[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 35
jderyke at aol.com
jderyke at aol.com
Thu Sep 29 14:20:15 EDT 2016
Terry, quite a bit of the 'required' torque depends on what valve cover gaskets you use. The old stand-by- cork- will slowly crush down close to each bolt even if correctly torqued, which not only produces leaks, retightening also will eventually pinch the gaskett into pieces, making reuse or further retightening impossible. Too little torque plus blow-by can blow sections of gasket outside the covers, or sometimes suck pieces inside. It also depends on what valve covers you have; the OEM sheet steel ones are extremely flexible and really need large oblong washers under each bolt to spread the load. Cast aluminum ones are heavier and more rigid so bolt torque is effectively spread out. Overtorquing cast covers will break the bolts.
Neoprene gaskets can take a little more torque than cork before tightening will damage them. Its a toss-up as to whether the bolt will shear or the gasket will leak. Note- all the above also applies to oil pan gaskets. A couple of companies offer pre-formed silicone gaskets that are (maybe) infinitely reusable with a little RTV on one side. One type is lined with metal to prevent suck-in or blow-outs. They are expensive.
Good luck- J Deryke
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Carb (audionut at hushmail.com)
2. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
3. Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale - $1200
(Brent Stewart)
4. Re: Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale -
$1200 (JFFR)
5. Re: Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale -
$1200 (Mike Thomas)
6. Beautiful Gr4 clone for sale (Mike Drew)
7. Re: Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? (Guido deTomaso)
8. Re: Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
9. Original EU GTS for sale in Germany (Patrick HALS)
10. Re: Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale - Sale
Pending (Brent Stewart)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:59:11 -0700
From: audionut at hushmail.com
To: "Trip Owen" <lance730 at msn.com>, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Carb
Message-ID: <20160928175911.7F6D84010F at smtp.hushmail.com>
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Just bolted on Larry Stock's (Pantera Parts Connection) Quick Fuel 650
a few months ago and my stock motor loves it. Didn't have to adjust a
thing.
Sent using Hushmail
On September 27, 2016 at 3:29 PM, "Trip Owen" wrote:Can someone
suggest a carb. for stock 351 Cleveland with Edelbrock intake? My old
Holly is not delivering fuel -
I know its getting there - checked front float, was not
stuck.......did the usual - inline filter, pump check, carb.
filter........
don't want fancy upgrade - just plug and play is fine -
Trip
88' GT5S
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Just bolted on Larry Stock's (Pantera Parts Connection) Quick Fuel 650
a few months ago and my stock motor loves it. Didn't have to adjust a
thing.
Sent using Hushmail
On September 27, 2016 at 3:29 PM, "Trip Owen" <lance730 at msn.com> wrote:
Can someone suggest a carb. for stock 351 Cleveland with Edelbrock
intake? My old Holly is not delivering fuel -
I know its getting there - checked front float, was not
stuck.......did the usual - inline filter, pump check, carb.
filter........
don't want fancy upgrade - just plug and play is fine -
Trip
88' GT5S
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:21:25 -0700
From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
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Hey Larry - Did you get my letter (offline from The List) regarding my radiator/fans/shroud? If it jams you up - or whatever - I can post it here on The List.
Jack
#4348
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jack,
>
> You should be able to use the fans off the Fluidyne, if not we have our
> Maridyne system fans and our own bracket kit and if you need shrouds for a
> full lie-down system, we have those too. Typically we recommend our half
> Lay forward system which minimizes the thru air turbulence.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 11041B Defl. Rad. S.S. Lay down for kit $95.00
> 11042B Stainless deflector right $65.00
> 11043B Stainless deflector left $65.00
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 11055B Radiator Puller Fan Shroud SS Mounting brackets set of 3 $125.00
> 11055P PPC Puller Fans & Shroud Assy $325.00
>
>
>
> If the Hall Brass radiator has the stock quick 90 degree hard radiator
> tubes installed, you will not be able to mount a puller fan shroud under
> those tubes, if it has the straight out tubes then you can use 90 degree
> molded rubber hoses to clear the Puller shroud like your Fluidyne.
>
> Larry Stock
>
> Pantera Parts Connection LC
> 550 Mallory Way
> Carson City NV 89701
> www.PanteraParts.com
> PH 775-283-4411
> Fax 775-283-4410
> Cell 1-800-DeTomaso 800-338-6627
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>
>
> On 9/16/16, 9:29 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> demongusta at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators
>> - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted
>> brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit
>> it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am
>> fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an
>> ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran
>> my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the
>> Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
>> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are
>> suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
>> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and
>> Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they
>> said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match
>> for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part
>> number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
>> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>> jack
>> #4348
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:30:54 +0000 (UTC)
From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
To: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale
- $1200
Message-ID: <753450431.6325176.1475091054822 at mail.yahoo.com>
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All,.10 spoke 17" Billet aluminum wheels in EXCELLENT condition with virtually brand new Kumho Ecsta XS tires.?See: ?http://precisionproformance.com/superspoke.php.? - Front: 225/45 ZR17? - Rear: 315/35 ZR17.I'm in the SF Bay Area, but for you So-cal people I'll be in Santa Barbara on Nov 6th and can meet you there in the morning - can't beat free delivery!.I've also posted this on FaceBook -?https://www.facebook.com/groups/1107612195932654/permalink/1472243849469485/?sale_post_id=1472243849469485
.Let me know if you have any questions!!.brent..
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All,
.
10 spoke 17" Billet aluminum wheels in EXCELLENT condition with
virtually brand new Kumho Ecsta XS tires.
See: [1]http://precisionproformance.com/superspoke.php
.
- Front: 225/45 ZR17
- Rear: 315/35 ZR17
.
I'm in the SF Bay Area, but for you So-cal people I'll be in Santa
Barbara on Nov 6th and can meet you there in the morning - can't beat
free delivery!
.
I've also posted this on FaceBook -
[2]https://www.facebook.com/groups/1107612195932654/permalink/147224384
9469485/?sale_post_id=1472243849469485
.
Let me know if you have any questions!!
.
brent
.
.
References
1. http://precisionproformance.com/superspoke.php
2. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1107612195932654/permalink/1472243849469485/?sale_post_id=1472243849469485
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:19:35 -0700
From: JFFR <pantera at vtc.net>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for
sale - $1200
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Will these wheels fit a stock body car? If so, I am interested.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:23:54 -0700
From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
To: "'JFFR'" <pantera at vtc.net>, <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for
sale - $1200
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I know the tires will, so expect the wheels will. That's what's in the
picture
That's $200 for the wheels - those tires ran me $997 installed at Discount
tires when I put them on 6328 last year. Great tires, but not when it's
wet.
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328
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$1200
Will these wheels fit a stock body car? If so, I am interested.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 20:43:14 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Jim Wallace via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Beautiful Gr4 clone for sale
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Hi guys,
Longtime PCNC member Lee Hinkley has decided to sell his little-used Gr4 clone. This car was built 30 years ago but still looks terrific! He has an ad in the current PCNC newsletter which can be downloaded from www.panteraclubnorcal.com
Asking price is $90k but negotiable.
Happy shopping!
Mike
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 04:03:12 +0000 (UTC)
From: Guido deTomaso <guido_detomaso at prodigy.net>
To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>,
"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
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Late to the party but I can't believe the sheet metal valve covers are "pushing down" with ~4.5 tons of force.? Visualize lifting a 4.5 ton vehicle off the ground by?one valve cover ( hook a hoist to the oil filler hole ? )
I mean, come on.
GD
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
Not something I worked with, BUT
Assuming the valve cover gasket has an effective diameter of 23? and 0.3?
wide.
Using neoprene cork with 30% compression at 400 psi loading
The torque to provide 30% compression would be 4.7 ft-lbs.
Given the gasket will be compressing as the next bolt is tighten, several
passes at desired torque till no rotation would be needed.
Each of the 8 bolts would be pushing down 1,100 lbf for a total of 8,900 lbf
per valve cover
The ?normal? ?-20 torque resulting in a bolt loading of 45Kpsi (high grade
bolt) would be 6.3 ft-lbs?
Sort of a rule of thumb I have observed, If allen, using a long key with the
short arm for torquing, using the thumb and index finger only provides the
max torque
Sorry for my ramblings,
Joe
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Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 20:01 PM
To: 'detomasolist'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
I haven't been able to find on line, so if someone knows the dimensions of a
valve cover gasket (length, width, width) I would appreciate.
I am now curious and need to calculate!
BTW, 10ft-lbs just for a 1/4-20 seems pretty high.? That should have the
bolt torque sufficient to prevent backing off (once retorqued after gasket
relaxed)
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 19:24 PM
To: detomasolist
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
My collection of other peoples Torque info, these 2 agree at 10 ft.lb.
Needs a 1/4 drive torque wrench - you're in the weeds with the tension
spring fully unwound if you use 3/8.
(I have a bunch nor added yet - another roundtuit job)
Dave
On 2016-09-14 12:36 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:
>? ? Hey Pantera Guru's,
>? ? I finally got to my Pantera last night. (work is getting in the way of
>? ? my fun!!)
>? ? Simple fix.? ALL my valve cover bolts were loose.? Every one of them.
>? ? I tightened them all
>? ? but didn't want to over tighten them.? Anyone know what the correct
>? ? torque should be?
>? ? I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for
>? ? clearance.
>? ? Your thoughts?
>? ? Terry
>
>? ? "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>
>? ? ? stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
>? ? Terry W. Himes
>
>? ? JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
>? ? Dawn Spacecraft Team
>
>? ? Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>
>? ? Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
>? ? Cell:? ? (818) 653-8213
>
>? ? Fax:? ? (818) 393-3147
>
>? ? [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
> References
>
>? ? 1.mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
>
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Late to the party but I can't believe the sheet metal valve covers are
"pushing down" with ~4.5 tons of force. Visualize lifting a 4.5 ton
vehicle off the ground by one valve cover ( hook a hoist to the oil
filler hole ? )
I mean, come on.
GD
__________________________________________________________________
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
Not something I worked with, BUT
Assuming the valve cover gasket has an effective diameter of 23a and
0.3a
wide.
Using neoprene cork with 30% compression at 400 psi loading
The torque to provide 30% compression would be 4.7 ft-lbs.
Given the gasket will be compressing as the next bolt is tighten,
several
passes at desired torque till no rotation would be needed.
Each of the 8 bolts would be pushing down 1,100 lbf for a total of
8,900 lbf
per valve cover
The anormala A 1/4-20 torque resulting in a bolt loading of 45Kpsi
(high grade
bolt) would be 6.3 ft-lbs
Sort of a rule of thumb I have observed, If allen, using a long key
with the
short arm for torquing, using the thumb and index finger only provides
the
max torque
Sorry for my ramblings,
Joe
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 20:01 PM
To: 'detomasolist'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
I haven't been able to find on line, so if someone knows the dimensions
of a
valve cover gasket (length, width, width) I would appreciate.
I am now curious and need to calculate!
BTW, 10ft-lbs just for a 1/4-20 seems pretty high. That should have
the
bolt torque sufficient to prevent backing off (once retorqued after
gasket
relaxed)
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 19:24 PM
To: detomasolist
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
My collection of other peoples Torque info, these 2 agree at 10 ft.lb.
Needs a 1/4 drive torque wrench - you're in the weeds with the tension
spring fully unwound if you use 3/8.
(I have a bunch nor added yet - another roundtuit job)
Dave
On 2016-09-14 12:36 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:
> Hey Pantera Guru's,
> I finally got to my Pantera last night. (work is getting in the
way of
> my fun!!)
> Simple fix. ALL my valve cover bolts were loose. Every one of
them.
> I tightened them all
> but didn't want to over tighten them. Anyone know what the
correct
> torque should be?
> I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for
> clearance.
> Your thoughts?
> Terry
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
>
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
>
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>
> [1][3]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
> References
>
> 1.mailto:[4]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 00:50:28 -0400
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Well, I have been known to provide answers with gross errors just to see if any one actually cares.
I just plugged the bolt sizes into calc sheet I had used for other gasketed joints. But as a sanity check here is a generic torque/clamping load chart for small bolts including ? 20
http://www.spaenaur.com/pdf/sectionD/D48.pdf
Joe/5177
From: Guido deTomaso [mailto:guido_detomaso at prodigy.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 0:03 AM
To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
Late to the party but I can't believe the sheet metal valve covers are "pushing down" with ~4.5 tons of force. Visualize lifting a 4.5 ton vehicle off the ground by one valve cover ( hook a hoist to the oil filler hole ? )
I mean, come on.
GD
_____
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
Not something I worked with, BUT
Assuming the valve cover gasket has an effective diameter of 23? and 0.3?
wide.
Using neoprene cork with 30% compression at 400 psi loading
The torque to provide 30% compression would be 4.7 ft-lbs.
Given the gasket will be compressing as the next bolt is tighten, several
passes at desired torque till no rotation would be needed.
Each of the 8 bolts would be pushing down 1,100 lbf for a total of 8,900 lbf
per valve cover
The ?normal? ?-20 torque resulting in a bolt loading of 45Kpsi (high grade
bolt) would be 6.3 ft-lbs
Sort of a rule of thumb I have observed, If allen, using a long key with the
short arm for torquing, using the thumb and index finger only provides the
max torque
Sorry for my ramblings,
Joe
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Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 20:01 PM
To: 'detomasolist'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
I haven't been able to find on line, so if someone knows the dimensions of a
valve cover gasket (length, width, width) I would appreciate.
I am now curious and need to calculate!
BTW, 10ft-lbs just for a 1/4-20 seems pretty high. That should have the
bolt torque sufficient to prevent backing off (once retorqued after gasket
relaxed)
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Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 19:24 PM
To: detomasolist
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
My collection of other peoples Torque info, these 2 agree at 10 ft.lb.
Needs a 1/4 drive torque wrench - you're in the weeds with the tension
spring fully unwound if you use 3/8.
(I have a bunch nor added yet - another roundtuit job)
Dave
On 2016-09-14 12:36 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:
> Hey Pantera Guru's,
> I finally got to my Pantera last night. (work is getting in the way of
> my fun!!)
> Simple fix. ALL my valve cover bolts were loose. Every one of them.
> I tightened them all
> but didn't want to over tighten them. Anyone know what the correct
> torque should be?
> I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for
> clearance.
> Your thoughts?
> Terry
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
>
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>
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>
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>
> [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
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>
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Well, I have been known to provide answers with gross errors just to
see if any one actually cares.
I just plugged the bolt sizes into calc sheet I had used for other
gasketed joints. But as a sanity check here is a generic
torque/clamping load chart for small bolts including 1/4 20
http://www.spaenaur.com/pdf/sectionD/D48.pdf
Joe/5177
From: Guido deTomaso [mailto:guido_detomaso at prodigy.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 0:03 AM
To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
Late to the party but I can't believe the sheet metal valve covers are
"pushing down" with ~4.5 tons of force. Visualize lifting a 4.5 ton
vehicle off the ground by one valve cover ( hook a hoist to the oil
filler hole ? )
I mean, come on.
GD
_______________________________________________________________________
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[1]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: [2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
Not something I worked with, BUT
Assuming the valve cover gasket has an effective diameter of 23" and
0.3"
wide.
Using neoprene cork with 30% compression at 400 psi loading
The torque to provide 30% compression would be 4.7 ft-lbs.
Given the gasket will be compressing as the next bolt is tighten,
several
passes at desired torque till no rotation would be needed.
Each of the 8 bolts would be pushing down 1,100 lbf for a total of
8,900 lbf
per valve cover
The "normal" 1/4-20 torque resulting in a bolt loading of 45Kpsi (high
grade
bolt) would be 6.3 ft-lbs
Sort of a rule of thumb I have observed, If allen, using a long key
with the
short arm for torquing, using the thumb and index finger only provides
the
max torque
Sorry for my ramblings,
Joe
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Behalf
Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 20:01 PM
To: 'detomasolist'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
I haven't been able to find on line, so if someone knows the dimensions
of a
valve cover gasket (length, width, width) I would appreciate.
I am now curious and need to calculate!
BTW, 10ft-lbs just for a 1/4-20 seems pretty high. That should have
the
bolt torque sufficient to prevent backing off (once retorqued after
gasket
relaxed)
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 19:24 PM
To: detomasolist
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
My collection of other peoples Torque info, these 2 agree at 10 ft.lb.
Needs a 1/4 drive torque wrench - you're in the weeds with the tension
spring fully unwound if you use 3/8.
(I have a bunch nor added yet - another roundtuit job)
Dave
On 2016-09-14 12:36 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:
> Hey Pantera Guru's,
> I finally got to my Pantera last night. (work is getting in the
way of
> my fun!!)
> Simple fix. ALL my valve cover bolts were loose. Every one of
them.
> I tightened them all
> but didn't want to over tighten them. Anyone know what the
correct
> torque should be?
> I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for
> clearance.
> Your thoughts?
> Terry
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
>
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
>
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>
> [1][5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
> References
>
> 1.mailto:[6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:24:28 +0200
From: Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Original EU GTS for sale in Germany
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Further to Mike Drew's post on the Forum, I informed about that red EU GTS
for sale at Thiesen in Hambourg. The manager is a real fan of panteras, and
has been racing factory 2873 at Le Mans Classic at least twice
The car was very clean, fully restored, and moderately priced for a Euro
GTS ( 119.000 euros, i.e. 133.500 USD )
The car sold in three days....
Best to all !
Patrick
Candy 2862 - ADA 9628 - EU GTS 2902
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Further to Mike Drew's post on the Forum, I informed about that red EU
GTS for sale at Thiesen in Hambourg. The manager is a real fan of
panteras, and has been racing factory 2873 at Le Mans Classic at least
twice
The car was very clean, fully restored, andA moderatelyA priced for a
Euro GTS ( 119.000 euros, i.e. 133.500 USD )A
The car sold in three days....A
Best to all !A
Patrick
Candy 2862 - ADA 9628 - EU GTS 2902
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 15:28:41 +0000 (UTC)
From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for
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.All,Thanks very much for all the interest! ?Perhaps I should have priced them a little higher :-).Anyway, I have a pending sale, but will let you know if anything changes..Thanks!brent.
On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:24 PM, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
I know the tires will, so expect the wheels will.? That's what's in the
picture
That's $200 for the wheels - those tires ran me $997 installed at Discount
tires when I put them on 6328 last year.? Great tires, but not when it's
wet.
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328
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.
All,
Thanks very much for all the interest! Perhaps I should have priced
them a little higher :-)
.
Anyway, I have a pending sale, but will let you know if anything
changes.
.
Thanks!
brent
.
On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:24 PM, Mike Thomas
<mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
I know the tires will, so expect the wheels will. That's what's in the
picture
That's $200 for the wheels - those tires ran me $997 installed at
Discount
tires when I put them on 6328 last year. Great tires, but not when
it's
wet.
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328
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Terry, quite a bit of the 'required' torque depends on what valve cover
gaskets you use. The old stand-by- cork- will slowly crush down close
to each bolt even if correctly torqued, which not only produces leaks,
retightening also will eventually pinch the gaskett into pieces, making
reuse or further retightening impossible. Too little torque plus
blow-by can blow sections of gasket outside the covers, or sometimes
suck pieces inside. It also depends on what valve covers you have; the
OEM sheet steel ones are extremely flexible and really need large
oblong washers under each bolt to spread the load. Cast aluminum ones
are heavier and more rigid so bolt torque is effectively spread out.
Overtorquing cast covers will break the bolts.
Neoprene gaskets can take a little more torque than cork before
tightening will damage them. Its a toss-up as to whether the bolt will
shear or the gasket will leak. Note- all the above also applies to oil
pan gaskets. A couple of companies offer pre-formed silicone gaskets
that are (maybe) infinitely reusable with a little RTV on one side. One
type is lined with metal to prevent suck-in or blow-outs. They are
expensive.
Good luck- J Deryke
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3. Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale - $1200
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4. Re: Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale -
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8. Re: Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
9. Original EU GTS for sale in Germany (Patrick HALS)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:59:11 -0700
From: [6]audionut at hushmail.com
To: "Trip Owen" <[7]lance730 at msn.com>,
[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Carb
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Just bolted on Larry Stock's (Pantera Parts Connection) Quick Fuel 650
a few months ago and my stock motor loves it. Didn't have to adjust a
thing.
Sent using Hushmail
On September 27, 2016 at 3:29 PM, "Trip Owen" wrote:Can someone
suggest a carb. for stock 351 Cleveland with Edelbrock intake? My old
Holly is not delivering fuel -
I know its getting there - checked front float, was not
stuck.......did the usual - inline filter, pump check, carb.
filter........
don't want fancy upgrade - just plug and play is fine -
Trip
88' GT5S
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Just bolted on Larry Stock's (Pantera Parts Connection) Quick Fuel 650
a few months ago and my stock motor loves it. Didn't have to adjust a
thing.
Sent using Hushmail
On September 27, 2016 at 3:29 PM, "Trip Owen" <[10]lance730 at msn.com>
wrote:
Can someone suggest a carb. for stock 351 Cleveland with Edelbrock
intake? My old Holly is not delivering fuel -
I know its getting there - checked front float, was not
stuck.......did the usual - inline filter, pump check, carb.
filter........
don't want fancy upgrade - just plug and play is fine -
Trip
88' GT5S
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:21:25 -0700
From: Jack Donahue <[11]demongusta at gmail.com>
To: Larry Stock <[12]larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: "[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
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Hey Larry - Did you get my letter (offline from The List) regarding my
radiator/fans/shroud? If it jams you up - or whatever - I can post it
here on The List.
Jack
#4348
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Larry Stock
<[16]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jack,
>
> You should be able to use the fans off the Fluidyne, if not we have
our
> Maridyne system fans and our own bracket kit and if you need shrouds
for a
> full lie-down system, we have those too. Typically we recommend our
half
> Lay forward system which minimizes the thru air turbulence.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 11041B Defl. Rad. S.S. Lay down for kit $95.00
> 11042B Stainless deflector right $65.00
> 11043B Stainless deflector left $65.00
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 11055B Radiator Puller Fan Shroud SS Mounting brackets set of 3
$125.00
> 11055P PPC Puller Fans & Shroud Assy $325.00
>
>
>
> If the Hall Brass radiator has the stock quick 90 degree hard
radiator
> tubes installed, you will not be able to mount a puller fan shroud
under
> those tubes, if it has the straight out tubes then you can use 90
degree
> molded rubber hoses to clear the Puller shroud like your Fluidyne.
>
> Larry Stock
>
> Pantera Parts Connection LC
> 550 Mallory Way
> Carson City NV 89701
> [17]www.PanteraParts.com
> PH 775-283-4411
> Fax 775-283-4410
> Cell 1-800-DeTomaso 800-338-6627
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/16/16, 9:29 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue"
> <detomaso-[18]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [19]demongusta at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
radiators
>> - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted
>> brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
admit
>> it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but
I am
>> fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is
an
>> ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but
I ran
>> my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but
the
>> Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
>> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
are
>> suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
>> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
and
>> Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since
they
>> said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect
match
>> for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a
part
>> number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
>> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>> jack
>> #4348
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:30:54 +0000 (UTC)
From: Brent Stewart <[22]bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
To: Detomaso Email List <[23]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale
- $1200
Message-ID: <[24]753450431.6325176.1475091054822 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
All,.10 spoke 17" Billet aluminum wheels in EXCELLENT condition with
virtually brand new Kumho Ecsta XS tires.?See:
?[25]http://precisionproformance.com/superspoke.php.? - Front: 225/45
ZR17? - Rear: 315/35 ZR17.I'm in the SF Bay Area, but for you So-cal
people I'll be in Santa Barbara on Nov 6th and can meet you there in
the morning - can't beat free delivery!.I've also posted this on
FaceBook
-?[26]https://www.facebook.com/groups/1107612195932654/permalink/147224
3849469485/?sale_post_id=1472243849469485
.Let me know if you have any questions!!.brent..
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All,
.
10 spoke 17" Billet aluminum wheels in EXCELLENT condition with
virtually brand new Kumho Ecsta XS tires.
See: [1][27]http://precisionproformance.com/superspoke.php
.
- Front: 225/45 ZR17
- Rear: 315/35 ZR17
.
I'm in the SF Bay Area, but for you So-cal people I'll be in Santa
Barbara on Nov 6th and can meet you there in the morning - can't beat
free delivery!
.
I've also posted this on FaceBook -
[2][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/1107612195932654/permalink/14722
4384
9469485/?sale_post_id=1472243849469485
.
Let me know if you have any questions!!
.
brent
.
.
References
1. [29]http://precisionproformance.com/superspoke.php
2.
[30]https://www.facebook.com/groups/1107612195932654/permalink/14722438
49469485/?sale_post_id=1472243849469485
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:19:35 -0700
From: JFFR <[32]pantera at vtc.net>
To: [33]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for
sale - $1200
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Will these wheels fit a stock body car? If so, I am interested.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:23:54 -0700
From: "Mike Thomas" <[35]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
To: "'JFFR'" <[36]pantera at vtc.net>,
<[37]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for
sale - $1200
Message-ID: <005501d219f0$251bf3c0$6f53db40$@comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I know the tires will, so expect the wheels will. That's what's in the
picture
That's $200 for the wheels - those tires ran me $997 installed at
Discount
tires when I put them on 6328 last year. Great tires, but not when it's
wet.
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328
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Will these wheels fit a stock body car? If so, I am interested.
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 20:43:14 -0700
From: Mike Drew <[42]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Beautiful Gr4 clone for sale
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Hi guys,
Longtime PCNC member Lee Hinkley has decided to sell his little-used
Gr4 clone. This car was built 30 years ago but still looks terrific! He
has an ad in the current PCNC newsletter which can be downloaded from
[45]www.panteraclubnorcal.com
Asking price is $90k but negotiable.
Happy shopping!
Mike
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 04:03:12 +0000 (UTC)
From: Guido deTomaso <[46]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net>
To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[47]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
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Late to the party but I can't believe the sheet metal valve covers are
"pushing down" with ~4.5 tons of force.? Visualize lifting a 4.5 ton
vehicle off the ground by?one valve cover ( hook a hoist to the oil
filler hole ? )
I mean, come on.
GD
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[51]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: [52]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
Not something I worked with, BUT
Assuming the valve cover gasket has an effective diameter of 23? and
0.3?
wide.
Using neoprene cork with 30% compression at 400 psi loading
The torque to provide 30% compression would be 4.7 ft-lbs.
Given the gasket will be compressing as the next bolt is tighten,
several
passes at desired torque till no rotation would be needed.
Each of the 8 bolts would be pushing down 1,100 lbf for a total of
8,900 lbf
per valve cover
The ?normal? ?-20 torque resulting in a bolt loading of 45Kpsi (high
grade
bolt) would be 6.3 ft-lbs?
Sort of a rule of thumb I have observed, If allen, using a long key
with the
short arm for torquing, using the thumb and index finger only provides
the
max torque
Sorry for my ramblings,
Joe
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Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 20:01 PM
To: 'detomasolist'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
I haven't been able to find on line, so if someone knows the dimensions
of a
valve cover gasket (length, width, width) I would appreciate.
I am now curious and need to calculate!
BTW, 10ft-lbs just for a 1/4-20 seems pretty high.? That should have
the
bolt torque sufficient to prevent backing off (once retorqued after
gasket
relaxed)
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[54]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 19:24 PM
To: detomasolist
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
My collection of other peoples Torque info, these 2 agree at 10 ft.lb.
Needs a 1/4 drive torque wrench - you're in the weeds with the tension
spring fully unwound if you use 3/8.
(I have a bunch nor added yet - another roundtuit job)
Dave
On 2016-09-14 12:36 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:
>? ? Hey Pantera Guru's,
>? ? I finally got to my Pantera last night. (work is getting in the
way of
>? ? my fun!!)
>? ? Simple fix.? ALL my valve cover bolts were loose.? Every one of
them.
>? ? I tightened them all
>? ? but didn't want to over tighten them.? Anyone know what the
correct
>? ? torque should be?
>? ? I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for
>? ? clearance.
>? ? Your thoughts?
>? ? Terry
>
>? ? "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>
>? ? ? stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
>? ? Terry W. Himes
>
>? ? JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
>? ? Dawn Spacecraft Team
>
>? ? Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>
>? ? Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
>? ? Cell:? ? (818) 653-8213
>
>? ? Fax:? ? (818) 393-3147
>
>? ? [1][55]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
> References
>
>? ? 1.[56]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
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Late to the party but I can't believe the sheet metal valve covers are
"pushing down" with ~4.5 tons of force. Visualize lifting a 4.5 ton
vehicle off the ground by one valve cover ( hook a hoist to the oil
filler hole ? )
I mean, come on.
GD
__________________________________________________________________
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[63]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: [64]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
Not something I worked with, BUT
Assuming the valve cover gasket has an effective diameter of 23a and
0.3a
wide.
Using neoprene cork with 30% compression at 400 psi loading
The torque to provide 30% compression would be 4.7 ft-lbs.
Given the gasket will be compressing as the next bolt is tighten,
several
passes at desired torque till no rotation would be needed.
Each of the 8 bolts would be pushing down 1,100 lbf for a total of
8,900 lbf
per valve cover
The anormala A 1/4-20 torque resulting in a bolt loading of 45Kpsi
(high grade
bolt) would be 6.3 ft-lbs
Sort of a rule of thumb I have observed, If allen, using a long key
with the
short arm for torquing, using the thumb and index finger only provides
the
max torque
Sorry for my ramblings,
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[65]mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 20:01 PM
To: 'detomasolist'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
I haven't been able to find on line, so if someone knows the dimensions
of a
valve cover gasket (length, width, width) I would appreciate.
I am now curious and need to calculate!
BTW, 10ft-lbs just for a 1/4-20 seems pretty high. That should have
the
bolt torque sufficient to prevent backing off (once retorqued after
gasket
relaxed)
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[66]mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 19:24 PM
To: detomasolist
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
My collection of other peoples Torque info, these 2 agree at 10 ft.lb.
Needs a 1/4 drive torque wrench - you're in the weeds with the tension
spring fully unwound if you use 3/8.
(I have a bunch nor added yet - another roundtuit job)
Dave
On 2016-09-14 12:36 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:
> Hey Pantera Guru's,
> I finally got to my Pantera last night. (work is getting in the
way of
> my fun!!)
> Simple fix. ALL my valve cover bolts were loose. Every one of
them.
> I tightened them all
> but didn't want to over tighten them. Anyone know what the
correct
> torque should be?
> I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for
> clearance.
> Your thoughts?
> Terry
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
>
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
>
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>
> [1][3][67]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
> References
>
> 1.[68]mailto:[4]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 00:50:28 -0400
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[85]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: <[86]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
Message-ID: <001601d21a0d$00beb180$023c1480$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Well, I have been known to provide answers with gross errors just to
see if any one actually cares.
I just plugged the bolt sizes into calc sheet I had used for other
gasketed joints. But as a sanity check here is a generic
torque/clamping load chart for small bolts including ? 20
[87]http://www.spaenaur.com/pdf/sectionD/D48.pdf
Joe/5177
From: Guido deTomaso [[88]mailto:guido_detomaso at prodigy.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 0:03 AM
To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; [89]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
Late to the party but I can't believe the sheet metal valve covers are
"pushing down" with ~4.5 tons of force. Visualize lifting a 4.5 ton
vehicle off the ground by one valve cover ( hook a hoist to the oil
filler hole ? )
I mean, come on.
GD
_____
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[90]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: [91]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
Not something I worked with, BUT
Assuming the valve cover gasket has an effective diameter of 23? and
0.3?
wide.
Using neoprene cork with 30% compression at 400 psi loading
The torque to provide 30% compression would be 4.7 ft-lbs.
Given the gasket will be compressing as the next bolt is tighten,
several
passes at desired torque till no rotation would be needed.
Each of the 8 bolts would be pushing down 1,100 lbf for a total of
8,900 lbf
per valve cover
The ?normal? ?-20 torque resulting in a bolt loading of 45Kpsi (high
grade
bolt) would be 6.3 ft-lbs
Sort of a rule of thumb I have observed, If allen, using a long key
with the
short arm for torquing, using the thumb and index finger only provides
the
max torque
Sorry for my ramblings,
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[92]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 20:01 PM
To: 'detomasolist'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
I haven't been able to find on line, so if someone knows the dimensions
of a
valve cover gasket (length, width, width) I would appreciate.
I am now curious and need to calculate!
BTW, 10ft-lbs just for a 1/4-20 seems pretty high. That should have the
bolt torque sufficient to prevent backing off (once retorqued after
gasket
relaxed)
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[93]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Dave Londry
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 19:24 PM
To: detomasolist
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
My collection of other peoples Torque info, these 2 agree at 10 ft.lb.
Needs a 1/4 drive torque wrench - you're in the weeds with the tension
spring fully unwound if you use 3/8.
(I have a bunch nor added yet - another roundtuit job)
Dave
On 2016-09-14 12:36 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:
> Hey Pantera Guru's,
> I finally got to my Pantera last night. (work is getting in the way
of
> my fun!!)
> Simple fix. ALL my valve cover bolts were loose. Every one of them.
> I tightened them all
> but didn't want to over tighten them. Anyone know what the correct
> torque should be?
> I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for
> clearance.
> Your thoughts?
> Terry
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
>
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
>
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>
> [1][94]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
> References
>
> 1.[95]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
>
>
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Well, I have been known to provide answers with gross errors just to
see if any one actually cares.
I just plugged the bolt sizes into calc sheet I had used for other
gasketed joints. But as a sanity check here is a generic
torque/clamping load chart for small bolts including 1/4 20
[102]http://www.spaenaur.com/pdf/sectionD/D48.pdf
Joe/5177
From: Guido deTomaso [[103]mailto:guido_detomaso at prodigy.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 0:03 AM
To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; [104]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
Late to the party but I can't believe the sheet metal valve covers are
"pushing down" with ~4.5 tons of force. Visualize lifting a 4.5 ton
vehicle off the ground by one valve cover ( hook a hoist to the oil
filler hole ? )
I mean, come on.
GD
_______________________________________________________________________
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[1][105]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: [2][106]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
Not something I worked with, BUT
Assuming the valve cover gasket has an effective diameter of 23" and
0.3"
wide.
Using neoprene cork with 30% compression at 400 psi loading
The torque to provide 30% compression would be 4.7 ft-lbs.
Given the gasket will be compressing as the next bolt is tighten,
several
passes at desired torque till no rotation would be needed.
Each of the 8 bolts would be pushing down 1,100 lbf for a total of
8,900 lbf
per valve cover
The "normal" 1/4-20 torque resulting in a bolt loading of 45Kpsi (high
grade
bolt) would be 6.3 ft-lbs
Sort of a rule of thumb I have observed, If allen, using a long key
with the
short arm for torquing, using the thumb and index finger only provides
the
max torque
Sorry for my ramblings,
Joe
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Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 20:01 PM
To: 'detomasolist'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
I haven't been able to find on line, so if someone knows the dimensions
of a
valve cover gasket (length, width, width) I would appreciate.
I am now curious and need to calculate!
BTW, 10ft-lbs just for a 1/4-20 seems pretty high. That should have
the
bolt torque sufficient to prevent backing off (once retorqued after
gasket
relaxed)
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Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 19:24 PM
To: detomasolist
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
My collection of other peoples Torque info, these 2 agree at 10 ft.lb.
Needs a 1/4 drive torque wrench - you're in the weeds with the tension
spring fully unwound if you use 3/8.
(I have a bunch nor added yet - another roundtuit job)
Dave
On 2016-09-14 12:36 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:
> Hey Pantera Guru's,
> I finally got to my Pantera last night. (work is getting in the
way of
> my fun!!)
> Simple fix. ALL my valve cover bolts were loose. Every one of
them.
> I tightened them all
> but didn't want to over tighten them. Anyone know what the
correct
> torque should be?
> I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for
> clearance.
> Your thoughts?
> Terry
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:24:28 +0200
From: Patrick HALS <[129]patrickhals at gmail.com>
To: [130]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Original EU GTS for sale in Germany
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Further to Mike Drew's post on the Forum, I informed about that red EU
GTS
for sale at Thiesen in Hambourg. The manager is a real fan of panteras,
and
has been racing factory 2873 at Le Mans Classic at least twice
The car was very clean, fully restored, and moderately priced for a
Euro
GTS ( 119.000 euros, i.e. 133.500 USD )
The car sold in three days....
Best to all !
Patrick
Candy 2862 - ADA 9628 - EU GTS 2902
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Further to Mike Drew's post on the Forum, I informed about that red EU
GTS for sale at Thiesen in Hambourg. The manager is a real fan of
panteras, and has been racing factory 2873 at Le Mans Classic at least
twice
The car was very clean, fully restored, andA moderatelyA priced for a
Euro GTS ( 119.000 euros, i.e. 133.500 USD )A
The car sold in three days....A
Best to all !A
Patrick
Candy 2862 - ADA 9628 - EU GTS 2902
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 15:28:41 +0000 (UTC)
From: Brent Stewart <[132]bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
To: "[133]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for
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.All,Thanks very much for all the interest! ?Perhaps I should have
priced them a little higher :-).Anyway, I have a pending sale, but will
let you know if anything changes..Thanks!brent.
On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:24 PM, Mike Thomas
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I know the tires will, so expect the wheels will.? That's what's in the
picture
That's $200 for the wheels - those tires ran me $997 installed at
Discount
tires when I put them on 6328 last year.? Great tires, but not when
it's
wet.
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328
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All,
Thanks very much for all the interest! Perhaps I should have priced
them a little higher :-)
.
Anyway, I have a pending sale, but will let you know if anything
changes.
.
Thanks!
brent
.
On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:24 PM, Mike Thomas
<[143]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
I know the tires will, so expect the wheels will. That's what's in the
picture
That's $200 for the wheels - those tires ran me $997 installed at
Discount
tires when I put them on 6328 last year. Great tires, but not when
it's
wet.
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
Yellow '74 #6328
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