[DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
Asa Jay Laughton
asajay at asajay.com
Sat Sep 17 18:52:50 EDT 2016
I will add this. Of any car, I think the Pantera is the easiest to pull a transmission out of. With that in mind, I might not put too much weight in the inconvenience of failure, though any failure is inconvenient.
Asa
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Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com> wrote:
>Thank you Mike!
>
>I did have a very similar customer service experience with McLeod. The unit
>that's in my cobra was an older unit had acquired from another project....
>and just exactly like you stated, when I sent it to them for a rebuild
>before installing in my build, they sent me a brand new unit in the box to
>ensure "a positive experience with their product". At no cost. Not even
>rebuild cost.
>
>That being said, do to your experience as well as others stated on this
>discussion, I will consider my options carefully going forward.
>
>Thank you so much
>
>Cullen.
>
>On Sep 17, 2016 4:25 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, cmccann1972 at gmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>> Good afternoon!
>>
>> Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they say is
>> Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a
>> fantastic experience with them on another performance car application.
>>
>> https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
>>
>>
>> >>>I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since 1993. In
>> 2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I pulled the gearbox and
>> removed it, and called McLeod.
>>
>> They told me they had performed two design revisions (improvements) since
>> mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild.
>>
>> I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new hydraulics, they
>> went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even though the old one only
>> had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine shape. So they essentially gave
>> me an entirely new setup, and shipped it back to me...
>>
>> For FREE!
>>
>> I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they told me not
>> to worry about it! This despite the fact that the one I sent them was
>> TWENTY years old!!!
>>
>> Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way, but that
>> gives a clear indication about how they feel about their customers
>> generally.
>>
>> BUT.
>>
>> Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert from a
>> functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing. The advantages
>> are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least of which is the high
>> cost. From a maintenance perspective, they are a nightmare, as whenever
>> the slightly thing goes wrong you have to pull your gearbox. (My Pantera
>> has been all but sidelined for the better part of a year due to my own
>> laziness, because when I installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed to
>> consider that they would not respect my precise measurements when they
>> reassembled it, and thus it was put together with insufficient clearance so
>> that as the disc wore, now it's slipping).
>>
>> If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it. Having done
>> it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that are removed when doing
>> so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I will just grit my teeth and
>> (someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart to adjust it properly and then put it
>> back together.
>>
>> FWIW….
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> Thank you Mike!
>
> I did have a very similar customer service experience with McLeod. The
> unit that's in my cobra was an older unit had acquired from another
> project.... and just exactly like you stated, when I sent it to them
> for a rebuild before installing in myA build, they sent me a brand new
> unit in the box to ensure "a positive experience with their product".
> At no cost. Not even rebuild cost.
>
> That being said, do to your experience as well as others stated on this
> discussion, I will consider my options carefully going forward.
>
> Thank you so much
>
> Cullen.
>
> On Sep 17, 2016 4:25 PM, <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, [2]cmccann1972 at gmail.com writes:
> Good afternoon!
> Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they
> say is
> Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had
> a
> fantastic experience with them on another performance car
> application.
> [3]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
> >>>I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since
> 1993. In 2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I pulled
> the gearbox and removed it, and called McLeod.
> They told me they had performed two design revisions (improvements)
> since mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild.
> I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new
> hydraulics, they went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even
> though the old one only had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine
> shape. So they essentially gave me an entirely new setup, and
> shipped it back to me...
> For FREE!
> I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they told
> me not to worry about it!A This despite the fact that the one I
> sent them was TWENTY years old!!!
> Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way,
> but that gives a clear indication about how they feel about their
> customers generally.
> BUT.
> Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert
> from a functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing.A
> The advantages are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least
> of which is the high cost.A From a maintenance perspective, they
> are a nightmare, as whenever the slightly thing goes wrong you have
> to pull your gearbox.A (My Pantera has been all but sidelined for
> the better part of a year due to my own laziness, because when I
> installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed to consider that they
> would not respect my precise measurements when they reassembled it,
> and thus it was put together with insufficient clearance so that as
> the disc wore, now it's slipping).
> If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it.A
> Having done it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that are
> removed when doing so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I
> will just grit my teeth and (someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart to
> adjust it properly and then put it back together.
> FWIWa|.
> Mike
>
>References
>
> 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 2. mailto:cmccann1972 at gmail.com
> 3. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
>
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I will add this. Of any car, I think the Pantera is the easiest to
pull a transmission out of. With that in mind, I might not put too
much weight in the inconvenience of failure, though any failure is
inconvenient.
Asa
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Mike!
I did have a very similar customer service experience with McLeod. The
unit
that's in my cobra was an older unit had acquired from another
project....
and just exactly like you stated, when I sent it to them for a rebuild
before installing in my build, they sent me a brand new unit in the
box to
ensure "a positive experience with their product". At no cost. Not even
rebuild cost.
That being said, do to your experience as well as others stated on this
discussion, I will consider my options carefully going forward.
Thank you so much
Cullen.
On Sep 17, 2016 4:25 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, cmccann1972 at gmail.com writes:
>
>
> Good afternoon!
>
> Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they
say is
> Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a
> fantastic experience with them on another performance car
application.
>
> https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
>
>
> >>>I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since
1993. In
> 2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I pulled the
gearbox and
> removed it, and called McLeod.
>
> They told me they had performed two design revisions (improvements)
since
> mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild.
>
> I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new hydraulics,
they
> went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even though the old one
only
> had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine shape. So they essentially
gave
> me an entirely new setup, and shipped it back to me...
>
> For FREE!
>
> I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they told
me not
> to worry about it! This despite the fact that the one I sent them
was
> TWENTY years old!!!
>
> Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way, but
that
> gives a clear indication about how they feel about their customers
> generally.
>
> BUT.
>
> Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert from
a
> functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing. The
advantages
> are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least of which is the
high
> cost. From a maintenance perspective, they are a nightmare, as
whenever
> the slightly thing goes wrong you have to pull your gearbox. (My
Pantera
> has been all but sidelined for the better part of a year due to my
own
> laziness, because when I installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed
to
> consider that they would not respect my precise measurements when
they
> reassembled it, and thus it was put together with insufficient
clearance so
> that as the disc wore, now it's slipping).
>
> If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it. Having
done
> it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that are removed when
doing
> so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I will just grit my
teeth and
> (someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart to adjust it properly and then
put it
> back together.
>
> FWIWa|.
>
> Mike
>
Thank you Mike!
I did have a very similar customer service experience with McLeod.
The
unit that's in my cobra was an older unit had acquired from another
project.... and just exactly like you stated, when I sent it to them
for a rebuild before installing in myA build, they sent me a brand
new
unit in the box to ensure "a positive experience with their
product".
At no cost. Not even rebuild cost.
That being said, do to your experience as well as others stated on
this
discussion, I will consider my options carefully going forward.
Thank you so much
Cullen.
On Sep 17, 2016 4:25 PM, <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, [2]cmccann1972 at gmail.com
writes:
Good afternoon!
Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that
they
say is
Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've
had
a
fantastic experience with them on another performance car
application.
[3]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
>>>I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since
1993. In 2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I
pulled
the gearbox and removed it, and called McLeod.
They told me they had performed two design revisions
(improvements)
since mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild.
I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new
hydraulics, they went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even
though the old one only had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine
shape. So they essentially gave me an entirely new setup, and
shipped it back to me...
For FREE!
I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they
told
me not to worry about it!A This despite the fact that the one I
sent them was TWENTY years old!!!
Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way,
but that gives a clear indication about how they feel about their
customers generally.
BUT.
Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert
from a functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing.A
The advantages are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least
of which is the high cost.A From a maintenance perspective, they
are a nightmare, as whenever the slightly thing goes wrong you
have
to pull your gearbox.A (My Pantera has been all but sidelined for
the better part of a year due to my own laziness, because when I
installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed to consider that they
would not respect my precise measurements when they reassembled
it,
and thus it was put together with insufficient clearance so that
as
the disc wore, now it's slipping).
If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it.A
Having done it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that
are
removed when doing so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I
will just grit my teeth and (someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart
to
adjust it properly and then put it back together.
FWIWa|.
Mike
References
1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
2. mailto:cmccann1972 at gmail.com
3. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
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