[DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions

Stephen steve at snclocks.com
Sun Sep 18 11:52:05 EDT 2016


IF you had just asked me I would have said wear products were the primary component.  But, being aware of how little I know (which is reinforced daily) I searched and found an SAE paper http://papers.sae.org/340090/

The abstract of which states:  SINCE it appeared reasonably certain that the key to the presence of sludge deposits, regardless of form, lies in the oxidation of the oil to give the small amounts of asphaltic substances which are inevitably present, the authors prepared the following paper to summarize and appraise the evidence on this point and to present a method for measuring oil stability.  After discussing sludge, its composition and effects, engine observations of oil oxidation are stated and the conclusions are reached: (a) that appreciable oxidation of each of the oils occurred in a 50-hr. run; that (b), variation in engine output markedly influenced oxidation of the oils while variation in sump temperatures did not; and (c), that even with the wide difference in the character of the oils used, chloroform insoluble material (“carbon”) did not vary greatly but appeared to be determined mainly by engine condition…  In conclusion it is said that the indication is that the formation of sludge in motor oils is due primarily to asphaltenes resulting from oxidation of the oil.

 

So, learned something today.  Now, off to change the oil in our SLK.

 

Stephen Nelson

 

 

From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:33 AM
To: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions

 

I wonder how that works with a synthetic oil?  I have drained synthetic oil that looks so good I feel guilty.  I have concluded that most or all the sludge is an oxidation product on non-synthetic oil.

 

Ken

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions


I'd say yes, we do need detergents in our drivers - otherwise there is
potential for laying down sludge in anywhere oil can settle...

Stephen Nelson


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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> ] On Behalf
Of Dave
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 5:32 AM
To: Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk <mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> >; Julian Kift
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions

Julian,
Is it true, racing oils, in general contain little to no detergents by
design? Racing oil is usually changed often, usually after each race and
detergents are not necessary. Street cars need detergents?

IndyDave

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From: Michael Barnes [mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk <mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> ]
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 4:12 PM
To: Julian Kift
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions

Thanks for that, I had no idea there were so many formulas

Sent from Michael's iPhone

On 17 Sep 2016, at 21:02, Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com> <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com> >> wrote:


The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to
comply with the mandated specs for street use.


The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the
0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF
rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings;


 <https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-spec> https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-spec
s-guide-2016.pdf


With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil
initially to get the rings seated etc.

Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions

So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My
engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One

Sent from Michael's iPhone

> On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry
<davel at emspace.com <mailto:davel at emspace.com> <mailto:davel at emspace.com <mailto:davel at emspace.com> >> wrote:
>
> Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6.
> It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
>
> And just to keep the discussion lively -
>
> ***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.***
> Dave
>
>
>> On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote:
>>    Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with
>>    the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with
>>    the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline
>>    formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed
>>    for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do
>>    have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet
>>    cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually
recommended
>>    by the Porsche Club of America.
>>
>>    I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella
>>    Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no
>>    doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T
>>    oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple
>>    protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All
>>    have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the
>>    best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
>>
>>    Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
>>
>>    Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their
>>    preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing
oils
>>    and marine products.
>>
>>    Julian
>>      __________________________________________________________________
>>
>>    From: DeTomaso
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>>
>>    Good Morning Everyone,
>>    I don't want to startup the oil discussion again.  But does anyone
have
>>    thoughts on
>>    Rotella Type T 15w40.  Which is a heavy duty diesel oil.  It was
>>    suggested by a local
>>    Mustang shop.  I like to use the best oil.  No synthetics.
>>    My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has
>>    about 3,500 miles
>>    on it and running great.
>>    Thanks so much.
>>    Terry
>>    "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>>    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>>    Terry W. Himes
>>    JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
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>>    Phone: (818) 393-6261
>>    Cell:    (818) 653-8213
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>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19
>>    It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system,
>>    although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed
>>    most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of
>>    the problem.
>>    I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated
>>    in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about
>>    swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup.
>>    When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it
>>    was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and
>>    voila heating issues resolved.
>>    It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big
>>    $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated
about
>>    these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way
>>    of a good story"
>>    Julian
>>    ________________________________
>>    From: DeTomaso
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>>    guys
>>    i had overheating problems
>>    i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad
>>    back to the swirl tank  and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from
a
>>    top bleed screw
>>    so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed
pipe
>>    to it
>>    then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock
brackets
>>    and wired them directly from the battery  to the relays
>>    i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder
>>    i removed that and fitted a new stat
>>    now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or
>>    195f  in all conditions
>>    my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its
>>    steady and i know what to expect
>>    very happy with result
>>    owen cooke
>>    On 16/09/2016 23:31,
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>>        1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
>>        2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C))
>>        3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
>>        4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ)
>>        5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
>>        6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
>>        7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock)
>>        8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
>>        9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green)
>>        10.  McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch)
>>        11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
>>        12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
>>        13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman)
>>        14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
>>        15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock)
>>        16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew)
>>        17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift)
>>        18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew)
>>        19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch)
>>        20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
>>        21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier)
>>        22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn)
>>        23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill)
>>        24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill)
>>    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>    Message: 1
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700
>>    From: Jack Donahue
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>>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>>    Message-ID:
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>>    Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
>>    radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
>>    wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have
to
>>    admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
>>    but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
>>    really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it
right
>>    now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
>>    ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
>>    Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
are
>>    suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
>>    sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
>>    and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
>>    since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
>>    perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
>>    offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
>>    me.
>>    So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>>    jack
>>    #4348
>>    ------------------------------
>>    Message: 2
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000
>>    From: "Himes, Terry (397C)"
>>
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>>    To: Jack Donahue
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>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
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>>    Jack,
>>    Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new fans.
I'm
>>    not going to change it
>>    now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal with
>>    it.  So keep posting and
>>    I will keep saving the responses.  ;-)
>>    Terry
>>    "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>>      stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>>    Terry W. Himes
>>    JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>    Dawn Spacecraft Team
>>    Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>>    Phone: (818) 393-6261
>>    Cell:    (818) 653-8213
>>    Fax:    (818) 393-3147
>>
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>>    Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
>>    To:
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>>    Cc:
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>>
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>>    om><mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> >>
>>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>>    Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
>>    radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
>>    wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have
to
>>    admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
>>    but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
>>    really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it
right
>>    now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
>>    ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
>>    Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
are
>>    suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
>>    sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
>>    and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
>>    since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
>>    perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
>>    offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
>>    me.
>>    So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>>    jack
>>    #4348
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>>        Jack,
>>        Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new
>>    fans.  I'm
>>        not going to change it
>>        now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal
>>    with
>>        it.  So keep posting and
>>        I will keep saving the responses.  ;-)
>>        Terry
>>        "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>>          stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>>        Terry W. Himes
>>        JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>        Dawn Spacecraft Team
>>        Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>>        Phone: (818) 393-6261
>>        Cell:    (818) 653-8213
>>        Fax:    (818) 393-3147
>>
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v>
>>        From: DeTomaso
>>
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>>    rver.detomasolist.com< <http://rver.detomasolist.com/> http://rver.detomasolist.com/>>> on behalf
>>        of Jack Donahue
>>
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>>        Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
>>        To:
>>
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><mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolis <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolis> 
>>    t.com< <http://t.com/> http://t.com/>>"
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><mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolis <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolis> 
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><mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolis <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolis> 
>>    t.com< <http://t.com/> http://t.com/>>"
>>
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><mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolis <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolis> 
>>    t.com< <http://t.com/> http://t.com/>>>
>>        Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>>        Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
>>        about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall
>>    radiator,
>>        since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike
>>    Drew, I
>>        have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It
>>    ain't
>>        broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that,
>>    but...Lol.
>>        There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to
>>    mention it
>>        right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they
>>    will
>>        "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be
>>    "tried-and-proven".
>>        Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but
>>    they are
>>        suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved"  -
>>        sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
>>    SPAL,
>>        and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the
Flex-a-lite's
>>        since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that
is
>>    a
>>        perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
>>        offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
>>    for
>>        me.
>>        So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>>        jack
>>        #4348
>>        _______________________________________________
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>>        3. [8]mailto:demongusta at gmail.com <mailto:demongusta at gmail.com> 
>>        4. [9]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
>>        5. [10]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
>>        6. [11]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
>>        7. [12]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
>>        8. [13]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
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>>    Message: 3
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:03:20 -0700
>>    From: MyCars
<mycars at comcast.net <mailto:mycars at comcast.net> <mailto:mycars at comcast.net <mailto:mycars at comcast.net> ><mailto:mycars at comcast.net <mailto:mycars at comcast.net> >>
>>    To:
>>
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>>    m>
>>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>>    Message-ID:
>>
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>>
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>>>
>>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>    I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for
the
>>    rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>>    I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
>>    give
>>    the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>>    Thanks in advance for your thoughts
>>    Roy
>>    ------------------------------
>>    Message: 4
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:08:50 +0000 (UTC)
>>    From: LSJ
<lashdeep at yahoo.com <mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com> <mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com <mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com> ><mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com <mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com> >>
>>    To: MyCars
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>>
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>>    om>"
>>
>>
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>>    om>>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>>    Message-ID:
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>>
140.1474045730621 at mail.yahoo.com <mailto:140.1474045730621 at mail.yahoo.com> <mailto:140.1474045730621 at mail.yahoo.com <mailto:140.1474045730621 at mail.yahoo.com> >>>
>>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>    What size wheel up front?
>>    ?LSJ
>>    central wines-spirits?? est 1934
>>    625 e street nw
>>    washington, dc 20004
>>    centralwines.com< <http://centralwines.com/> http://centralwines.com/>
>>    facebook.com/CentralLiquors< <http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors> http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors>
>>    202-737-2800
>>            From: MyCars
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>>      To:
>>
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ilto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.co <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.co> 
>>    m>
>>      Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
>>      Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>>    I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for
the
>>    rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>>    I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
>>    give
>>    the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>>    Thanks in advance for your thoughts
>>    Roy
>>    _______________________________________________
>>    Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
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>>        What size wheel up front?
>>        LSJ
>>        central
>>        wines-spirits  est 1934
>>        625 e street nw
>>        washington, dc 20004
>>        [1]centralwines.com< <http://centralwines.com/> http://centralwines.com/>
>>
[2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors< <http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors> http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors>
>>        202-737-2800
>>
>>    __________________________________________________________________
>>        From: MyCars
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>>        To:
>>
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>>    m>
>>        Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
>>        Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>>        I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
>>    for the
>>        rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>>        I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
>>    would
>>        give
>>        the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>>        Thanks in advance for your thoughts
>>        Roy
>>        _______________________________________________
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>>        2. [17] <http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors> http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>>        3. [18]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
>>        4. [19] <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>    ------------------------------
>>    Message: 5
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:13:05 -0700
>>    From: Jack Donahue
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om>>
>>    To: "Himes, Terry (397C)"
>>
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s at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:s at jpl.nasa.gov> >>
>>    Cc:
>>
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ailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c> 
>>    om>"
>>
>>
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>>    om>>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>>    Message-ID:
>>
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>>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>    Terry - I don?t have the original radiator - I currently have a
>>    Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in
front.
>>    Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of mine
>>    who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud - says
>>    it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get one
>>    for the whole ?Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good -
>>    (PHPP).  Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was
>>    ?converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be  more reliable - and
more
>>    repairable (which I like).
>>    jack
>>    On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
>>
<terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> <mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> ><mailto:terry.hime
s at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:s at jpl.nasa.gov> >> wrote:
>>    Jack,
>>    Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new fans.
I'm
>>    not going to change it
>>    now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal with
>>    it.  So keep posting and
>>    I will keep saving the responses.  ;-)
>>    Terry
>>    "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>>      stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>>    Terry W. Himes
>>    JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>    Dawn Spacecraft Team
>>    Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>>    Phone: (818) 393-6261
>>    Cell:    (818) 653-8213
>>    Fax:    (818) 393-3147
>>
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ov>
>>    <[21]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov> >
>>    ??
>>    From: DeTomaso
>>
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>>    Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
>>    To:
>>
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>>    Cc:
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>>    om> <[27]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> >>
>>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>>    Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
>>    radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
>>    wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have
to
>>    admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
>>    but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
>>    really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it
right
>>    now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
>>    ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
>>    Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
are
>>    suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
>>    sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
>>    and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
>>    since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
>>    perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
>>    offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
>>    me.
>>    So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>>    jack
>>    #4348
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>>        Terry - I don't have the original radiator - I currently have a
>>        Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in
>>    front.
>>        Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of
>>    mine
>>        who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud -
>>    says
>>        it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST
get
>>    one
>>        for the whole "Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good
-
>>        (PHPP).  Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was
>>        "converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be  more reliable -
and
>>    more
>>        repairable (which I like).
>>        jack
>>        On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
>>
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imes at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:imes at jpl.nasa.gov> >>
>>    wrote:
>>        Jack,
>>        Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new
>>    fans.  I'm
>>        not going to change it
>>        now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal
>>    with
>>        it.  So keep posting and
>>        I will keep saving the responses.  ;-)
>>        Terry
>>        "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>>          stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>>        Terry W. Himes
>>        JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>        Dawn Spacecraft Team
>>        Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>>        Phone: (818) 393-6261
>>        Cell:    (818) 653-8213
>>        Fax:    (818) 393-3147
>>
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>>        From: DeTomaso
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>>    rver.detomasolist.com< <http://rver.detomasolist.com/> http://rver.detomasolist.com/>>> on behalf
>>        of Jack Donahue
>>
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>>        Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
>>        To:
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>>    t.com< <http://t.com/> http://t.com/>>>
>>        Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>>        Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
>>        about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall
>>    radiator,
>>        since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike
>>    Drew, I
>>        have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It
>>    ain't
>>        broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that,
>>    but...Lol.
>>        There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to
>>    mention it
>>        right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they
>>    will
>>        "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be
>>    "tried-and-proven".
>>        Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but
>>    they are
>>        suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved"  -
>>        sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
>>    SPAL,
>>        and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the
Flex-a-lite's
>>        since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that
is
>>    a
>>        perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
>>        offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
>>    for
>>        me.
>>        So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>>        jack
>>        #4348
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>>        1. [31]mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> 
>>        2. [32]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov> 
>>        3. [33]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> 
>>        4. [34]mailto:demongusta at gmail.com <mailto:demongusta at gmail.com> 
>>        5. [35]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
>>        6. [36]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
>>        7. [37]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
>>        8. [38]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
>>        9. [39]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
>>        10. [40] <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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>>    Message: 6

>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:17:31 -0700
>>    From: Jack Donahue
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>>    To:
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>>    Cc:
>>
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>>    om>"
>>
>>
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>>    om>>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>>    Message-ID:
>>
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>>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>    There-in lies one of my problems - I could never MAKE a shroud. I wish
>>    I could - maybe out of foil-wrap. I will check out that website,
>>    thanks.
>>    On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM,
>>
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wrote:
>>    Pantera Electronics has recommended fans with part numbers under the
>>    fan controller button on their website.
>>    I have a stock radiator that was modified for lay down and air
>>    conditioning condenser up front........I have a fan shroud that I made
>>    and mounted the 2 sucker fans. 192 thermostat ran 192 in a 14 mile
>>    traffic jam last year that.took me 90 minutes to get
>>    through.......temperature was 98 degrees leaving the 2015 Woodward
>>    Cruise...........my wife complained that she was too cold with the air
>>    set on the warmest setting.
>>    Good luck
>>    Gerry in Illinois
>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>    From: Jack Donahue
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om>>
>>    To:
>>
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>>    m>
>>    Cc:
>>
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>>    m>
>>    Sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:29:46 -0000 (UTC)
>>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>>    Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
>>    radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
>>    wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have
to
>>    admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
>>    but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
>>    really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it
right
>>    now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
>>    ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
>>    Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
are
>>    suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
>>    sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
>>    and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
>>    since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
>>    perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
>>    offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
>>    me.
>>    So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>>    jack
>>    #4348
>>    _______________________________________________
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>>    Message: 7
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:24:26 -0700
>>    From: Larry Stock
>>
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raparts.com>>
>>    To: Jack Donahue
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>>    Cc:
>>
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>>    om>"
>>
>>
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>>    om>>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>>    Message-ID:
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>>    panteraparts.com< <http://panteraparts.com/> http://panteraparts.com/>>>
>>    Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="ISO-8859-1"
>>    Hi Jack,
>>    You should be able to use the fans off the Fluidyne, if not we have
our
>>    Maridyne system fans and our own bracket kit and if you need shrouds
>>    for a
>>    full lie-down system, we have those too. Typically we recommend our
>>    half
>>    Lay forward system which minimizes the thru air turbulence.
>>        11041B Defl. Rad. S.S. Lay down for kit $95.00
>>    11042B Stainless deflector right $65.00
>>    11043B Stainless deflector left $65.00
>>    11055B Radiator Puller Fan Shroud SS Mounting brackets set of 3
$125.00
>>    11055P PPC Puller Fans & Shroud Assy $325.00
>>    If the Hall Brass radiator has the stock quick 90 degree hard radiator
>>    tubes installed, you will not be able to mount a puller fan shroud
>>    under
>>    those tubes, if it has the straight out tubes then you can use 90
>>    degree
>>    molded rubber hoses to clear the Puller shroud like your Fluidyne.
>>    Larry Stock
>>    Pantera Parts Connection LC
>>    550 Mallory Way
>>    Carson City NV 89701
>>
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>>    PH  775-283-4411
>>    Fax 775-283-4410
>>    Cell 1-800-DeTomaso 800-338-6627
>>    On 9/16/16, 9:29 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue"
>>
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omasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve <mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve> 
>>    r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com/>> on behalf of
>>
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m>> wrote:
>>    Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
>>    radiators
>>    - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted
>>    brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit
>>    it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I
>>    am
>>    fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an
>>    ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I
>>    ran
>>    my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but
>>    the
>>    Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
>>    Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
are
>>    suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
>>    sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
>>    and
>>    Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since
>>    they
>>    said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect
match
>>    for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up  a part
>>    number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
>>    So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>>    jack
>>    #4348
>>    _______________________________________________
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>>    Message: 8
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:09:55 -0500
>>    From: Cullen McCann
>>
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l.com>>
>>    To:
>>
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>>    m>
>>    Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
>>    Message-ID:
>>
>>
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>>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>    Good afternoon!
>>    Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they
>>    say is
>>    Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a
>>    fantastic experience with them on another performance car application.
>>    [46]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
>>    Thank you!!
>>    -------------- next part --------------
>>        Good afternoon!
>>        Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that
>>    they
>>        say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience?
>>    I've
>>        had a fantastic experience with them on another performance car
>>        application.
>>        [1]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
>>        Thank you!!
>>    References
>>        1. [47]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
>>    ------------------------------
>>    Message: 9
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:27:46 +0000 (UTC)
>>    From: Ken Green
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om>>
>>    To: Jack Donahue
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om>>,
>>
>>
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>>    om>"
>>
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>>    om>>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>>    Message-ID:
>>
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>>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>    Jack,
>>    ??? You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
>>
[48]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/uni
>>    versal/primary-fans.html
>>            From: Jack Donahue
>>
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om>>
>>      To:
>>
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ailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c> 
>>    om>"
>>
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> ><m
ailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c> 
>>    om>>
>>    Cc:
>>
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>>    om>"
>>
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ailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c> 
>>    om>>
>>      Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
>>      Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>>    Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about?
>>    radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
>>    wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.? And, yes Mike Drew, I have
to
>>    admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
>>    but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
>>    really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it
right
>>    now; but I ran my idea past? Brassworks? - who says they will
>>    ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
>>    Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
are
>>    suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?? -
>>    sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
>>    and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
>>    since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
>>    perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
>>    offered-up? a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
>>    me.
>>    So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>>    jack
>>    #4348
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>>        Jack,
>>            You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
>>
>>
[1]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/univ
>>        ersal/primary-fans.html
>>
>>    __________________________________________________________________
>>        From: Jack Donahue
>>
<demongusta at gmail.com <mailto:demongusta at gmail.com> <mailto:demongusta at gmail.com <mailto:demongusta at gmail.com> ><mailto:demongusta at gmail.c <mailto:demongusta at gmail.c> 
om>>
>>        To:
>>
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ailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c> 
>>    om>"
>>
>>
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> ><m
ailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c> 
>>    om>>
>>        Cc:
>>
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ailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c> 
>>    om>"
>>
>>
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> ><m
ailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c> 
>>    om>>
>>        Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
>>        Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>>        Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
>>        radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
>>    since I
>>        wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I
>>    have to
>>        admit itas because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ainat
>>    broke,
>>        but I am fixing it(?). Didnat want to admit that, but...Lol.
There
>>        really is an ulterior motive, but I just donat want to mention it
>>    right
>>        now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
>>        abuild-to-suita - but the Hall unit looks to be
>>    atried-and-provena.
>>        Now - fans. I really donat know the brand name of my fans, but
>>    they are
>>        suckers - about 12a diameter - and the blades are acurveda  -
>>        sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
>>    SPAL,
>>        and Flex-a-lite. I had read someoneas post about the
Flex-a-liteas
>>        since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that
is
>>    a
>>        perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
>>        offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
>>    for
>>        me.
>>        So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>>        jack
>>        #4348
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>>        1.
>>
[50]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/uni
>>    versal/primary-fans.html
>>        2. [51]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
>>        3. [52]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>    ------------------------------
>>    Message: 10
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:35:17 -0700
>>    From: Larry Finch
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>>    om>>
>>    Subject: [DeTomaso]  McLeod hydraulic throw out
>>    Message-ID:
>>
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-59494515D156 at aol.com <mailto:-59494515D156 at aol.com> ><mailto:6C366701-6502-47C0
>>    -A0DC-59494515D156 at aol.com <mailto:-A0DC-59494515D156 at aol.com> <mailto:A0DC-59494515D156 at aol.com <mailto:A0DC-59494515D156 at aol.com> >>>
>>    Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>    Cullen,
>>    2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it
in
>>    2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
>>    recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I
>>    spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>    My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>    The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
>>    spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
had
>>    on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
>>    where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
>>    course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
>>    attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold
up
>>    very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>    The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
>>    outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>    Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
>>    kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
>>    invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
>>    unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
>>    determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing
>>    McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added
no
>>    suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem
>>    within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the
>>    first two generations.
>>    While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
>>    task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
>>    and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
>>    pull the transaxle and start all over again.
>>    The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
has
>>    been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
>>    Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
>>    experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
>>    road for themselves.
>>    Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
>>    details.
>>    Larry
>>    Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>>    ------------------------------
>>    Message: 11
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:50:41 -0700
>>    From: MyCars
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>>    To: LSJ
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>>
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>>    om>"
>>
>>
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ailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c> 
>>    om>>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>>    Message-ID:
>>
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f312-4dd9b1c3f234 at comcast.net <mailto:f312-4dd9b1c3f234 at comcast.net> ><mailto:37e8f14d-dde9-
>>
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>>>
>>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>>    Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area.
>>    They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5"
>>    wide.
>>    On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
>>    What size wheel up front?
>>    LSJ
>>    /*central */
>>    /*wines-spirits  est 1934
>>    */
>>    /*
>>    */
>>    /*625 e street nw
>>    */
>>    /*washington, dc 20004*/
>>    /*
>>    */
>>    /*centralwines.com<http://centralwines.com/>
<[53]http://centralwines.com/>
>>    */
>>    /*
>>    */
>>    /*facebook.com/CentralLiquors<http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors>
<[54]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors>
>>    */
>>    /*
>>    */
>>    /*202-737-2800*/
>>
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>>    -
>>    *From:* MyCars
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>>    *To:*
>>
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ilto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.co <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.co> 
>>    m>
>>    *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
>>    *Subject:* [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>>    I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for
the
>>    rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>>    I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
>>    give
>>    the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>>    Thanks in advance for your thoughts
>>    Roy
>>    _______________________________________________
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>>    m> <[55]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> >
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>>        Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego
>>    area.
>>        They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about
>>    9.5"
>>        wide.
>>        On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
>>        What size wheel up front?
>>        LSJ
>>        central
>>        wines-spirits  est 1934
>>        625 e street nw
>>        washington, dc 20004
>>        [1]centralwines.com<http://centralwines.com/>
>>
[2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors<http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors>
>>        202-737-2800
>>
>>    __________________________________________________________________
>>        From: MyCars
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>
>>        To:
>>
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<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist> 
>>    .com>
>>        Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
>>        Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>>        I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
>>    for the
>>        rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>>        I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
>>    would
>>        give
>>        the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>>        Thanks in advance for your thoughts
>>        Roy
>>        _______________________________________________
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>>    Message: 12
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:00:36 -0700
>>    From: MyCars
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>>    To:
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>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
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>>    I just checked Weld's website
>>
[63]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar
>>    .html
>>    They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are 9"
>>    wide
>>    On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:
>>          Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego
>>    area.
>>          They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are
about
>>    9.5"
>>          wide.
>>          On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
>>          What size wheel up front?
>>          LSJ
>>          central
>>          wines-spirits  est 1934
>>          625 e street nw
>>          washington, dc 20004
>>          [1]centralwines.com<http://centralwines.com/>
>>
[2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors<http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors>
>>          202-737-2800
>>
>>    __________________________________________________________________
>>          From: MyCars
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>>          Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>>          I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
>>    for the
>>          rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>>          I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
>>    would
>>          give
>>          the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>>          Thanks in advance for your thoughts
>>          Roy
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>>        I just checked Weld's website
>>
>>
[1]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar.
>>        html
>>        They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are
>>    9"
>>        wide
>>        On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:
>>        Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego
>>    area.
>>        They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about
>>    9.5"
>>        wide.
>>        On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
>>        What size wheel up front?
>>        LSJ
>>        central
>>        wines-spirits  est 1934
>>        625 e street nw
>>        washington, dc 20004
>>        [1]centralwines.com<http://centralwines.com/>
>>
[2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors<http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors>
>>        202-737-2800
>>
>>    __________________________________________________________________
>>        From: MyCars
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>>        Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>>        I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
>>    for the
>>        rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>>        I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
>>    would
>>        give
>>        the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>>        Thanks in advance for your thoughts
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>>    Message: 13
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:27 -0400
>>    From: Will Kooiman
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>>    To: Larry Finch
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>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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>>    Wow.
>>    I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>>    My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
>>    available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building a
>>    new
>>    bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>>    At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>>    --
>>    Will
>>    On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>>
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>>    om>> wrote:
>>    Cullen,
>>    2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it
in
>>    2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
>>    recently
>>    did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
>>    and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>    My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>    The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
>>    spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
had
>>    on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
>>    where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
>>    course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
>>    attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold
up
>>    very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>    The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
>>    outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>    Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
>>    kit
>>    I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
>>    invoice.
>>    What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
>>    which
>>    uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined
>>    that
>>    for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
>>    exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as
>>    a
>>    ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
>>    company.
>>    No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
generations.
>>    While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
>>    task
>>    of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
>>    unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull
>>    the
>>    transaxle and start all over again.
>>    The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
has
>>    been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
>>    Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
>>    experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
>>    road for themselves.
>>    Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
>>    details.
>>    Larry
>>    Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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>>    Message: 14
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:50:41 -0500
>>    From: Cullen McCann
>>
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>>    To: Will Kooiman
>>
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>>    om>>,
>>            Larry Finch
>>
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>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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>>    Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will, I
>>    have
>>    one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there for

>>    several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that was
>>    "new"
>>    but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to inquire about
>>    fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to "ensure a
positive
>>    experience". I installed it with a performance clutch and a
>>    scattershield,
>>    bled it according to the instructions and that was about 4 years ago.
>>    Havent had a lick of trouble.  (knocking on wood now).
>>    the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the
clutch
>>    fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive
>>    had a
>>    bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in the
>>    past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.
>>    however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up
>>    my P
>>    car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not to
>>    use
>>    the factory unit.  Thank you sir.
>>    Cullen
>>    On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman
>>
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mail.com>>
>>    wrote:
>>    Wow.
>>    I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>>    My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
>>    available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building a
>>    new
>>    bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>>    At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>>    --
>>    Will
>>    On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>>
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>>    om>> wrote:
>>    Cullen,
>>    2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it
in
>>    2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
>>    recently
>>    did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
>>    and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>    My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>    The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
>>    spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
had
>>    on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
>>    where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
>>    course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
>>    attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold
up
>>    very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>    The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
>>    outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>    Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
>>    kit
>>    I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
>>    invoice.
>>    What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
>>    which
>>    uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined
>>    that
>>    for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
>>    exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as
>>    a
>>    ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
>>    company.
>>    No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
generations.
>>    While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
>>    task
>>    of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
>>    unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull
>>    the
>>    transaxle and start all over again.
>>    The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
has
>>    been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
>>    Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
>>    experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
>>    road for themselves.
>>    Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
>>    details.
>>    Larry
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>>        Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like
>>    Will, I
>>        have one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been
>>    there
>>        for several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one
>>    that
>>        was "new" but several generations old, and when I called McLeod
to
>>        inquire about fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just
to
>>        "ensure a positive experience". I installed it with a performance
>>        clutch and a scattershield, bled it according to the instructions
>>    and
>>        that was about 4 years ago. Havent had a lick of trouble.A
>>    (knocking
>>        on wood now).
>>        the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the
>>    clutch
>>        fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and
>>    ive
>>        had a bad experience with performance clutches and cables
breaking
>>    in
>>        the past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.
>>        however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I
set
>>    up
>>        my P car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I
choose
>>    not
>>        to use the factory unit.A  Thank you sir.
>>        Cullen
>>        On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman
>>
<[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com <mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com> <mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com <mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com> ><mailto:will.kooima
n at gmail.com <mailto:n at gmail.com> >> wrote:
>>          Wow.
>>          I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>>          My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was
>>    readily
>>          available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A  Rather than
>>          building a new
>>          bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>>          At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>>          --
>>          Will
>>          On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>>
>>
<[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
><mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolis <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolis> 
>>    t.com<http://t.com/>>> wrote:
>>> Cullen,
>>>
>>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
>>    it
>>        in
>>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
>>        recently
>>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
>>    with
>>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>>
>>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>>
>>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
>>    snout
>>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
>>    still
>>        had
>>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG
>>        fitting
>>> where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself,
>>    unseen of
>>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
>>    line
>>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
>>    hold
>>        up
>>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>>
>>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
>>    sticking
>>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>>
>>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
>>    rebuild
>>        kit
>>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
>>        invoice.
>>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
>>    unit
>>        which
>>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
>>    determined
>>        that
>>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
>>    used
>>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
>>    such as
>>        a
>>> A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
>>        company.
>>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
>>        generations.
>>>
>>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
>>    the
>>        task
>>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
>>    and
>>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
>>    pull
>>        the
>>> transaxle and start all over again.
>>>
>>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
>>    as
>>        has
>>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
>>    fine.
>>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
>>    on my
>>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
>>    that
>>> road for themselves.
>>>
>>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
>>    gory
>>> details.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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>>    References
>>        1. [87]mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com <mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com> 
>>        2. [88]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
>>        3. [89]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
>>        4. [90]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>        5. [91]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
>>        6. [92]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>    ------------------------------
>>    Message: 15
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:53:15 -0700
>>    From: Larry Stock
>>
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raparts.com>>
>>    To: Will Kooiman
>>
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mail.com>>, Larry Finch
>>
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l.com>>, Email
>>    List Address For Posting
>>
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ailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c> 
>>    om>>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
>>    Message-ID:
>>
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lto:D401A883.17A144%larrys@
>>    panteraparts.com<http://panteraparts.com/>>>
>>    Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="EUC-KR"
>>    The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
>>    ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
>>    using a
>>    Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
>>    DeTomaso
>>    Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
>>    vendors
>>    offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the
>>    bell
>>    housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
>>    Larry
>>    On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
>>
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omasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve <mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve> 
>>    r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com/>> on behalf of
>>
will.kooiman at gmail.com <mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com> <mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com <mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com> ><mailto:will.kooiman at gm <mailto:will.kooiman at gm> 
ail.com>> wrote:
>>    Wow.
>>    I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>>    My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
>>    available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building a
>>    new
>>    bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>>    At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>>    --
>>    Will
>>    On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>>
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> ><m
ailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c> 
>>    om>> wrote:
>>    Cullen,
>>    2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it
in
>>    2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
>>    recently
>>    did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
>>    and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>    My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>    The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
>>    spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
had
>>    on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
>>    where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
>>    course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
>>    attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold
up
>>    very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>    The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
>>    outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>    Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
>>    kit
>>    I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
>>    invoice.
>>    What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
>>    which
>>    uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined
>>    that
>>    for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
>>    exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as
>>    a
>>    ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
>>    company.
>>    No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
generations.
>>    While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
>>    task
>>    of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
>>    unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull
>>    the
>>    transaxle and start all over again.
>>    The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
has
>>    been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
>>    Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
>>    experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
>>    road for themselves.
>>    Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
>>    details.
>>    Larry
>>    Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>>    _______________________________________________
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>>    Message: 16
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:11:22 -0700
>>    From: Mike Drew
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>>    To: David Nunn
<dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> <mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> ><mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> >>
>>    Cc:
>>
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mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist. <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.> 
>>    com>>"
>>
>>
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ailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c> 
>>    om>>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>    Message-ID:
>>
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>>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>    All,
>>    Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there
>>    is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall
>>    kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
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>>    Mike
>>    Sent from my iPhone
>>    On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn"
>>    <dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> <mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> ><mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> >>
wrote:
>>        Rob,
>>        If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
It
>>        eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
>>    adjustable.
>>        It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
IPSCO's
>>    web
>>        site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>        Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
>>    belt
>>        tensioning a breeze.
>>        [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>    References
>>        1. [96]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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>>    Message: 17
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:16:34 +0000
>>    From: Julian Kift
>>
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>>    To: David Nunn
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>>
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>>
>>
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>>    om>"
>>
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>>    om>>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>    Message-ID:
>>
>>
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>>    Mike,
>>    It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one
>>    that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but
was
>>    adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on
>>    the rear.
>>    Julian
>>    ________________________________
>>    From: DeTomaso
>>
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omasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve <mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve> 
>>    r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com/>>> on behalf of Mike Drew
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>>
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>>    om>>
>>    Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
>>    To: David Nunn
>>    Cc:
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>>    om>>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>    All,
>>    Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there
>>    is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall
>>    kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>>
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>>    Mike
>>    Sent from my iPhone
>>    On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn"
>>    <dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> <mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> ><mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> >>
wrote:
>>        Rob,
>>        If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
It
>>        eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
>>    adjustable.
>>        It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
IPSCO's
>>    web
>>        site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>        Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
>>    belt
>>        tensioning a breeze.
>>        [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>    References
>>        1. [98]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>
[[99]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.jpg]<http://ww/
>>
w.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm<http://w.ipsco.org/Pantera%20
Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>>
>>    Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking
>>    ...<[100]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>
>>    www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org/><[101]http://www.ipsco.org/>
>>    Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley,
>>    this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind
>>    the bracket to tighten in ...
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>>        Mike,
>>        It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
the
>>    one
>>        that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location,
>>    but was
>>        adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
>>    on
>>        the rear.
>>        Julian
>>
>>    __________________________________________________________________
>>        From: DeTomaso
>>
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>>    r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com/>>> on behalf of
>>        Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>>
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>>    om>>
>>        Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
>>        To: David Nunn
>>        Cc:
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>>    om>>
>>        Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>        All,
>>        Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
>>    there
>>        is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
>>    firewall
>>        kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>>
>>
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>>        Mike
>>        Sent from my iPhone
>>        On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn"
>>    <dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> <mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> ><mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> >>
wrote:
>>>  Rob,
>>>
>>>  If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's
>>    kit. It
>>>  eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
>>        adjustable.
>>>  It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
>>    IPSCO's
>>        web
>>>  site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>>
>>>  Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation
>>    and
>>        belt
>>>  tensioning a breeze.
>>>
>>>  [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>>  1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>        [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
>>        [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
>>        www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org/><[104]http://www.ipsco.org/>
>>        Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
>>    Pulley,
>>        this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
>>    behind
>>        the bracket to tighten in ...
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>>        1. [105]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>        2. [106]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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>>    Message: 18
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:18:39 -0700
>>    From: Mike Drew
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>>    To: Julian Kift
>>
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>>    Cc: David Nunn
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>>    om>"
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>>    om>>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>    Message-ID:
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>>    Julian,
>>    Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications
but
>>    only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the
>>    idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
>>    Mike
>>    Sent from my iPhone
>>    On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift
>>
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hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>        Mike,
>>        It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the
>>    one
>>        that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location,
but
>>    was
>>        adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
>>    on
>>        the rear.
>>        Julian
>>
>>    __________________________________________________________________
>>        From: DeTomaso
>>
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>>    r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com/>>> on behalf of
>>        Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>>
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>>    om>>
>>        Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
>>        To: David Nunn
>>        Cc:
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>>    om>>
>>        Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>        All,
>>        Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
>>    there
>>        is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
>>    firewall
>>        kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>>
>>
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>>        Mike
>>        Sent from my iPhone
>>        On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn"
>>    <dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> <mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> ><mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> >>
wrote:
>>      Rob,
>>      If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
>>      eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
>>        adjustable.
>>      It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
>>        web
>>      site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>      Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
>>        belt
>>      tensioning a breeze.
>>      [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>    References
>>      1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>        [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
>>        [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
>>        www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org/><[111]http://www.ipsco.org/>
>>        Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
>>    Pulley,
>>        this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
>>    behind
>>        the bracket to tighten in ...
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>>        2. [113]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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>>    Message: 19
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:19:14 -0700
>>    From: Larry Finch
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>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
>>    Message-ID:
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>>    Heat?
>>    As I previously wrote, I have over 50,000 miles using one of the
McLeod
>>    systems.
>>    Those 50,000 miles have all been WITH a black plastic plug in the hole
>>    that some wish to call a ventilation hole rather than an inspection
>>    hole. Your choice, I don't really care.
>>    Whatever heat issues may or may not be present, with or without a
plug,
>>    have never appeared to be an issue in any way, shape or form in my
many
>>    years of experience.
>>    I am all ears if Larry or anyone else has history that supports a
>>    failure of the McLeod unit from excessive heat.
>>    Larry
>>    Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>>    On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Larry Stock
>>
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>>    The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
>>    ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
>>    using a
>>    Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
>>    DeTomaso
>>    Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
>>    vendors
>>    offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the
>>    bell
>>    housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
>>    Larry
>>    On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
>>
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>>    r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com/>> on behalf of
>>
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ail.com>> wrote:
>>    Wow.
>>    I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>>    My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
>>    available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building a
>>    new
>>    bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>>    At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>>    --
>>    Will
>>    On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>>
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>>    om>> wrote:
>>    Cullen,
>>    2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it
in
>>    2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
>>    recently
>>    did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
>>    and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>    My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>    The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
>>    spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
had
>>    on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
>>    where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
>>    course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
>>    attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold
up
>>    very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>    The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
>>    outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>    Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
>>    kit
>>    I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
>>    invoice.
>>    What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
>>    which
>>    uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined
>>    that
>>    for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
>>    exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as
>>    a
>>    A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
company.
>>    No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
generations.
>>    While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
>>    task
>>    of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
>>    unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull
>>    the
>>    transaxle and start all over again.
>>    The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
has
>>    been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
>>    Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
>>    experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
>>    road for themselves.
>>    Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
>>    details.
>>    Larry
>>    Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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>>    Message: 20
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:38:06 -0500
>>    From: Cullen McCann
>>
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>>    To: Larry Stock
>>
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>>    om>>,
>>            Larry Finch
>>
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>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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>>    well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I forgot to
>>    mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm.
>>    On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock
>>
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>>    wrote:
>>    The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
>>    ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
>>    using a
>>    Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
>>    DeTomaso
>>    Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
>>    vendors
>>    offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the
>>    bell
>>    housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
>>    Larry
>>    On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
>>
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omasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve <mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve> 
>>    r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com/>> on behalf of
>>
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ail.com>> wrote:
>>    Wow.
>>    I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>>    My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
>>    available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building a
>>    new
>>    bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>>    At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>>    --
>>    Will
>>    On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>>
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ailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c> 
>>    om>> wrote:
>>    Cullen,
>>    2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it
in
>>    2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
>>    recently
>>    did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
>>    and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>    My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>    The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
>>    spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
had
>>    on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
>>    where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
>>    course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
>>    attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold
up
>>    very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>    The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
>>    outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>    Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
>>    kit
>>    I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
>>    invoice.
>>    What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
>>    which
>>    uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined
>>    that
>>    for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
>>    exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as
>>    a
>>    ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
>>    company.
>>    No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
generations.
>>    While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
>>    task
>>    of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
>>    unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull
>>    the
>>    transaxle and start all over again.
>>    The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
has
>>    been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
>>    Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
>>    experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
>>    road for themselves.
>>    Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
>>    details.
>>    Larry
>>    Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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>>        well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I
>>    forgot to
>>        mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm.
>>        On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock
>>
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>>    wrote:
>>          The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and
>>    not
>>          ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance
>>    is
>>          using a
>>          Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
>>          DeTomaso
>>          Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that
>>    some
>>          vendors
>>          offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top
>>    of
>>          the bell
>>          housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
>>          Larry
>>          On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
>>
>>
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>>    rver.detomasolist.com<http://rver.detomasolist.com/>> on behalf of
>>
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@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Wow.
>>>
>>> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>>>
>>> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was
>>    readily
>>> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A  Rather than
>>          building a new
>>> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>>>
>>> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>>
>>>
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><mailto:detomaso at server.detomasoli <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasoli> 
>>    st.com<http://st.com/>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cullen,
>>>>
>>>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I
>>    purchased
>>          it in
>>>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and
>>    most
>>          recently
>>>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I
>>    spoke
>>          with
>>>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>>>
>>>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>>>
>>>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
>>          snout
>>>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
>>          still had
>>>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its
>>    90ADEG
>>          fitting
>>>> where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself,
>>          unseen of
>>>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the
>>    hard
>>          line
>>>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines
>>    don't
>>          hold up
>>>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>>>
>>>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
>>          sticking
>>>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
>>          rebuild kit
>>>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the
>>    previous
>>          invoice.
>>>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
>>    unit
>>          which
>>>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
>>          determined that
>>>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod
>>    has
>>          used
>>>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
>>          such as a
>>>> A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within
>>    the
>>          company.
>>>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
>>          generations.
>>>>
>>>> While you have some experience in using one of these
>>    previously,
>>          the task
>>>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite
>>    exacting
>>          and
>>>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do
>>    but
>>          pull the
>>>> transaxle and start all over again.
>>>>
>>>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings
>>    and
>>          as has
>>>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works
>>    just
>>          fine.
>>>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and
>>    based
>>          on my
>>>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture
>>    down
>>          that
>>>> road for themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of
>>    the
>>          gory
>>>> details.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>    Message: 21
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:46:51 +0000
>>    From: michael frazier
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>>    To:
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>>    Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
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>>    Hi All,
>>    I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a barn
since
>>    1961 and only has 25k miles,
>>    but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
>>    Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
>>    remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
>>    Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
>>    I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an
>>    overdrive transmission.  Manual or
>>    automatic, either one.  It won?t be drag raced but will be used
>>    regularly and would likely be run in an
>>    open road race some time.  That?s the reason for the overdrive.
>>    I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
>>    what would work well.
>>    What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
>>    Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>>    Michael
>>    Sent from Mail<[133]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
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>>    Windows 10
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>>        Hi All,
>>        I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a barn
>>    since
>>        1961 and only has 25k miles,
>>        but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
>>        Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
>>        remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
complete
>>        Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
>>        I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
>>    want an
>>        overdrive transmission.  Manual or
>>        automatic, either one.  It won't be drag raced but will be used
>>        regularly and would likely be run in an
>>        open road race some time.  That's the reason for the overdrive.
>>        I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
>>    wondering
>>        what would work well.
>>        What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
>>        Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>>        Michael
>>        Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>>    References
>>        1. [134]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
>>    ------------------------------
>>    Message: 22
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:04:46 -0700
>>    From: "David Nunn"
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>>    To: "'Mike Drew'"
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>>    "'Julian Kift'"
>>
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>>    Cc:
>>
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>>    m>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>    Message-ID:
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>>    Julian,
>>    Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine,
>>    with
>>    both IPSCO items installed.
>>    David
>>    -----Original Message-----
>>    From: Mike Drew [[135]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com <mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com> ]
>>    Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
>>    To: Julian Kift
>>
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>>    Cc: David Nunn
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>>
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>>    m>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>    Julian,
>>    Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications
but
>>    only
>>    had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler
>>    that
>>    replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
>>    Mike
>>    Sent from my iPhone
>>    On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift
>>
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hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>        Mike,
>>        It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the
>>    one
>>        that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location,
but
>>    was
>>        adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
>>    on
>>        the rear.
>>        Julian
>>
>>    __________________________________________________________________
>>        From: DeTomaso
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>>        Mike Drew via DeTomaso
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>>        Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
>>        To: David Nunn
>>        Cc:
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>>    om>>
>>        Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>        All,
>>        Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
>>    there
>>        is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
>>    firewall
>>        kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>>
>>
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>>        Mike
>>        Sent from my iPhone
>>        On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn"
>>    <dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> <mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> ><mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> >>
wrote:
>>      Rob,
>>      If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
>>    eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
>>        adjustable.
>>      It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
>>        web
>>      site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>      Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
>>        belt
>>      tensioning a breeze.
>>      [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>    References
>>      1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>        [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
>>        [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
>>        www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org/><[136]http://www.ipsco.org/>
>>        Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
>>    Pulley,
>>        this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
>>    behind
>>        the bracket to tighten in ...
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>>    Message: 23
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:53 -0600
>>    From: bill
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>>    To: michael frazier
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>>    om>"
>>
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>>    om>>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
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>>    Michael:Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.?
>>    CheersBill MooreCalgary
>>    -------- Original message --------From: michael frazier
>>
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> Date: 2016-09-16
>>    3:46 PM  (GMT-07:00) To:
>>
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>>    m> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
>>    Hi All,
>>    I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn
since
>>    1961 and only has 25k miles,
>>    but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.?
>>    Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
>>    remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
>>    Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
>>    I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an
>>    overdrive transmission.? Manual or
>>    automatic, either one.? It won?t be drag raced but will be used
>>    regularly and would likely be run in an
>>    open road race some time.? That?s the reason for the overdrive.
>>    I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
>>    what would work well.
>>    What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?
>>    Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>>    Michael
>>    Sent from Mail<[144]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
for
>>    Windows 10
>>    ?? Hi All,
>>    ?? I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn
>>    since
>>    ?? 1961 and only has 25k miles,
>>    ?? but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
>>    ?? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
>>    ?? remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
>>    ?? Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
>>    ?? I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want
>>    an
>>    ?? overdrive transmission.? Manual or
>>    ?? automatic, either one.? It won't be drag raced but will be used
>>    ?? regularly and would likely be run in an
>>    ?? open road race some time.? That's the reason for the overdrive.
>>    ?? I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
wondering
>>    ?? what would work well.
>>    ?? What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?
>>    ?? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>>    ?? Michael
>>    ?? Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>>    References
>>    ?? 1. [145]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
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>>        Michael:
>>        Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.
>>        Cheers
>>        Bill Moore
>>        Calgary
>>        -------- Original message --------
>>        From: michael frazier
>>
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>>        Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00)
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>>    m>
>>        Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
>>        Hi All,
>>        I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a barn
>>    since
>>        1961 and only has 25k miles,
>>        but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
>>        Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
>>        remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
complete
>>        Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
>>        I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
>>    want an
>>        overdrive transmission.  Manual or
>>        automatic, either one.  It won't be drag raced but will be used
>>        regularly and would likely be run in an
>>        open road race some time.  That's the reason for the overdrive.
>>        I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
>>    wondering
>>        what would work well.
>>        What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
>>        Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>>        Michael
>>        Sent from
>>    Mail<[147]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>        Windows 10
>>            Hi All,
>>            I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a
>>    barn
>>        since
>>            1961 and only has 25k miles,
>>            but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted
out.
>>            Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
>>            remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
>>    complete
>>            Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
>>            I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
>>    want
>>        an
>>            overdrive transmission.  Manual or
>>            automatic, either one.  It won't be drag raced but will be
used
>>            regularly and would likely be run in an
>>            open road race some time.  That's the reason for the
overdrive.
>>            I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
>>    wondering
>>            what would work well.
>>            What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
>>            Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>>            Michael
>>            Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>>        References
>>            1. [148]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
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>>    Message: 24
>>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:31:46 -0600
>>    From: bill
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>>    To: David Nunn
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Drew'
>>
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>>            'Julian Kift'
>>
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>>    Cc:
>>
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>>    m>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>    Message-ID:
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>>    Wow !,,,,
>>    That looks to nice to cover up.....
>>    CheersBill MooreCalgary
>>    -------- Original message --------From: David Nunn
>>    <dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> <mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> ><mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> >>
Date: 2016-09-16  4:04 PM
>>    (GMT-07:00) To: 'Mike Drew'
>>
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'Julian Kift'
>>
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>>
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>>    m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>    Julian,
>>    Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine,
>>    with
>>    both IPSCO items installed.
>>    David
>>    -----Original Message-----
>>    From: Mike Drew [[150]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com <mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com> ]
>>    Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
>>    To: Julian Kift
>>
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>>    Cc: David Nunn
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>>
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>>    m>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>    Julian,
>>    Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications
but
>>    only
>>    had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler
>>    that
>>    replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
>>    Mike
>>    Sent from my iPhone
>>    On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift
>>
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hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>    ?? Mike,
>>    ?? It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the
>>    one
>>    ?? that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but
>>    was
>>    ?? adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
on
>>    ?? the rear.
>>    ?? Julian
>>    ????
__________________________________________________________________
>>    ?? From: DeTomaso
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>>    ?? Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>>
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>>    om>>
>>    ?? Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
>>    ?? To: David Nunn
>>    ?? Cc:
>>
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>>    om>>
>>    ?? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>    ?? All,
>>    ?? Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
>>    there
>>    ?? is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
firewall
>>    ?? kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>>    ??
>>
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>>    ?? Mike
>>    ?? Sent from my iPhone
>>    ?? On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn"
>>    <dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> <mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> ><mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> >>
wrote:
>>    ? Rob,
>>    ? If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It?
>>    eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
>>    ?? adjustable.
>>    ? It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
>>    ?? web
>>    ? site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>    ? Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
>>    ?? belt
>>    ? tensioning a breeze.
>>    ? [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>    References
>>    ? 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>    ?? [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
>>    ?? [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
>>    ?? www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org/><[151]http://www.ipsco.org/>
>>    ?? Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
>>    Pulley,
>>    ?? this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
>>    behind
>>    ?? the bracket to tighten in ...
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>>    ?? 2. [153]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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>>        Wow !,,,,
>>        That looks to nice to cover up.....
>>        Cheers
>>        Bill Moore
>>        Calgary
>>        -------- Original message --------
>>        From: David Nunn
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>>        Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>        To: 'Mike Drew'
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>>    'Julian Kift'
>>
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>>        Cc:
>>
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>>    m>
>>        Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>        Julian,
>>        Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my
>>    engine,
>>        with
>>        both IPSCO items installed.
>>        David
>>        -----Original Message-----
>>        From: Mike Drew [[159]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com <mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com> ]
>>        Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
>>        To: Julian Kift
>>
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>>        Cc: David Nunn
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>>    m>
>>        Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>        Julian,
>>        Yes, he mentioned two different products for different
>>    applications but
>>        only
>>        had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the
>>    idler
>>        that
>>        replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
>>        Mike
>>        Sent from my iPhone
>>        On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift
>>
<julian_kift at hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com> <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com> ><mailto:julian_kift@
hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>  Mike,
>>>
>>>  It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
>>    the
>>        one
>>>  that was previously linked appears to go in the stock
>>    location, but
>>        was
>>>  adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a
>>    wrench
>>        on
>>>  the rear.
>>>  Julian
>>
__________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>  From: DeTomaso
>>
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>>    r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com/>>> on behalf
>>        of
>>>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>>
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>>    om>>
>>>  Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
>>>  To: David Nunn
>>>  Cc:
>>
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>>    om>>
>>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>>
>>>  All,
>>>  Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup.
>>    Note
>>        there
>>>  is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
>>        firewall
>>>  kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>>
>>
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>>>  Mike
>>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>>  On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn"
>>    <dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> <mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> ><mailto:dnunn at telus.net <mailto:dnunn at telus.net> >>
wrote:
>>>> Rob,
>>>>
>>>> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's
>>    kit.
>>        It
>>>> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
>>>  adjustable.
>>>> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
>>    IPSCO's
>>>  web
>>>> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>>>
>>>> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation
>>    and
>>>  belt
>>>> tensioning a breeze.
>>>>
>>>> [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>>  [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
>>>  [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking
>>    ...
>>>  www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org/><[160]http://www.ipsco.org/>
>>>  Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
>>        Pulley,
>>>  this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
>>        behind
>>>  the bracket to tighten in ...
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>>    [161]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>>  2.
>>    [162]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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   IF you had just asked me I would have said wear products were the
   primary component.  But, being aware of how little I know (which is
   reinforced daily) I searched and found an SAE paper
   [1]http://papers.sae.org/340090/

   The abstract of which states:  SINCE it appeared reasonably certain
   that the key to the presence of sludge deposits, regardless of form,
   lies in the oxidation of the oil to give the small amounts of asphaltic
   substances which are inevitably present, the authors prepared the
   following paper to summarize and appraise the evidence on this point
   and to present a method for measuring oil stability.  After discussing
   sludge, its composition and effects, engine observations of oil
   oxidation are stated and the conclusions are reached: (a) that
   appreciable oxidation of each of the oils occurred in a 50-hr. run;
   that (b), variation in engine output markedly influenced oxidation of
   the oils while variation in sump temperatures did not; and (c), that
   even with the wide difference in the character of the oils used,
   chloroform insoluble material ("carbon") did not vary greatly but
   appeared to be determined mainly by engine condition...  In conclusion
   it is said that the indication is that the formation of sludge in motor
   oils is due primarily to asphaltenes resulting from oxidation of the
   oil.


   So, learned something today.  Now, off to change the oil in our SLK.


   Stephen Nelson



   From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
   Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:33 AM
   To: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions


   I wonder how that works with a synthetic oil?  I have drained synthetic
   oil that looks so good I feel guilty.  I have concluded that most or
   all the sludge is an oxidation product on non-synthetic oil.


   Ken


   _______________________________________________________________________

   From: Stephen <[2]steve at snclocks.com>
   To: [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:15 AM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions

   I'd say yes, we do need detergents in our drivers - otherwise there is
   potential for laying down sludge in anywhere oil can settle...
   Stephen Nelson
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   Of Dave
   Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 5:32 AM
   To: Michael Barnes <[5]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>; Julian Kift
   <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: [7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
   Julian,
   Is it true, racing oils, in general contain little to no detergents by
   design? Racing oil is usually changed often, usually after each race
   and
   detergents are not necessary. Street cars need detergents?
   IndyDave
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Michael Barnes [mailto:[8]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk]
   Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 4:12 PM
   To: Julian Kift
   Cc: [9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
   Thanks for that, I had no idea there were so many formulas
   Sent from Michael's iPhone
   On 17 Sep 2016, at 21:02, Julian Kift
   <[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:[11]julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
   wrote:
   The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to
   comply with the mandated specs for street use.
   The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks
   like the
   0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for
   the SF
   rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1
   offerings;
   [12]https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-pro
   duct-spec
   s-guide-2016.pdf
   With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil
   initially to get the rings seated etc.
   Julian
   ________________________________
   From: DeTomaso
   <[13]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[14]detomaso-bounc
   es at server.det
   omasolist.com>> on behalf of Michael Barnes
   <[15]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk<mailto:[16]michaelbarnessrt10 at hot
   mail.co.uk>>
   Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM
   To: Dave Londry
   Cc:
   [17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[18]detomaso at server.detomas
   olist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
   So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My
   engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One
   Sent from Michael's iPhone
   > On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry
   <[19]davel at emspace.com<mailto:[20]davel at emspace.com>> wrote:
   >
   > Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella
   T6.
   > It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
   >
   > And just to keep the discussion lively -
   >
   > ***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.***
   > Dave
   >
   >
   >> On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote:
   >>    Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal
   with
   >>    the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however
   with
   >>    the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to
   gasoline
   >>    formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils
   designed
   >>    for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils
   do
   >>    have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet
   >>    cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually
   recommended
   >>    by the Porsche Club of America.
   >>
   >>    I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between
   "Rotella
   >>    Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics";
   no
   >>    doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the
   Rotella T
   >>    oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4
   triple
   >>    protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature.
   All
   >>    have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would
   be the
   >>    best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
   >>
   >>    Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
   >>
   >>    Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of
   their
   >>    preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure
   racing
   oils
   >>    and marine products.
   >>
   >>    Julian
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>
   >>    From: DeTomaso
   <[21]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[22]detomaso-bounc
   es at server.det
   omasolist.com>> on behalf of
   >>    Himes, Terry (397C)
   <[23]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[24]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>
   >>    Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM
   >>    To:
   [25]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[26]detomaso at server.detomas
   olist.com>
   >>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
   >>
   >>    Good Morning Everyone,
   >>    I don't want to startup the oil discussion again.  But does
   anyone
   have
   >>    thoughts on
   >>    Rotella Type T 15w40.  Which is a heavy duty diesel oil.  It was
   >>    suggested by a local
   >>    Mustang shop.  I like to use the best oil.  No synthetics.
   >>    My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades)
   has
   >>    about 3,500 miles
   >>    on it and running great.
   >>    Thanks so much.
   >>    Terry
   >>    "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   >>    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   >>    Terry W. Himes
   >>    JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   >>    Dawn Spacecraft Team
   >>    Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   >>    Phone: (818) 393-6261
   >>    Cell:    (818) 653-8213
   >>    Fax:    (818) 393-3147
   >>
   [27]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[28]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov><[1]mailto:[29]t
   himes at jpl.nasa.go
   v>
   >>    From: DeTomaso
   >>
   <[30]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[31]detomaso-bounc
   es at server.det
   omasolist.com><mailto:[32]detomaso-bounces at serve
   >>    r.detomasolist.com<[33]http://r.detomasolist.com/>>> on behalf of
   Julian
   Kift
   >>
   <[34]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:[35]julian_kift at hotmail.com><[36]ma
   ilto:julian_kift@
   hotmail.com>>
   >>    Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM
   >>    To: Owen Cooke
   <[37]owen at tadhgcooke.com<mailto:[38]owen at tadhgcooke.com><mailto:[39]owe
   n at tadhgcooke.com>
   >,
   >>
   "[40]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[41]detomaso at server.detoma
   solist.com><m
   ailto:[42]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   <[43]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[44]detomaso at server.detoma
   solist.com><m
   ailto:[45]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19
   >>    It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling
   system,
   >>    although I have to wonder which of the particular changes
   contributed
   >>    most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a
   bulk of
   >>    the problem.
   >>    I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it
   overheated
   >>    in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about
   >>    swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a
   setup.
   >>    When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I
   found it
   >>    was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland
   t-stat and
   >>    voila heating issues resolved.
   >>    It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying
   out big
   >>    $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated
   about
   >>    these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in
   the way
   >>    of a good story"
   >>    Julian
   >>    ________________________________
   >>    From: DeTomaso
   >>
   <[46]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[47]detomaso-bounc
   es at server.det
   omasolist.com><mailto:[48]detomaso-bounces at serve
   >>    r.detomasolist.com<[49]http://r.detomasolist.com/>>> on behalf of
   Owen
   Cooke
   >>
   <[50]owen at tadhgcooke.com<mailto:[51]owen at tadhgcooke.com><mailto:[52]owe
   n at tadhgcooke.com>
   >
   >>    Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM
   >>    To:
   >>
   [53]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[54]detomaso at server.detomas
   olist.com><ma
   ilto:[55]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19
   >>    guys
   >>    i had overheating problems
   >>    i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the
   rad
   >>    back to the swirl tank  and no fitting in halls rad for it apart
   from
   a
   >>    top bleed screw
   >>    so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the
   bleed
   pipe
   >>    to it
   >>    then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock
   brackets
   >>    and wired them directly from the battery  to the relays
   >>    i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder
   >>    i removed that and fitted a new stat
   >>    now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c
   or
   >>    195f  in all conditions
   >>    my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but
   its
   >>    steady and i know what to expect
   >>    very happy with result
   >>    owen cooke
   >>    On 16/09/2016 23:31,
   >>
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   >>    Today's Topics:
   >>        1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
   >>        2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C))
   >>        3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
   >>        4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ)
   >>        5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
   >>        6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
   >>        7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock)
   >>        8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
   >>        9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green)
   >>        10.  McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch)
   >>        11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
   >>        12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
   >>        13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman)
   >>        14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
   >>        15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock)
   >>        16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew)
   >>        17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift)
   >>        18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew)
   >>        19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch)
   >>        20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
   >>        21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier)
   >>        22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn)
   >>        23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill)
   >>        24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill)
   >>
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   >>    Message: 1
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700
   >>    From: Jack Donahue
   <[74]demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:[75]demongusta at gmail.com><mailto:[76]d
   emongusta at gmail.c
   om>>
   >>    To:
   >>
   "[77]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[78]detomaso at server.detoma
   solist.com><m
   ailto:[79]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   >>
   <[80]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[81]detomaso at server.detoma
   solist.com><m
   ailto:[82]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Cc:
   >>
   "[83]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[84]detomaso at server.detoma
   solist.com><m
   ailto:[85]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   >>
   <[86]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[87]detomaso at server.detoma
   solist.com><m
   ailto:[88]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   <[89]CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC at gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF
   9-422E-AD
   [90]65-2D23A9ABE4BC at gmail.com><[91]mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-42
   >>
   [92]2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC at gmail.com<mailto:[93]2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC at gmai
   l.com>>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
   >>    Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
   >>    radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
   since I
   >>    wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I
   have
   to
   >>    admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t
   broke,
   >>    but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol.
   There
   >>    really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it
   right
   >>    now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
   >>    ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be
   ?tried-and-proven?.
   >>    Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
   they
   are
   >>    suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
   >>    sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
   SPAL,
   >>    and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the
   Flex-a-lite?s
   >>    since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that
   is a
   >>    perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
   >>    offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
   for
   >>    me.
   >>    So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   >>    jack
   >>    #4348
   >>    ------------------------------
   >>    Message: 2
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000
   >>    From: "Himes, Terry (397C)"
   >>
   <[94]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[95]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov><mail
   to:terry.hime
   [96]s at jpl.nasa.gov>>
   >>    To: Jack Donahue
   <[97]demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:[98]demongusta at gmail.com><mailto:[99]d
   emongusta at gmail.c
   om>>,
   >>
   >>
   "[100]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[101]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[102]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   <[103]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[104]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[105]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   <D4016E9F.92F3B%[106]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[107]thimes at jpl.nasa.go
   v><mailto:D4016
   E9F.92F3B%[108]thimes at jpl.na<mailto:[109]thimes at jpl.na>
   >>    sa.gov<[110]http://sa.gov/>>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >>    Jack,
   >>    Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new
   fans.
   I'm
   >>    not going to change it
   >>    now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal
   with
   >>    it.  So keep posting and
   >>    I will keep saving the responses.  ;-)
   >>    Terry
   >>    "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   >>      stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   >>    Terry W. Himes
   >>    JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   >>    Dawn Spacecraft Team
   >>    Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   >>    Phone: (818) 393-6261
   >>    Cell:    (818) 653-8213
   >>    Fax:    (818) 393-3147
   >>
   [111]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[112]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov><[4]mailto:[11
   3]thimes at jpl.nasa.go
   v><mailto:[114]thimes at jpl.na
   >>    sa.gov<[115]http://sa.gov/>>
   >>    ??
   >>    From: DeTomaso
   >>
   <[116]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[117]detomaso-bou
   nces at server.det
   omasolist.com><mailto:[118]detomaso-bounces at serve
   >>
   r.detomasolist.com<[119]http://r.detomasolist.com/>><mailto:[120]detoma
   so-bounces at serve
   r.detomasolist.com>>
   >>    on behalf of Jack Donahue
   >>
   <[121]demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:[122]demongusta at gmail.com><mailto:[12
   3]demongusta at gmail.c
   om><mailto:[124]demongusta at gm
   >>    ail.com<[125]http://ail.com/>>>
   >>    Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
   >>    To:
   >>
   "[126]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[127]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[128]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om><mailto:[129]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
   >>
   <[130]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[131]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[132]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om><mailto:[133]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
   >>    Cc:
   >>
   "[134]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[135]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[136]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om><mailto:[137]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
   >>
   <[138]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[139]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[140]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om><mailto:[141]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
   >>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >>    Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
   >>    radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
   since I
   >>    wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I
   have
   to
   >>    admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t
   broke,
   >>    but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol.
   There
   >>    really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it
   right
   >>    now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
   >>    ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be
   ?tried-and-proven?.
   >>    Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
   they
   are
   >>    suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
   >>    sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
   SPAL,
   >>    and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the
   Flex-a-lite?s
   >>    since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that
   is a
   >>    perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
   >>    offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
   for
   >>    me.
   >>    So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   >>    jack
   >>    #4348
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   >>    -------------- next part --------------
   >>        Jack,
   >>        Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new
   >>    fans.  I'm
   >>        not going to change it
   >>        now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to
   deal
   >>    with
   >>        it.  So keep posting and
   >>        I will keep saving the responses.  ;-)
   >>        Terry
   >>        "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   >>          stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   >>        Terry W. Himes
   >>        JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   >>        Dawn Spacecraft Team
   >>        Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   >>        Phone: (818) 393-6261
   >>        Cell:    (818) 653-8213
   >>        Fax:    (818) 393-3147
   >>
   [1][147]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[148]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:[14
   9]thimes at jpl.nasa.go
   v>
   >>        From: DeTomaso
   >>
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   bounces at server.
   detomasolist.com><mailto:[152]detomaso-bounces at se
   >>    rver.detomasolist.com<[153]http://rver.detomasolist.com/>>> on
   behalf
   >>        of Jack Donahue
   >>
   <[3][154]demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:[155]demongusta at gmail.com><mailto:
   [156]demongusta at gmai
   l.com>>
   >>        Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
   >>        To:
   >>
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   etomasolist.com
   ><mailto:[159]detomaso at server.detomasolis
   >>    t.com<[160]http://t.com/>>"
   >>
   >>
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   etomasolist.com
   ><mailto:[163]detomaso at server.detomasolis
   >>    t.com<[164]http://t.com/>>>
   >>        Cc:
   >>
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   etomasolist.com
   ><mailto:[167]detomaso at server.detomasolis
   >>    t.com<[168]http://t.com/>>"
   >>
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   <[7][169]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[170]detomaso at server.d
   etomasolist.com
   ><mailto:[171]detomaso at server.detomasolis
   >>    t.com<[172]http://t.com/>>>
   >>        Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >>        Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
   >>        about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall
   >>    radiator,
   >>        since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes
   Mike
   >>    Drew, I
   >>        have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED
   to. It
   >>    ain't
   >>        broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that,
   >>    but...Lol.
   >>        There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to
   >>    mention it
   >>        right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says
   they
   >>    will
   >>        "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be
   >>    "tried-and-proven".
   >>        Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans,
   but
   >>    they are
   >>        suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved"  -
   >>        sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are
   Mariah,
   >>    SPAL,
   >>        and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the
   Flex-a-lite's
   >>        since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud
   that
   is
   >>    a
   >>        perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And
   someone
   >>        offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All
   normal
   >>    for
   >>        me.
   >>        So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   >>        jack
   >>        #4348
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   >>        2. [7]mailto:[178]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   >>        3. [8]mailto:[179]demongusta at gmail.com
   >>        4. [9]mailto:[180]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>        5. [10]mailto:[181]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>        6. [11]mailto:[182]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>        7. [12]mailto:[183]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>        8. [13]mailto:[184]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>        9.
   [14][185]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >>    ------------------------------
   >>    Message: 3
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:03:20 -0700
   >>    From: MyCars
   <[186]mycars at comcast.net<mailto:[187]mycars at comcast.net><mailto:[188]my
   cars at comcast.net>>
   >>    To:
   >>
   [189]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[190]detomaso at server.detom
   asolist.com><ma
   ilto:[191]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   <[192]6fa00360-0d5e-3618-1132-2455f7b0aca2 at comcast.net<mailto:6fa00360-
   0d5e-3618-
   [193]1132-2455f7b0aca2 at comcast.net><[194]mailto:6fa00360-0d5e-
   >>
   [195]3618-1132-2455f7b0aca2 at comcast.net<mailto:[196]3618-1132-2455f7b0a
   ca2 at comcast.net
   >>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
   >>    I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
   for
   the
   >>    rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
   >>    I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
   would
   >>    give
   >>    the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
   >>    Thanks in advance for your thoughts
   >>    Roy
   >>    ------------------------------
   >>    Message: 4
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:08:50 +0000 (UTC)
   >>    From: LSJ
   <[197]lashdeep at yahoo.com<mailto:[198]lashdeep at yahoo.com><mailto:[199]la
   shdeep at yahoo.com>>
   >>    To: MyCars
   <[200]mycars at comcast.net<mailto:[201]mycars at comcast.net><mailto:[202]my
   cars at comcast.net>>,
   >>
   "[203]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[204]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[205]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   >>
   <[206]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[207]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[208]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   <[209]1287234121.1004140.1474045730621 at mail.yahoo.com<mailto:1287234121
   .1004140.1
   [210]474045730621 at mail.yahoo.com><[211]mailto:1287234121.1004
   >>
   [212]140.1474045730621 at mail.yahoo.com<mailto:[213]140.1474045730621 at mai
   l.yahoo.com>>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >>    What size wheel up front?
   >>    ?LSJ
   >>    central wines-spirits?? est 1934
   >>    625 e street nw
   >>    washington, dc 20004
   >>    centralwines.com<[214]http://centralwines.com/>
   >>
   facebook.com/CentralLiquors<[215]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors>
   >>    202-737-2800
   >>            From: MyCars
   <[216]mycars at comcast.net<mailto:[217]mycars at comcast.net><mailto:[218]my
   cars at comcast.net>>
   >>      To:
   >>
   [219]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[220]detomaso at server.detom
   asolist.com><ma
   ilto:[221]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>      Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
   >>      Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   >>    I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
   for
   the
   >>    rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
   >>    I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
   would
   >>    give
   >>    the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
   >>    Thanks in advance for your thoughts
   >>    Roy
   >>    _______________________________________________
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   asolist.com><ma
   ilto:[224]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>    [15][225]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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   >>    -------------- next part --------------
   >>        What size wheel up front?
   >>        LSJ
   >>        central
   >>        wines-spirits  est 1934
   >>        625 e street nw
   >>        washington, dc 20004
   >>        [1]centralwines.com<[226]http://centralwines.com/>
   >>
   [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors<[227]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors>
   >>        202-737-2800
   >>
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>        From: MyCars
   <[228]mycars at comcast.net<mailto:[229]mycars at comcast.net><mailto:[230]my
   cars at comcast.net>>
   >>        To:
   >>
   [231]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[232]detomaso at server.detom
   asolist.com><ma
   ilto:[233]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>        Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
   >>        Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   >>        I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall)
   tires
   >>    for the
   >>        rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
   >>        I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
   >>    would
   >>        give
   >>        the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
   >>        Thanks in advance for your thoughts
   >>        Roy
   >>        _______________________________________________
   >>        Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >>        Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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   tomasolist.com>
   <mailto:[236]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist
   >>    .com>
   >>
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   >>    References
   >>        1. [16][238]http://centralwines.com/
   >>        2. [17][239]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors
   >>        3. [18]mailto:[240]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>        4.
   [19][241]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >>    ------------------------------
   >>    Message: 5
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:13:05 -0700
   >>    From: Jack Donahue
   <[242]demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:[243]demongusta at gmail.com><mailto:[24
   4]demongusta at gmail.c
   om>>
   >>    To: "Himes, Terry (397C)"
   >>
   <[245]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[246]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov><ma
   ilto:terry.hime
   [247]s at jpl.nasa.gov>>
   >>    Cc:
   >>
   "[248]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[249]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[250]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   >>
   <[251]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[252]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[253]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   <[254]09791B61-DE0D-40CC-859D-437A8528952A at gmail.com<mailto:09791B61-DE
   0D-40CC-85
   [255]9D-437A8528952A at gmail.com><[256]mailto:09791B61-DE0D-40
   >>
   [257]CC-859D-437A8528952A at gmail.com<mailto:[258]CC-859D-437A8528952A at gm
   ail.com>>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >>    Terry - I don?t have the original radiator - I currently have a
   >>    Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in
   front.
   >>    Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of
   mine
   >>    who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud -
   says
   >>    it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST
   get one
   >>    for the whole ?Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good
   -
   >>    (PHPP).  Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was
   >>    ?converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be  more reliable -
   and
   more
   >>    repairable (which I like).
   >>    jack
   >>    On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
   >>
   <[259]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[260]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov><ma
   ilto:terry.hime
   [261]s at jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:
   >>    Jack,
   >>    Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new
   fans.
   I'm
   >>    not going to change it
   >>    now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal
   with
   >>    it.  So keep posting and
   >>    I will keep saving the responses.  ;-)
   >>    Terry
   >>    "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   >>      stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   >>    Terry W. Himes
   >>    JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   >>    Dawn Spacecraft Team
   >>    Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   >>    Phone: (818) 393-6261
   >>    Cell:    (818) 653-8213
   >>    Fax:    (818) 393-3147
   >>
   [262]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[263]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov><[20]mailto:[2
   64]thimes at jpl.nasa.g
   ov>
   >>    <[21]mailto:[265]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   >>    ??
   >>    From: DeTomaso
   >>
   <[266]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[267]detomaso-bou
   nces at server.det
   omasolist.com><mailto:[268]detomaso-bounces at serve
   >>    r.detomasolist.com<[269]http://r.detomasolist.com/>>
   >>    <[22]mailto:[270]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on
   behalf of
   >>    Jack Donahue
   <[271]demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:[272]demongusta at gmail.com><mailto:[27
   3]demongusta at gmail.c
   om>
   >>    <[23]mailto:[274]demongusta at gmail.com>>
   >>    Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
   >>    To:
   >>
   "[275]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[276]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[277]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om> <[24]mailto:[278]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
   >>
   <[279]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[280]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[281]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om> <[25]mailto:[282]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
   >>    Cc:
   >>
   "[283]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[284]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[285]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om> <[26]mailto:[286]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
   >>
   <[287]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[288]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[289]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om> <[27]mailto:[290]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
   >>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >>    Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
   >>    radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
   since I
   >>    wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I
   have
   to
   >>    admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t
   broke,
   >>    but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol.
   There
   >>    really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it
   right
   >>    now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
   >>    ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be
   ?tried-and-proven?.
   >>    Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
   they
   are
   >>    suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
   >>    sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
   SPAL,
   >>    and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the
   Flex-a-lite?s
   >>    since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that
   is a
   >>    perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
   >>    offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
   for
   >>    me.
   >>    So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   >>    jack
   >>    #4348
   >>    _______________________________________________
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   [291]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[292]DeTomaso at server.detom
   asolist.com><ma
   ilto:[293]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m> <[28]mailto:[294]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>    [29][295]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >>
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   >>    -------------- next part --------------
   >>        Terry - I don't have the original radiator - I currently have
   a
   >>        Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser
   in
   >>    front.
   >>        Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend
   of
   >>    mine
   >>        who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a
   shroud -
   >>    says
   >>        it really made a difference for him and that I should AT
   LEAST
   get
   >>    one
   >>        for the whole "Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds
   good
   -
   >>        (PHPP).  Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I
   was
   >>        "converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be  more reliable
   -
   and
   >>    more
   >>        repairable (which I like).
   >>        jack
   >>        On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
   >>
   <[1][297]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[298]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   <mailto:terry.h
   [299]imes at jpl.nasa.gov>>
   >>    wrote:
   >>        Jack,
   >>        Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new
   >>    fans.  I'm
   >>        not going to change it
   >>        now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to
   deal
   >>    with
   >>        it.  So keep posting and
   >>        I will keep saving the responses.  ;-)
   >>        Terry
   >>        "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   >>          stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   >>        Terry W. Himes
   >>        JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   >>        Dawn Spacecraft Team
   >>        Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   >>        Phone: (818) 393-6261
   >>        Cell:    (818) 653-8213
   >>        Fax:    (818) 393-3147
   >>
   [2][300]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[301]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:[30
   2]thimes at jpl.nasa.go
   v>
   >>        From: DeTomaso
   >>
   <[3][303]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[304]detomaso-
   bounces at server.
   detomasolist.com><mailto:[305]detomaso-bounces at se
   >>    rver.detomasolist.com<[306]http://rver.detomasolist.com/>>> on
   behalf
   >>        of Jack Donahue
   >>
   <[4][307]demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:[308]demongusta at gmail.com><mailto:
   [309]demongusta at gmai
   l.com>>
   >>        Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
   >>        To:
   >>
   "[5][310]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[311]detomaso at server.d
   etomasolist.com
   ><mailto:[312]detomaso at server.detomasolis
   >>    t.com<[313]http://t.com/>>"
   >>
   >>
   <[6][314]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[315]detomaso at server.d
   etomasolist.com
   ><mailto:[316]detomaso at server.detomasolis
   >>    t.com<[317]http://t.com/>>>
   >>        Cc:
   >>
   "[7][318]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[319]detomaso at server.d
   etomasolist.com
   ><mailto:[320]detomaso at server.detomasolis
   >>    t.com<[321]http://t.com/>>"
   >>
   >>
   <[8][322]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[323]detomaso at server.d
   etomasolist.com
   ><mailto:[324]detomaso at server.detomasolis
   >>    t.com<[325]http://t.com/>>>
   >>        Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >>        Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
   >>        about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall
   >>    radiator,
   >>        since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes
   Mike
   >>    Drew, I
   >>        have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED
   to. It
   >>    ain't
   >>        broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that,
   >>    but...Lol.
   >>        There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to
   >>    mention it
   >>        right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says
   they
   >>    will
   >>        "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be
   >>    "tried-and-proven".
   >>        Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans,
   but
   >>    they are
   >>        suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved"  -
   >>        sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are
   Mariah,
   >>    SPAL,
   >>        and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the
   Flex-a-lite's
   >>        since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud
   that
   is
   >>    a
   >>        perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And
   someone
   >>        offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All
   normal
   >>    for
   >>        me.
   >>        So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   >>        jack
   >>        #4348
   >>        _______________________________________________
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   tomasolist.com>
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   >>    .com>
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   >>        9. [39]mailto:[338]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>        10.
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   >>    ------------------------------
   >>    Message: 6

   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:17:31 -0700
   >>    From: Jack Donahue
   <[340]demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:[341]demongusta at gmail.com><mailto:[34
   2]demongusta at gmail.c
   om>>
   >>    To:
   [343]GR2835 at comcast.net<mailto:[344]GR2835 at comcast.net><[41]mailto:[345
   ]GR2835 at comcast.net>
   >>    Cc:
   >>
   "[346]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[347]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[348]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   >>
   <[349]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[350]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[351]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   <[352]2334BABE-726C-4D16-85EA-BB997B2B61CB at gmail.com<mailto:2334BABE-72
   6C-4D16-85
   [353]EA-BB997B2B61CB at gmail.com><mailto:2334BABE-726C-4D
   >>
   [354]16-85EA-BB997B2B61CB at gmail.com<mailto:[355]16-85EA-BB997B2B61CB at gm
   ail.com>>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
   >>    There-in lies one of my problems - I could never MAKE a shroud. I
   wish
   >>    I could - maybe out of foil-wrap. I will check out that website,
   >>    thanks.
   >>    On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM,
   >>
   [356]GR2835 at comcast.net<mailto:[357]GR2835 at comcast.net><[42]mailto:[358
   ]GR2835 at comcast.net>
   wrote:
   >>    Pantera Electronics has recommended fans with part numbers under
   the
   >>    fan controller button on their website.
   >>    I have a stock radiator that was modified for lay down and air
   >>    conditioning condenser up front........I have a fan shroud that I
   made
   >>    and mounted the 2 sucker fans. 192 thermostat ran 192 in a 14
   mile
   >>    traffic jam last year that.took me 90 minutes to get
   >>    through.......temperature was 98 degrees leaving the 2015
   Woodward
   >>    Cruise...........my wife complained that she was too cold with
   the air
   >>    set on the warmest setting.
   >>    Good luck
   >>    Gerry in Illinois
   >>    ----- Original Message -----
   >>    From: Jack Donahue
   <[359]demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:[360]demongusta at gmail.com><mailto:[36
   1]demongusta at gmail.c
   om>>
   >>    To:
   >>
   [362]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[363]detomaso at server.detom
   asolist.com><ma
   ilto:[364]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>    Cc:
   >>
   [365]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[366]detomaso at server.detom
   asolist.com><ma
   ilto:[367]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>    Sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:29:46 -0000 (UTC)
   >>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >>    Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
   >>    radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
   since I
   >>    wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I
   have
   to
   >>    admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t
   broke,
   >>    but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol.
   There
   >>    really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it
   right
   >>    now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
   >>    ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be
   ?tried-and-proven?.
   >>    Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
   they
   are
   >>    suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
   >>    sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
   SPAL,
   >>    and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the
   Flex-a-lite?s
   >>    since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that
   is a
   >>    perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
   >>    offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
   for
   >>    me.
   >>    So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   >>    jack
   >>    #4348
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   >>    Message: 7
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:24:26 -0700
   >>    From: Larry Stock
   >>
   <[372]larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:[373]larrys at panteraparts.com><mail
   to:[374]larrys at pante
   raparts.com>>
   >>    To: Jack Donahue
   <[375]demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:[376]demongusta at gmail.com><mailto:[37
   7]demongusta at gmail.c
   om>>
   >>    Cc:
   >>
   "[378]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[379]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[380]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   >>
   <[381]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[382]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[383]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   <D4018324.17A0EF%[384]larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:[385]larrys at panter
   aparts.com><mai
   lto:D4018324.17A0EF%larrys@
   >>    panteraparts.com<[386]http://panteraparts.com/>>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="ISO-8859-1"
   >>    Hi Jack,
   >>    You should be able to use the fans off the Fluidyne, if not we
   have
   our
   >>    Maridyne system fans and our own bracket kit and if you need
   shrouds
   >>    for a
   >>    full lie-down system, we have those too. Typically we recommend
   our
   >>    half
   >>    Lay forward system which minimizes the thru air turbulence.
   >>        11041B Defl. Rad. S.S. Lay down for kit $95.00
   >>    11042B Stainless deflector right $65.00
   >>    11043B Stainless deflector left $65.00
   >>    11055B Radiator Puller Fan Shroud SS Mounting brackets set of 3
   $125.00
   >>    11055P PPC Puller Fans & Shroud Assy $325.00
   >>    If the Hall Brass radiator has the stock quick 90 degree hard
   radiator
   >>    tubes installed, you will not be able to mount a puller fan
   shroud
   >>    under
   >>    those tubes, if it has the straight out tubes then you can use 90
   >>    degree
   >>    molded rubber hoses to clear the Puller shroud like your
   Fluidyne.
   >>    Larry Stock
   >>    Pantera Parts Connection LC
   >>    550 Mallory Way
   >>    Carson City NV 89701
   >>
   [44]www.PanteraParts.com<[387]http://www.panteraparts.com/><[388]http:/
   /www.panterapart/
   s.com<[389]http://www.panteraparts.com/>>
   >>    PH  775-283-4411
   >>    Fax 775-283-4410
   >>    Cell 1-800-DeTomaso 800-338-6627
   >>    On 9/16/16, 9:29 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue"
   >>
   <[390]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[391]detomaso-bou
   nces at server.det
   omasolist.com><mailto:[392]detomaso-bounces at serve
   >>    r.detomasolist.com<[393]http://r.detomasolist.com/>> on behalf of
   >>
   [394]demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:[395]demongusta at gmail.com><mailto:[396
   ]demongusta at gmail.co
   m>> wrote:
   >>    Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
   >>    radiators
   >>    - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
   wanted
   >>    brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
   admit
   >>    it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
   but I
   >>    am
   >>    fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really
   is an
   >>    ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now;
   but I
   >>    ran
   >>    my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will ?build-to-suit? -
   but
   >>    the
   >>    Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
   >>    Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
   they
   are
   >>    suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
   >>    sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
   SPAL,
   >>    and
   >>    Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
   since
   >>    they
   >>    said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect
   match
   >>    for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up  a
   part
   >>    number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
   >>    So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   >>    jack
   >>    #4348
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   >>    m>
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   >>    ------------------------------
   >>    Message: 8
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:09:55 -0500
   >>    From: Cullen McCann
   >>
   <[401]cmccann1972 at gmail.com<mailto:[402]cmccann1972 at gmail.com><mailto:[
   403]cmccann1972 at gmai
   l.com>>
   >>    To:
   >>
   [404]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[405]detomaso at server.detom
   asolist.com><ma
   ilto:[406]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>    Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   >>
   <CAFwr-MXfE-RBLar+[407]qAHGPYYWnwSszwYufvAcAcUT2ngvZZ1Aqg at mail.gmail.co
   m<mailto:C
   AFwr-MXfE-RBLar+[408]qAHGPYYWnwSszwYufvAcAcUT2ngvZZ1Aqg at mail.gmail.com>
   <mai
   >>
   lto:CAFwr-MXfE-RBLar+[409]qAHGPYYWnwSszwYufvAcAcUT2ngvZZ1Aqg at mail.gmail
   .com<mailt
   o:MXfE-RBLar+[410]qAHGPYYWnwSszwYufvAcAcUT2ngvZZ1Aqg at mail.gmail.com>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >>    Good afternoon!
   >>    Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that
   they
   >>    say is
   >>    Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've
   had a
   >>    fantastic experience with them on another performance car
   application.
   >>    [46][411]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
   >>    Thank you!!
   >>    -------------- next part --------------
   >>        Good afternoon!
   >>        Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing
   that
   >>    they
   >>        say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your
   experience?
   >>    I've
   >>        had a fantastic experience with them on another performance
   car
   >>        application.
   >>        [1][412]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
   >>        Thank you!!
   >>    References
   >>        1. [47][413]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
   >>    ------------------------------
   >>    Message: 9
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:27:46 +0000 (UTC)
   >>    From: Ken Green
   <[414]kenn_green at yahoo.com<mailto:[415]kenn_green at yahoo.com><mailto:[41
   6]kenn_green at yahoo.c
   om>>
   >>    To: Jack Donahue
   <[417]demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:[418]demongusta at gmail.com><mailto:[41
   9]demongusta at gmail.c
   om>>,
   >>
   >>
   "[420]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[421]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[422]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   <[423]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[424]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[425]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   <[426]1796334072.2409059.1474054066544 at mail.yahoo.com<mailto:1796334072
   .2409059.1
   [427]474054066544 at mail.yahoo.com><mailto:1796334072.2409
   >>
   [428]059.1474054066544 at mail.yahoo.com<mailto:[429]059.1474054066544 at mai
   l.yahoo.com>>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >>    Jack,
   >>    ??? You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
   >>
   [48][430]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fan
   s/uni
   >>    versal/primary-fans.html
   >>            From: Jack Donahue
   >>
   <[431]demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:[432]demongusta at gmail.com><mailto:[43
   3]demongusta at gmail.c
   om>>
   >>      To:
   >>
   "[434]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[435]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[436]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   <[437]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[438]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[439]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Cc:
   >>
   "[440]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[441]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[442]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   <[443]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[444]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[445]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>      Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
   >>      Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >>    Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about?
   >>    radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
   since I
   >>    wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.? And, yes Mike Drew, I
   have
   to
   >>    admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t
   broke,
   >>    but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol.
   There
   >>    really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it
   right
   >>    now; but I ran my idea past? Brassworks? - who says they will
   >>    ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be
   ?tried-and-proven?.
   >>    Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
   they
   are
   >>    suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?? -
   >>    sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
   SPAL,
   >>    and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the
   Flex-a-lite?s
   >>    since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that
   is a
   >>    perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
   >>    offered-up? a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
   for
   >>    me.
   >>    So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   >>    jack
   >>    #4348
   >>    _______________________________________________
   >>    Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >>    Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >>    DeTomaso mailing list
   >>
   [446]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[447]DeTomaso at server.detom
   asolist.com><ma
   ilto:[448]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>    [49][449]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >>    To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
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   >>    list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
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   >>    or approve the archiving of list messages.
   >>    -------------- next part --------------
   >>        Jack,
   >>            You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
   >>
   >>
   [1][450]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans
   /univ
   >>        ersal/primary-fans.html
   >>
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>        From: Jack Donahue
   >>
   <[451]demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:[452]demongusta at gmail.com><mailto:[45
   3]demongusta at gmail.c
   om>>
   >>        To:
   >>
   "[454]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[455]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[456]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   >>
   <[457]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[458]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[459]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>        Cc:
   >>
   "[460]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[461]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[462]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   >>
   <[463]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[464]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[465]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>        Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
   >>        Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >>        Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
   >>        radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall
   radiator,
   >>    since I
   >>        wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew,
   I
   >>    have to
   >>        admit itas because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It
   ainat
   >>    broke,
   >>        but I am fixing it(?). Didnat want to admit that, but...Lol.
   There
   >>        really is an ulterior motive, but I just donat want to
   mention it
   >>    right
   >>        now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
   >>        abuild-to-suita - but the Hall unit looks to be
   >>    atried-and-provena.
   >>        Now - fans. I really donat know the brand name of my fans,
   but
   >>    they are
   >>        suckers - about 12a diameter - and the blades are acurveda  -
   >>        sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are
   Mariah,
   >>    SPAL,
   >>        and Flex-a-lite. I had read someoneas post about the
   Flex-a-liteas
   >>        since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud
   that
   is
   >>    a
   >>        perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And
   someone
   >>        offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All
   normal
   >>    for
   >>        me.
   >>        So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   >>        jack
   >>        #4348
   >>        _______________________________________________
   >>        Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >>        Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >>        DeTomaso mailing list
   >>
   >>
   [2][466]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[467]DeTomaso at server.de
   tomasolist.com>
   <mailto:[468]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist
   >>    .com>
   >>
   [3][469]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >>        To manage your subscription (change email address,
   unsubscribe,
   >>    etc.)
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   >>    any
   >>        message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of
   the
   >>        list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain
   an
   >>    archive
   >>        or approve the archiving of list messages.
   >>    References
   >>        1.
   >>
   [50][470]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fan
   s/uni
   >>    versal/primary-fans.html
   >>        2. [51]mailto:[471]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>        3.
   [52][472]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >>    ------------------------------
   >>    Message: 10
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:35:17 -0700
   >>    From: Larry Finch
   <[473]fresnofinches at aol.com<mailto:[474]fresnofinches at aol.com><mailto:[
   475]fresnofinches at ao
   l.com>>
   >>    To: Email List Address For Posting
   >>
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   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[478]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: [DeTomaso]  McLeod hydraulic throw out
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
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   -47C0-A0DC
   [480]-59494515D156 at aol.com><mailto:6C366701-6502-47C0
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   >
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
   >>    Cullen,
   >>    2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
   it
   in
   >>    2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
   >>    recently did so using what I believe to be their current
   offering. I
   >>    spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod.
   >>    My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
   >>    The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
   snout
   >>    spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
   still
   had
   >>    on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
   fitting
   >>    where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen
   of
   >>    course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
   line
   >>    attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
   hold
   up
   >>    very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
   >>    The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
   sticking
   >>    outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
   >>    Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
   rebuild
   >>    kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the
   previous
   >>    invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the
   current
   >>    unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I
   ultimately
   >>    determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic
   bearing
   >>    McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They
   added
   no
   >>    suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a
   problem
   >>    within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for
   the
   >>    first two generations.
   >>    While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
   the
   >>    task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite
   exacting
   >>    and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do
   but
   >>    pull the transaxle and start all over again.
   >>    The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
   as
   has
   >>    been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
   fine.
   >>    Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
   on my
   >>    experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
   that
   >>    road for themselves.
   >>    Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
   gory
   >>    details.
   >>    Larry
   >>    Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
   >>    ------------------------------
   >>    Message: 11
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:50:41 -0700
   >>    From: MyCars
   <[483]mycars at comcast.net<mailto:[484]mycars at comcast.net><mailto:[485]my
   cars at comcast.net>>
   >>    To: LSJ
   <[486]lashdeep at yahoo.com<mailto:[487]lashdeep at yahoo.com><mailto:[488]la
   shdeep at yahoo.com>>,
   >>
   "[489]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[490]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[491]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   >>
   <[492]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[493]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[494]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   <[495]37e8f14d-dde9-3ce5-f312-4dd9b1c3f234 at comcast.net<mailto:37e8f14d-
   dde9-3ce5-
   [496]f312-4dd9b1c3f234 at comcast.net><mailto:37e8f14d-dde9-
   >>
   [497]3ce5-f312-4dd9b1c3f234 at comcast.net<mailto:[498]3ce5-f312-4dd9b1c3f
   234 at comcast.net
   >>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
   >>    Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego
   area.
   >>    They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about
   9.5"
   >>    wide.
   >>    On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
   >>    What size wheel up front?
   >>    LSJ
   >>    /*central */
   >>    /*wines-spirits  est 1934
   >>    */
   >>    /*
   >>    */
   >>    /*625 e street nw
   >>    */
   >>    /*washington, dc 20004*/
   >>    /*
   >>    */
   >>    /*centralwines.com<[499]http://centralwines.com/>
   <[53][500]http://centralwines.com/>
   >>    */
   >>    /*
   >>    */
   >>
   /*facebook.com/CentralLiquors<[501]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors>
   <[54][502]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors>
   >>    */
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   >>    */
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   >>
   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
   >>    -
   >>    *From:* MyCars
   <[503]mycars at comcast.net<mailto:[504]mycars at comcast.net><mailto:[505]my
   cars at comcast.net>>
   >>    *To:*
   >>
   [506]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[507]detomaso at server.detom
   asolist.com><ma
   ilto:[508]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>    *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
   >>    *Subject:* [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   >>    I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
   for
   the
   >>    rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
   >>    I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
   would
   >>    give
   >>    the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
   >>    Thanks in advance for your thoughts
   >>    Roy
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   >>    m> <[55]mailto:[512]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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   >>        Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San
   Diego
   >>    area.
   >>        They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are
   about
   >>    9.5"
   >>        wide.
   >>        On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
   >>        What size wheel up front?
   >>        LSJ
   >>        central
   >>        wines-spirits  est 1934
   >>        625 e street nw
   >>        washington, dc 20004
   >>        [1]centralwines.com<[514]http://centralwines.com/>
   >>
   [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors<[515]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors>
   >>        202-737-2800
   >>
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>        From: MyCars
   [3]<[516]mycars at comcast.net<mailto:[517]mycars at comcast.net><mailto:[518
   ]mycars at comcast.net>
   >
   >>        To:
   >>
   [4][519]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[520]detomaso at server.de
   tomasolist.com>
   <mailto:[521]detomaso at server.detomasolist
   >>    .com>
   >>        Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
   >>        Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   >>        I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall)
   tires
   >>    for the
   >>        rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
   >>        I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
   >>    would
   >>        give
   >>        the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
   >>        Thanks in advance for your thoughts
   >>        Roy
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   >>        2. [58][527]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors
   >>        3. [59]mailto:[528]mycars at comcast.net
   >>        4. [60]mailto:[529]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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   >>    Message: 12
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:00:36 -0700
   >>    From: MyCars
   <[532]mycars at comcast.net<mailto:[533]mycars at comcast.net><mailto:[534]my
   cars at comcast.net>>
   >>    To:
   >>
   [535]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[536]detomaso at server.detom
   asolist.com><ma
   ilto:[537]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   <[538]013ad905-7f93-99e8-761f-878f602ee6cb at comcast.net<mailto:013ad905-
   7f93-99e8-
   [539]761f-878f602ee6cb at comcast.net><mailto:013ad905-7f93-
   >>
   [540]99e8-761f-878f602ee6cb at comcast.net<mailto:[541]99e8-761f-878f602ee
   6cb at comcast.net
   >>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"
   >>    I just checked Weld's website
   >>
   [63][542]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/pr
   ostar
   >>    .html
   >>    They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are
   9"
   >>    wide
   >>    On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:
   >>          Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San
   Diego
   >>    area.
   >>          They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are
   about
   >>    9.5"
   >>          wide.
   >>          On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
   >>          What size wheel up front?
   >>          LSJ
   >>          central
   >>          wines-spirits  est 1934
   >>          625 e street nw
   >>          washington, dc 20004
   >>          [1]centralwines.com<[543]http://centralwines.com/>
   >>
   [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors<[544]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors>
   >>          202-737-2800
   >>
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>          From: MyCars
   [3]<[545]mycars at comcast.net<mailto:[546]mycars at comcast.net><mailto:[547
   ]mycars at comcast.net>
   >
   >>          To:
   >>
   [4][548]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[549]detomaso at server.de
   tomasolist.com>
   <mailto:[550]detomaso at server.detomasolist
   >>    .com>
   >>          Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
   >>          Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   >>          I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall)
   tires
   >>    for the
   >>          rear and wondering what would be a good match for the
   front.
   >>          I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall).
   This
   >>    would
   >>          give
   >>          the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
   >>          Thanks in advance for your thoughts
   >>          Roy
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   >>          2. [65][556]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors
   >>          3. [66]mailto:[557]mycars at comcast.net
   >>          4. [67]mailto:[558]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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   >>        I just checked Weld's website
   >>
   >>
   [1]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar.
   >>        html
   >>        They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they
   are
   >>    9"
   >>        wide
   >>        On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:
   >>        Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San
   Diego
   >>    area.
   >>        They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are
   about
   >>    9.5"
   >>        wide.
   >>        On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
   >>        What size wheel up front?
   >>        LSJ
   >>        central
   >>        wines-spirits  est 1934
   >>        625 e street nw
   >>        washington, dc 20004
   >>        [1]centralwines.com<[565]http://centralwines.com/>
   >>
   [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors<[566]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors>
   >>        202-737-2800
   >>
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>        From: MyCars
   [3][2]<[567]mycars at comcast.net<mailto:[568]mycars at comcast.net><mailto:[
   569]mycars at comcast.n
   et>>
   >>        To:
   >>
   [[3]4][570]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[571]detomaso at server
   .detomasolist.c
   om><mailto:[572]detomaso at server.detomasol
   >>    ist.com<[573]http://ist.com/>>
   >>        Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
   >>        Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   >>        I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall)
   tires
   >>    for the
   >>        rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
   >>        I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
   >>    would
   >>        give
   >>        the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
   >>        Thanks in advance for your thoughts
   >>        Roy
   >>        _______________________________________________
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   >>        3. [8]mailto:[581]mycars at comcast.net
   >>        4. [9]mailto:[582]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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   ostar
   >>    .html
   >>        2. [72]mailto:[591]mycars at comcast.net
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   >>        4.
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   >>        5.
   [75][596]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >>        6. [76][597]http://centralwines.com/
   >>        7. [77][598]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors
   >>        8. [78]mailto:[599]mycars at comcast.net
   >>        9. [79]mailto:[600]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>        10. [80]mailto:[601]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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   >>    ------------------------------
   >>    Message: 13
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:27 -0400
   >>    From: Will Kooiman
   >>
   <[605]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:[606]will.kooiman at gmail.com><mailto
   :[607]will.kooiman at g
   mail.com>>
   >>    To: Larry Finch
   <[608]fresnofinches at aol.com<mailto:[609]fresnofinches at aol.com><mailto:[
   610]fresnofinches at ao
   l.com>>,
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   ailto:[613]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
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   o:D401CD29.16A666%will.koo
   >>    [616]iman at gmail.com<mailto:[617]iman at gmail.com>>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="ISO-8859-1"
   >>    Wow.
   >>    I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
   >>    My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was
   readily
   >>    available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than
   building a
   >>    new
   >>    bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
   >>    At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
   >>    --
   >>    Will
   >>    On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
   >>
   <[618]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[619]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[620]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>> wrote:
   >>    Cullen,
   >>    2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
   it
   in
   >>    2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
   >>    recently
   >>    did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
   with
   >>    and ordered directly from McLeod.
   >>    My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
   >>    The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
   snout
   >>    spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
   still
   had
   >>    on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
   fitting
   >>    where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen
   of
   >>    course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
   line
   >>    attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
   hold
   up
   >>    very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
   >>    The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
   sticking
   >>    outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
   >>    Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
   rebuild
   >>    kit
   >>    I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
   >>    invoice.
   >>    What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
   unit
   >>    which
   >>    uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
   determined
   >>    that
   >>    for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
   used
   >>    exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
   such as
   >>    a
   >>    ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
   >>    company.
   >>    No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
   generations.
   >>    While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
   the
   >>    task
   >>    of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
   and
   >>    unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
   pull
   >>    the
   >>    transaxle and start all over again.
   >>    The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
   as
   has
   >>    been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
   fine.
   >>    Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
   on my
   >>    experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
   that
   >>    road for themselves.
   >>    Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
   gory
   >>    details.
   >>    Larry
   >>    Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
   >>    _______________________________________________
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   >>    Message: 14
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:50:41 -0500
   >>    From: Cullen McCann
   >>
   <[625]cmccann1972 at gmail.com<mailto:[626]cmccann1972 at gmail.com><mailto:[
   627]cmccann1972 at gmai
   l.com>>
   >>    To: Will Kooiman
   >>
   <[628]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:[629]will.kooiman at gmail.com><mailto
   :[630]will.kooiman at g
   mail.com>>
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   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[633]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>,
   >>            Larry Finch
   >>
   <[634]fresnofinches at aol.com<mailto:[635]fresnofinches at aol.com><mailto:[
   636]fresnofinches at ao
   l.com>>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
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   >>    Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like
   Will, I
   >>    have
   >>    one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been
   there for

   >>    several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that
   was
   >>    "new"
   >>    but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to inquire
   about
   >>    fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to "ensure a
   positive
   >>    experience". I installed it with a performance clutch and a
   >>    scattershield,
   >>    bled it according to the instructions and that was about 4 years
   ago.
   >>    Havent had a lick of trouble.  (knocking on wood now).
   >>    the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the
   clutch
   >>    fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and
   ive
   >>    had a
   >>    bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in
   the
   >>    past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.
   >>    however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I
   set up
   >>    my P
   >>    car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not
   to
   >>    use
   >>    the factory unit.  Thank you sir.
   >>    Cullen
   >>    On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman
   >>
   <[641]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:[642]will.kooiman at gmail.com><mailto
   :[643]will.kooiman at g
   mail.com>>
   >>    wrote:
   >>    Wow.
   >>    I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
   >>    My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was
   readily
   >>    available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than
   building a
   >>    new
   >>    bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
   >>    At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
   >>    --
   >>    Will
   >>    On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
   >>
   <[644]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[645]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[646]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>> wrote:
   >>    Cullen,
   >>    2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
   it
   in
   >>    2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
   >>    recently
   >>    did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
   with
   >>    and ordered directly from McLeod.
   >>    My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
   >>    The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
   snout
   >>    spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
   still
   had
   >>    on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
   fitting
   >>    where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen
   of
   >>    course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
   line
   >>    attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
   hold
   up
   >>    very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
   >>    The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
   sticking
   >>    outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
   >>    Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
   rebuild
   >>    kit
   >>    I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
   >>    invoice.
   >>    What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
   unit
   >>    which
   >>    uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
   determined
   >>    that
   >>    for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
   used
   >>    exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
   such as
   >>    a
   >>    ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
   >>    company.
   >>    No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
   generations.
   >>    While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
   the
   >>    task
   >>    of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
   and
   >>    unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
   pull
   >>    the
   >>    transaxle and start all over again.
   >>    The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
   as
   has
   >>    been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
   fine.
   >>    Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
   on my
   >>    experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
   that
   >>    road for themselves.
   >>    Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
   gory
   >>    details.
   >>    Larry
   >>    Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
   >>    _______________________________________________
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   >>        Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am
   like
   >>    Will, I
   >>        have one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its
   been
   >>    there
   >>        for several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought
   one
   >>    that
   >>        was "new" but several generations old, and when I called
   McLeod
   to
   >>        inquire about fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit
   just
   to
   >>        "ensure a positive experience". I installed it with a
   performance
   >>        clutch and a scattershield, bled it according to the
   instructions
   >>    and
   >>        that was about 4 years ago. Havent had a lick of trouble.A
   >>    (knocking
   >>        on wood now).
   >>        the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit
   the
   >>    clutch
   >>        fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail,
   and
   >>    ive
   >>        had a bad experience with performance clutches and cables
   breaking
   >>    in
   >>        the past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.
   >>        however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as
   I
   set
   >>    up
   >>        my P car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I
   choose
   >>    not
   >>        to use the factory unit.A  Thank you sir.
   >>        Cullen
   >>        On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman
   >>
   <[1][655]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:[656]will.kooiman at gmail.com><mai
   lto:will.kooima
   [657]n at gmail.com>> wrote:
   >>          Wow.
   >>          I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
   >>          My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was
   >>    readily
   >>          available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A  Rather
   than
   >>          building a new
   >>          bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod
   slave.
   >>          At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
   >>          --
   >>          Will
   >>          On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
   >>
   >>
   <[2][658]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[659]detomaso at server.d
   etomasolist.com
   ><mailto:[660]detomaso at server.detomasolis
   >>    t.com<[661]http://t.com/>>> wrote:
   >>> Cullen,
   >>>
   >>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
   >>    it
   >>        in
   >>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
   >>        recently
   >>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
   >>    with
   >>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
   >>>
   >>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
   >>>
   >>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
   >>    snout
   >>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
   >>    still
   >>        had
   >>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG
   >>        fitting
   >>> where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself,
   >>    unseen of
   >>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
   >>    line
   >>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
   >>    hold
   >>        up
   >>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
   >>>
   >>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
   >>    sticking
   >>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
   >>>
   >>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
   >>    rebuild
   >>        kit
   >>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
   >>        invoice.
   >>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
   >>    unit
   >>        which
   >>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
   >>    determined
   >>        that
   >>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
   >>    used
   >>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
   >>    such as
   >>        a
   >>> A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
   >>        company.
   >>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
   >>        generations.
   >>>
   >>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
   >>    the
   >>        task
   >>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
   >>    and
   >>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
   >>    pull
   >>        the
   >>> transaxle and start all over again.
   >>>
   >>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
   >>    as
   >>        has
   >>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
   >>    fine.
   >>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
   >>    on my
   >>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
   >>    that
   >>> road for themselves.
   >>>
   >>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
   >>    gory
   >>> details.
   >>>
   >>> Larry
   >>>
   >>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
   >>> _______________________________________________
   >>>
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   >>    t.com<[665]http://t.com/>>
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   >>    .com>
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   >>        3. [89]mailto:[673]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>        4.
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   >>    Message: 15
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:53:15 -0700
   >>    From: Larry Stock
   >>
   <[677]larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:[678]larrys at panteraparts.com><mail
   to:[679]larrys at pante
   raparts.com>>
   >>    To: Will Kooiman
   >>
   <[680]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:[681]will.kooiman at gmail.com><mailto
   :[682]will.kooiman at g
   mail.com>>, Larry Finch
   >>
   <[683]fresnofinches at aol.com<mailto:[684]fresnofinches at aol.com><mailto:[
   685]fresnofinches at ao
   l.com>>, Email
   >>    List Address For Posting
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   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[688]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   <D401A883.17A144%[689]larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:[690]larrys at panter
   aparts.com><mai
   lto:D401A883.17A144%larrys@
   >>    panteraparts.com<[691]http://panteraparts.com/>>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="EUC-KR"
   >>    The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and
   not
   >>    ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance
   is
   >>    using a
   >>    Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
   >>    DeTomaso
   >>    Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that
   some
   >>    vendors
   >>    offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of
   the
   >>    bell
   >>    housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
   >>    Larry
   >>    On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
   >>
   <[692]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[693]detomaso-bou
   nces at server.det
   omasolist.com><mailto:[694]detomaso-bounces at serve
   >>    r.detomasolist.com<[695]http://r.detomasolist.com/>> on behalf of
   >>
   [696]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:[697]will.kooiman at gmail.com><mailto:
   [698]will.kooiman at gm
   ail.com>> wrote:
   >>    Wow.
   >>    I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
   >>    My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was
   readily
   >>    available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than
   building a
   >>    new
   >>    bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
   >>    At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
   >>    --
   >>    Will
   >>    On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
   >>
   <[699]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[700]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[701]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>> wrote:
   >>    Cullen,
   >>    2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
   it
   in
   >>    2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
   >>    recently
   >>    did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
   with
   >>    and ordered directly from McLeod.
   >>    My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
   >>    The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
   snout
   >>    spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
   still
   had
   >>    on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
   fitting
   >>    where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen
   of
   >>    course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
   line
   >>    attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
   hold
   up
   >>    very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
   >>    The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
   sticking
   >>    outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
   >>    Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
   rebuild
   >>    kit
   >>    I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
   >>    invoice.
   >>    What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
   unit
   >>    which
   >>    uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
   determined
   >>    that
   >>    for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
   used
   >>    exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
   such as
   >>    a
   >>    ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
   >>    company.
   >>    No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
   generations.
   >>    While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
   the
   >>    task
   >>    of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
   and
   >>    unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
   pull
   >>    the
   >>    transaxle and start all over again.
   >>    The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
   as
   has
   >>    been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
   fine.
   >>    Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
   on my
   >>    experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
   that
   >>    road for themselves.
   >>    Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
   gory
   >>    details.
   >>    Larry
   >>    Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
   >>    _______________________________________________
   >>    Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
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   >>    m>
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   >>    Message: 16
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:11:22 -0700
   >>    From: Mike Drew
   <[710]MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:[711]MikeLDrew at aol.com><mailto:[712]Mike
   LDrew at aol.com>>
   >>    To: David Nunn
   <[713]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[714]dnunn at telus.net><mailto:[715]dnunn at te
   lus.net>>
   >>    Cc:
   >>
   "<[716]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[717]detomaso at server.det
   omasolist.com><
   mailto:[718]detomaso at server.detomasolist.
   >>    com>>"
   >>
   >>
   <[719]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[720]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[721]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   <[722]C4C5C3CB-D201-4825-A845-85208C7B8B62 at aol.com<mailto:C4C5C3CB-D201
   -4825-A845
   [723]-85208C7B8B62 at aol.com><mailto:C4C5C3CB-D201-4825
   >>
   [724]-A845-85208C7B8B62 at aol.com<mailto:[725]A845-85208C7B8B62 at aol.com>>
   >
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   >>    All,
   >>    Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
   there
   >>    is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
   firewall
   >>    kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
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   >>    Mike
   >>    Sent from my iPhone
   >>    On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn"
   >>
   <[727]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[728]dnunn at telus.net><mailto:[729]dnunn at te
   lus.net>>
   wrote:
   >>        Rob,
   >>        If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's
   kit.
   It
   >>        eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
   >>    adjustable.
   >>        It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
   IPSCO's
   >>    web
   >>        site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
   >>        Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation
   and
   >>    belt
   >>        tensioning a breeze.
   >>
   [1][730]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>    References
   >>        1.
   [96][731]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>    _______________________________________________
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   >>    Message: 17
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:16:34 +0000
   >>    From: Julian Kift
   >>
   <[736]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:[737]julian_kift at hotmail.com><mail
   to:julian_kift@
   hotmail.com>>
   >>    To: David Nunn
   <[738]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[739]dnunn at telus.net><mailto:[740]dnunn at te
   lus.net>>, Mike Drew
   >>
   <[741]MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:[742]MikeLDrew at aol.com><mailto:[743]Mike
   LDrew at aol.com>>,
   >>
   >>
   "[744]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[745]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[746]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   <[747]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[748]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[749]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   >>
   <[750]CY4PR18MB12865ADBFE3EEDECFFB644A895F30 at CY4PR18MB1286.namprd18.pro
   d.out<mail
   to:[751]CY4PR18MB12865ADBFE3EEDECFFB644A895F30 at cy4pr18mb1286.namprd18.p
   rod.out>
   >>
   look.com<[752]http://look.com/><mailto:[753]CY4PR18MB12865ADBFE3EEDECFF
   B644A895F30 at CY4P
   R18MB1286.na
   >>    mprd18.prod.outlook.com<[754]http://mprd18.prod.outlook.com/>>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
   >>    Mike,
   >>    It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
   the one
   >>    that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location,
   but
   was
   >>    adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
   on
   >>    the rear.
   >>    Julian
   >>    ________________________________
   >>    From: DeTomaso
   >>
   <[755]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[756]detomaso-bou
   nces at server.det
   omasolist.com><mailto:[757]detomaso-bounces at serve
   >>    r.detomasolist.com<[758]http://r.detomasolist.com/>>> on behalf
   of Mike Drew
   via DeTomaso
   >>
   <[759]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[760]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[761]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
   >>    To: David Nunn
   >>    Cc:
   >>
   <[762]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[763]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[764]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>    All,
   >>    Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
   there
   >>    is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
   firewall
   >>    kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
   >>
   [cid:[765]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.co
   m<mailto:8
   [766]741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com><mai
   >>
   lto:[767]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com
   <mailto:87
   [768]41-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com>>]
   >>    Mike
   >>    Sent from my iPhone
   >>    On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn"
   >>
   <[769]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[770]dnunn at telus.net><mailto:[771]dnunn at te
   lus.net>>
   wrote:
   >>        Rob,
   >>        If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's
   kit.
   It
   >>        eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
   >>    adjustable.
   >>        It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
   IPSCO's
   >>    web
   >>        site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
   >>        Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation
   and
   >>    belt
   >>        tensioning a breeze.
   >>
   [1][772]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>    References
   >>        1.
   [98][773]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>
   [[99][774]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.jpg]<[775
   ]http://ww/
   >>
   w.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm<[776]http://w.ipsco.org/
   Pantera%20
   Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>>
   >>    Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking
   >>
   ...<[100][777]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>
   >>
   www.ipsco.org<[778]http://www.ipsco.org/><[101][779]http://www.ipsco.or
   g/>
   >>    Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
   Pulley,
   >>    this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
   behind
   >>    the bracket to tighten in ...
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   >>    m>
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   >>    -------------- next part --------------
   >>        Mike,
   >>        It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler
   again,
   the
   >>    one
   >>        that was previously linked appears to go in the stock
   location,
   >>    but was
   >>        adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a
   wrench
   >>    on
   >>        the rear.
   >>        Julian
   >>
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>        From: DeTomaso
   >>
   <[788]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[789]detomaso-bou
   nces at server.det
   omasolist.com><mailto:[790]detomaso-bounces at serve
   >>    r.detomasolist.com<[791]http://r.detomasolist.com/>>> on behalf
   of
   >>        Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   >>
   <[792]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[793]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[794]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>        Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
   >>        To: David Nunn
   >>        Cc:
   >>
   <[795]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[796]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[797]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>        Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>        All,
   >>        Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup.
   Note
   >>    there
   >>        is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
   >>    firewall
   >>        kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
   >>
   >>
   [cid:[798]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.co
   m<mailto:8
   [799]741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com><mai
   >>
   lto:[800]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com
   <mailto:87
   [801]41-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com>>]
   >>        Mike
   >>        Sent from my iPhone
   >>        On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn"
   >>
   <[802]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[803]dnunn at telus.net><mailto:[804]dnunn at te
   lus.net>>
   wrote:
   >>>  Rob,
   >>>
   >>>  If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's
   >>    kit. It
   >>>  eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
   >>        adjustable.
   >>>  It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
   >>    IPSCO's
   >>        web
   >>>  site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
   >>>
   >>>  Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation
   >>    and
   >>        belt
   >>>  tensioning a breeze.
   >>>
   >>>  [1][805]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>>
   >>> References
   >>>
   >>>  1. [1][806]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>        [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
   >>        [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking
   ...
   >>
   www.ipsco.org<[807]http://www.ipsco.org/><[104][808]http://www.ipsco.or
   g/>
   >>        Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
   >>    Pulley,
   >>        this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a
   wrench
   >>    behind
   >>        the bracket to tighten in ...
   >>> _______________________________________________
   >>>
   >>>
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   asolist.com><ma
   ilto:[811]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
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   >>    m>
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   >>    References
   >>        1.
   [105][817]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>        2.
   [106][818]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>        3.
   [107][819]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>        4.
   [108][820]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >>        5.
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   >>    Message: 18
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:18:39 -0700
   >>    From: Mike Drew
   <[823]MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:[824]MikeLDrew at aol.com><mailto:[825]Mike
   LDrew at aol.com>>
   >>    To: Julian Kift
   >>
   <[826]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:[827]julian_kift at hotmail.com><mail
   to:julian_kift@
   hotmail.com>>
   >>    Cc: David Nunn
   <[828]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[829]dnunn at telus.net><mailto:[830]dnunn at te
   lus.net>>,
   >>
   "[831]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[832]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[833]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   >>
   <[834]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[835]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[836]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   <[837]7B7EDC5D-6016-45F7-B580-31A839921366 at aol.com<mailto:7B7EDC5D-6016
   -45F7-B580
   [838]-31A839921366 at aol.com><mailto:7B7EDC5D-6016-45F7
   >>
   [839]-B580-31A839921366 at aol.com<mailto:[840]B580-31A839921366 at aol.com>>
   >
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
   >>    Julian,
   >>    Yes, he mentioned two different products for different
   applications
   but
   >>    only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows
   the
   >>    idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump
   belt.
   >>    Mike
   >>    Sent from my iPhone
   >>    On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift
   >>
   <[841]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:[842]julian_kift at hotmail.com><mail
   to:julian_kift@
   hotmail.com>> wrote:
   >>        Mike,
   >>        It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler
   again, the
   >>    one
   >>        that was previously linked appears to go in the stock
   location,
   but
   >>    was
   >>        adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a
   wrench
   >>    on
   >>        the rear.
   >>        Julian
   >>
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>        From: DeTomaso
   >>
   <[843]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[844]detomaso-bou
   nces at server.det
   omasolist.com><mailto:[845]detomaso-bounces at serve
   >>    r.detomasolist.com<[846]http://r.detomasolist.com/>>> on behalf
   of
   >>        Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   >>
   <[847]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[848]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[849]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>        Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
   >>        To: David Nunn
   >>        Cc:
   >>
   <[850]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[851]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[852]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>        Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>        All,
   >>        Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup.
   Note
   >>    there
   >>        is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
   >>    firewall
   >>        kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
   >>
   >>
   [cid:[853]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.co
   m<mailto:8
   [854]741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com><mai
   >>
   lto:[855]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com
   <mailto:87
   [856]41-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com>>]
   >>        Mike
   >>        Sent from my iPhone
   >>        On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn"
   >>
   <[857]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[858]dnunn at telus.net><mailto:[859]dnunn at te
   lus.net>>
   wrote:
   >>      Rob,
   >>      If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's
   kit. It
   >>      eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
   >>        adjustable.
   >>      It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
   IPSCO's
   >>        web
   >>      site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
   >>      Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
   >>        belt
   >>      tensioning a breeze.
   >>      [1][860]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>    References
   >>      1.
   [1][861]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>        [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
   >>        [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking
   ...
   >>
   www.ipsco.org<[862]http://www.ipsco.org/><[111][863]http://www.ipsco.or
   g/>
   >>        Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
   >>    Pulley,
   >>        this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a
   wrench
   >>    behind
   >>        the bracket to tighten in ...
   >>    _______________________________________________
   >>    Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
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   asolist.com><ma
   ilto:[866]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
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   >>    Message: 19
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:19:14 -0700
   >>    From: Larry Finch
   <[881]fresnofinches at aol.com<mailto:[882]fresnofinches at aol.com><mailto:[
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   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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   >>    Heat?
   >>    As I previously wrote, I have over 50,000 miles using one of the
   McLeod
   >>    systems.
   >>    Those 50,000 miles have all been WITH a black plastic plug in the
   hole
   >>    that some wish to call a ventilation hole rather than an
   inspection
   >>    hole. Your choice, I don't really care.
   >>    Whatever heat issues may or may not be present, with or without a
   plug,
   >>    have never appeared to be an issue in any way, shape or form in
   my
   many
   >>    years of experience.
   >>    I am all ears if Larry or anyone else has history that supports a
   >>    failure of the McLeod unit from excessive heat.
   >>    Larry
   >>    Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
   >>    On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Larry Stock
   >>
   <[891]larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:[892]larrys at panteraparts.com><mail
   to:[893]larrys at pante
   raparts.com>> wrote:

   >>    The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and
   not
   >>    ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance
   is
   >>    using a
   >>    Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
   >>    DeTomaso
   >>    Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that
   some
   >>    vendors
   >>    offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of
   the
   >>    bell
   >>    housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
   >>    Larry
   >>    On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
   >>
   <[894]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[895]detomaso-bou
   nces at server.det
   omasolist.com><mailto:[896]detomaso-bounces at serve
   >>    r.detomasolist.com<[897]http://r.detomasolist.com/>> on behalf of
   >>
   [898]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:[899]will.kooiman at gmail.com><mailto:
   [900]will.kooiman at gm
   ail.com>> wrote:
   >>    Wow.
   >>    I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
   >>    My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was
   readily
   >>    available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than
   building a
   >>    new
   >>    bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
   >>    At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
   >>    --
   >>    Will
   >>    On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
   >>
   <[901]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[902]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[903]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>> wrote:
   >>    Cullen,
   >>    2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
   it
   in
   >>    2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
   >>    recently
   >>    did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
   with
   >>    and ordered directly from McLeod.
   >>    My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
   >>    The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
   snout
   >>    spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
   still
   had
   >>    on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
   fitting
   >>    where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen
   of
   >>    course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
   line
   >>    attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
   hold
   up
   >>    very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
   >>    The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
   sticking
   >>    outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
   >>    Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
   rebuild
   >>    kit
   >>    I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
   >>    invoice.
   >>    What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
   unit
   >>    which
   >>    uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
   determined
   >>    that
   >>    for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
   used
   >>    exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
   such as
   >>    a
   >>    A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
   company.
   >>    No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
   generations.
   >>    While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
   the
   >>    task
   >>    of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
   and
   >>    unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
   pull
   >>    the
   >>    transaxle and start all over again.
   >>    The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
   as
   has
   >>    been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
   fine.
   >>    Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
   on my
   >>    experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
   that
   >>    road for themselves.
   >>    Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
   gory
   >>    details.
   >>    Larry
   >>    Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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   >>    Message: 20
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:38:06 -0500
   >>    From: Cullen McCann
   >>
   <[912]cmccann1972 at gmail.com<mailto:[913]cmccann1972 at gmail.com><mailto:[
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   l.com>>
   >>    To: Larry Stock
   >>
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   >>    om>>,
   >>            Larry Finch
   >>
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   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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   >>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >>    well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I
   forgot to
   >>    mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm.
   >>    On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock
   >>
   <[928]larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:[929]larrys at panteraparts.com><mail
   to:[930]larrys at pante
   raparts.com>>
   >>    wrote:
   >>    The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and
   not
   >>    ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance
   is
   >>    using a
   >>    Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
   >>    DeTomaso
   >>    Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that
   some
   >>    vendors
   >>    offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of
   the
   >>    bell
   >>    housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
   >>    Larry
   >>    On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
   >>
   <[931]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[932]detomaso-bou
   nces at server.det
   omasolist.com><mailto:[933]detomaso-bounces at serve
   >>    r.detomasolist.com<[934]http://r.detomasolist.com/>> on behalf of
   >>
   [935]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:[936]will.kooiman at gmail.com><mailto:
   [937]will.kooiman at gm
   ail.com>> wrote:
   >>    Wow.
   >>    I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
   >>    My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was
   readily
   >>    available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than
   building a
   >>    new
   >>    bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
   >>    At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
   >>    --
   >>    Will
   >>    On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
   >>
   <[938]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[939]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[940]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>> wrote:
   >>    Cullen,
   >>    2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
   it
   in
   >>    2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
   >>    recently
   >>    did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
   with
   >>    and ordered directly from McLeod.
   >>    My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
   >>    The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
   snout
   >>    spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
   still
   had
   >>    on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
   fitting
   >>    where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen
   of
   >>    course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
   line
   >>    attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
   hold
   up
   >>    very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
   >>    The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
   sticking
   >>    outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
   >>    Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
   rebuild
   >>    kit
   >>    I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
   >>    invoice.
   >>    What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
   unit
   >>    which
   >>    uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
   determined
   >>    that
   >>    for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
   used
   >>    exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
   such as
   >>    a
   >>    ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
   >>    company.
   >>    No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
   generations.
   >>    While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
   the
   >>    task
   >>    of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
   and
   >>    unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
   pull
   >>    the
   >>    transaxle and start all over again.
   >>    The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
   as
   has
   >>    been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
   fine.
   >>    Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
   on my
   >>    experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
   that
   >>    road for themselves.
   >>    Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
   gory
   >>    details.
   >>    Larry
   >>    Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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   >>        well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I
   >>    forgot to
   >>        mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant.
   hmmmm.
   >>        On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock
   >>
   <[1][953]larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:[954]larrys at panteraparts.com><m
   ailto:[955]larrys at pa
   nteraparts.com>>
   >>    wrote:
   >>          The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined
   and
   >>    not
   >>          ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The
   Superformance
   >>    is
   >>          using a
   >>          Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than
   the
   >>          DeTomaso
   >>          Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs
   that
   >>    some
   >>          vendors
   >>          offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand
   top
   >>    of
   >>          the bell
   >>          housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
   >>          Larry
   >>          On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
   >>
   >>
   <[2][956]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[957]detomaso-
   bounces at server.
   detomasolist.com><mailto:[958]detomaso-bounces at se
   >>    rver.detomasolist.com<[959]http://rver.detomasolist.com/>> on
   behalf of
   >>
   [3][960]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:[961]will.kooiman at gmail.com><mail
   to:will.kooiman
   @gmail.com>> wrote:
   >>> Wow.
   >>>
   >>> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
   >>>
   >>> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was
   >>    readily
   >>> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A  Rather than
   >>          building a new
   >>> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
   >>>
   >>> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
   >>>
   >>> --
   >>> Will
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
   >>
   >>>
   <[4][962]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[963]detomaso at server.d
   etomasolist.com
   ><mailto:[964]detomaso at server.detomasoli
   >>    st.com<[965]http://st.com/>>> wrote:
   >>>
   >>>> Cullen,
   >>>>
   >>>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I
   >>    purchased
   >>          it in
   >>>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and
   >>    most
   >>          recently
   >>>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I
   >>    spoke
   >>          with
   >>>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
   >>>>
   >>>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
   >>>>
   >>>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
   >>          snout
   >>>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
   >>          still had
   >>>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its
   >>    90ADEG
   >>          fitting
   >>>> where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself,
   >>          unseen of
   >>>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the
   >>    hard
   >>          line
   >>>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines
   >>    don't
   >>          hold up
   >>>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
   >>>>
   >>>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
   >>          sticking
   >>>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
   >>>>
   >>>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
   >>          rebuild kit
   >>>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the
   >>    previous
   >>          invoice.
   >>>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
   >>    unit
   >>          which
   >>>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
   >>          determined that
   >>>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod
   >>    has
   >>          used
   >>>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
   >>          such as a
   >>>> A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within
   >>    the
   >>          company.
   >>>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
   >>          generations.
   >>>>
   >>>> While you have some experience in using one of these
   >>    previously,
   >>          the task
   >>>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite
   >>    exacting
   >>          and
   >>>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do
   >>    but
   >>          pull the
   >>>> transaxle and start all over again.
   >>>>
   >>>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings
   >>    and
   >>          as has
   >>>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works
   >>    just
   >>          fine.
   >>>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and
   >>    based
   >>          on my
   >>>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture
   >>    down
   >>          that
   >>>> road for themselves.
   >>>>
   >>>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of
   >>    the
   >>          gory
   >>>> details.
   >>>>
   >>>> Larry
   >>>>
   >>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
   >>>> _______________________________________________
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   >>        5. [127]mailto:[984]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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   >>        9. [131]mailto:[988]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>        10.
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   >>    ------------------------------
   >>    Message: 21
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:46:51 +0000
   >>    From: michael frazier
   <[990]red3644 at hotmail.com<mailto:[991]red3644 at hotmail.com><mailto:[992]
   red3644 at hotmail.com>
   >
   >>    To:
   >>
   "[993]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[994]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[995]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   >>
   <[996]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[997]detomaso at server.deto
   masolist.com><m
   ailto:[998]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   >>
   <[999]SN1PR07MB2254F82A006D414EA80223FCB9F30 at SN1PR07MB2254.namprd07.pro
   d.out<mail
   to:[1000]SN1PR07MB2254F82A006D414EA80223FCB9F30 at sn1pr07mb2254.namprd07.
   prod.out>
   >>
   look.com<[1001]http://look.com/><mailto:[1002]SN1PR07MB2254F82A006D414E
   A80223FCB9F30 at SN1P
   R07MB2254.na
   >>    mprd07.prod.outlook.com<[1003]http://mprd07.prod.outlook.com/>>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >>    Hi All,
   >>    I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a barn
   since
   >>    1961 and only has 25k miles,
   >>    but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
   >>    Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
   >>    remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
   complete
   >>    Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
   >>    I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
   want an
   >>    overdrive transmission.  Manual or
   >>    automatic, either one.  It won?t be drag raced but will be used
   >>    regularly and would likely be run in an
   >>    open road race some time.  That?s the reason for the overdrive.
   >>    I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was
   wondering
   >>    what would work well.
   >>    What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
   >>    Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
   >>    Michael
   >>    Sent from
   Mail<[133][1004]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
   for
   >>    Windows 10
   >>    -------------- next part --------------
   >>        Hi All,
   >>        I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a
   barn
   >>    since
   >>        1961 and only has 25k miles,
   >>        but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted
   out.
   >>        Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
   >>        remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
   complete
   >>        Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
   >>        I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351,
   and
   >>    want an
   >>        overdrive transmission.  Manual or
   >>        automatic, either one.  It won't be drag raced but will be
   used
   >>        regularly and would likely be run in an
   >>        open road race some time.  That's the reason for the
   overdrive.
   >>        I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
   >>    wondering
   >>        what would work well.
   >>        What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
   >>        Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
   >>        Michael
   >>        Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
   >>    References
   >>        1. [134][1005]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
   >>    ------------------------------
   >>    Message: 22
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:04:46 -0700
   >>    From: "David Nunn"
   <[1006]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[1007]dnunn at telus.net><mailto:[1008]dnunn
   @telus.net>>
   >>    To: "'Mike Drew'"
   <[1009]MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:[1010]MikeLDrew at aol.com><mailto:[1011]M
   ikeLDrew at aol.com>>,
   >>    "'Julian Kift'"
   >>
   <[1012]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:[1013]julian_kift at hotmail.com><ma
   ilto:julian_kift@
   hotmail.com>>
   >>    Cc:
   >>
   [1014]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1015]detomaso at server.det
   omasolist.com><ma
   ilto:[1016]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   <003301d21066$5739cc80$05ad6580$@telus.net<mailto:003301d21066$5739cc80
   $05ad
   6580$@telus.net><mailto:003301d21066$5739cc80
   >>    $05ad6580$@telus.net<mailto:05ad6580$@telus.net>>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   >>    Julian,
   >>    Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my
   engine,
   >>    with
   >>    both IPSCO items installed.
   >>    David
   >>    -----Original Message-----
   >>    From: Mike Drew [[135]mailto:[1017]MikeLDrew at aol.com]
   >>    Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
   >>    To: Julian Kift
   >>
   <[1018]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:[1019]julian_kift at hotmail.com><ma
   ilto:julian_kift@
   hotmail.com>>
   >>    Cc: David Nunn
   <[1020]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[1021]dnunn at telus.net><mailto:[1022]dnunn
   @telus.net>>;
   >>
   [1023]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1024]detomaso at server.det
   omasolist.com><ma
   ilto:[1025]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>    Julian,
   >>    Yes, he mentioned two different products for different
   applications
   but
   >>    only
   >>    had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the
   idler
   >>    that
   >>    replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
   >>    Mike
   >>    Sent from my iPhone
   >>    On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift
   >>
   <[1026]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:[1027]julian_kift at hotmail.com><ma
   ilto:julian_kift@
   hotmail.com>> wrote:
   >>        Mike,
   >>        It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler
   again, the
   >>    one
   >>        that was previously linked appears to go in the stock
   location,
   but
   >>    was
   >>        adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a
   wrench
   >>    on
   >>        the rear.
   >>        Julian
   >>
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>        From: DeTomaso
   >>
   <[1028]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1029]detomaso-b
   ounces at server.det
   omasolist.com><mailto:[1030]detomaso-bounces at serve
   >>    r.detomasolist.com<[1031]http://r.detomasolist.com/>>> on behalf
   of
   >>        Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   >>
   <[1032]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1033]detomaso at server.de
   tomasolist.com><m
   ailto:[1034]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>        Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
   >>        To: David Nunn
   >>        Cc:
   >>
   <[1035]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1036]detomaso at server.de
   tomasolist.com><m
   ailto:[1037]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>        Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>        All,
   >>        Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup.
   Note
   >>    there
   >>        is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
   >>    firewall
   >>        kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
   >>
   >>
   [cid:[1038]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.c
   om<mailto:8
   [1039]741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com><mai
   >>
   lto:[1040]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.co
   m<mailto:87
   [1041]41-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com>>]
   >>        Mike
   >>        Sent from my iPhone
   >>        On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn"
   >>
   <[1042]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[1043]dnunn at telus.net><mailto:[1044]dnunn
   @telus.net>>
   wrote:
   >>      Rob,
   >>      If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's
   kit. It
   >>    eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
   >>        adjustable.
   >>      It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
   IPSCO's
   >>        web
   >>      site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
   >>      Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
   >>        belt
   >>      tensioning a breeze.
   >>
   [1][1045]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>    References
   >>      1.
   [1][1046]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>        [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
   >>        [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking
   ...
   >>
   www.ipsco.org<[1047]http://www.ipsco.org/><[136][1048]http://www.ipsco.
   org/>
   >>        Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
   >>    Pulley,
   >>        this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a
   wrench
   >>    behind
   >>        the bracket to tighten in ...
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   [137][1057]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>        2.
   [138][1058]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>        3.
   [139][1059]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>        4.
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   >>    Message: 23
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:53 -0600
   >>    From: bill
   <[1067]bill at incendium.com<mailto:[1068]bill at incendium.com><mailto:[1069
   ]bill at incendium.com>>
   >>    To: michael frazier
   <[1070]red3644 at hotmail.com<mailto:[1071]red3644 at hotmail.com><mailto:[10
   72]red3644 at hotmail.com>
   >,
   >>
   >>
   "[1073]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1074]detomaso at server.de
   tomasolist.com><m
   ailto:[1075]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>"
   >>
   <[1076]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1077]detomaso at server.de
   tomasolist.com><m
   ailto:[1078]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   <[1079]asutxkibtwmp20w9x9fxrayp.1474064813467 at email.android.com<mailto:
   asutxkibtwm
   [1080]p20w9x9fxrayp.1474064813467 at email.android.com><mailto:asutxk
   >>
   [1081]ibtwmp20w9x9fxrayp.1474064813467 at email.android.com<mailto:ibtwmp2
   0w9x9fxrayp
   [1082].1474064813467 at email.android.com>>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >>    Michael:Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.?
   >>    CheersBill MooreCalgary
   >>    -------- Original message --------From: michael frazier
   >>
   <[1083]red3644 at hotmail.com<mailto:[1084]red3644 at hotmail.com><mailto:[10
   85]red3644 at hotmail.com>
   > Date: 2016-09-16
   >>    3:46 PM  (GMT-07:00) To:
   >>
   [1086]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1087]detomaso at server.det
   omasolist.com><ma
   ilto:[1088]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
   >>    Hi All,
   >>    I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn
   since
   >>    1961 and only has 25k miles,
   >>    but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.?
   >>    Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
   >>    remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
   complete
   >>    Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
   >>    I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
   want an
   >>    overdrive transmission.? Manual or
   >>    automatic, either one.? It won?t be drag raced but will be used
   >>    regularly and would likely be run in an
   >>    open road race some time.? That?s the reason for the overdrive.
   >>    I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was
   wondering
   >>    what would work well.
   >>    What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?
   >>    Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
   >>    Michael
   >>    Sent from
   Mail<[144][1089]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
   for
   >>    Windows 10
   >>    ?? Hi All,
   >>    ?? I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a
   barn
   >>    since
   >>    ?? 1961 and only has 25k miles,
   >>    ?? but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted
   out.
   >>    ?? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
   >>    ?? remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
   complete
   >>    ?? Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
   >>    ?? I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
   want
   >>    an
   >>    ?? overdrive transmission.? Manual or
   >>    ?? automatic, either one.? It won't be drag raced but will be
   used
   >>    ?? regularly and would likely be run in an
   >>    ?? open road race some time.? That's the reason for the
   overdrive.
   >>    ?? I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
   wondering
   >>    ?? what would work well.
   >>    ?? What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?
   >>    ?? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
   >>    ?? Michael
   >>    ?? Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
   >>    References
   >>    ?? 1. [145][1090]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
   >>    _______________________________________________
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   >>    m>
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   >>        Michael:
   >>        Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.
   >>        Cheers
   >>        Bill Moore
   >>        Calgary
   >>        -------- Original message --------
   >>        From: michael frazier
   >>
   <[1095]red3644 at hotmail.com<mailto:[1096]red3644 at hotmail.com><mailto:[10
   97]red3644 at hotmail.com>
   >
   >>        Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00)
   >>        To:
   >>
   [1098]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1099]detomaso at server.det
   omasolist.com><ma
   ilto:[1100]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>        Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
   >>        Hi All,
   >>        I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a
   barn
   >>    since
   >>        1961 and only has 25k miles,
   >>        but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted
   out.
   >>        Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
   >>        remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
   complete
   >>        Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
   >>        I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351,
   and
   >>    want an
   >>        overdrive transmission.  Manual or
   >>        automatic, either one.  It won't be drag raced but will be
   used
   >>        regularly and would likely be run in an
   >>        open road race some time.  That's the reason for the
   overdrive.
   >>        I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
   >>    wondering
   >>        what would work well.
   >>        What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
   >>        Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
   >>        Michael
   >>        Sent from
   >>    Mail<[147][1101]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
   for
   >>        Windows 10
   >>            Hi All,
   >>            I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat
   in a
   >>    barn
   >>        since
   >>            1961 and only has 25k miles,
   >>            but those were farm miles and it is beat though not
   rusted
   out.
   >>            Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
   >>            remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
   >>    complete
   >>            Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
   >>            I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss
   351, and
   >>    want
   >>        an
   >>            overdrive transmission.  Manual or
   >>            automatic, either one.  It won't be drag raced but will
   be
   used
   >>            regularly and would likely be run in an
   >>            open road race some time.  That's the reason for the
   overdrive.
   >>            I've been out of this part of the game for a while and
   was
   >>    wondering
   >>            what would work well.
   >>            What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
   >>            Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
   >>            Michael
   >>            Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
   >>        References
   >>            1.
   [148][1102]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
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   >>    Message: 24
   >>    Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:31:46 -0600
   >>    From: bill
   <[1107]bill at incendium.com<mailto:[1108]bill at incendium.com><mailto:[1109
   ]bill at incendium.com>>
   >>    To: David Nunn
   <[1110]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[1111]dnunn at telus.net><mailto:[1112]dnunn
   @telus.net>>, 'Mike
   Drew'
   >>
   <[1113]MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:[1114]MikeLDrew at aol.com><mailto:[1115]M
   ikeLDrew at aol.com>>,
   >>            'Julian Kift'
   >>
   <[1116]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:[1117]julian_kift at hotmail.com><ma
   ilto:julian_kift@
   hotmail.com>>
   >>    Cc:
   >>
   [1118]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1119]detomaso at server.det
   omasolist.com><ma
   ilto:[1120]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>    Message-ID:
   >>
   <[1121]twbfe1jjjap5dl76l23cu2gv.1474065106843 at email.android.com<mailto:
   twbfe1jjjap

   [1122]5dl76l23cu2gv.1474065106843 at email.android.com><mailto:twbfe1
   >>
   [1123]jjjap5dl76l23cu2gv.1474065106843 at email.android.com<mailto:jjjap5d
   l76l23cu2gv
   [1124].1474065106843 at email.android.com>>>
   >>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >>    Wow !,,,,
   >>    That looks to nice to cover up.....
   >>    CheersBill MooreCalgary
   >>    -------- Original message --------From: David Nunn
   >>
   <[1125]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[1126]dnunn at telus.net><mailto:[1127]dnunn
   @telus.net>>
   Date: 2016-09-16  4:04 PM
   >>    (GMT-07:00) To: 'Mike Drew'
   >>
   <[1128]MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:[1129]MikeLDrew at aol.com><mailto:[1130]M
   ikeLDrew at aol.com>>,
   'Julian Kift'
   >>
   <[1131]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:[1132]julian_kift at hotmail.com><ma
   ilto:julian_kift@
   hotmail.com>> Cc:
   >>
   [1133]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1134]detomaso at server.det
   omasolist.com><ma
   ilto:[1135]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>    Julian,
   >>    Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my
   engine,
   >>    with
   >>    both IPSCO items installed.
   >>    David
   >>    -----Original Message-----
   >>    From: Mike Drew [[150]mailto:[1136]MikeLDrew at aol.com]
   >>    Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
   >>    To: Julian Kift
   >>
   <[1137]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:[1138]julian_kift at hotmail.com><ma
   ilto:julian_kift@
   hotmail.com>>
   >>    Cc: David Nunn
   <[1139]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[1140]dnunn at telus.net><mailto:[1141]dnunn
   @telus.net>>;
   >>
   [1142]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1143]detomaso at server.det
   omasolist.com><ma
   ilto:[1144]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>    Julian,
   >>    Yes, he mentioned two different products for different
   applications
   but
   >>    only
   >>    had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the
   idler
   >>    that
   >>    replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
   >>    Mike
   >>    Sent from my iPhone
   >>    On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift
   >>
   <[1145]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:[1146]julian_kift at hotmail.com><ma
   ilto:julian_kift@
   hotmail.com>> wrote:
   >>    ?? Mike,
   >>    ?? It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
   the
   >>    one
   >>    ?? that was previously linked appears to go in the stock
   location, but
   >>    was
   >>    ?? adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a
   wrench
   on
   >>    ?? the rear.
   >>    ?? Julian
   >>    ????
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>    ?? From: DeTomaso
   >>
   <[1147]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1148]detomaso-b
   ounces at server.det
   omasolist.com><mailto:[1149]detomaso-bounces at serve
   >>    r.detomasolist.com<[1150]http://r.detomasolist.com/>>> on behalf
   of
   >>    ?? Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   >>
   <[1151]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1152]detomaso at server.de
   tomasolist.com><m
   ailto:[1153]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    ?? Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
   >>    ?? To: David Nunn
   >>    ?? Cc:
   >>
   <[1154]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1155]detomaso at server.de
   tomasolist.com><m
   ailto:[1156]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>    ?? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>    ?? All,
   >>    ?? Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup.
   Note
   >>    there
   >>    ?? is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
   firewall
   >>    ?? kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
   >>    ??
   >>
   [cid:[1157]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.c
   om<mailto:8
   [1158]741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com><mai
   >>
   lto:[1159]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.co
   m<mailto:87
   [1160]41-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com>>]
   >>    ?? Mike
   >>    ?? Sent from my iPhone
   >>    ?? On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn"
   >>
   <[1161]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[1162]dnunn at telus.net><mailto:[1163]dnunn
   @telus.net>>
   wrote:
   >>    ? Rob,
   >>    ? If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's
   kit. It?
   >>    eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
   >>    ?? adjustable.
   >>    ? It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
   IPSCO's
   >>    ?? web
   >>    ? site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
   >>    ? Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
   >>    ?? belt
   >>    ? tensioning a breeze.
   >>    ?
   [1][1164]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>    References
   >>    ? 1.
   [1][1165]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>    ?? [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
   >>    ?? [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking
   ...
   >>    ??
   www.ipsco.org<[1166]http://www.ipsco.org/><[151][1167]http://www.ipsco.
   org/>
   >>    ?? Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
   >>    Pulley,
   >>    ?? this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
   >>    behind
   >>    ?? the bracket to tighten in ...
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   >>    References
   >>    ?? 1.
   [152][1176]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>    ?? 2.
   [153][1177]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>    ?? 3.
   [154][1178]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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   >>        Wow !,,,,
   >>        That looks to nice to cover up.....
   >>        Cheers
   >>        Bill Moore
   >>        Calgary
   >>        -------- Original message --------
   >>        From: David Nunn
   <[1189]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[1190]dnunn at telus.net><mailto:[1191]dnunn
   @telus.net>>
   >>        Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00)
   >>        To: 'Mike Drew'
   <[1192]MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:[1193]MikeLDrew at aol.com><mailto:[1194]M
   ikeLDrew at aol.com>>,
   >>    'Julian Kift'
   >>
   <[1195]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:[1196]julian_kift at hotmail.com><ma
   ilto:julian_kift@
   hotmail.com>>
   >>        Cc:
   >>
   [1197]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1198]detomaso at server.det
   omasolist.com><ma
   ilto:[1199]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>        Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>        Julian,
   >>        Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my
   >>    engine,
   >>        with
   >>        both IPSCO items installed.
   >>        David
   >>        -----Original Message-----
   >>        From: Mike Drew [[159]mailto:[1200]MikeLDrew at aol.com]
   >>        Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
   >>        To: Julian Kift
   >>
   <[1201]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:[1202]julian_kift at hotmail.com><ma
   ilto:julian_kift@
   hotmail.com>>
   >>        Cc: David Nunn
   <[1203]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[1204]dnunn at telus.net><mailto:[1205]dnunn
   @telus.net>>;
   >>
   [1206]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1207]detomaso at server.det
   omasolist.com><ma
   ilto:[1208]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   >>    m>
   >>        Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>        Julian,
   >>        Yes, he mentioned two different products for different
   >>    applications but
   >>        only
   >>        had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows
   the
   >>    idler
   >>        that
   >>        replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
   >>        Mike
   >>        Sent from my iPhone
   >>        On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift
   >>
   <[1209]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:[1210]julian_kift at hotmail.com><ma
   ilto:julian_kift@
   hotmail.com>> wrote:
   >>>  Mike,
   >>>
   >>>  It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
   >>    the
   >>        one
   >>>  that was previously linked appears to go in the stock
   >>    location, but
   >>        was
   >>>  adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a
   >>    wrench
   >>        on
   >>>  the rear.
   >>>  Julian
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>>
   >>>  From: DeTomaso
   >>
   <[1211]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1212]detomaso-b
   ounces at server.det
   omasolist.com><mailto:[1213]detomaso-bounces at serve
   >>    r.detomasolist.com<[1214]http://r.detomasolist.com/>>> on behalf
   >>        of
   >>>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   >>
   <[1215]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1216]detomaso at server.de
   tomasolist.com><m
   ailto:[1217]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>>  Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
   >>>  To: David Nunn
   >>>  Cc:
   >>
   <[1218]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[1219]detomaso at server.de
   tomasolist.com><m
   ailto:[1220]detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   >>    om>>
   >>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>>
   >>>  All,
   >>>  Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup.
   >>    Note
   >>        there
   >>>  is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
   >>        firewall
   >>>  kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
   >>
   >>
   [cid:[1221]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.c
   om<mailto:8
   [1222]741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com><mai
   >>
   lto:[1223]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.co
   m<mailto:87
   [1224]41-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com>>]
   >>>  Mike
   >>>  Sent from my iPhone
   >>>  On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn"
   >>
   <[1225]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[1226]dnunn at telus.net><mailto:[1227]dnunn
   @telus.net>>
   wrote:
   >>>> Rob,
   >>>>
   >>>> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's
   >>    kit.
   >>        It
   >>>> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
   >>>  adjustable.
   >>>> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
   >>    IPSCO's
   >>>  web
   >>>> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
   >>>>
   >>>> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation
   >>    and
   >>>  belt
   >>>> tensioning a breeze.
   >>>>
   >>>> [1][1228]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>>>
   >>>> References
   >>>>
   >>>> 1.
   [1][1229]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>>  [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
   >>>  [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking
   >>    ...
   >>>
   www.ipsco.org<[1230]http://www.ipsco.org/><[160][1231]http://www.ipsco.
   org/>
   >>>  Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
   >>        Pulley,
   >>>  this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
   >>        behind
   >>>  the bracket to tighten in ...
   >>>> _______________________________________________
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   >>> References
   >>>
   >>>  1.
   >>
   [161][1240]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>>  2.
   >>
   [162][1241]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>>  3.
   >>
   [163][1242]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>>  4.
   >>
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   >>    3. [1263]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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   >>    6. mailto:[1267]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   >>    7. mailto:[1268]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   >>    8. mailto:[1269]demongusta at gmail.com
   >>    9. mailto:[1270]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>  10. mailto:[1271]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>  11. mailto:[1272]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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   niversal/pr
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   >>  87. mailto:[1349]will.kooiman at gmail.com
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   60916/33a69
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