[DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973
Steve Lisa
stevelisa at patentit.com
Mon Apr 17 21:22:18 EDT 2017
Asa Jay,
I would love to get set up with Team Pantera too. Can you help me get set
up? It seems everyone has an interest in your car!
Truly, after 28 years of racing, I have never seen such a "open" group
willing to share. After the last few days, I have become greatly relieved
to know that I don't have to reinvent anything -- it is here somewhere on
one of the Pantera Forums, and if not, just ask. I am so used to
rediscovering secrets -- what a unique group this! Had I know this before
hand, I would have paid more for the car. :)
If you and your son can make the next event, you are welcome to grab a
helmet and run the Time Trial group with your son. I am hoping the car
will surprise you. We are looking at either the June or August SCCA event
at PIR, depending on how our list of projects progresses.
One more question - I am about to pull the trigger on the GTS headers and
mufflers. I noticed an aftermarket header in the stack of spares that came
with the car. Any idea what it is?
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
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On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> Yes, its permissible to share a link. And the Team Pantera Racing web
> site also has a gallery. It might be cool to post some photos there too.
> I'd need to set you up with an account.
>
> Asa
>
>
> *Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks*
> On Apr 17, 2017, at 15:20, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am working on getting some photo's - believe it or not we were busy
>> enough that we didn't take any of our own!!! But, among the constant parade
>> of people gawking, there were a few photographers that stopped by and said
>> they snapped photo's during practice and qualifying. I am waiting on
>> getting some emails.
>>
>> Again, I am new to this process, but I have a dropbox folder that I am
>> keeping of the build, beginning after Asa Jay dropped 5533 off in Portland
>> last year. I am not anxious to make it uber-public, but I would happily
>> share it with the forum. Is that allowed?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
>> Direct: 312-320-5888 <(312)%20320-5888>
>>
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>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Steve the only things you did wrong was not to post sooner and not to post
>>> photos of your race. :-)
>>>
>>> Welcome
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry - Cleveland
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Steve Lisa
>>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:59 PM
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973
>>>
>>> This is my first post, so I hope I get it right. Let me know if I broke
>>> etiquette.
>>>
>>> So, we confirmed this weekend running in the Oregon SCCA Vintage group at
>>> PIR, that the original Pantera brakes are indeed lacking. Aside from brake
>>> issues, Asa Jay's old car ran well.
>>>
>>> The issue is that I am required to run the stock front and rear calipers if
>>> I want the car to be "dated" under the FIA Group 3 rules as of "1973." As
>>> best I can tell (and maybe I am wrong), the "big" calipers were not
>>> approved in Group 3 until 1974. However, it also appears, as best I can
>>> tell, that the 1973 FIA Group 3 rules allowed vented front and rear rotors
>>> in place of the original non-vented rotors. Unfortunately, slotted rotors
>>> are not allowed.
>>>
>>> I happily just bought two sets of Mike Drew's recently sourced
>>> vented/slotted rotors, which I will run on the front for now. Except for
>>> snooty events, there will be no issues doing so. But, I have a few
>>> questions for the experts here about some longer term concerns:
>>>
>>> 1. I eventually need to find vented but non-slotted front and rear
>>> rotors for the Pantera, as close as possible to what was run in the FIA
>>> Group 3 in 1973. Any ideas on where to find vented front and rear
>>> rotors
>>> that are equivalent to the 1973 FIA Group s rotors?
>>> 2. I would like something improved in place of the stock rear rotors
>>> while I am sourcing the proper vented rotors circa 1973. Any ideas?
>>> 3. What are the best race front and rear pads to run in the original
>>> calipers, and where do we get them? I am guessing Porterfield?
>>>
>>> Also, I want to again thank all those that tried to help us out last
>>> weekend when the Booster failed.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> S
>>> teve Lisa
>>>
>>> SN 5533
>>>
>>> Steve Lisa
>>> SN 5533
>>
>>
>>
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aAsa Jay,A
I would love to get set up with Team Pantera too.A Can you help me get
set up?A It seems everyone has an interest in your car!A
Truly, after 28 years of racing, I have never seen such a "open" group
willing to share.A After the last few days, I have become greatly
relieved to know that I don't have to reinvent anything -- ait is here
somewhere on one of the Pantera Forums, and if not, just ask.A I am so
used to rediscovering secrets -- what a unique group this!A Had I know
this before hand, I would have paid more for the car. A :)
If you and your son can make the next event, you are welcome to grab a
helmet and run the Time Trial group with your son.A I am hoping the
car will surprise you.A We are looking at either the June or August
SCCA event at PIR, depending on how our list of projects progresses.
One more question - I am about to pull the trigger on the GTS headers
and mufflers.A I noticed an aftermarket header in the stack of spares
that came with the car.A Any idea what it is?
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 312-320-5888
[1][SGL-Email-Logo.jpg]
Please note our new Scottsdale address.A Our phone and fax numbers
remain the same.
Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A |A A F:A 480.535.6628A
|A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
Chicago OfficeA |A P: 312.752.4357A |A F: 312.896.5633A |A A: 55 E.
Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
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On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Asa Jay Laughton
<[3]asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
Yes, its permissible to share a link.A And the Team Pantera Racing web
site also has a gallery.A It might be cool to post some photos there
too.A I'd need to set you up with an account.
Asa
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
On Apr 17, 2017, at 15:20, Steve Lisa <[4]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
I am working on getting some photo's - believe it or not we were busy
enough that we didn't take any of our own!!! But, among the constant parade
of people gawking, there were a few photographers that stopped by and said
they snapped photo's during practice and qualifying. I am waiting on
getting some emails.
Again, I am new to this process, but I have a dropbox folder that I am
keeping of the build, beginning after Asa Jay dropped 5533 off in Portland
last year. I am not anxious to make it uber-public, but I would happily
share it with the forum. Is that allowed?
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: [5]312-320-5888
<[6]http://www.patentit.com>
*Please note our new Scottsdale address. Our phone and fax numbers remain
the same.*
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9
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On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Larry - Ohio Time
<[12]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
wrote:
Steve the only things you did wrong was not to post sooner and not
to post
photos of your race. :-)
Welcome
Larry - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[13]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf Of Steve Lisa
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:59 PM
To: [14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973
This is my first post, so I hope I get it right. Let me know if I
broke
etiquette.
So, we confirmed this weekend running in the Oregon SCCA Vintage
group at
PIR, that the original Pantera brakes are indeed lacking. Aside from
brake
issues, Asa Jay's old car ran well.
The issue is that I am required to run the stock front and rear
calipers if
I want the car to be "dated" under the FIA Group 3 rules as of
"1973." As
best I can tell (and maybe I am wrong), the "big" calipers were not
approved in Group 3 until 1974. However, it also appears, as best I
can
tell, that the 1973 FIA Group 3 rules allowed vented front and rear
rotors
in place of the original non-vented rotors. Unfortunately, slotted
rotors
are not allowed.
I happily just bought two sets of Mike Drew's recently sourced
vented/slotted rotors, which I will run on the front for now. Except
for
snooty events, there will be no issues doing so. But, I have a few
questions for the experts here about some longer term concerns:
1. I eventually need to find vented but non-slotted front and rear
rotors for the Pantera, as close as possible to what was run in the
FIA
Group 3 in 1973. Any ideas on where to find vented front and rear
rotors
that are equivalent to the 1973 FIA Group s rotors?
2. I would like something improved in place of the stock rear rotors
while I am sourcing the proper vented rotors circa 1973. Any ideas?
3. What are the best race front and rear pads to run in the original
calipers, and where do we get them? I am guessing Porterfield?
Also, I want to again thank all those that tried to help us out last
weekend when the Booster failed.
Regards,
S
ateve Lisaa
SN 5533
Steve Lisa
SN 5533
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