[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 158, Issue 2
Owen Cooke
owen at tadhgcooke.com
Wed Aug 2 12:05:56 EDT 2017
I have had old cars with a/c for many years
it is clear that unless used quite regularly a/c will leak gas so while
i have the a/c machinery on the cars for appearance , i dont gas them
up anymore and this includes my pantera
owen cooke
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> 1. Re: What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger' (Jerry Knotts)
> 2. Re: What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger' (Jerry Knotts)
> 3. Re: What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger'
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> 4. What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger' (Larry Finch)
> 5. Stoptech rotor scrape (audionut at hushmail.com)
> 6. Re: Stoptech rotor scrape (Dave Londry)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 11:07:07 -0500
> From: Jerry Knotts <knottsj at galstar.com>
> To: Thomas T?rnblom <tipo874 at gmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger'
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> The compressor failures have been on the LS. My Pantera problems so far
> have been that the R-12 sets itself free after about a summer.
>
>
> On 8/1/2017 9:35 AM, Thomas T?rnblom wrote:
>> While I'm not an A/C guy, I think your problem lies elsewhere.
>>
>> My car came with what many describes as a "rotary" compressor (which it really isn't) and I got the old York with it, which had seized.
>>
>> The system was dry and I had it converted to R134a, and it worked great for two seasons, then it was empty again. After filling the system every other year I finally found out that the compressor gaskets were not R134a compatible and the refrigerant would leak through the gaskets.
>>
>> I bought a new Sanden 508 made for R134a and it has been working great ever since.
>>
>> What I want to say is that there is no reason that the compressors should fail in the valves on a Pantera unless there is some other problem in the system, like debris from a previous compressor failure.
>>
>> I have never heard anyone going through multiple compressor failures on a Pantera.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>> 1 aug. 2017 kl. 15:15 skrev Jerry Knotts <knottsj at galstar.com>:
>>>
>>> The compressors have been failing at the reed valves. The system has to be flushed and a new dryer installed each time a compressor is changed.
>>>
>>>> On 7/31/2017 10:51 PM, The Hougans wrote:
>>>> Hmm, how did the original compressor fail?
>>>> I have heard that if it "came apart" there can be bits of metal left all
>>>> over the system which will quickly destroy a new compressor's valves...or
>>>> worse.
>>>> FWIW, no personal experience.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]On
>>>> Behalf Of Jerry Knotts
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 7:06 PM
>>>> To: DeTomaso list new
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have been having trouble with my air in my LS powered RX-7. I have
>>>> been through 3 different mechanics and compressors in the last 2 years.
>>>> A good friend and retired mechanic mentioned the other day I might want
>>>> to look into a 'Slugger' in conjunction with my next compressor and
>>>> dryer install. A 'Slugger' is a small electronic device to vary the
>>>> ground and applied voltage to a compressor on initial start of the
>>>> compressor. He claims that the oil will build up and drain back into a
>>>> low mounted a/c compressor after it sits idle for a while. The same
>>>> location as a GM LS install and also a Pantera.
>>>>
>>>> Was wondering if anyone had used one of these devices and if it has been
>>>> successful or not?
>>>>
>>>> Have had consistent problems with the air in the 'P' cars but hasn't
>>>> been attributable to the compressor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They are only about 35 bucks on e-play, so I am thinking about trying to
>>>> save the valves in the new compressor.
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering?
>>>>
>>>> jerry knotts
>>>>
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> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 11:17:02 -0500
> From: Jerry Knotts <knottsj at galstar.com>
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger'
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> I have to agree with the small difference in weight between the 2
> motors. I bought the car with the 13B crapped out. The LS is warmed
> over with intake, heads, throttle body, injectors and ECU programming
> via LS1 Edit. It also has a 125 wet shot.
> The LS1 will start from a stand still in 4th gear. The torque comes in
> about 2000 rpm. It dynos at 375 rear wheel hp, 365 ftlbs and gets
> 27mpg on the road. It has suspension upgrades that drop the car about 1
> and 1/2 inches, weighs about 2750 with the air and is fun to drive on
> the road at any speed. Never dynoed it with the wet shot but you can
> tell the difference. It is windowed from 3000 to 6100 rpm.
>
> On 8/1/2017 9:11 AM, George B wrote:
>> Actually a 13b is about 250lbs dry. An LS3 is only 375lbs dry (with
>> water pump, plastic intake, flex plate, balancer and valve covers with
>> coil packs). If you add the weight of the turbos, intercooler and
>> related plumbing/brackets to the rotory engine there really isn't all
>> that much difference in wieght.
>> The center if mass on the LS3 is also very low compared to most modern
>> engines. It doesn't have 4 heavy cams riding on top of the engine with
>> gigantic heads housing all of the extra valve train components.
>> Also, the LS3 has amasing amounts of torque right off idle and they are
>> extremely reliable if modified correctly. The 13b torque curve
>> resembles an old 2 stroke dirt bike engine.
>> I do agree that the rotory engine is a very different and very
>> interesting piece of equipment anyway.
>> George
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
>> Date: 8/1/17 12:46 AM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger'
>>
>> What did he do with the rotary? You can get 800 hp out of a rotary with
>> the turbo and it weighs half of an LS. :-)
>> [1]https://youtu.be/D9pNxV00tpA
>> If he still had the 13b I'll take it off his hands. :-)
>> Ed
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>> > On Jul 31, 2017, at 20:23, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
>> <byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Interesting....
>> > If the compressor is "oil locked", I wonder how does spinning about
>> 30 times
>> > in 1/2 second, cut it off for 1/2 second, before doing it again
>> actually
>> > helps.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On Behalf
>> > Of Jerry Knotts
>> > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 22:06 PM
>> > To: DeTomaso list new
>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger'
>> >
>> > Have been having trouble with my air in my LS powered RX-7. I have
>> > been through 3 different mechanics and compressors in the last 2
>> years.
>> > A good friend and retired mechanic mentioned the other day I might
>> want to
>> > look into a 'Slugger' in conjunction with my next compressor and
>> dryer
>> > install. A 'Slugger' is a small electronic device to vary the ground
>> and
>> > applied voltage to a compressor on initial start of the compressor.
>> He
>> > claims that the oil will build up and drain back into a low mounted
>> a/c
>> > compressor after it sits idle for a while. The same location as a GM
>> LS
>> > install and also a Pantera.
>> >
>> > Was wondering if anyone had used one of these devices and if it has
>> been
>> > successful or not?
>> >
>> > Have had consistent problems with the air in the 'P' cars but hasn't
>> been
>> > attributable to the compressor.
>> >
>> >
>> > They are only about 35 bucks on e-play, so I am thinking about trying
>> to
>> > save the valves in the new compressor.
>> >
>> > Just wondering?
>> >
>> > jerry knotts
>> >
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> I have to agree with the small difference in weight between the 2
> motors. I bought the car with the 13B crapped out. The LS is warmed
> over with intake, heads, throttle body, injectors and ECU programming
> via LS1 Edit. It also has a 125 wet shot.
> The LS1 will start from a stand still in 4th gear. The torque comes in
> about 2000 rpm. It dynos at 375 rear wheel hp, 365 ftlbs and gets
> 27mpg on the road. It has suspension upgrades that drop the car about
> 1 and 1/2 inches, weighs about 2750 with the air and is fun to drive on
> the road at any speed. Never dynoed it with the wet shot but you can
> tell the difference. It is windowed from 3000 to 6100 rpm.
> On 8/1/2017 9:11 AM, George B wrote:
>
> Actually a 13b is about 250lbs dry. An LS3 is only 375lbs dry (with
> water pump, plastic intake, flex plate, balancer and valve covers with
> coil packs). If you add the weight of the turbos, intercooler and
> related plumbing/brackets to the rotory engine there really isn't all
> that much difference in wieght.
> The center if mass on the LS3 is also very low compared to most modern
> engines. It doesn't have 4 heavy cams riding on top of the engine with
> gigantic heads housing all of the extra valve train components.
> Also, the LS3 has amasing amounts of torque right off idle and they are
> extremely reliable if modified correctly. The 13b torque curve
> resembles an old 2 stroke dirt bike engine.
> I do agree that the rotory engine is a very different and very
> interesting piece of equipment anyway.
> George
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ed Mendez [1]<edducati at mac.com>
> Date: 8/1/17 12:46 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." [2]<byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
> Cc: [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger'
>
> What did he do with the rotary? You can get 800 hp out of a rotary with
> the turbo and it weighs half of an LS. :-)
> [1][4]https://youtu.be/D9pNxV00tpA
> If he still had the 13b I'll take it off his hands. :-)
> Ed
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> > On Jul 31, 2017, at 20:23, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
> [5]<byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Interesting....
> > If the compressor is "oil locked", I wonder how does spinning about
> 30 times
> > in 1/2 second, cut it off for 1/2 second, before doing it again
> actually
> > helps.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [[2][6]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Jerry Knotts
> > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 22:06 PM
> > To: DeTomaso list new
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger'
> >
> > Have been having trouble with my air in my LS powered RX-7. I have
> > been through 3 different mechanics and compressors in the last 2
> years.
> > A good friend and retired mechanic mentioned the other day I might
> want to
> > look into a 'Slugger' in conjunction with my next compressor and
> dryer
> > install. A 'Slugger' is a small electronic device to vary the ground
> and
> > applied voltage to a compressor on initial start of the compressor.
> He
> > claims that the oil will build up and drain back into a low mounted
> a/c
> > compressor after it sits idle for a while. The same location as a GM
> LS
> > install and also a Pantera.
> >
> > Was wondering if anyone had used one of these devices and if it has
> been
> > successful or not?
> >
> > Have had consistent problems with the air in the 'P' cars but hasn't
> been
> > attributable to the compressor.
> >
> >
> > They are only about 35 bucks on e-play, so I am thinking about trying
> to
> > save the valves in the new compressor.
> >
> > Just wondering?
> >
> > jerry knotts
> >
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> From: "=?utf-8?Q?Thomas_T=C3=B6rnblom?=" <tipo874 at gmail.com>
> To: Jerry Knotts <knottsj at galstar.com>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger'
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>> 1 aug. 2017 kl. 18:07 skrev Jerry Knotts <knottsj at galstar.com>:
>>
>>
>> The compressor failures have been on the LS. My Pantera problems so far have been that the R-12 sets itself free after about a summer.
>>
>>
>>> On 8/1/2017 9:35 AM, Thomas T?rnblom wrote:
>>> While I'm not an A/C guy, I think your problem lies elsewhere.
>>>
>>> My car came with what many describes as a "rotary" compressor (which it really isn't) and I got the old York with it, which had seized.
>>>
>>> The system was dry and I had it converted to R134a, and it worked great for two seasons, then it was empty again. After filling the system every other year I finally found out that the compressor gaskets were not R134a compatible and the refrigerant would leak through the gaskets.
>>>
>>> I bought a new Sanden 508 made for R134a and it has been working great ever since.
>>>
>>> What I want to say is that there is no reason that the compressors should fail in the valves on a Pantera unless there is some other problem in the system, like debris from a previous compressor failure.
>>>
>>> I have never heard anyone going through multiple compressor failures on a Pantera.
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>>> 1 aug. 2017 kl. 15:15 skrev Jerry Knotts <knottsj at galstar.com>:
>>>>
>>>> The compressors have been failing at the reed valves. The system has to be flushed and a new dryer installed each time a compressor is changed.
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/31/2017 10:51 PM, The Hougans wrote:
>>>>> Hmm, how did the original compressor fail?
>>>>> I have heard that if it "came apart" there can be bits of metal left all
>>>>> over the system which will quickly destroy a new compressor's valves...or
>>>>> worse.
>>>>> FWIW, no personal experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]On
>>>>> Behalf Of Jerry Knotts
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 7:06 PM
>>>>> To: DeTomaso list new
>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger'
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Have been having trouble with my air in my LS powered RX-7. I have
>>>>> been through 3 different mechanics and compressors in the last 2 years.
>>>>> A good friend and retired mechanic mentioned the other day I might want
>>>>> to look into a 'Slugger' in conjunction with my next compressor and
>>>>> dryer install. A 'Slugger' is a small electronic device to vary the
>>>>> ground and applied voltage to a compressor on initial start of the
>>>>> compressor. He claims that the oil will build up and drain back into a
>>>>> low mounted a/c compressor after it sits idle for a while. The same
>>>>> location as a GM LS install and also a Pantera.
>>>>>
>>>>> Was wondering if anyone had used one of these devices and if it has been
>>>>> successful or not?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have had consistent problems with the air in the 'P' cars but hasn't
>>>>> been attributable to the compressor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They are only about 35 bucks on e-play, so I am thinking about trying to
>>>>> save the valves in the new compressor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just wondering?
>>>>>
>>>>> jerry knotts
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 13:00:57 -0700
> From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger'
> Message-ID: <7A23DCA4-AF66-49F0-86DD-E83EEF081E86 at aol.com>
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> Hmmmm?
>
> Four Seasons is a major A/C parts supplier. They offer three versions of what they call a ?deslugger?. ALL the listings for desluggers on eBay are for one of their three offerings.
>
> Two are listed for use on Denso S10 compressor, the other on a Honda scroll compressor. None listed for the stock York or the common Sanden rotary compressors.
>
> They all have four wires to connect. No wiring installation details on their site. How to install with our one-wire compressors?
>
> A search at autoacforum.com <http://autoacforum.com/> shows no postings for slugger or deslugger.
>
> The Pantera compressor has always been mounted low. I know of no history of failures attributed to ?slugging? or hydro-lock.
>
> My verdict: perhaps of value to the cars listed in ?applications? at the four seasons website.
>
> Of little or no value, and perhaps NOT advised??, for our York or Sanden compressors.
>
> My 2?
>
> Larry
> -------------- next part --------------
> Hmmmm...
>
> Four Seasons is a major A/C parts supplier. They offer three versions
> of what they call a "deslugger". ALL the listings for desluggers on
> eBay are for one of their three offerings.
>
> Two are listed for use on Denso S10 compressor, the other on a Honda
> scroll compressor. None listed for the stock York or the common Sanden
> rotary compressors.
>
> They all have four wires to connect. No wiring installation details on
> their site. How to install with our one-wire compressors?
>
> A search at [1]autoacforum.com shows no postings for slugger or
> deslugger.
>
> The Pantera compressor has always been mounted low. I know of no
> history of failures attributed to `slugging' or hydro-lock.
>
> My verdict: perhaps of value to the cars listed in "applications" at
> the four seasons website.
>
> Of little or no value, and perhaps NOT advised??, for our York or
> Sanden compressors.
>
> My 2-c-
>
> Larry
>
> References
>
> 1. http://autoacforum.com/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2017 15:31:48 -0700
> From: audionut at hushmail.com
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Stoptech rotor scrape
> Message-ID: <20170801223148.D73D94033B at smtp.hushmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hey guys--
> Just finished putting the left rotor on and the top forward edge of
> the caliper is scraping just a tiny bit on the rotor causing about a
> 1/8" thick scratch mark.
> As instructed by Mike D., I removed the stock shim between the caliper
> and it's mount. The rotor can be turned by hand but turning it is
> slightly more difficult than usual. Not sure if this is something
> that will simply grind away after a time or if I should get into
> filing down the caliper. John73L #5909
> Sent using Hushmail
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> Hey guys--
>
> Just finished putting the left rotor on and the top forward edge of the
> caliper is scraping just a tiny bit on the rotor causing about a 1/8"
> thick scratch mark.
>
> As instructed by Mike D., I removed the stock shim between the caliper
> and it's mount. The rotor can be turned by hand but turning it is
> slightly more difficult than usual.
>
>
>
> Not sure if this is something that will simply grind away after a time
> or if I should get into filing down the caliper.
>
>
>
> John
>
> 73L #5909
>
> Sent using Hushmail
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 16:14:31 -0700
> From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stoptech rotor scrape
> Message-ID: <edb1f5c6-c7c7-8969-18a4-66a2af2a23d1 at emspace.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>
> The caliper will expand radially when it heats up.
> You'll hate what it sounds like.
>
> dave
>
>
> On 8/01/17 3:31 PM, audionut at hushmail.com wrote:
>> Hey guys--
>>
>> Just finished putting the left rotor on and the top forward edge of the
>> caliper is scraping just a tiny bit on the rotor causing about a 1/8"
>> thick scratch mark.
>>
>> As instructed by Mike D., I removed the stock shim between the caliper
>> and it's mount. The rotor can be turned by hand but turning it is
>> slightly more difficult than usual.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure if this is something that will simply grind away after a time
>> or if I should get into filing down the caliper.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>> 73L #5909
>>
>> Sent using Hushmail
>>
>>
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> -------------- next part --------------
> The caliper will expand radially when it heats up.
> You'll hate what it sounds like.
>
> dave
>
>
> On 8/01/17 3:31 PM, [1]audionut at hushmail.com wrote:
>
> Hey guys--
>
> Just finished putting the left rotor on and the top forward edge of the
> caliper is scraping just a tiny bit on the rotor causing about a 1/8"
> thick scratch mark.
>
> As instructed by Mike D., I removed the stock shim between the caliper
> and it's mount. The rotor can be turned by hand but turning it is
> slightly more difficult than usual.
>
>
>
> Not sure if this is something that will simply grind away after a time
> or if I should get into filing down the caliper.
>
>
>
> John
>
> 73L #5909
>
> Sent using Hushmail
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 23:44:39 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
> To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Monterey Motorsport Reunion Trackside BBQ -
> Saturday 8/19/2016
> Message-ID: <1396672322.4441315.1501631079082 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> The Monterey Motorsports Reunion is fast approaching. All Pantera people and fellow gearheads are invited to my annual trackside BBQ at Laguna Seca, immediately following the races on Saturday, 8/19.
>
> If you'd like to relax and visit with Pantera friends and fellow gearheads after a full day at the races, come by and chill out with a beer, wine, chicken, tri-tip, and other good eats. On the other hand, you could spend an hour sitting in traffic waiting to exit Laguna Seca...????
>
> Anyway, please email me directly if you're planning to come so I know how much food to buy. Donations gratefully accepted.????
>
> Date: Saturday, August 20, 2016??
> Time: Immediately following the last race on Saturday??
> Location: Campsite #85 in Can Am Circle (2nd campsite on right as you enter the gate at the top of the hill from Highway 68). This is just up the hill from the corral, so leave your car in the corral and stroll on over to the BBQ.
> Map:??https://app.box.com/s/szp7ay2nerj9pbonxu13?
>
> I'll be flying a DeTomaso flag so we're easy to find. ??
>
> See you in Monterey!??
> Garth
> -------------- next part --------------
> The Monterey Motorsports Reunion is fast approaching. All Pantera
> people and fellow gearheads are invited to my annual trackside BBQ at
> Laguna Seca, immediately following the races on Saturday, 8/19.
> If you'd like to relax and visit with Pantera friends and fellow
> gearheads after a full day at the races, come by and chill out with a
> beer, wine, chicken, tri-tip, and other good eats. On the other hand,
> you could spend an hour sitting in traffic waiting to exit Laguna
> Seca...
> Anyway, please email me directly if you're planning to come so I know
> how much food to buy. Donations gratefully accepted.
> Date: Saturday, August 20, 2016
> Time: Immediately following the last race on Saturday
> Location: Campsite #85 in Can Am Circle (2nd campsite on right as you
> enter the gate at the top of the hill from Highway 68). This is just up
> the hill from the corral, so leave your car in the corral and stroll on
> over to the BBQ.
> Map:
> [1]https://app.box.com/s/szp7ay2nerj9pbonxu13
> I'll be flying a DeTomaso flag so we're easy to find.
> See you in Monterey!
> Garth
>
> References
>
> 1. https://app.box.com/s/szp7ay2nerj9pbonxu13
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 19:57:07 -0400
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> To: audionut at hushmail.com, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stoptech rotor scrape
> Message-ID: <26783c.3659d8fc.46b26f53 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>
> In a message dated 8/1/17 3:31:56 PM, audionut at hushmail.com writes:
>
>
> Hey guys--
> Just finished putting the left rotor on and the top forward edge of
> the caliper is scraping just a tiny bit on the rotor causing about a
> 1/8" thick scratch mark.
> As instructed by Mike D., I removed the stock shim between the caliper
> and it's mount. The rotor can be turned by hand but turning it is
> slightly more difficult than usual. Not sure if this is something
> that will simply grind away after a time or if I should get into
> filing down the caliper. John73L #5909
>
>>>> Hmm. I'm not quite where where your scraping is coming from, based on
> your description. Is the very outside of the rotor scraping on the
> underside of the caliper where the two caliper halves join? Or is the edge of the
> rotor (friction surface) touching the inside edge of the caliper somewhere?
>
> I just popped Lori's front wheel off for a look-see and measurement with
> feeler gauges. (See attached photo). There is .082? clearance between the
> top edge of the rotor and the underside of the caliper on the outermost
> side; there appears to be slightly more clearance on the innermost side.
> Although that's slightly less than stock, it's still a bunch of clearance, nearly
> 1/10th of an inch. If this is where you are having contact, I can't
> understand why. Numerous people have installed these rotors and I am not aware
> of anybody having any contact issues.
>
> Are you sure the caliper is what's touching the rotor? On another car,
> the tin splash shield that runs all the way around the back side of the rotor
> was slightly bent, and although it would clear the stock rotor, it touched
> the Stoptech rotor just slightly. Bending it back to its original shape sol
> ved that problem.
>
> If, in fact, your problem is due to contact in the area I'm referencing in
> the photo, then yes, you could probably clearance it using a small file with
> no ill effects.
>
> Note that in the photo, although it's difficult to see, the caliper is
> almost perfectly centered on the rotor. The stock shims had to be removed to
> achieve this due to the slightly different rotor offset. If your problem is
> that the caliper isn't centered on the rotor, then perhaps your inner
> bearing race inside the hub isn't fully seated. Did you install new bearings,
> or are you reusing your old ones? If they are new, that might be the
> problem. I would think that torquing the large nut (or rather, overtorquing it)
> might get the bearing to seat fully, but the better solution would be to
> remove the hub and make sure they are seated all the way.
>
> If the rotor is offset to the other side (that is, it is scraping on the
> inside edge of the caliper) then perhaps using the stock spacers will do the
> trick for you--you just gotta do what you gotta do to ensure the caliper is
> centered over the rotor side-to-side. If it's touching radially, then you
> may need to remove material from the center of the caliper as I said before.
> But still that seems pretty odd to me?.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> In a message dated 8/1/17 3:31:56 PM, audionut at hushmail.com writes:
> Hey guys--
> Just finished putting the left rotor on and the top forward edge of
> the caliper is scraping just a tiny bit on the rotor causing about a
> 1/8" thick scratch mark.
> As instructed by Mike D., I removed the stock shim between the caliper
> and it's mount. The rotor can be turned by hand but turning it is
> slightly more difficult than usual. Not sure if this is something
> that will simply grind away after a time or if I should get into
> filing down the caliper. John73L #5909
> >>>Hmm. I'm not quite where where your scraping is coming from, based
> on your description. Is the very outside of the rotor scraping on the
> underside of the caliper where the two caliper halves join? Or is the
> edge of the rotor (friction surface) touching the inside edge of the
> caliper somewhere?
> I just popped Lori's front wheel off for a look-see and measurement
> with feeler gauges. (See attached photo). There is .082a clearance
> between the top edge of the rotor and the underside of the caliper on
> the outermost side; there appears to be slightly more clearance on the
> innermost side. Although that's slightly less than stock, it's still a
> bunch of clearance, nearly 1/10th of an inch. If this is where you are
> having contact, I can't understand why. Numerous people have installed
> these rotors and I am not aware of anybody having any contact issues.
> Are you sure the caliper is what's touching the rotor? On another car,
> the tin splash shield that runs all the way around the back side of the
> rotor was slightly bent, and although it would clear the stock rotor,
> it touched the Stoptech rotor just slightly. Bending it back to its
> original shape solved that problem.
> If, in fact, your problem is due to contact in the area I'm referencing
> in the photo, then yes, you could probably clearance it using a small
> file with no ill effects.
> Note that in the photo, although it's difficult to see, the caliper is
> almost perfectly centered on the rotor. The stock shims had to be
> removed to achieve this due to the slightly different rotor offset. If
> your problem is that the caliper isn't centered on the rotor, then
> perhaps your inner bearing race inside the hub isn't fully seated. Did
> you install new bearings, or are you reusing your old ones? If they
> are new, that might be the problem. I would think that torquing the
> large nut (or rather, overtorquing it) might get the bearing to seat
> fully, but the better solution would be to remove the hub and make sure
> they are seated all the way.
> If the rotor is offset to the other side (that is, it is scraping on
> the inside edge of the caliper) then perhaps using the stock spacers
> will do the trick for you--you just gotta do what you gotta do to
> ensure the caliper is centered over the rotor side-to-side. If it's
> touching radially, then you may need to remove material from the center
> of the caliper as I said before. But still that seems pretty odd to
> mea|.
> Mike
> -------------- next part --------------
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 23:57:13 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
> To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Monterey Motorsport Reunion Trackside BBQ -
> Saturday 8/19/2016
> Message-ID: <1888099760.4434954.1501631834011 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> One more thing...
> For those attending Concorso Italiano, you may be able to come right in for the BBQ after Concorso, but no guarantees. A number of folks over the last 2 years came over after Concorso and drove right in - no one was checking passes after the races on Saturday - they were too busy managing the exiting traffic. A couple people said that someone at the gate asked for their tickets and they just pointed to our campsite and said "they're just coming for the BBQ, then leaving right after" and were let in. But again, it's a crap shoot. No guarantees that the folks manning the entrance booth will be so gracious. Not sure if SCRAMP is still running things...??
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017, 4:44:39 PM PDT, Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> The Monterey Motorsports Reunion is fast approaching. All Pantera people and fellow gearheads are invited to my annual trackside BBQ at Laguna Seca, immediately following the races on Saturday, 8/19.
>
> If you'd like to relax and visit with Pantera friends and fellow gearheads after a full day at the races, come by and chill out with a beer, wine, chicken, tri-tip, and other good eats. On the other hand, you could spend an hour sitting in traffic waiting to exit Laguna Seca...????
>
> Anyway, please email me directly if you're planning to come so I know how much food to buy. Donations gratefully accepted.????
>
> Date: Saturday, August 20, 2016??
> Time: Immediately following the last race on Saturday??
> Location: Campsite #85 in Can Am Circle (2nd campsite on right as you enter the gate at the top of the hill from Highway 68). This is just up the hill from the corral, so leave your car in the corral and stroll on over to the BBQ.
> Map:??https://app.box.com/s/szp7ay2nerj9pbonxu13?
>
> I'll be flying a DeTomaso flag so we're easy to find. ??
>
> See you in Monterey!??
> Garth
> -------------- next part --------------
> One more thing...
> For those attending Concorso Italiano, you may be able to come right in
> for the BBQ after Concorso, but no guarantees. A number of folks over
> the last 2 years came over after Concorso and drove right in - no one
> was checking passes after the races on Saturday - they were too busy
> managing the exiting traffic. A couple people said that someone at the
> gate asked for their tickets and they just pointed to our campsite and
> said "they're just coming for the BBQ, then leaving right after" and
> were let in. But again, it's a crap shoot. No guarantees that the folks
> manning the entrance booth will be so gracious. Not sure if SCRAMP is
> still running things...
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017, 4:44:39 PM PDT, Garth Rodericks
> <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
> The Monterey Motorsports Reunion is fast approaching. All Pantera
> people and fellow gearheads are invited to my annual trackside BBQ at
> Laguna Seca, immediately following the races on Saturday, 8/19.
> If you'd like to relax and visit with Pantera friends and fellow
> gearheads after a full day at the races, come by and chill out with a
> beer, wine, chicken, tri-tip, and other good eats. On the other hand,
> you could spend an hour sitting in traffic waiting to exit Laguna
> Seca...
> Anyway, please email me directly if you're planning to come so I know
> how much food to buy. Donations gratefully accepted.
> Date: Saturday, August 20, 2016
> Time: Immediately following the last race on Saturday
> Location: Campsite #85 in Can Am Circle (2nd campsite on right as you
> enter the gate at the top of the hill from Highway 68). This is just up
> the hill from the corral, so leave your car in the corral and stroll on
> over to the BBQ.
> Map:
> [1]https://app.box.com/s/szp7ay2nerj9pbonxu13
> I'll be flying a DeTomaso flag so we're easy to find.
> See you in Monterey!
> Garth
>
> References
>
> 1. https://app.box.com/s/szp7ay2nerj9pbonxu13
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 19:17:45 -0700
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: audionut at hushmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stoptech rotor scrape
> Message-ID: <80C971A5-96AE-4D04-943B-5049E2D45D04 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Yikes!
>
> Okay, that's really weird. I would guess you didn't clean up the mounting surface on the front of the hub, and corrosion buildup is preventing the rotor from seating on the hub properly. Either that or the inner bearing race isn't seated properly in the hub, so the hub is sticking out slightly.
>
> Or, you left the stock spacers in place which offset the caliper inboard?
>
> Don't start filing anything yet. Take it all apart and check everything carefully. I'm betting this is a minor installation error problem, easily resolved.
>
> Let us know what you find out!
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 1, 2017, at 18:54, audionut at hushmail.com wrote:
>>
>> So much for trying describe this without photos! Sorry guys--
>>
>> Okay here's 3 angles of the little rotor scratchers on the calipers that appear to be specifically designed to do just that.
>>
>> (It appears also that the rotors are not evenly centered inside the calipers)
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent using Hushmail
>> <IMG_3387.JPG>
>> <IMG_3388.JPG>
>> <IMG_3390.JPG>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 00:14:22 -0400
> From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
> To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stoptech rotor scrape
> Message-ID: <000001d30b45$d2548600$76fd9200$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> The photo's didn't make it for me, nor the archieve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 22:18 PM
> To: audionut at hushmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stoptech rotor scrape
>
> Yikes!
>
> Okay, that's really weird. I would guess you didn't clean up the mounting
> surface on the front of the hub, and corrosion buildup is preventing the
> rotor from seating on the hub properly. Either that or the inner bearing
> race isn't seated properly in the hub, so the hub is sticking out slightly.
>
> Or, you left the stock spacers in place which offset the caliper inboard?
>
> Don't start filing anything yet. Take it all apart and check everything
> carefully. I'm betting this is a minor installation error problem, easily
> resolved.
>
> Let us know what you find out!
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 1, 2017, at 18:54, audionut at hushmail.com wrote:
>>
>> So much for trying describe this without photos! Sorry guys--
>>
>> Okay here's 3 angles of the little rotor scratchers on the calipers that
> appear to be specifically designed to do just that.
>> (It appears also that the rotors are not evenly centered inside the
>> calipers)
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent using Hushmail
>> <IMG_3387.JPG>
>> <IMG_3388.JPG>
>> <IMG_3390.JPG>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 21:16:31 -0700
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
> Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stoptech rotor scrape
> Message-ID: <CB5B6C98-8E11-471E-BF64-B735224CFC28 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> They were probably too large and blocked by the system.
>
> They showed the caliper offset dramatically towards the inside of the car, so much so that the bottom of the caliper was grinding a groove into the bottom of the friction area on the outer surface of the disc, closest to the center of the disc....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 1, 2017, at 21:14, "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The photo's didn't make it for me, nor the archieve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 22:18 PM
>> To: audionut at hushmail.com
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stoptech rotor scrape
>>
>> Yikes!
>>
>> Okay, that's really weird. I would guess you didn't clean up the mounting
>> surface on the front of the hub, and corrosion buildup is preventing the
>> rotor from seating on the hub properly. Either that or the inner bearing
>> race isn't seated properly in the hub, so the hub is sticking out slightly.
>>
>> Or, you left the stock spacers in place which offset the caliper inboard?
>>
>> Don't start filing anything yet. Take it all apart and check everything
>> carefully. I'm betting this is a minor installation error problem, easily
>> resolved.
>>
>> Let us know what you find out!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2017, at 18:54, audionut at hushmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> So much for trying describe this without photos! Sorry guys--
>>>
>>> Okay here's 3 angles of the little rotor scratchers on the calipers that
>> appear to be specifically designed to do just that.
>>> (It appears also that the rotors are not evenly centered inside the
>>> calipers)
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent using Hushmail
>>> <IMG_3387.JPG>
>>> <IMG_3388.JPG>
>>> <IMG_3390.JPG>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 13:22:04 +0000
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>, Mike Drew
> <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stoptech rotor scrape
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>
> I received a single photo attached of caliper with rotor end clearance to caliper body annotated on it.
>
>
> Julian
>
> ________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 9:16 PM
> To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
> Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stoptech rotor scrape
>
> They were probably too large and blocked by the system.
>
> They showed the caliper offset dramatically towards the inside of the car, so much so that the bottom of the caliper was grinding a groove into the bottom of the friction area on the outer surface of the disc, closest to the center of the disc....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 1, 2017, at 21:14, "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The photo's didn't make it for me, nor the archieve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 22:18 PM
>> To: audionut at hushmail.com
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stoptech rotor scrape
>>
>> Yikes!
>>
>> Okay, that's really weird. I would guess you didn't clean up the mounting
>> surface on the front of the hub, and corrosion buildup is preventing the
>> rotor from seating on the hub properly. Either that or the inner bearing
>> race isn't seated properly in the hub, so the hub is sticking out slightly.
>>
>> Or, you left the stock spacers in place which offset the caliper inboard?
>>
>> Don't start filing anything yet. Take it all apart and check everything
>> carefully. I'm betting this is a minor installation error problem, easily
>> resolved.
>>
>> Let us know what you find out!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2017, at 18:54, audionut at hushmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> So much for trying describe this without photos! Sorry guys--
>>>
>>> Okay here's 3 angles of the little rotor scratchers on the calipers that
>> appear to be specifically designed to do just that.
>>> (It appears also that the rotors are not evenly centered inside the
>>> calipers)
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent using Hushmail
>>> <IMG_3387.JPG>
>>> <IMG_3388.JPG>
>>> <IMG_3390.JPG>
>> _______________________________________________
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> I received a single photo attached of caliper with rotor end clearance
> to caliper body annotated on it.
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 9:16 PM
> To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
> Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stoptech rotor scrape
>
> They were probably too large and blocked by the system.
> They showed the caliper offset dramatically towards the inside of the
> car, so much so that the bottom of the caliper was grinding a groove
> into the bottom of the friction area on the outer surface of the disc,
> closest to the center of the disc....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 1, 2017, at 21:14, "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
> > The photo's didn't make it for me, nor the archieve
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 22:18 PM
> > To: audionut at hushmail.com
> > Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stoptech rotor scrape
> >
> > Yikes!
> >
> > Okay, that's really weird. I would guess you didn't clean up the
> mounting
> > surface on the front of the hub, and corrosion buildup is preventing
> the
> > rotor from seating on the hub properly. Either that or the inner
> bearing
> > race isn't seated properly in the hub, so the hub is sticking out
> slightly.
> >
> > Or, you left the stock spacers in place which offset the caliper
> inboard?
> >
> > Don't start filing anything yet. Take it all apart and check
> everything
> > carefully. I'm betting this is a minor installation error problem,
> easily
> > resolved.
> >
> > Let us know what you find out!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Aug 1, 2017, at 18:54, audionut at hushmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> So much for trying describe this without photos! Sorry guys--
> >>
> >> Okay here's 3 angles of the little rotor scratchers on the calipers
> that
> > appear to be specifically designed to do just that.
> >>
> >> (It appears also that the rotors are not evenly centered inside the
> >> calipers)
> >>
> >> Thanks for the help.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent using Hushmail
> >> <IMG_3387.JPG>
> >> <IMG_3388.JPG>
> >> <IMG_3390.JPG>
> >
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