[DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out

Asa Jay Laughton asajay at asajay.com
Sat Sep 17 18:52:50 EDT 2016


I will add this.  Of any car, I think the Pantera is the easiest to pull a transmission out of.  With that in mind, I might not put too much weight in the inconvenience of failure, though any failure is inconvenient.

Asa

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Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com> wrote:

>Thank you Mike!
>
>I did have a very similar customer service experience with McLeod. The unit
>that's in my cobra was an older unit had acquired from another project....
>and just exactly like you stated, when I sent it to them for a rebuild
>before installing in my  build, they sent me a brand new unit in the box to
>ensure "a positive experience with their product". At no cost. Not even
>rebuild cost.
>
>That being said, do to your experience as well as others stated on this
>discussion, I will consider my options carefully going forward.
>
>Thank you so much
>
>Cullen.
>
>On Sep 17, 2016 4:25 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, cmccann1972 at gmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>> Good afternoon!
>>
>> Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they say is
>> Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a
>> fantastic experience with them on another performance car application.
>>
>> https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
>>
>>
>> >>>I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since 1993. In
>> 2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I pulled the gearbox and
>> removed it, and called McLeod.
>>
>> They told me they had performed two design revisions (improvements) since
>> mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild.
>>
>> I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new hydraulics, they
>> went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even though the old one only
>> had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine shape. So they essentially gave
>> me an entirely new setup, and shipped it back to me...
>>
>> For FREE!
>>
>> I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they told me not
>> to worry about it!  This despite the fact that the one I sent them was
>> TWENTY years old!!!
>>
>> Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way, but that
>> gives a clear indication about how they feel about their customers
>> generally.
>>
>> BUT.
>>
>> Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert from a
>> functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing.  The advantages
>> are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least of which is the high
>> cost.  From a maintenance perspective, they are a nightmare, as whenever
>> the slightly thing goes wrong you have to pull your gearbox.  (My Pantera
>> has been all but sidelined for the better part of a year due to my own
>> laziness, because when I installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed to
>> consider that they would not respect my precise measurements when they
>> reassembled it, and thus it was put together with insufficient clearance so
>> that as the disc wore, now it's slipping).
>>
>> If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it.  Having done
>> it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that are removed when doing
>> so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I will just grit my teeth and
>> (someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart to adjust it properly and then put it
>> back together.
>>
>> FWIW….
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
>   Thank you Mike!
>
>   I did have a very similar customer service experience with McLeod. The
>   unit that's in my cobra was an older unit had acquired from another
>   project.... and just exactly like you stated, when I sent it to them
>   for a rebuild before installing in myA  build, they sent me a brand new
>   unit in the box to ensure "a positive experience with their product".
>   At no cost. Not even rebuild cost.
>
>   That being said, do to your experience as well as others stated on this
>   discussion, I will consider my options carefully going forward.
>
>   Thank you so much
>
>   Cullen.
>
>   On Sep 17, 2016 4:25 PM, <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
>     In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, [2]cmccann1972 at gmail.com writes:
>     Good afternoon!
>     Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they
>     say is
>     Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had
>     a
>     fantastic experience with them on another performance car
>     application.
>     [3]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
>     >>>I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since
>     1993. In 2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I pulled
>     the gearbox and removed it, and called McLeod.
>     They told me they had performed two design revisions (improvements)
>     since mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild.
>     I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new
>     hydraulics, they went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even
>     though the old one only had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine
>     shape. So they essentially gave me an entirely new setup, and
>     shipped it back to me...
>     For FREE!
>     I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they told
>     me not to worry about it!A  This despite the fact that the one I
>     sent them was TWENTY years old!!!
>     Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way,
>     but that gives a clear indication about how they feel about their
>     customers generally.
>     BUT.
>     Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert
>     from a functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing.A
>     The advantages are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least
>     of which is the high cost.A  From a maintenance perspective, they
>     are a nightmare, as whenever the slightly thing goes wrong you have
>     to pull your gearbox.A  (My Pantera has been all but sidelined for
>     the better part of a year due to my own laziness, because when I
>     installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed to consider that they
>     would not respect my precise measurements when they reassembled it,
>     and thus it was put together with insufficient clearance so that as
>     the disc wore, now it's slipping).
>     If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it.A
>     Having done it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that are
>     removed when doing so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I
>     will just grit my teeth and (someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart to
>     adjust it properly and then put it back together.
>     FWIWa|.
>     Mike
>
>References
>
>   1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>   2. mailto:cmccann1972 at gmail.com
>   3. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
>
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   I will add this.  Of any car, I think the Pantera is the easiest to
   pull a transmission out of.  With that in mind, I might not put too
   much weight in the inconvenience of failure, though any failure is
   inconvenient.
   Asa
   Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks

   Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com> wrote:
   Thank you Mike!
   I did have a very similar customer service experience with McLeod. The
   unit
   that's in my cobra was an older unit had acquired from another
   project....
   and just exactly like you stated, when I sent it to them for a rebuild
   before installing in my  build, they sent me a brand new unit in the
   box to
   ensure "a positive experience with their product". At no cost. Not even
   rebuild cost.
   That being said, do to your experience as well as others stated on this
   discussion, I will consider my options carefully going forward.
   Thank you so much
   Cullen.
   On Sep 17, 2016 4:25 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
   >
   >
   > In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, cmccann1972 at gmail.com writes:
   >
   >
   > Good afternoon!
   >
   > Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they
   say is
   > Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a
   > fantastic experience with them on another performance car
   application.
   >
   > https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
   >
   >
   > >>>I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since
   1993. In
   > 2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I pulled the
   gearbox and
   > removed it, and called McLeod.
   >
   > They told me they had performed two design revisions (improvements)
   since
   > mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild.
   >
   > I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new hydraulics,
   they
   > went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even though the old one
   only
   > had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine shape. So they essentially
   gave
   > me an entirely new setup, and shipped it back to me...
   >
   > For FREE!
   >
   > I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they told
   me not
   > to worry about it!  This despite the fact that the one I sent them
   was
   > TWENTY years old!!!
   >
   > Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way, but
   that
   > gives a clear indication about how they feel about their customers
   > generally.
   >
   > BUT.
   >
   > Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert from
   a
   > functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing.  The
   advantages
   > are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least of which is the
   high
   > cost.  From a maintenance perspective, they are a nightmare, as
   whenever
   > the slightly thing goes wrong you have to pull your gearbox.  (My
   Pantera
   > has been all but sidelined for the better part of a year due to my
   own
   > laziness, because when I installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed
   to
   > consider that they would not respect my precise measurements when
   they
   > reassembled it, and thus it was put together with insufficient
   clearance so
   > that as the disc wore, now it's slipping).
   >
   > If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it.  Having
   done
   > it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that are removed when
   doing
   > so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I will just grit my
   teeth and
   > (someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart to adjust it properly and then
   put it
   > back together.
   >
   > FWIWa|.
   >
   > Mike
   >
      Thank you Mike!
      I did have a very similar customer service experience with McLeod.
   The
      unit that's in my cobra was an older unit had acquired from another
      project.... and just exactly like you stated, when I sent it to them
      for a rebuild before installing in myA  build, they sent me a brand
   new
      unit in the box to ensure "a positive experience with their
   product".
      At no cost. Not even rebuild cost.
      That being said, do to your experience as well as others stated on
   this
      discussion, I will consider my options carefully going forward.
      Thank you so much
      Cullen.
      On Sep 17, 2016 4:25 PM, <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
        In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, [2]cmccann1972 at gmail.com
   writes:
        Good afternoon!
        Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that
   they
        say is
        Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've
   had
        a
        fantastic experience with them on another performance car
        application.
        [3]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
        >>>I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since
        1993. In 2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I
   pulled
        the gearbox and removed it, and called McLeod.
        They told me they had performed two design revisions
   (improvements)
        since mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild.
        I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new
        hydraulics, they went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even
        though the old one only had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine
        shape. So they essentially gave me an entirely new setup, and
        shipped it back to me...
        For FREE!
        I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they
   told
        me not to worry about it!A  This despite the fact that the one I
        sent them was TWENTY years old!!!
        Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way,
        but that gives a clear indication about how they feel about their
        customers generally.
        BUT.
        Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert
        from a functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing.A
        The advantages are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least
        of which is the high cost.A  From a maintenance perspective, they
        are a nightmare, as whenever the slightly thing goes wrong you
   have
        to pull your gearbox.A  (My Pantera has been all but sidelined for
        the better part of a year due to my own laziness, because when I
        installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed to consider that they
        would not respect my precise measurements when they reassembled
   it,
        and thus it was put together with insufficient clearance so that
   as
        the disc wore, now it's slipping).
        If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it.A
        Having done it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that
   are
        removed when doing so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I
        will just grit my teeth and (someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart
   to
        adjust it properly and then put it back together.
        FWIWa|.
        Mike
   References
      1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
      2. mailto:cmccann1972 at gmail.com
      3. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
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