elegant criminals whose racket is parasitic in nature, yet, they know how to operate so as to not kill their "host".  None of their "policies" benefit anyone but themselves.  Customers bear all banking risks at all times.  They are experts at squeezing productive peoples as far as they can without draining them dry.  Every once in a while they screw it up and suck too much blood out of sheer greed and this descends upon the people as "economic downturns", recessions, depressions, "bursting market bubbles", "too big to fail bailouts" etc. etc.  These "explanations" are expertly crafted bullshit stories designed to fool us into believing these things are "natural economic events" that "just happen".  We are led to believe that the economy is something far too complex for just anyone to comprehend.  This is a lie.  The simple marketplace, buying and selling, has been mis-labeled as a complex "financial system" involving all manner of taxation intricacies and infinite financial product variables which require high degrees of intelligence to understand.  In order to perpetuate this lie, volumes of legal nonsense has been introduced over time to obfuscate and disguise the fraudulent means by which parasitic control is exerted over the marketplace whereby wealth is siphoned out the hands of productive peoples and into the hands of banks.
>  
> There is no question that the banking/credit scam works brilliantly.  
> 
> When the bankers get too rich then they start wars, which serve a 3-fold purpose:   1)  to deplete excess wealth, 2) to facilitate the geopolitical goals of the bankers which further consolidate their powers, and 3)  weaken populations and keep people in states of distress which makes them far easier to deceive and control. 
>  
> Money is never "lent", it is created from nothing (credit) through government-approved legislation (so-called "will of the people") which amounts to nothing other than legally sanctioned counterfeiting.  
>  
> The Golden Rule being, "he who has the gold, makes the rules".
>  
> We never figure it out, and on and on and on it goes.  
>  
> Modern banking IS a scam in itself, so it is no small wonder that scammers exist in multitudes and that bankers could care less about tracking them down and prosecuting them.  Apprehending and prosecuting scammers is left to law enforcement agencies who generally have limited resources and greater priorities than catching these petty crooks who generally do not cause permanent or grievous harm.  
>  
> So what we have is an economic environment, enhanced greatly since the internet started, that is perfectly suited for scammers to thrive and multiply.
> 
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> On August 7, 2017 at 9:59 AM, "Jack Donahue" <demongusta at gmail.com> wrote:
> Got it too. Just curious, since I’m not familiar with “scammers” - what would the scam be?
> 
> > On Aug 7, 2017, at 9:39 AM, Bobbykart <bobbykart at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I got it also, so many internet scams out there
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
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> >> On Aug 7, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Dave McManus <Dave at damardirect.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I think it is a scam. Very weird. I got it also. 
> >> IndyDave
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> >> -----Original Message-----
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> >> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 11:46 AM
> >> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Possibly another scam
> >> 
> >> Possibly another scam.
> >> 
> >> Got weird email wanting to buy DeTomaso's Googling the email address gets hits from other car forums over the years with similar out of the blue.
> >> 
> >> " Hello, I apologize for my email! Bob (here in copy) referred me 
> >> to You....." from Tim McDowall And Bob being mbz190slmember
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