[DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973

Steve Lisa stevelisa at patentit.com
Mon Apr 17 18:59:37 EDT 2017


Thanks for that information.  I still may be ok with that - someone would
have to really want to see it to get that deep, and if they are - may
actually have something constructive and I can learn something.

Regards,

Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 312-320-5888

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On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Before posting for all and sundry I think you will find the forum is
> public domain, anyone can look in the archives (link at the bottom of each
> email) and see all postings, links, content etc.
>
>
> A quick Google search will lead anyone to the archives to mine the data
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> perceived use.
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>
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>
> Julian
> ------------------------------
> *From:* DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 17, 2017 3:37 PM
> *To:* Himes, Terry (397C)
> *Cc:* List DeTomaso Forum
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973
>
> I was just going to create a public link for the file on dropbox, and then
> share it on this forum only, with a simple request that we keep it on the
> forum.  Those with the link can view it directly on drop box.  My concern
> is that I am likely to make a bunch of mistakes building this car.  I very
> much encourage and welcome constructive comments and suggestions from the
> forum - but not that interested in criticism from the "outside world."
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> Direct: 312-320-5888 <(312)%20320-5888>
>
> <http://www.patentit.com>
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>
> *Please note our new Scottsdale address.  Our phone and fax numbers remain
> the same.*
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> 480.535.6628 <(480)%20535-6628>  |  *A:* 7689
> East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
>
> *Chicago Office *|* P:* 312.752.4357 <(312)%20752-4357>  |  *F:*
> 312.896.5633 <(312)%20896-5633>  |  *A:* 55 E.
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> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <
> terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> > Steve, I will chime in here.  The list will not work well for large
> > images.  I use smugmug.  It is a professional photo site.
> > Only about $40./year.  But they let you upload full resolution images and
> > will not corrupt them.  Most (all) the free sites
> > will dumb down all images.  So it depends on what you would like to make
> > available.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
> > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> >  stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> >
> > Terry W. Himes
> > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> > Dawn Spacecraft Team
> > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> > Phone: (818) 393-6261
> > Cell:     (818) 653-8213
> > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> > 🇺🇸
> >
> >
> > On 4/17/17, 3:20 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa" <
> > detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> > stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
> >
> >     I am working on getting some photo's - believe it or not we were busy
> >     enough that we didn't take any of our own!!! But, among the constant
> > parade
> >     of people gawking, there were a few photographers that stopped by and
> > said
> >     they snapped photo's during practice and qualifying.  I am waiting on
> >     getting some emails.
> >
> >     Again, I am new to this process, but I have a dropbox folder that I
> am
> >     keeping of the build, beginning after Asa Jay dropped 5533 off in
> > Portland
> >     last year.  I am not anxious to make it uber-public, but I would
> > happily
> >     share it with the forum.  Is that allowed?
> >
> >     Regards,
> >
> >     Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> >     Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> >     Direct: 312-320-5888 <(312)%20320-5888>
> >
> >     <http://www.patentit.com>
>
> Law Offices of Steven G. Lisa, LTD. | A Professional ...
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> High Performance Patent Law. The Law Offices of Steven G. Lisa, Ltd. is a
> unique patent law firm with the history, skill, experience and resources
> proven to succeed ...
>
>
>
> >
> >     *Please note our new Scottsdale address.  Our phone and fax numbers
> > remain
> >     the same.*
> >
> >     *Scottsdale Office* | *P*: 480.535.6656 <(480)%20535-6656>  |  *F:*
> 480.535.6628 <(480)%20535-6628>  |
> > *A:* 7689
> >     East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
> >
> >     *Chicago Office *|* P:* 312.752.4357 <(312)%20752-4357>  |  *F:*
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> >
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> >
> >     On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Larry - Ohio Time <
> > Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> >     wrote:
> >
> >     > Steve the only things you did wrong was not to post sooner and not
> > to post
> >     > photos of your race. :-)
> >     >
> >     > Welcome
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > Larry - Cleveland
> >     >
> >     > -----Original Message-----
> >     > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>] On
> >     > Behalf Of Steve Lisa
> >     > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:59 PM
> >     > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >     > Subject: [DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973
> >     >
> >     > This is my first post, so I hope I get it right.  Let me know if I
> > broke
> >     > etiquette.
> >     >
> >     > So, we confirmed this weekend running in the Oregon SCCA Vintage
> > group at
> >     > PIR, that the original Pantera brakes are indeed lacking.  Aside
> > from brake
> >     > issues, Asa Jay's old car ran well.
> >     >
> >     > The issue is that I am required to run the stock front and rear
> > calipers if
> >     > I want the car to be "dated" under the FIA Group 3 rules as of
> > "1973."  As
> >     > best I can tell (and maybe I am wrong), the "big" calipers were not
> >     > approved in Group 3 until 1974.  However, it also appears, as best
> I
> > can
> >     > tell, that the 1973 FIA Group 3 rules allowed vented front and rear
> > rotors
> >     > in place of the original non-vented rotors.  Unfortunately, slotted
> > rotors
> >     > are not allowed.
> >     >
> >     > I happily just bought two sets of Mike Drew's recently sourced
> >     > vented/slotted rotors, which I will run on the front for now.
> > Except for
> >     > snooty events, there will be no issues doing so.  But, I have a few
> >     > questions for the experts here about some longer term concerns:
> >     >
> >     >    1. I eventually need to find vented but non-slotted front and
> rear
> >     >    rotors for the Pantera, as close as possible to what was run in
> > the FIA
> >     >    Group 3 in 1973.  Any ideas on where to find vented front and
> rear
> >     > rotors
> >     >    that are equivalent to the 1973 FIA Group s rotors?
> >     >    2. I would like something improved in place of the stock rear
> > rotors
> >     >    while I am sourcing the proper vented rotors circa 1973.  Any
> > ideas?
> >     >    3. What are the best race front and rear pads to run in the
> > original
> >     >    calipers, and where do we get them?  I am guessing Porterfield?
> >     >
> >     > Also, I want to again thank all those that tried to help us out
> last
> >     > weekend when the Booster failed.
> >     >
> >     > Regards,
> >     >
> >     > S
> >     > teve Lisa
> >     >
> >     > SN 5533
> >     >
> >     > Steve Lisa
> >     > SN 5533
> >     >
> >     >
> >
> >
> >
>
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   Thanks for that information.A  I still may be ok with that - someone
   would have to really want to see it to get that deep, and if they are -
   may actually have something constructive and I can learn something.

   Regards,A
   Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
   Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
   Direct: 312-320-5888
   [1][SGL-Email-Logo.jpg]

   Please note our new Scottsdale address.A  Our phone and fax numbers
   remain the same.

   Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A  |A A F:A 480.535.6628A
   |A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260

   Chicago OfficeA |A P: 312.752.4357A  |A  F: 312.896.5633A  |A  A: 55 E.
   Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
   [2]www.PatentIt.com
   This email is confidential and privileged, and intended only for the
   recipient above. If you received this email in error, please destroy
   all copies of it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank you.
   On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Julian Kift
   <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

   Before posting for all and sundry I think you will find theA forum is
   public domain, anyone can look in the archives (link at the bottom of
   each email) and see all postings, links, content etc.

   A quick Google search will lead anyone to the archives to mine
   theA data for email addresses, phone numbers and any other posted
   content of perceived use.

   [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/pipermail/detomaso/

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Steve Lisa <[6]stevelisa at patentit.com>
   Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 3:37 PM
   To: Himes, Terry (397C)
   Cc: List DeTomaso Forum
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions - circa 1973
   A
   I was just going to create a public link for the file on dropbox, and
   then
   share it on this forum only, with a simple request that we keep it on
   the
   forum.A  Those with the link can view it directly on drop box.A  My
   concern
   is that I am likely to make a bunch of mistakes building this car.A  I
   very
   much encourage and welcome constructive comments and suggestions from
   the
   forum - but not that interested in criticism from the "outside world."
   Regards,
   Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
   Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
   Direct: [7]312-320-5888
   <[8]http://www.patentit.com>
   *Please note our new Scottsdale address.A  Our phone and fax numbers
   remain
   the same.*
   *Scottsdale Office* | *P*: [9]480.535.6656A  |A  *F:*
   [10]480.535.6628A  |A  *A:* 7689
   East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
   *Chicago Office *|* P:* [11]312.752.4357A  |A  *F:* [12]312.896.5633A
   |A  *A:* 55 E.
   Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
   [13]www.PatentIt.com

   [14]Law Offices of Steven G. Lisa, LTD. | A Professional ...
   [15]www.patentit.com
   High Performance Patent Law. The Law Offices of Steven G. Lisa, Ltd. is
   a unique patent law firm with the history, skill, experience and
   resources proven to succeed ...

   This email is confidential and privileged, and intended only for the
   recipient above. If you received this email in error, please destroy
   all
   copies of it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank you.
   On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <
   [16]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
   > Steve, I will chime in here.A  The list will not work well for large
   > images.A  I use smugmug.A  It is a professional photo site.
   > Only about $40./year.A  But they let you upload full resolution
   images and
   > will not corrupt them.A  Most (all) the free sites
   > will dumb down all images.A  So it depends on what you would like to
   make
   > available.
   >
   > Terry
   >
   >
   > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   >A  stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   >
   > Terry W. Himes
   > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   > Dawn Spacecraft Team
   > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   > Phone: [17](818) 393-6261
   > Cell:A A A A  [18](818) 653-8213
   > [19]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   > d--od-,
   >
   >
   > On 4/17/17, 3:20 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa" <
   > [20]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   > [21]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
   >
   >A A A A  I am working on getting some photo's - believe it or not we
   were busy
   >A A A A  enough that we didn't take any of our own!!! But, among the
   constant
   > parade
   >A A A A  of people gawking, there were a few photographers that
   stopped by and
   > said
   >A A A A  they snapped photo's during practice and qualifying.A  I am
   waiting on
   >A A A A  getting some emails.
   >
   >A A A A  Again, I am new to this process, but I have a dropbox folder
   that I am
   >A A A A  keeping of the build, beginning after Asa Jay dropped 5533
   off in
   > Portland
   >A A A A  last year.A  I am not anxious to make it uber-public, but I
   would
   > happily
   >A A A A  share it with the forum.A  Is that allowed?
   >
   >A A A A  Regards,
   >
   >A A A A  Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
   >A A A A  Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
   >A A A A  Direct: [22]312-320-5888
   >
   >A A A A  <[23]http://www.patentit.com>

   [24]Law Offices of Steven G. Lisa, LTD. | A Professional ...
   [25]www.patentit.com
   High Performance Patent Law. The Law Offices of Steven G. Lisa, Ltd. is
   a unique patent law firm with the history, skill, experience and
   resources proven to succeed ...

   >
   >A A A A  *Please note our new Scottsdale address.A  Our phone and fax
   numbers
   > remain
   >A A A A  the same.*
   >
   >A A A A  *Scottsdale Office* | *P*: [26]480.535.6656A  |A  *F:*
   [27]480.535.6628A  |
   > *A:* 7689
   >A A A A  East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
   >
   >A A A A  *Chicago Office *|* P:* [28]312.752.4357A  |A  *F:*
   [29]312.896.5633A  |A  *A:*
   > 55 E.
   >A A A A  Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
   >A A A A  [30]www.PatentIt.com

   [31]Law Offices of Steven G. Lisa, LTD. | A Professional ...
   [32]www.patentit.com
   High Performance Patent Law. The Law Offices of Steven G. Lisa, Ltd. is
   a unique patent law firm with the history, skill, experience and
   resources proven to succeed ...

   >
   >A A A A  This email is confidential and privileged, and intended only
   for the
   >A A A A  recipient above. If you received this email in error, please
   destroy
   > all
   >A A A A  copies of it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank
   you.
   >
   >
   >A A A A  On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Larry - Ohio Time <
   > [33]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
   >A A A A  wrote:
   >
   >A A A A  > Steve the only things you did wrong was not to post sooner
   and not
   > to post
   >A A A A  > photos of your race. :-)
   >A A A A  >
   >A A A A  > Welcome
   >A A A A  >
   >A A A A  >
   >A A A A  > Larry - Cleveland
   >A A A A  >
   >A A A A  > -----Original Message-----
   >A A A A  > From: DeTomaso [[34]mailto:detomaso-bounces@
   server.detomasolist.com] On
   >A A A A  > Behalf Of Steve Lisa
   >A A A A  > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 5:59 PM
   >A A A A  > To: [35]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >A A A A  > Subject: [DeTomaso] Some FIA Group 3 brake questions -
   circa 1973
   >A A A A  >
   >A A A A  > This is my first post, so I hope I get it right.A  Let me
   know if I
   > broke
   >A A A A  > etiquette.
   >A A A A  >
   >A A A A  > So, we confirmed this weekend running in the Oregon SCCA
   Vintage
   > group at
   >A A A A  > PIR, that the original Pantera brakes are indeed lacking.A
   Aside
   > from brake
   >A A A A  > issues, Asa Jay's old car ran well.
   >A A A A  >
   >A A A A  > The issue is that I am required to run the stock front and
   rear
   > calipers if
   >A A A A  > I want the car to be "dated" under the FIA Group 3 rules as
   of
   > "1973."A  As
   >A A A A  > best I can tell (and maybe I am wrong), the "big" calipers
   were not
   >A A A A  > approved in Group 3 until 1974.A  However, it also appears,
   as best I
   > can
   >A A A A  > tell, that the 1973 FIA Group 3 rules allowed vented front
   and rear
   > rotors
   >A A A A  > in place of the original non-vented rotors.A
   Unfortunately, slotted
   > rotors
   >A A A A  > are not allowed.
   >A A A A  >
   >A A A A  > I happily just bought two sets of Mike Drew's recently
   sourced
   >A A A A  > vented/slotted rotors, which I will run on the front for
   now.
   > Except for
   >A A A A  > snooty events, there will be no issues doing so.A  But, I
   have a few
   >A A A A  > questions for the experts here about some longer term
   concerns:
   >A A A A  >
   >A A A A  >A A A  1. I eventually need to find vented but non-slotted
   front and rear
   >A A A A  >A A A  rotors for the Pantera, as close as possible to what
   was run in
   > the FIA
   >A A A A  >A A A  Group 3 in 1973.A  Any ideas on where to find vented
   front and rear
   >A A A A  > rotors
   >A A A A  >A A A  that are equivalent to the 1973 FIA Group s rotors?
   >A A A A  >A A A  2. I would like something improved in place of the
   stock rear
   > rotors
   >A A A A  >A A A  while I am sourcing the proper vented rotors circa
   1973.A  Any
   > ideas?
   >A A A A  >A A A  3. What are the best race front and rear pads to run
   in the
   > original
   >A A A A  >A A A  calipers, and where do we get them?A  I am guessing
   Porterfield?
   >A A A A  >
   >A A A A  > Also, I want to again thank all those that tried to help us
   out last
   >A A A A  > weekend when the Booster failed.
   >A A A A  >
   >A A A A  > Regards,
   >A A A A  >
   >A A A A  > S
   >A A A A  > teve Lisa
   >A A A A  >
   >A A A A  > SN 5533
   >A A A A  >
   >A A A A  > Steve Lisa
   >A A A A  > SN 5533
   >A A A A  >
   >A A A A  >
   >
   >
   >

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