[DeTomaso] Top of radiator connected to swirl tank (It doesn't go to the swirl tank)

Thu Sep 22 22:19:10 EDT 2016

Here's the other shots of my tanks.

These mods were fabricated up by W-Wadeco Inc. (Wade Musil of Tucson, AZ)

#8 shows the brass elbow on the top of the swirl tank.  The pressure cap was removed and the top sealed up.  Actually, Wade built me a complete new swirl tank.

#9 shows the two "inlet fittings" on the top of the expansion tank.  Wade fabricated this entire tank as well.

#10 shows the mounting in the bay.   The plumbing is not hooked up in this picture.

Chuck

Wade may be on this board.  If so, I want to thank him again for the fine work.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. [mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 1:19 PM
To: 'Guido deTomaso'; 'Chuck and Linda Huber'; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Top of radiator connected to swirl tank (It doesn't go to the swirl tank)

I am being serious this post...
I couldn't see the pics, but you confirmed how I thought Chuck had plumbed his tanks.
I agree that way provides active deaeration and it will be one of the few modifications I plan to include.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Guido deTomaso
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 15:59 PM
To: Chuck and Linda Huber; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Top of radiator connected to swirl tank (It doesn't go to the swirl tank)

This (below) is a genius modification, creating a true active deaeration system using suction from the water pump to continuously flow water through the expansion tank, drawing air from the high points in the system.
But how common, how many have built a system like this ?
The TSB modification, which some here ( Tomas? ) have confirmed was likely incorporated at the factory, connects the relatively high-pressure swirl tank to the lower-pressure radiator, so I conclude while the engine is running, nothing is going to flow from the radiator to the swirl tank, it's not going to actively de-aerate.  Initial fill, I can see it helping.  After that, I'm scratching my head.
Thanks,
GD

      From: Chuck and Linda Huber <lindahuber at cox.net>
 To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 7:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Top of radiator connected to swirl tank (It doesn't go to the swirl tank)

There is definitely a mod that sucks air from both the swirl tank, and the top of the radiator into the expansion tank.  The expansion tank is under suction, and this causes any trapped air to bleed to the expansion tank.

 I did this on my car.  

I believe that it does its job, especially of removing any trapped air from the radiator.

I had to run a new, separate metal hard line down the length of the car from near the front of the radiator, all the way back up the bulkhead past the electrics panel, to near the expansion tank.

Here are pictures of my tanks with the appropriate bleed fittings installed.

Chuck

I think Joe was just joking - His Coriolis post confused me...

-----Original Message-----
From: Owen Cooke [mailto:owen at tadhgcooke.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 5:45 AM
To: Julian Kift; Guido deTomaso; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Top of radiator connected to swirl tank, was Re:
DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19

Julian

yes you could be right  i need to check it all again

owen cooke

>
>
> On 21/09/2016 22:37, Guido deTomaso wrote:
> >
> >
> > "but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank"
> >
> > I'm kinda fascinated by this mod, which I believe is in the TSB's, 
> > connecting the top of the radiator to the swirl tank with a long 
> > hose.  Not sure how it works or what it was supposed to do.
> >
> > With a completely dry system, I can visualise how it would allow the 
> > radiator to fill completely, as air formerly trapped in the top of 
> > the radiator would have a path back to the swirl tank, a higher point.
> >
> > But once the engine is started, water or air is going to move from 
> > the swirl tank to the radiator, because of pressure difference. Not 
> > sure this is helpful but maybe isn't harmful.
> >
> > Most difficult to visualize, if the engine is off and there is air 
> > in the radiator, can the weight / head / row gee aych of the water 
> > in the swirl tank push the air into the swirl tank ?  Is there some 
> > Archimedes rule I'm not seeing here ?
> >
> > Also did any cars come from the factory this way, was there an 
> > official path and mounting systems for the hose ? Cable ties ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Guy D.
> >
> >

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