[DeTomaso] Techno question: setting the engine brace bar properly
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Fri Apr 21 14:28:05 EDT 2017
Chuck, you can try the doughnuts. But when I ran a Hall big-bore set a decade ago, the leverage from the mufflers against the header flanges was such that the doughnuts fractured, then pounded out in a few thousand miles. I substituted flat gaskets, then sold the mufflers & connecting pipes. Good luck- J Deryke
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From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
To: bill <bill at incendium.com>; 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.' <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 20, 2017 7:50 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: setting the engine brace bar properly
Dear Bill,
After I thrashed around, I found a old guy (my age!)
who was the owner-operator of an old school muffler shop. I took my
headers and he went in a back room and came out with exactly what I
wanted, but about 1/16" too big. I settled for slightly different
exhaust donut. He told me of a nearby parts store that had a lot of
exhaust gaskets and I went over. I bought a different pair of gaskets
that looked like they would work.
Back home I proceed to check the fitment with the
headers and exhaust. As I was rummaging around......what should I
find, but the missing gaskets that have worked for fifteen years! I
had squirreled them away from myself. Sigh.
I proceeded to check the internal diameters of the old
gaskets and the new ones. The old ones were a little smaller than the
exhaust I.D. but they fit better than the larger, newer gaskets that
looked like a less optimal seal at the junction.
So, I blew twenty dollars on two pairs of donut
exhaust gaskets that don't fit as well as my old ones. The old ones
are in place and the exhaust system is in place on the engine and in
the Pantera. A happy ending in my book until I fire up the engine and
start the debugging process.......but it is *always something*.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
From: bill at incendium.com [mailto:bill at incendium.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 9:11 PM
To: Charles Engles; 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'; detomaso at detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: setting the engine brace bar
properly
What about the exhaust system gaskets, what was the outcome ?
Cheers
Bill Moore
Calgary
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From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
Date: 2017-04-20 8:05 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: "'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'" <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>,
detomaso at detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: setting the engine brace bar
properly
Dear Joe,
That is *way* too serious.
Dr. Reality, Chuck Engles
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Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 2:03 PM
To: detomaso at detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: setting the engine brace bar
properly
I assume that setting the upper shock bracket centers for 800mm +/- 2mm
is
taking things to serious?
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Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 14:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: setting the engine brace bar
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Chuck,
You're close. Jack the car so the rear wheels are off the ground.
Install
bar and extend it so it is snug, pressing outward on both sides.
Tighten
everything down then lower the car....
Cheers!
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 20, 2017, at 23:28, [1]cengles at cox.net wrote:
> Dear Forum,
>
> After almost two years on the engine project, I am
about
> ready for the Pantera's tires to touch the ground again. IIRC, the
> proper tension on the engine brace bar(s) is done by loosening the
> brace bar and then lowering the Pantera onto the ground. Then with
the
> suspension loaded, the brace bar(s) are tightened down. The brace
> bar(s) with the central adjusting tension nut are made gently snug.
> Then you're done.
>
> Is that correct?
>
> Just checking, Chuck Engles
>
> PS: Bar(s) means exactly the big square steel brace with the
central
> adjusting nut plus an accessory smaller brace mounted lower and
behind
> the normal brace, just over the top of the ZF. {full disclosure}
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Chuck, you can try the doughnuts. But when I ran a Hall big-bore set a
decade ago, the leverage from the mufflers against the header flanges
was such that the doughnuts fractured, then pounded out in a few
thousand miles. I substituted flat gaskets, then sold the mufflers &
connecting pipes. Good luck- J Deryke
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
To: bill <bill at incendium.com>; 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'
<byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 20, 2017 7:50 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: setting the engine brace bar
properly
Dear Bill,
After I thrashed around, I found a old guy (my age!)
who was the owner-operator of an old school muffler shop. I took my
headers and he went in a back room and came out with exactly what I
wanted, but about 1/16" too big. I settled for slightly different
exhaust donut. He told me of a nearby parts store that had a lot of
exhaust gaskets and I went over. I bought a different pair of gaskets
that looked like they would work.
Back home I proceed to check the fitment with the
headers and exhaust. As I was rummaging around......what should I
find, but the missing gaskets that have worked for fifteen years! I
had squirreled them away from myself. Sigh.
I proceeded to check the internal diameters of the old
gaskets and the new ones. The old ones were a little smaller than the
exhaust I.D. but they fit better than the larger, newer gaskets that
looked like a less optimal seal at the junction.
So, I blew twenty dollars on two pairs of donut
exhaust gaskets that don't fit as well as my old ones. The old ones
are in place and the exhaust system is in place on the engine and in
the Pantera. A happy ending in my book until I fire up the engine and
start the debugging process.......but it is *always something*.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
From: [1]bill at incendium.com [[2]mailto:bill at incendium.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 9:11 PM
To: Charles Engles; 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'; [3]detomaso at detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: setting the engine brace bar
properly
What about the exhaust system gaskets, what was the outcome ?
Cheers
Bill Moore
Calgary
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From: Charles Engles <[4]cengles at cox.net>
Date: 2017-04-20 8:05 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: "'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'" <[5]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>,
[6]detomaso at detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: setting the engine brace bar
properly
Dear Joe,
That is *way* too serious.
Dr. Reality, Chuck Engles
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Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 2:03 PM
To: [8]detomaso at detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: setting the engine brace bar
properly
I assume that setting the upper shock bracket centers for 800mm +/- 2mm
is
taking things to serious?
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Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 14:20 PM
To: [10]cengles at cox.net
Cc: detomaso
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: setting the engine brace bar
properly
Chuck,
You're close. Jack the car so the rear wheels are off the ground.
Install
bar and extend it so it is snug, pressing outward on both sides.
Tighten
everything down then lower the car....
Cheers!
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 20, 2017, at 23:28, [1][11]cengles at cox.net wrote:
> Dear Forum,
>
> After almost two years on the engine project, I am
about
> ready for the Pantera's tires to touch the ground again. IIRC, the
> proper tension on the engine brace bar(s) is done by loosening the
> brace bar and then lowering the Pantera onto the ground. Then with
the
> suspension loaded, the brace bar(s) are tightened down. The brace
> bar(s) with the central adjusting tension nut are made gently snug.
> Then you're done.
>
> Is that correct?
>
> Just checking, Chuck Engles
>
> PS: Bar(s) means exactly the big square steel brace with the
central
> adjusting nut plus an accessory smaller brace mounted lower and
behind
> the normal brace, just over the top of the ZF. {full disclosure}
> _______________________________________________
>
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