[DeTomaso] Possibly another scam

Jack Donahue demongusta at gmail.com
Tue Aug 8 13:14:34 EDT 2017


Thank you for the education - but - I am too old school for such a scam. Over the years, I’ve found that trading the pink slip & keys for cash is the only way to do business with vehicles - it’s always worked fine. Seems anything else just opens one up for being screwed. Gary Hall’s wisdom. 
Just sayin’
Jack
#4348
> On Aug 7, 2017, at 3:35 PM, audionut at hushmail.com wrote:
> 
> - what would the scam be?
> 
> Hi Jack--  Allow me to offer up one scam that I've become familiar with.
>  
> "Buyer" is a very nice, knowledgeable "gentleman" who lives far away (usually an upscale neighborhood), charms you with his car stories and how much he loves your car.  Once you agree to sell, he quickly sends an actual cash deposit straight to your account via Paypal, thus suckering you in.  His final payment comes as a cashier's check which immediately clears the bank, fooling you into surrendering the car to the trucker who quickly shows up and loads the car into a semi or other such transportation.  The check fools the bank for about a month, then bounces, leaving you with a payment of however much the Paypal "deposit" was for, which is soon refunded back to the buyer by Paypal when he claims that you never delivered the car.
>  
> Paypal terms stipulate that the buyer's word is enough to justify the "refund due to cancelation of transaction".  Scammer has paid minimal Paypal fees, you have no car and no money and you now must also pay Paypal "refund" fees for "canceling the transaction".
>  
> Entire scam duration, 1 - 2 months. 
> 
> Or, variations on same.  The basis upon which this scam works is the common bank practice of "holding deposit funds for clearance", usually 10 days or more, whenever a deposit is over $10k or so.  The bank tells you that this is done for your protection, but what is actually happening is that the bank takes your big check and lumps it in with thousands of other peoples' big checks which collectively amount to millions of dollars, puts them all in an interest-bearing account overseas and makes a tidy interest sum while everyones' money is being "temporarily held inaccessible for your protection".  After the "hold period" which is typically as long as the customers will bear, they transfer your deposit (release the "hold") to your account IF your check cleared the foreign bank.  Since the whole process takes weeks or more for the fraud to be noticed, the scammer succeeds.  The bank risks nothing by lying to you and telling you that the scammers' fake check has cleared.
>  
> ___________________________________________________________
> 
> 
> While on the subject of scams--  Here's a doozy:
>  
> Bankers are extremely cunning, elegant criminals whose racket is parasitic in nature, yet, they know how to operate so as to not kill their "host".  None of their "policies" benefit anyone but themselves.  Customers bear all banking risks at all times.  They are experts at squeezing productive peoples as far as they can without draining them dry.  Every once in a while they screw it up and suck too much blood out of sheer greed and this descends upon the people as "economic downturns", recessions, depressions, "bursting market bubbles", "too big to fail bailouts" etc. etc.  These "explanations" are expertly crafted bullshit stories designed to fool us into believing these things are "natural economic events" that "just happen".  We are led to believe that the economy is something far too complex for just anyone to comprehend.  This is a lie.  The simple marketplace, buying and selling, has been mis-labeled as a complex "financial system" involving all manner of taxation intricacies and infinite financial product variables which require high degrees of intelligence to understand.  In order to perpetuate this lie, volumes of legal nonsense has been introduced over time to obfuscate and disguise the fraudulent means by which parasitic control is exerted over the marketplace whereby wealth is siphoned out the hands of productive peoples and into the hands of banks.
>  
> There is no question that the banking/credit scam works brilliantly.  
> 
> When the bankers get too rich then they start wars, which serve a 3-fold purpose:   1)  to deplete excess wealth, 2) to facilitate the geopolitical goals of the bankers which further consolidate their powers, and 3)  weaken populations and keep people in states of distress which makes them far easier to deceive and control. 
>  
> Money is never "lent", it is created from nothing (credit) through government-approved legislation (so-called "will of the people") which amounts to nothing other than legally sanctioned counterfeiting.  
>  
> The Golden Rule being, "he who has the gold, makes the rules".
>  
> We never figure it out, and on and on and on it goes.  
>  
> Modern banking IS a scam in itself, so it is no small wonder that scammers exist in multitudes and that bankers could care less about tracking them down and prosecuting them.  Apprehending and prosecuting scammers is left to law enforcement agencies who generally have limited resources and greater priorities than catching these petty crooks who generally do not cause permanent or grievous harm.  
>  
> So what we have is an economic environment, enhanced greatly since the internet started, that is perfectly suited for scammers to thrive and multiply.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> On August 7, 2017 at 9:59 AM, "Jack Donahue" <demongusta at gmail.com> wrote:
> Got it too. Just curious, since I’m not familiar with “scammers” - what would the scam be?
> 
> > On Aug 7, 2017, at 9:39 AM, Bobbykart <bobbykart at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I got it also, so many internet scams out there
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> >> On Aug 7, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Dave McManus <Dave at damardirect.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I think it is a scam. Very weird. I got it also. 
> >> IndyDave
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. [mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com] 
> >> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 11:46 AM
> >> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Possibly another scam
> >> 
> >> Possibly another scam.
> >> 
> >> Got weird email wanting to buy DeTomaso's Googling the email address gets hits from other car forums over the years with similar out of the blue.
> >> 
> >> " Hello, I apologize for my email! Bob (here in copy) referred me to You....." from Tim McDowall And Bob being mbz190slmember
> >> 
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   Thank you for the education - but - I am too old school for such a
   scam. Over the years, I've found that trading the pink slip & keys for
   cash is the only way to do business with vehicles - it's always worked
   fine. Seems anything else just opens one up for being screwed. Gary
   Hall's wisdom.

   Just sayin'

   Jack

   #4348

   On Aug 7, 2017, at 3:35 PM, [1]audionut at hushmail.com wrote:

   - what would the scam be?
   Hi Jack--  Allow me to offer up one scam that I've become familiar
   with.

   "Buyer" is a very nice, knowledgeable "gentleman" who lives far away
   (usually an upscale neighborhood), charms you with his car stories and
   how much he loves your car.  Once you agree to sell, he quickly sends
   an actual cash deposit straight to your account via Paypal, thus
   suckering you in.  His final payment comes as a cashier's check which
   immediately clears the bank, fooling you into surrendering the car to
   the trucker who quickly shows up and loads the car into a semi or other
   such transportation.  The check fools the bank for about a month, then
   bounces, leaving you with a payment of however much the Paypal
   "deposit" was for, which is soon refunded back to the buyer by Paypal
   when he claims that you never delivered the car.

   Paypal terms stipulate that the buyer's word is enough to justify the
   "refund due to cancelation of transaction".  Scammer has paid minimal
   Paypal fees, you have no car and no money and you now must also pay
   Paypal "refund" fees for "canceling the transaction".

   Entire scam duration, 1 - 2 months.
   Or, variations on same.  The basis upon which this scam works is the
   common bank practice of "holding deposit funds for clearance", usually
   10 days or more, whenever a deposit is over $10k or so.  The bank tells
   you that this is done for your protection, but what is actually
   happening is that the bank takes your big check and lumps it in with
   thousands of other peoples' big checks which collectively amount to
   millions of dollars, puts them all in an interest-bearing account
   overseas and makes a tidy interest sum while everyones' money is being
   "temporarily held inaccessible for your protection".  After the "hold
   period" which is typically as long as the customers will bear, they
   transfer your deposit (release the "hold") to your account IF your
   check cleared the foreign bank.  Since the whole process takes weeks or
   more for the fraud to be noticed, the scammer succeeds.  The bank risks
   nothing by lying to you and telling you that the scammers' fake check
   has cleared.

   ___________________________________________________________
   While on the subject of scams--  Here's a doozy:

   Bankers are extremely cunning, elegant criminals whose racket is
   parasitic in nature, yet, they know how to operate so as to not kill
   their "host".  None of their "policies" benefit anyone but themselves.
    Customers bear all banking risks at all times.  They are experts at
   squeezing productive peoples as far as they can without draining them
   dry.  Every once in a while they screw it up and suck too much blood
   out of sheer greed and this descends upon the people as "economic
   downturns", recessions, depressions, "bursting market bubbles", "too
   big to fail bailouts" etc. etc.  These "explanations" are expertly
   crafted bullshit stories designed to fool us into believing these
   things are "natural economic events" that "just happen".  We are led to
   believe that the economy is something far too complex for just anyone
   to comprehend.  This is a lie.  The simple marketplace, buying and
   selling, has been mis-labeled as a complex "financial system" involving
   all manner of taxation intricacies and infinite financial product
   variables which require high degrees of intelligence to understand.  In
   order to perpetuate this lie, volumes of legal nonsense has been
   introduced over time to obfuscate and disguise the fraudulent means by
   which parasitic control is exerted over the marketplace whereby wealth
   is siphoned out the hands of productive peoples and into the hands of
   banks.

   There is no question that the banking/credit scam works brilliantly.
   When the bankers get too rich then they start wars, which serve a
   3-fold purpose:   1)  to deplete excess wealth, 2) to facilitate the
   geopolitical goals of the bankers which further consolidate their
   powers, and 3)  weaken populations and keep people in states of
   distress which makes them far easier to deceive and control.

   Money is never "lent", it is created from nothing (credit) through
   government-approved legislation (so-called "will of the people") which
   amounts to nothing other than legally sanctioned counterfeiting.

   The Golden Rule being, "he who has the gold, makes the rules".

   We never figure it out, and on and on and on it goes.

   Modern banking IS a scam in itself, so it is no small wonder that
   scammers exist in multitudes and that bankers could care less about
   tracking them down and prosecuting them.  Apprehending and prosecuting
   scammers is left to law enforcement agencies who generally have limited
   resources and greater priorities than catching these petty crooks who
   generally do not cause permanent or grievous harm.

   So what we have is an economic environment, enhanced greatly since the
   internet started, that is perfectly suited for scammers to thrive and
   multiply.
   Sent using Hushmail
   On August 7, 2017 at 9:59 AM, "Jack Donahue" <[2]demongusta at gmail.com>
   wrote:

     Got it too. Just curious, since I'm not familiar with "scammers" -
     what would the scam be?
     > On Aug 7, 2017, at 9:39 AM, Bobbykart <[3]bobbykart at gmail.com>
     wrote:
     >
     > I got it also, so many internet scams out there
     >
     > Sent from my iPad
     >
     >> On Aug 7, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Dave McManus
     <[4]Dave at damardirect.com> wrote:
     >>
     >> I think it is a scam. Very weird. I got it also.
     >> IndyDave
     >>
     >> -----Original Message-----
     >> From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. [[5]mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com]
     >> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 11:46 AM
     >> To: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Possibly another scam
     >>
     >> Possibly another scam.
     >>
     >> Got weird email wanting to buy DeTomaso's Googling the email
     address gets hits from other car forums over the years with similar
     out of the blue.
     >>
     >> " Hello, I apologize for my email! Bob (here in copy) referred me
     to You....." from Tim McDowall And Bob being mbz190slmember
     >>
     >>
     >> _______________________________________________
     >>
     >>
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     >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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References

   1. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com
   2. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com
   3. mailto:bobbykart at gmail.com
   4. mailto:Dave at damardirect.com
   5. mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com
   6. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   9. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  11. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  12. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso


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