[DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973

Mon Apr 17 19:52:01 EDT 2017

Yes, its permissible to share a link.  And the Team Pantera Racing web site also has a gallery.  It might be cool to post some photos there too.  I'd need to set you up with an account.

Asa

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On Apr 17, 2017, 15:20, at 15:20, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>I am working on getting some photo's - believe it or not we were busy
>enough that we didn't take any of our own!!! But, among the constant
>parade
>of people gawking, there were a few photographers that stopped by and
>said
>they snapped photo's during practice and qualifying.  I am waiting on
>getting some emails.
>
>Again, I am new to this process, but I have a dropbox folder that I am
>keeping of the build, beginning after Asa Jay dropped 5533 off in
>Portland
>last year.  I am not anxious to make it uber-public, but I would
>happily
>share it with the forum.  Is that allowed?
>
>Regards,
>
>Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
>Direct: 312-320-5888
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>On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Larry - Ohio Time
><Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Steve the only things you did wrong was not to post sooner and not to
>post
>> photos of your race. :-)
>>
>> Welcome
>>
>>
>> Larry - Cleveland
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf Of Steve Lisa
>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:59 PM
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973
>>
>> This is my first post, so I hope I get it right.  Let me know if I
>broke
>> etiquette.
>>
>> So, we confirmed this weekend running in the Oregon SCCA Vintage
>group at
>> PIR, that the original Pantera brakes are indeed lacking.  Aside from
>brake
>> issues, Asa Jay's old car ran well.
>>
>> The issue is that I am required to run the stock front and rear
>calipers if
>> I want the car to be "dated" under the FIA Group 3 rules as of
>"1973."  As
>> best I can tell (and maybe I am wrong), the "big" calipers were not
>> approved in Group 3 until 1974.  However, it also appears, as best I
>can
>> tell, that the 1973 FIA Group 3 rules allowed vented front and rear
>rotors
>> in place of the original non-vented rotors.  Unfortunately, slotted
>rotors
>> are not allowed.
>>
>> I happily just bought two sets of Mike Drew's recently sourced
>> vented/slotted rotors, which I will run on the front for now.  Except
>for
>> snooty events, there will be no issues doing so.  But, I have a few
>> questions for the experts here about some longer term concerns:
>>
>>    1. I eventually need to find vented but non-slotted front and rear
>>    rotors for the Pantera, as close as possible to what was run in
>the FIA
>>    Group 3 in 1973.  Any ideas on where to find vented front and rear
>> rotors
>>    that are equivalent to the 1973 FIA Group s rotors?
>>    2. I would like something improved in place of the stock rear
>rotors
>>    while I am sourcing the proper vented rotors circa 1973.  Any
>ideas?
>>    3. What are the best race front and rear pads to run in the
>original
>>    calipers, and where do we get them?  I am guessing Porterfield?
>>
>> Also, I want to again thank all those that tried to help us out last
>> weekend when the Booster failed.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> S
>> teve Lisa
>>
>> SN 5533
>>
>> Steve Lisa
>> SN 5533
>>
>>
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   Yes, its permissible to share a link.A  And the Team Pantera Racing web
   site also has a gallery.A  It might be cool to post some photos there
   too.A  I'd need to set you up with an account.

   Asa

   Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks

   On Apr 17, 2017, at 15:20, Steve Lisa <[1]stevelisa at patentit.com>
   wrote:

I am working on getting some photo's - believe it or not we were busy
enough that we didn't take any of our own!!! But, among the constant parade
of people gawking, there were a few photographers that stopped by and said
they snapped photo's during practice and qualifying.  I am waiting on
getting some emails.
Again, I am new to this process, but I have a dropbox folder that I am
keeping of the build, beginning after Asa Jay dropped 5533 off in Portland
last year.  I am not anxious to make it uber-public, but I would happily
share it with the forum.  Is that allowed?
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 312-320-5888
<[2]http://www.patentit.com>
*Please note our new Scottsdale address.  Our phone and fax numbers remain
the same.*
*Scottsdale Office* | *P*: 480.535.6656  |  *F:* 480.535.6628  |  *A:* 7689
East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
*Chicago Office *|* P:* 312.752.4357  |  *F:* 312.896.5633  |  *A:* 55 E.
Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
[3]www.PatentIt.com
This email is confidential and privileged, and intended only for the
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On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
wrote:

     Steve the only things you did wrong was not to post sooner and not
     to post
     photos of your race. :-)
     Welcome
     Larry - Cleveland
     -----Original Message-----
     From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
     Behalf Of Steve Lisa
     Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:59 PM
     To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     Subject: [DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973
     This is my first post, so I hope I get it right. Let me know if I
     broke
     etiquette.
     So, we confirmed this weekend running in the Oregon SCCA Vintage
     group at
     PIR, that the original Pantera brakes are indeed lacking. Aside from
     brake
     issues, Asa Jay's old car ran well.
     The issue is that I am required to run the stock front and rear
     calipers if
     I want the car to be "dated" under the FIA Group 3 rules as of
     "1973." As
     best I can tell (and maybe I am wrong), the "big" calipers were not
     approved in Group 3 until 1974. However, it also appears, as best I
     can
     tell, that the 1973 FIA Group 3 rules allowed vented front and rear
     rotors
     in place of the original non-vented rotors. Unfortunately, slotted
     rotors
     are not allowed.
     I happily just bought two sets of Mike Drew's recently sourced
     vented/slotted rotors, which I will run on the front for now. Except
     for
     snooty events, there will be no issues doing so. But, I have a few
     questions for the experts here about some longer term concerns:
     1. I eventually need to find vented but non-slotted front and rear
     rotors for the Pantera, as close as possible to what was run in the
     FIA
     Group 3 in 1973. Any ideas on where to find vented front and rear
     rotors
     that are equivalent to the 1973 FIA Group s rotors?
     2. I would like something improved in place of the stock rear rotors
     while I am sourcing the proper vented rotors circa 1973. Any ideas?
     3. What are the best race front and rear pads to run in the original
     calipers, and where do we get them? I am guessing Porterfield?
     Also, I want to again thank all those that tried to help us out last
     weekend when the Booster failed.
     Regards,
     S
     ateve Lisaa
     SN 5533
     Steve Lisa
     SN 5533
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