[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 158, Issue 5

David Cantagallo dcantagallo at ymail.com
Sat Aug 5 12:30:43 EDT 2017


Pantera Homecoming 2017 has grown. Not only will you tour the Ford Coyote 5.0 engine plant, have dinner with Raj Nair and a 2017 Ford GT, tour the Edsel Ford Mansion and have a free lunch, have a great registration grab bag, we now have a Coyote engine donated to raffle off during dinner!! Seats still available register asap for security reasons! Oh yeah pictures in front of Ford HQ just like Alessandro! Great desk photo! Let me know if you have questions. Dave Cantagallo, 4072

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> Today's Topics:
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>   1. Re: LinkedIn Scam. NPC (The Hougans)
>   2. Re: NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
>      (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas)
>   3. Re: NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden? (Mike Drew)
>   4. Re: NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden? (Julian Kift)
>   5. Re: NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden? (Lashdeep Singh)
>   6. Re: NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden? (grayjim)
>   7. Why did I wait so long........ (Julian Kift)
> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 16:14:41 -0700
> From: "The Hougans" <hougan at verizon.net>
> To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Scam. NPC
> Message-ID: <IHEFKFPEEBDCCFHFEPEHAEMBJMAA.hougan at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
> 
> Yup!
> And, the sad part is that few people care, even when they find out they no longer have any privacy!
> Orwell's 1984 may have been late...bit it's here now with a vengance:(
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]On
> Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C)
> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 8:23 AM
> To: Will Kooiman; The DeTomaso Registry Guy; 'Peter Menyhart'; 'Julian
> Kift'; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] LinkedIn Scam. NPC
> 
> 
> Will,
> 
> Like our friends here (called the IRS) they will likely go after the big guys first.  There is 
> more revenue to be made there.  Unfortunately, every App and many websites ask for your 
> contact information, and your cell phone is the worst. Also, cell phone providers (last I knew)
> were trying to get the privacy laws changed so they can sell your cell phone information and
> usage to marketing firms.  Google is, by far, the worst offender. They have more information 
> on you than the Gov. ever could.  And they get it for free. Do you use Google search, gmail, etc.
> Free Free Free. There are 8000-10000 Google searches (Docker Containers) launched every 
> SECOND of every day.  24/7.  Data Analytics has changed the world.  Witness our last election.
> 
> Security is a big issue. You can be tracked down to the last time you used your cell phone, browser,
> Email or credit card. To name just a few. You have no privacy.  For $9 you can find where anyone is 
> within a 10 minute widow. Marketing data storage has all that information and more.
> 
> Its a different connected world today. Im both amazed and scared. (time to build that cabin?)
> 
> ciao
> 
> Terry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> 
> Terry W. Himes 
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell:     (818) 653-8213
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> ????
> 
> 
> On 8/4/17, 3:32 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>    This might change next year, at least for European Union citizens.
> 
>    The EU is pushing for privacy laws that have teeth.  It is called EU GDPR.
>     Almost every US state has privacy laws, but they are difficult to
>    enforce, and the fines are not significant.
> 
>    The difference with EU GDPR is the size of the fines.  FB, Linked In, etc.
>    could be fined up to $40 million dollars for failure to comply with the
>    regulation.  All you have to do is send them something and ask to be
>    forgotten.
> 
>    The last I heard, the EU is hiring 4,500 regulators to enforce EU GDPR.
>    Whether the EU is successful with EU GDPR remains to be seen.
> 
> 
>    On 8/3/17, 9:30 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of The DeTomaso Registry Guy"
>    <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>    detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> interesting,
>> 
>> I got the linkedin request from "Chuck Melton  at slickpaint--Bill Gaino
>> too" wonder what they are up to?
>> 
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> 
>> I can tell you about the LinkedIn scam....
>> 
>> First of all, I do not have the time or interest in Facebook, twitter,
>> LinkedIn etc...
>> 
>> I personally get bombarded with spam from LinkedIn.
>> It is sent to many of my e-mail addresses used, or formerly-used,
>> in regards to the Registry effort.
>> 
>> I received over the last couple of days several messages from LinkedIn
>> regarding
>> connecting with Bill Gaino.  So many in fact that I sent/forwarded a
>> couple of the messages
>> directly to Bill...  (Hey stop this crap.)
>> 
>> But HIS spam filter made me fill out some forms, with the picture of
>> scrambled letters etc...
>> Just so I could let Bill know I was getting BOMBED!
>> 
>> As it turns out, Bill tells me LinkedIn thinks that I own his business
>> (www.slickpaint.com - I think) and LinkedIn must have taken his contact
>> list
>> and SPAMMED everyone on it.  Worse, they say it is me...  HA!
>> 
>> As my true and close friends know just how much I HATE FB, Twitter,
>> LinkedIn etc...
>> that they know anything from them is spam (whether it >seems< it came
>> from me or not)
>> 
>> I WILL NEVER EVER USE THAT Life-Stealing crap... LI, FB, and other such
>> garbage spewing organizations.
>> 
>> I would like to return the favor, especially to LinkedIn by forwarding
>> their spam back to them.
>> But like most modern internet businesses (that are really social scams),
>> you can't actually REACH anyone at the biz.
>> 
>> Burn in HELL LinkedIn!
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 19:15:51 -0700
> From: "Mike & Elizabeth Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> To: "'Dave Londry'" <davel at emspace.com>, "'Julian Kift'"
>    <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, "'detomasolist'"
>    <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
> Message-ID: <008f01d30d90$c3529fa0$49f7dee0$@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> What are you guys yakking about, I get no links to anything about the C8.
> Please forward.  Waiting with baited breath . . .  (wife won't come near me
> . .. . ).
> 
> Mike Thomas
> Pres., Panteras Northwest
> 206-795-3302
> Yellow '74 #6328
> www.panterasnorthwest.com
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> Of Dave Londry
> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 5:28 PM
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; detomasolist
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
> 
> Yes, I have the same point of view Julian, and it's tooled.
> The back-out cost now would be incredible (to me anyway).
> Dave
> 
> 
>> On 8/03/17 12:43 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
>>    I am not a Chevy guy, but I'd really consider it at that price....
> it's
>>    a poor mans Ford GT
>> 
>>    Julian
>> 
>> __________________________________________________________________
>> 
>>    From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>>    Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>    Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 12:18 PM
>>    To: jderyke at aol.com; rob at dumoulins.net;
>>    detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
>> 
>>    .Yeah, but this one has spy photos!  Most magazines I've read are
>>    giving it quite a bit of credibility.  My guess is that they will slot
>>    it below the Audi R8 and NSX competition, so maybe in the $125k range?
>>     I assume they will keep the front engine line going forward as well,
>>    making the mid more exclusive. .If it looks anything like this, I'm
>>    buying one! :-)..brent.
>> 
>>    On Thursday, August 3, 2017, 12:08:46 PM PDT, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>>    <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>      Don't hold you breath. Mid-engine Corvettes "on the way" date back
> to
>>      1970 when GM threw one together from a parts bin to take steam out
> of
>>      Ford/DeTomaso's presentation of a real car in April 1970 at the New
>>      York Auto Show. Didn't work. That was (I think) the first vapor-car
>>    GM
>>      showed with a midengine design and this is yet another in a very
> long
>>      line. The closest GM ever got to production was the midengine V6
>>    Fiero
>>      and that one was killed as they finished updating it to a decent
>>    street
>>      machine (1988).
>>      -----Original Message-----
>>      From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
>>      To: P - Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>      Sent: Thu, Aug 3, 2017 11:52 am
>>      Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
>>      This ought to be good.A Does anybody have info on it other than this
>>      article?
>> 
>> 
> [1][1]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.c
>>      om.
>> 
>> 
>> au/news/1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine-h
>> a
>> 
>> 
> lo-car&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNTM1OTE1OTcwMTk3NTAzMTg4NTIaODgxZWUxY2NhNDg0ZTY
>>      0MDpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNFF9O4bvtZlRAHse_5Kvhtk_uR3jA
>>      References
>>      1.
>> 
>> 
> [2]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com.
>> 
>> 
>> au/news/1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine-h
>> a
>> 
>> 
> lo-car&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNTM1OTE1OTcwMTk3NTAzMTg4NTIaODgxZWUxY2NhNDg0ZTY
>>      0MDpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNFF9O4bvtZlRAHse_5Kvhtk_uR3jA
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>>    [1]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com
>>      2.
>> 
> [2]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com.
>> 
> au/news/1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine-ha
>> 
> lo-car&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNTM1OTE1OTcwMTk3NTAzMTg4NTIaODgxZWUxY2NhNDg0ZTY
>>    0MDpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNFF9O4bvtZlRAHse_5Kvhtk_uR3jA
>>      3. [3]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>      4. [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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>> References
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>>    1. https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com
>>    2.
> https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/
> 1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine-halo-car&ct=ga&
> cd=CAEYACoTNTM1OTE1OTcwMTk3NTAzMTg4NTIaODgxZWUxY2NhNDg0ZTY0MDpjb206ZW46VVM&u
> sg=AFQjCNFF9O4bvtZlRAHse_5Kvhtk_uR3jA
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 19:52:02 -0700
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> Cc: detomasolist <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
> Message-ID: <C7CD435C-2685-4179-928F-B89A868DDA0C at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Mike,
> 
> Google is your friend. 
> 
> http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2019-chevrolet-corvette-mid-engine-c8-spy-photos-news
> 
> There are a million other links showing the same photos. 
> 
> I don't want one. But it will be interesting to see if they actually make it?
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 19:15, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> What are you guys yakking about, I get no links to anything about the C8.
>> Please forward.  Waiting with baited breath . . .  (wife won't come near me
>> . .. . ).
>> 
>> Mike Thomas
>> Pres., Panteras Northwest
>> 206-795-3302
>> Yellow '74 #6328
>> www.panterasnorthwest.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Dave Londry
>> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 5:28 PM
>> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; detomasolist
>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
>> 
>> Yes, I have the same point of view Julian, and it's tooled.
>> The back-out cost now would be incredible (to me anyway).
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/03/17 12:43 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
>>>   I am not a Chevy guy, but I'd really consider it at that price....
>> it's
>>>   a poor mans Ford GT
>>> 
>>>   Julian
>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>> 
>>>   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>>>   Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>   Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 12:18 PM
>>>   To: jderyke at aol.com; rob at dumoulins.net;
>>>   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
>>> 
>>>   .Yeah, but this one has spy photos!  Most magazines I've read are
>>>   giving it quite a bit of credibility.  My guess is that they will slot
>>>   it below the Audi R8 and NSX competition, so maybe in the $125k range?
>>>    I assume they will keep the front engine line going forward as well,
>>>   making the mid more exclusive. .If it looks anything like this, I'm
>>>   buying one! :-)..brent.
>>> 
>>>   On Thursday, August 3, 2017, 12:08:46 PM PDT, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>>>   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>     Don't hold you breath. Mid-engine Corvettes "on the way" date back
>> to
>>>     1970 when GM threw one together from a parts bin to take steam out
>> of
>>>     Ford/DeTomaso's presentation of a real car in April 1970 at the New
>>>     York Auto Show. Didn't work. That was (I think) the first vapor-car
>>>   GM
>>>     showed with a midengine design and this is yet another in a very
>> long
>>>     line. The closest GM ever got to production was the midengine V6
>>>   Fiero
>>>     and that one was killed as they finished updating it to a decent
>>>   street
>>>     machine (1988).
>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>     From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
>>>     To: P - Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>     Sent: Thu, Aug 3, 2017 11:52 am
>>>     Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
>>>     This ought to be good.A Does anybody have info on it other than this
>>>     article?
>>> 
>>> 
>> [1][1]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.c
>>>     om.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> au/news/1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine-h
>>> a
>>> 
>>> 
>> lo-car&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNTM1OTE1OTcwMTk3NTAzMTg4NTIaODgxZWUxY2NhNDg0ZTY
>>>     0MDpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNFF9O4bvtZlRAHse_5Kvhtk_uR3jA
>>>     References
>>>     1.
>>> 
>>> 
>> [2]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> au/news/1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine-h
>>> a
>>> 
>>> 
>> lo-car&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNTM1OTE1OTcwMTk3NTAzMTg4NTIaODgxZWUxY2NhNDg0ZTY
>>>     0MDpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNFF9O4bvtZlRAHse_5Kvhtk_uR3jA
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>>>     1.
>>>   [1]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com
>>>     2.
>>> 
>> [2]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com.
>>> 
>> au/news/1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine-ha
>>> 
>> lo-car&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNTM1OTE1OTcwMTk3NTAzMTg4NTIaODgxZWUxY2NhNDg0ZTY
>>>   0MDpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNFF9O4bvtZlRAHse_5Kvhtk_uR3jA
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>>>   1. https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com
>>>   2.
>> https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/
>> 1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine-halo-car&ct=ga&
>> cd=CAEYACoTNTM1OTE1OTcwMTk3NTAzMTg4NTIaODgxZWUxY2NhNDg0ZTY0MDpjb206ZW46VVM&u
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>   Mike,
> 
>   Google is your friend.
> 
>   [1]http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2019-chevrolet-corvette-mid-engine-
>   c8-spy-photos-news
> 
>   There are a million other links showing the same photos.
> 
>   I don't want one. But it will be interesting to see if they actually
>   make it?
> 
>   Mike
> 
>   Sent from my iPad
> 
>   On Aug 4, 2017, at 19:15, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
>   <[2]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>   What are you guys yakking about, I get no links to anything about the
>   C8.
>   Please forward.  Waiting with baited breath . . .  (wife won't come
>   near me
>   . .. . ).
>   Mike Thomas
>   Pres., Panteras Northwest
>   206-795-3302
>   Yellow '74 #6328
>   [3]www.panterasnorthwest.com
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>   Behalf
>   Of Dave Londry
>   Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 5:28 PM
>   To: Julian Kift <[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>; detomasolist
>   <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
>   Yes, I have the same point of view Julian, and it's tooled.
>   The back-out cost now would be incredible (to me anyway).
>   Dave
>   On 8/03/17 12:43 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
> 
>        I am not a Chevy guy, but I'd really consider it at that
>     price....
> 
>   it's
> 
>        a poor mans Ford GT
> 
>        Julian
> 
>     __________________________________________________________________
> 
>        From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
>     behalf of
> 
>        Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> 
>        Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 12:18 PM
> 
>        To: [9]jderyke at aol.com; [10]rob at dumoulins.net;
> 
>        [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 
>        Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
> 
>        .Yeah, but this one has spy photos!  Most magazines I've read are
> 
>        giving it quite a bit of credibility.  My guess is that they will
>     slot
> 
>        it below the Audi R8 and NSX competition, so maybe in the $125k
>     range?
> 
>         I assume they will keep the front engine line going forward as
>     well,
> 
>        making the mid more exclusive. .If it looks anything like this,
>     I'm
> 
>        buying one! :-)..brent.
> 
>        On Thursday, August 3, 2017, 12:08:46 PM PDT, Jack DeRyke via
>     DeTomaso
> 
>        <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> 
>          Don't hold you breath. Mid-engine Corvettes "on the way" date
>     back
> 
>   to
> 
>          1970 when GM threw one together from a parts bin to take steam
>     out
> 
>   of
> 
>          Ford/DeTomaso's presentation of a real car in April 1970 at the
>     New
> 
>          York Auto Show. Didn't work. That was (I think) the first
>     vapor-car
> 
>        GM
> 
>          showed with a midengine design and this is yet another in a
>     very
> 
>   long
> 
>          line. The closest GM ever got to production was the midengine
>     V6
> 
>        Fiero
> 
>          and that one was killed as they finished updating it to a
>     decent
> 
>        street
> 
>          machine (1988).
> 
>          -----Original Message-----
> 
>          From: Rob Dumoulin <[13]rob at dumoulins.net>
> 
>          To: P - Mail List <[14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> 
>          Sent: Thu, Aug 3, 2017 11:52 am
> 
>          Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
> 
>          This ought to be good.A Does anybody have info on it other than
>     this
> 
>          article?
> 
>   [1][1][15]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsm
>   ag.c
> 
>          om.
> 
>     au/news/1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine
>     -h
> 
>     a
> 
>   lo-car&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNTM1OTE1OTcwMTk3NTAzMTg4NTIaODgxZWUxY2NhNDg0ZTY
> 
>          0MDpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNFF9O4bvtZlRAHse_5Kvhtk_uR3jA
> 
>          References
> 
>          1.
> 
>   [2][16]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.
>   com.
> 
>     au/news/1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine
>     -h
> 
>     a
> 
>   lo-car&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNTM1OTE1OTcwMTk3NTAzMTg4NTIaODgxZWUxY2NhNDg0ZTY
> 
>          0MDpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNFF9O4bvtZlRAHse_5Kvhtk_uR3jA
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>        [1][19]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.whee
>     lsmag.com
> 
>          2.
> 
>   [2][20]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.
>   com.
> 
>   au/news/1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine-ha
> 
>   lo-car&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNTM1OTE1OTcwMTk3NTAzMTg4NTIaODgxZWUxY2NhNDg0ZTY
> 
>        0MDpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNFF9O4bvtZlRAHse_5Kvhtk_uR3jA
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>          3. [3][21]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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>     [25]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.
>     com
> 
>        2.
> 
>   [26]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com
>   .au/news/
>   1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine-halo-car&c
>   t=ga&
>   cd=CAEYACoTNTM1OTE1OTcwMTk3NTAzMTg4NTIaODgxZWUxY2NhNDg0ZTY0MDpjb206ZW46
>   VVM&u
>   sg=AFQjCNFF9O4bvtZlRAHse_5Kvhtk_uR3jA
> 
>        3. [27]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 
>        4. [28]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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>   1. http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2019-chevrolet-corvette-mid-engine-c8-spy-photos-news
>   2. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
>   3. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/
>   4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>   5. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>   6. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>   8. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   9. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
>  10. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
>  11. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>  12. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>  13. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
>  14. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>  15. https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.c
>  16. https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com
>  17. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>  18. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>  19. https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com
>  20. https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com
>  21. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>  22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>  23. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>  24. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>  25. https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com
>  26. https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/
>  27. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>  28. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>  29. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>  30. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>  31. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>  32. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 03:23:12 +0000
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> Cc: detomasolist <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Mike,
> 
> The link from the Australian car mag actually appears in your reply a couple times, it is just truncated due to the email delivery. The original link has some cool artist renditions.
> 
> https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden?s-mid-engine-halo-car
> 
> Julian
> 
> Sent from a galaxy far far away; well actually an iPhone since the galaxy went up in smoke!
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 7:15 PM, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> What are you guys yakking about, I get no links to anything about the C8.
>> Please forward.  Waiting with baited breath . . .  (wife won't come near me
>> . .. . ).
>> 
>> Mike Thomas
>> Pres., Panteras Northwest
>> 206-795-3302
>> Yellow '74 #6328
>> www.panterasnorthwest.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Dave Londry
>> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 5:28 PM
>> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; detomasolist
>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
>> 
>> Yes, I have the same point of view Julian, and it's tooled.
>> The back-out cost now would be incredible (to me anyway).
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/03/17 12:43 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
>>>   I am not a Chevy guy, but I'd really consider it at that price....
>> it's
>>>   a poor mans Ford GT
>>> 
>>>   Julian
>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>> 
>>>   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>>>   Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>   Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 12:18 PM
>>>   To: jderyke at aol.com; rob at dumoulins.net;
>>>   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
>>> 
>>>   .Yeah, but this one has spy photos!  Most magazines I've read are
>>>   giving it quite a bit of credibility.  My guess is that they will slot
>>>   it below the Audi R8 and NSX competition, so maybe in the $125k range?
>>>    I assume they will keep the front engine line going forward as well,
>>>   making the mid more exclusive. .If it looks anything like this, I'm
>>>   buying one! :-)..brent.
>>> 
>>>   On Thursday, August 3, 2017, 12:08:46 PM PDT, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>>>   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>     Don't hold you breath. Mid-engine Corvettes "on the way" date back
>> to
>>>     1970 when GM threw one together from a parts bin to take steam out
>> of
>>>     Ford/DeTomaso's presentation of a real car in April 1970 at the New
>>>     York Auto Show. Didn't work. That was (I think) the first vapor-car
>>>   GM
>>>     showed with a midengine design and this is yet another in a very
>> long
>>>     line. The closest GM ever got to production was the midengine V6
>>>   Fiero
>>>     and that one was killed as they finished updating it to a decent
>>>   street
>>>     machine (1988).
>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>     From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
>>>     To: P - Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>     Sent: Thu, Aug 3, 2017 11:52 am
>>>     Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
>>>     This ought to be good.A Does anybody have info on it other than this
>>>     article?
>>> 
>>> 
>> [1][1]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.c
>>>     om.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> au/news/1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine-h
>>> a
>>> 
>>> 
>> lo-car&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNTM1OTE1OTcwMTk3NTAzMTg4NTIaODgxZWUxY2NhNDg0ZTY
>>>     0MDpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNFF9O4bvtZlRAHse_5Kvhtk_uR3jA
>>>     References
>>>     1.
>>> 
>>> 
>> [2]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> au/news/1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine-h
>>> a
>>> 
>>> 
>> lo-car&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNTM1OTE1OTcwMTk3NTAzMTg4NTIaODgxZWUxY2NhNDg0ZTY
>>>     0MDpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNFF9O4bvtZlRAHse_5Kvhtk_uR3jA
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>>>     2.
>>> 
>> [2]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com.
>>> 
>> au/news/1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine-ha
>>> 
>> lo-car&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNTM1OTE1OTcwMTk3NTAzMTg4NTIaODgxZWUxY2NhNDg0ZTY
>>>   0MDpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNFF9O4bvtZlRAHse_5Kvhtk_uR3jA
>>>     3. [3]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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>>>   2.
>> https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/
>> 1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine-halo-car&ct=ga&
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> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 23:56:53 -0400
> From: Lashdeep Singh <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
> To: JFFR <pantera at vtc.net>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
> Message-ID: <BA39F7F4-36B0-48C0-967A-D3BB414CD348 at yahoo.com>
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> 
> They fixed the cooling concerns with the new ZL1.
> 
> Agreed, this Vette looks insane and will likely be a bargain.
> 
> LSJ
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 09:20, JFFR <pantera at vtc.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I think GM should work out their overheating problem with the never Z06 model before they tackle a mid engine car. It seems that the automatic transmission versions tend to run a bit warm when the temperature gets up to about 90 degrees. Of course they said that only five percent of the owners have complained but they are looking into doing something with the hood to get more air flow. I talked to a ZO6 owner about his on track oil temperatures at an event that I was working at. He said after about ten laps on a 2.75 mile road course, the oil was getting up to 300 degrees. This event was in February and the outside air temperature was about 45 degrees.
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> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 23:32:34 -0500
> From: "grayjim" <grayjim at cox.net>
> To: "Mike Drew" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "Mike & Elizabeth Thomas"
>    <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> Cc: detomasolist <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
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> I think so many of us who became Pantera owners only did so when we realized 
> GM was never going to come through for us. At Least that's what I've heard 
> several Pantera lovers express. I still doubt we'll ever see one which is 
> too bad. I think GM would support their vehicle far better than Ford ever 
> did. Just my opinion.
> 
> I hope we see a $125K Corvette that might drive Ford to make their GT more 
> affordable to the masses. One we could buy and drive and not just have to 
> watch Jay Leno enjoy.
> 
> Wishful thinking
> Jim Gray
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 9:52 PM
> To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
> Cc: detomasolist
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
> 
> Mike,
> 
> Google is your friend.
> 
> http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2019-chevrolet-corvette-mid-engine-c8-spy-photos-news
> 
> There are a million other links showing the same photos.
> 
> I don't want one. But it will be interesting to see if they actually make 
> it?
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 19:15, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What are you guys yakking about, I get no links to anything about the C8.
>> Please forward.  Waiting with baited breath . . .  (wife won't come near 
>> me
>> . .. . ).
>> 
>> Mike Thomas
>> Pres., Panteras Northwest
>> 206-795-3302
>> Yellow '74 #6328
>> www.panterasnorthwest.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Dave Londry
>> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 5:28 PM
>> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; detomasolist
>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
>> 
>> Yes, I have the same point of view Julian, and it's tooled.
>> The back-out cost now would be incredible (to me anyway).
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/03/17 12:43 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
>>>   I am not a Chevy guy, but I'd really consider it at that price....
>> it's
>>>   a poor mans Ford GT
>>> 
>>>   Julian
>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>> 
>>>   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>>>   Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>   Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 12:18 PM
>>>   To: jderyke at aol.com; rob at dumoulins.net;
>>>   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
>>> 
>>>   .Yeah, but this one has spy photos!  Most magazines I've read are
>>>   giving it quite a bit of credibility.  My guess is that they will slot
>>>   it below the Audi R8 and NSX competition, so maybe in the $125k range?
>>>    I assume they will keep the front engine line going forward as well,
>>>   making the mid more exclusive. .If it looks anything like this, I'm
>>>   buying one! :-)..brent.
>>> 
>>>   On Thursday, August 3, 2017, 12:08:46 PM PDT, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>>>   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>     Don't hold you breath. Mid-engine Corvettes "on the way" date back
>> to
>>>     1970 when GM threw one together from a parts bin to take steam out
>> of
>>>     Ford/DeTomaso's presentation of a real car in April 1970 at the New
>>>     York Auto Show. Didn't work. That was (I think) the first vapor-car
>>>   GM
>>>     showed with a midengine design and this is yet another in a very
>> long
>>>     line. The closest GM ever got to production was the midengine V6
>>>   Fiero
>>>     and that one was killed as they finished updating it to a decent
>>>   street
>>>     machine (1988).
>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>     From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
>>>     To: P - Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>     Sent: Thu, Aug 3, 2017 11:52 am
>>>     Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Mid-engine C8 Vette to be a Holden?
>>>     This ought to be good.A Does anybody have info on it other than this
>>>     article?
>>> 
>>> 
>> [1][1]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.c
>>>     om.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> au/news/1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine-h
>>> a
>>> 
>>> 
>> lo-car&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNTM1OTE1OTcwMTk3NTAzMTg4NTIaODgxZWUxY2NhNDg0ZTY
>>>     0MDpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNFF9O4bvtZlRAHse_5Kvhtk_uR3jA
>>>     References
>>>     1.
>>> 
>>> 
>> [2]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.wheelsmag.com.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> au/news/1708/corvette-c8-set-to-be-holden%25E2%2580%2599s-mid-engine-h
>>> a
>>> 
>>> 
>> lo-car&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNTM1OTE1OTcwMTk3NTAzMTg4NTIaODgxZWUxY2NhNDg0ZTY
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> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 15:47:47 +0000
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] Why did I wait so long........
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> Having now made a commitment to Mark Charlton for him to ride shotgun in Monterey and yesterday also having purchased a Concorso Italiano ticket, last night I thought I'd better check I have a car to take! It's been well over 9 months since the GT5 has seen the light of day, in fact I can't actually recall when I drove it last, not since I started the new job last October, so in all honesty probably Monterey last year!
> 
> I dug my way through all the crap that had accumulated in that space between the front of it and the garage door, moving a scooter (pit bike) that didn't want to start, with thoughts of ?so this is the way the evening is going to go? already crossing my mind? I ducked and shimmied myself between the car and lift careful not to bump my head, which I have done so many times I've lost count and I?m sure I have a permanent dimple to prove it (some might say brain damage). I disconnected the trickle charger, pulled the cover and even more awkwardly squeezed into the car with the driver?s door partially open, feet first into the foot well. Once in it felt much like it does pulling on my helmet at the race track; snug and reassuring with a sense of anticipation and trace of nervousness. It took a little time to prime the carb via the mechanical pump, but eventually she sputtered into life, quickly filling the garage with those ever recognizable fumes of overly rich partially burnt gas mixed
>  with accumulated cobwebs/dust being burnt off of hot surfaces.
> 
> Carefully I edged her out of the garage and just sat and savored the moment while she got warm enough to idle, albeit somewhat rough, kind of like an old man the morning after a night of debauchery. I ran inside to find the registration tag and insurance card to replace those that had long since expired. Finally laid my hands on the tag, right along with the new plates; WTF why do I need mandatory replacement plates on my cars every 7 years? That?s the craziest money grabbing stint ever heard of; but wait, Nevada has transitioned back to stamped plates that the prisoners crank out rather than the decal style (which they introduced to save money at the prisons). They do look so much better, so I shouldn?t complain for $7 a pair and I get a garage wall ornament of the old plates to boot. I digress, and my car is idling in the driveway, waiting like the caged Panther it is to be released into its predatory hunting grounds, ready to pounce on unsuspecting coffee can rice burners that hav
> e a notion that a 70?s car can?t be both fast and cool.
> 
> But this is no ordinary 70?s styling (albeit in my case with a touch of 80's flare - literally); I can feel the heads turning, eyes staring as soon as I round the corner from my neighborhood onto the main street. A guy in a big RAM truck rolls coal from his diesel pulling away from the first light in an effort to impress me. I cut through that crap in an instant and leave him wondering. The lights are against me as we pull up to the next one and he?s rolling down his window excited like a kid at Christmas, I honestly at one point thought he may be going to propose he was so enamored.
> 
> The other side I have a Jeep SR8, the Pantera is physically rocking as the idle is set a little low, I feather the throttle and it?s enough to make him think twice, maybe he had seen what happened to the RAM, sheepishly he pulls away (ewe that was a bad pun).
> 
> It?s a similar story at each light, I?m wondering if some whizz kid out there has an app that changes lights to red just to get another glimpse of this beauty. I look in the rear view mirror and over the vibrating air cleaner I see the Lexus behind me has a Mom driving and son in the passenger seat both with their noses stuck to the windshield, tongues hanging out and eyes squinting trying to read the script on the rear of the Pantera. I don?t know if they got it, but if that kid wasn?t the one with the traffic light app I?m damn sure he?s on Google now and we are about to have one more convert to the fold.
> 
> I pull into the small mall and there?s a flurry of activity, smart phones come out faster than I can answer the questions. Its amazing kids nowadays can draw a smartphone, take a photo and upload it to Facebook quicker than a cowboy could get his finger on the trigger of a six shooter. But I?m not here to showboat; this is a grocery run, well sort of, more the precooked variety, aka fast food. I?m in line and a guy starts showing me photos of his buddies GT40, yes I have one of those too! We continue the car related chat out into the parking lot and part ways new friends, who said gasoline cars are a dying breed, there?s nothing to get excited about an electric motor! (Ooh another more subtle pun). I linger as the final few get there photo shot from just the right angle, after all who wants to be tagged in a less than perfect photo on FB!
> 
> I head home via the Freeway to be able to open her up a little, but the downside is it?s over all too soon, before I know it I'm home and eating dinner. Man that Panda Express tasted good?.not because it?s a quality meal simply because of the pleasure it brought me to be out in the Pantera again, why did I wait so long dammit!
> 
> Who the f*^k said fast food isn?t good for you!
> 
> 
> Julian
> -------------- next part --------------
>   Having now made a commitment to Mark Charlton for him to ride shotgun
>   in Monterey and yesterday also having purchased a Concorso Italiano
>   ticket, last night I thought I'd better check I have a car to take!
>   It's been well over 9 months since the GT5 has seen the light of day,
>   in fact I can't actually recall when I drove it last, not since I
>   started the new job last October, so in all honesty probably Monterey
>   last year!
>   I dug my way through all the crap that had accumulated in that space
>   between the front of it and the garage door, moving a scooter (pit
>   bike) that didn't want to start, with thoughts of "so this is the way
>   the evening is going to go" already crossing my mind... I ducked and
>   shimmied myself between the car and lift careful not to bump my head,
>   which I have done so many times I've lost count and I'm sure I have a
>   permanent dimple to prove it (some might say brain damage). I
>   disconnected the trickle charger, pulled the cover and even more
>   awkwardly squeezed into the car with the driver's door partially open,
>   feet first into the foot well. Once in it felt much like it does
>   pulling on my helmet at the race track; snug and reassuring with a
>   sense of anticipation and trace of nervousness. It took a little time
>   to prime the carb via the mechanical pump, but eventually she sputtered
>   into life, quickly filling the garage with those ever recognizable
>   fumes of overly rich partially burnt gas mixed with accumulated
>   cobwebs/dust being burnt off of hot surfaces.
>   Carefully I edged her out of the garage and just sat and savored the
>   moment while she got warm enough to idle, albeit somewhat rough, kind
>   of like an old man the morning after a night of debauchery. I ran
>   inside to find the registration tag and insurance card to replace those
>   that had long since expired. Finally laid my hands on the tag, right
>   along with the new plates; WTF why do I need mandatory replacement
>   plates on my cars every 7 years? That's the craziest money grabbing
>   stint ever heard of; but wait, Nevada has transitioned back to stamped
>   plates that the prisoners crank out rather than the decal style (which
>   they introduced to save money at the prisons). They do look so much
>   better, so I shouldn't complain for $7 a pair and I get a garage wall
>   ornament of the old plates to boot. I digress, and my car is idling in
>   the driveway, waiting like the caged Panther it is to be released into
>   its predatory hunting grounds, ready to pounce on unsuspecting coffee
>   can rice burners that have a notion that a 70's car can't be both fast
>   and cool.
>   But this is no ordinary 70's styling (albeit in my case with a touch of
>   80's flare - literally); I can feel the heads turning, eyes staring as
>   soon as I round the corner from my neighborhood onto the main street. A
>   guy in a big RAM truck rolls coal from his diesel pulling away from the
>   first light in an effort to impress me. I cut through that crap in an
>   instant and leave him wondering. The lights are against me as we pull
>   up to the next one and he's rolling down his window excited like a kid
>   at Christmas, I honestly at one point thought he may be going to
>   propose he was so enamored.
>   The other side I have a Jeep SR8, the Pantera is physically rocking as
>   the idle is set a little low, I feather the throttle and it's enough to
>   make him think twice, maybe he had seen what happened to the RAM,
>   sheepishly he pulls away (ewe that was a bad pun).
>   It's a similar story at each light, I'm wondering if some whizz kid out
>   there has an app that changes lights to red just to get another glimpse
>   of this beauty. I look in the rear view mirror and over the vibrating
>   air cleaner I see the Lexus behind me has a Mom driving and son in the
>   passenger seat both with their noses stuck to the windshield, tongues
>   hanging out and eyes squinting trying to read the script on the rear of
>   the Pantera. I don't know if they got it, but if that kid wasn't the
>   one with the traffic light app I'm damn sure he's on Google now and we
>   are about to have one more convert to the fold.
>   I pull into the small mall and there's a flurry of activity, smart
>   phones come out faster than I can answer the questions. Its amazing
>   kids nowadays can draw a smartphone, take a photo and upload it to
>   Facebook quicker than a cowboy could get his finger on the trigger of a
>   six shooter. But I'm not here to showboat; this is a grocery run, well
>   sort of, more the precooked variety, aka fast food. I'm in line and a
>   guy starts showing me photos of his buddies GT40, yes I have one of
>   those too! We continue the car related chat out into the parking lot
>   and part ways new friends, who said gasoline cars are a dying breed,
>   there's nothing to get excited about an electric motor! (Ooh another
>   more subtle pun). I linger as the final few get there photo shot from
>   just the right angle, after all who wants to be tagged in a less than
>   perfect photo on FB!
>   I head home via the Freeway to be able to open her up a little, but the
>   downside is it's over all too soon, before I know it I'm home and
>   eating dinner. Man that Panda Express tasted good....not because it's a
>   quality meal simply because of the pleasure it brought me to be out in
>   the Pantera again, why did I wait so long dammit!
>   Who the f*^k said fast food isn't good for you!
> 
>   Julian
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