[DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud

Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. byrdjf at embarqmail.com
Tue Sep 20 13:00:06 EDT 2016


Thus it complies with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjGXn249Fc0


-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Donahue [mailto:demongusta at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:53 PM
To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud

“Blindspot” would work

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Technically, what should it be called?  A "sail" sounds too polite.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jack Donahue
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:04 PM
> To: Asa Jay Laughton
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud
> 
> And the rearview mirror must work good too. LOL
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Staying at Mad Dog's place in Fresno after the Silver State Classic
> Challenge and we watched this episode last night.
>> 
>> Mike, you hit it on the head.  I went to bed last night mulling over
> nearly all the same points.  I thought the install of the Ecoboost 
> actually looked pretty good, but butchering the decklid only to feed 
> hot air from the engine into the intercooler was really dumb.  It was 
> obvious they had no idea of the airflow in a Pantera and that became a 
> real detriment to their work.
>> 
>> I agree, I don't think it will sell very well at all.  If they had 
>> done
> something different with the intercooler so they didn't have to 
> butcher the decklid, I think it might have been a much better and more appealing build.
> However, I still think even then, it's not going to get near what they 
> were thinking.
>> 
>> I was actually disappointed in the show overall.
>> Asa  Jay
>> 
>> 
>> Quoting Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> Just saw the second show.
>>> 
>>> What is hilarious is that they didn't make it a sealed air intake 
>>> from
> the roof to the inter cooler. It's basically just a piece of metal 
> tacked to the decklid. These morons didn't even consider that airflow 
> goes from the bottom past the engine and out the top, so their scoop 
> is designed to capture superheated air and duct it to the intercooler!!!!!
>>> 
>>> They said they thought somebody would pay $200-300k for it. Yet as
> auction time drew near perhaps they started to realize how dumb they were.
> They finished it late, understandable enough. They could always have 
> entered it in the next BJ auction? But at the end of the show, there 
> is no talk of that. Instead there is whimpering, saying he has $100k 
> tied up in it and begging somebody to call him and buy it.
>>> 
>>> Jeff--I dare you to drive down there in your stock-looking white L 
>>> model,
> act interested, then ask them what it would take to return it to 
> stock! Tell them as a stock car it might be worth $70-75k but as it 
> stands, all the modifications have hurt the value by the cost it will take to undo them!
>>> 
>>> It's probably worth $30-40k if the stock engine, and all other parts 
>>> are included?  :)
>>> 
>>> I love the brakes though. Nice job with that Scott. :)
>>> 
>>> I grudgingly admit that the power train swap appears to have been 
>>> largely
> successful and it certainly is innovative. I seriously doubt they 
> saved an ounce of weight when you factor in the weight of all the 
> turbos, intercooler, electronics, massive wheels etc so in fact it's 
> probably heavier than stock too.
>>> 
>>> In the beginning they were claiming 600 hp was the target. Notice 
>>> how
> quiet things got at the end? No boasting of big power numbers. You 
> only need
> 200 hp to do donuts so that doesn't prove anything. It would be 
> interesting to learn what they actually achieved--other than wrecking 
> what would have been a lovely Pantera had it been restored, or even 
> modified to GT5 or GT5-S or something....
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:20, Ken Green via DeTomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Finally watched it.  I think the air scoop for the inter cooler is 
>>>> overkill.  The could use an air to water heat exchanger and cycle 
>>>> coolant to the nose.
>>>> Ken
>>>> 
>>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>>> 
>>>> From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>>>> To: 'Scott Bell' <scott at saccrestorations.net>; 
>>>> rfmccall at comcast.net;  "'Byrd, Joseph'" <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
>>>> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:13 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud - orange Pantera?
>>>> Did anybody notice in the background early in the episode what 
>>>> looks  like an orange Pantera in the background?  And what's with 
>>>> the Ferrari  sitting in a number of shots?
>>>> Mike T.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>>>> On  Behalf Of Scott Bell
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:18 PM
>>>> To: [2]rfmccall at comcast.net; 'Byrd, Joseph' 
>>>> <[3]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
>>>> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud  Hi Ron,  I don't 
>>>> know when the car was purchased but I know the build happened  in 
>>>> March of 2016. Given that these shows take time to put together, I 
>>>> would guess they had the car well before the build started. Good 
>>>> observation!
>>>> Scott
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>>>> On  Behalf Of [6]rfmccall at comcast.net
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:13 PM
>>>> To: Byrd, Joseph
>>>> Cc: Pantera Mail List
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud  Something that I 
>>>> found interesting is that while I was watching a  re-run of what my 
>>>> DVR says is Episode 6/Season 6( which is the first  part of the 
>>>> Ford GT build) and sure enough, the exact same white '72  Pantera 
>>>> in in the background in several of the shots. The show made it  
>>>> seem like they bought the car and started the build a few weeks later.
>>>> The Ford GT episode aired nearly a year ago so who knows when that 
>>>> build was filmed much less how long ago the Pantera was bought. 
>>>> That could explain the low purchase price.
>>>> Ron
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[7]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
>>>> To: "Pantera Mail List" <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 4:12:31 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud  During the design 
>>>> stage, air flow to the engine was considered.
>>>> I read there was a concern about having an air exit similar to the 
>>>> Mangusta because it would afrost overa and block flow
>>>> cid:[9]image001.png at 01D18958.40377A40
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
>>>> [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On  Behalf Of 
>>>> Larry Stock
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 15:22 PM
>>>> To: Ken Green; [11]rfmccall at comcast.net; gaino, bill
>>>> Cc: Email List Address For Posting; Larry Finch
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud  Since there is no 
>>>> real air flow around where they placed the After  Cooler, Maybe the 
>>>> air scoop is to create air flow to the after cooler  and NOT the 
>>>> engine, I would simply use electric fans for this, but they  ARE 
>>>> the Texas TV Experts, and I guess thatA^1s the way its done in  Texas.
>>>> Maybe our Pantera Boys in Texas need to give them some help  here. 
>>>> Since they also eliminated the trunk storage area, they must not 
>>>> see the need get out much.
>>>> Larry
>>>> On 9/14/16, 12:00 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso"
>>>> <
>>>> 
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>>>> 2
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>>>> [14]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
>>>> [15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>>> Getting cool air to the engine seems to be a difficult issue for a 
>>>>> Pantera if you don't want to alter the looks.  Has anyone seen a 
>>>>> solution that doesn't look like an after thought?
>>>>> Ken
>>>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: " <mailto:[16]rfmccall at comcast.net> [17]rfmccall at comcast.net"
>>>> <
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>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Here is a pic from 
>>>>> FB.
>>>>> Ron
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>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 1:41:18 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud The scoop looks 
>>>>> like it feeds the ZF.. Fugly  Bill 1362 [4]
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>>>>>> From: Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[5]
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>>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso]  Pantera on Fast & Loud
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am resending this screen capture from last nightas show, as my
>>>>> previous post seems to have lost its subject line.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please don't shoot the messenger.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Since Richard liked the Nike interior disaster on the Ring 
>>>>>> Brothers
>>>>> hack-job (at least enough to buy the thing), I imagine they will 
>>>>> F-up the interior of this Pantera to match their exterior 
>>>>> disfigurement.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am especially enamored with the tasteful deck lid cut-out
>>>>> necessitated by the taller 3.5L V6.
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