[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7
Kjeld Pedersen
info at servicegear.dk
Wed Sep 7 16:11:08 EDT 2016
Hi.
Where do i find the auktion for this flooded Pantera.
Kjeld Pedersen
Denmark.
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> 1. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Asa Jay Laughton)
> 2. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Corey Price)
> 3. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Himes, Terry (397C))
> 4. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Jeff Cobb)
> 5. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Ed Mendez)
> 6. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Ed Mendez)
> 7. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Bill Lewis)
> 8. Another Scirocco for Mike Drew? (Mike Reilly)
> 9. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Charles Engles)
> 10. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Scott Mead Photography)
> 11. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Jim Gray)
> 12. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Julian Kift)
> 13. Re: Another Scirocco for Mike Drew? (Paul A Rimov)
> 14. NPC: Re: Another Scirocco for Mike Drew? (Mike Drew)
> 15. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (bill at incendium.com)
> 16. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Jeff Cobb)
> 17. Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive (Ed Mendez)
> 18. Re: Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive (Michael Becker)
> 19. Re: Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive (Mike Drew)
> 20. Re: Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive
> (Asa Jay Laughton)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 09:12:36 -0700
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
> Message-ID:
> <20160906091236.Horde.ar-Z_qWIOS8j_qGVt8ynMXJ at webmail.asajay.com>
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> For what it's worth, when I was in Castle Rock a few years ago and had
> time to visit with Dennis and Adam at Pantera Performance Center,
> Dennis essentially told me the same thing about the front trunk brace
> (as I recall). That it really wasn't necessary and only served to
> reduce the amount of usable space in a street car that was only
> occasionally tracked or open road raced. I believe his recommendation
> was to not bother with it for most purposes.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Quoting Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>:
>
>> If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly
>> useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the
>> upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job.
>> Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm
>> supports. Larry
>>
>> On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
>> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you
>>> are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street
>>> car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although
>>> maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only
>>> taking briefs and bras...
>>>
>>> Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the
>>> trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be
>>> functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts.
>>> Julian
>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>>> John McKee <johnmckee at cox.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
>>>
>>> I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to
>>> figure out
>>> the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by
>>> Precision
>>> ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks
>>> like I
>>> would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the
>>> upper
>>> suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to
>>> plug
>>> weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience
>>> installing these plates?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> John
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 10:59:11 -0600
> From: Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
> To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, John McKee <johnmckee at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
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> I'm not an automotive engineer but I am a structural engineer and such bracing in the front trunk isn't my first choice in brace points. There's a couple other "elephants in the room" so to speak. I've had some good conversations with Goran Malmberg about his testing of torsional stiffness and tend to agree with his test results. I have Larry's bracing. There's two other really good locations to brace besides what Larry has:
>
> 1. The rear upper cross brace is useless and is a hinge where it needs to be stiff. There is significant twisting there. The Precision Proformance brace there helps.
> 2. The interior of the car twists the most. Rocker strengthening or full roll cage would help if done right but I would only do a roll cage in a race car where a helmet is worn. Also, to brace it right, the passenger seat would be useless.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Corey
>
>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>
>> If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly
>> useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the
>> upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job.
>> Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm
>> supports. Larry
>>
>> On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
>> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you
>>> are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street
>>> car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although
>>> maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only
>>> taking briefs and bras...
>>>
>>> Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the
>>> trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be
>>> functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts.
>>> Julian
>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>>> John McKee <johnmckee at cox.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
>>>
>>> I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to
>>> figure out
>>> the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by
>>> Precision
>>> ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks
>>> like I
>>> would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the
>>> upper
>>> suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to
>>> plug
>>> weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience
>>> installing these plates?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> John
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:03:08 +0000
> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> To: "asajay at asajay.com" <asajay at asajay.com>,
> "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
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> The problem is, most place force you to buy both! Correct me if I'm wrong.
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> ??
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>
> Reply-To: "asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>" <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 9:12 AM
> To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
>
> For what it's worth, when I was in Castle Rock a few years ago and had
> time to visit with Dennis and Adam at Pantera Performance Center,
> Dennis essentially told me the same thing about the front trunk brace
> (as I recall). That it really wasn't necessary and only served to
> reduce the amount of usable space in a street car that was only
> occasionally tracked or open road raced. I believe his recommendation
> was to not bother with it for most purposes.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Quoting Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com>>:
>
> If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly
> useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the
> upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job.
> Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm
> supports. Larry
>
> On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you
> are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street
> car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although
> maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only
> taking briefs and bras...
>
> Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the
> trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be
> functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts.
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of
> John McKee <johnmckee at cox.net<mailto:johnmckee at cox.net>>
> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
>
> I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to
> figure out
> the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by
> Precision
> ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks
> like I
> would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the
> upper
> suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to
> plug
> weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience
> installing these plates?
>
> Thank you,
>
> John
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
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> The problem is, most place force you to buy both! Correct me if I'm
> wrong.
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
>
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
>
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>
> [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of Asa Jay Laughton <[3]asajay at asajay.com>
> Reply-To: "[4]asajay at asajay.com" <[5]asajay at asajay.com>
> Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 9:12 AM
> To: "[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
>
> For what it's worth, when I was in Castle Rock a few years ago and
> had
> time to visit with Dennis and Adam at Pantera Performance Center,
> Dennis essentially told me the same thing about the front trunk brace
> (as I recall). That it really wasn't necessary and only served to
> reduce the amount of usable space in a street car that was only
> occasionally tracked or open road raced. I believe his
> recommendation
> was to not bother with it for most purposes.
> Asa Jay
> Quoting Larry Stock <[8]larrys at panteraparts.com>:
>
> If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly
>
> useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the
>
> upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory
> job.
>
> Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower
> A-Arm
>
> supports. Larry
>
> On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
>
> <[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>
> [10]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless
> you
>
> are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a
> street
>
> car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although
>
> maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only
>
> taking briefs and bras...
>
> Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the
>
> trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be
>
> functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts.
>
> Julian
>
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <[11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
>
> John McKee <[12]johnmckee at cox.net>
>
> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM
>
> To: [13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
>
> I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to
>
> figure out
>
> the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by
>
> Precision
>
> ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks
>
> like I
>
> would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with
> the
>
> upper
>
> suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to
>
> plug
>
> weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their
> experience
>
> installing these plates?
>
> Thank you,
>
> John
>
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>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 12:43:49 -0500
> From: Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1 at me.com>
> To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
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> The old motto about Harley Davidsons comes to mind.
> If it does not go fast, then chrome it.
> Jeff Cobb
>
>
>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 12:03 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>> The problem is, most place force you to buy both! Correct me if I'm
>> wrong.
>>
>> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>>
>> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>>
>> Terry W. Himes
>>
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>
>> Dawn Spacecraft Team
>>
>> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>>
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>>
>> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>>
>> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>>
>> [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>> of Asa Jay Laughton <[3]asajay at asajay.com>
>> Reply-To: "[4]asajay at asajay.com" <[5]asajay at asajay.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 9:12 AM
>> To: "[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>> <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
>>
>> For what it's worth, when I was in Castle Rock a few years ago and
>> had
>> time to visit with Dennis and Adam at Pantera Performance Center,
>> Dennis essentially told me the same thing about the front trunk brace
>> (as I recall). That it really wasn't necessary and only served to
>> reduce the amount of usable space in a street car that was only
>> occasionally tracked or open road raced. I believe his
>> recommendation
>> was to not bother with it for most purposes.
>> Asa Jay
>> Quoting Larry Stock <[8]larrys at panteraparts.com>:
>>
>> If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly
>>
>> useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the
>>
>> upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory
>> job.
>>
>> Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower
>> A-Arm
>>
>> supports. Larry
>>
>> On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
>>
>> <[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>>
>> [10]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless
>> you
>>
>> are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a
>> street
>>
>> car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although
>>
>> maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only
>>
>> taking briefs and bras...
>>
>> Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the
>>
>> trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be
>>
>> functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <[11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
>> behalf of
>>
>> John McKee <[12]johnmckee at cox.net>
>>
>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM
>>
>> To: [13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
>>
>> I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to
>>
>> figure out
>>
>> the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by
>>
>> Precision
>>
>> ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks
>>
>> like I
>>
>> would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with
>> the
>>
>> upper
>>
>> suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to
>>
>> plug
>>
>> weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their
>> experience
>>
>> installing these plates?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> John
>>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2016 09:06:01 +1200
> From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
> To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, John McKee <johnmckee at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
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> Mine is a useful mount for my amplifier in the front trunk. And I have enough room left over for a few cleaning supplies and car duster. :-) Luggage goes on the girlfriend's lap doesn't it?
>
> But seriously, the kit does come with stiffeners underneath as well so when all 4 are combined doesn't that help in the overall stiffness?
>
> Thanks, Ed
>
>> On Sep 06, 2016, at 08:37 AM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>
>
>> If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly
>> useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the
>> upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job.
>> Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm
>> supports. Larry
>>
>> On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
>> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you
>>> are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street
>>> car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although
>>> maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only
>>> taking briefs and bras...
>>>
>>> Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the
>>> trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be
>>> functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts.
>>> Julian
>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>>> John McKee <johnmckee at cox.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
>>>
>>> I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to
>>> figure out
>>> the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by
>>> Precision
>>> ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks
>>> like I
>>> would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the
>>> upper
>>> suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to
>>> plug
>>> weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience
>>> installing these plates?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> John
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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> Mine is a useful mount for my amplifier in the front trunk. And I have
> enough room left over for a few cleaning supplies and car duster. :-)
> Luggage goes on the girlfriend's lap doesn't it?
> But seriously, the kit does come with stiffeners underneath as well so
> when all 4 are combined doesn't that help in the overall stiffness?
> Thanks, Ed IMG_0011.JPG IMG_0012.JPG IMG_7245.jpg
> On Sep 06, 2016, at 08:37 AM, Larry Stock <[1]larrys at panteraparts.com>
> wrote:
>
> If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly
> useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the
> upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory
> job.
> Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower
> A-Arm
> supports. Larry
> On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
> <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless
> you
>
> are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a
> street
>
> car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although
>
> maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only
>
> taking briefs and bras...
>
> Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the
>
> trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be
>
> functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts.
>
> Julian
>
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
>
> John McKee <[5]johnmckee at cox.net>
>
> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM
>
> To: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
>
> I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to
>
> figure out
>
> the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by
>
> Precision
>
> ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks
>
> like I
>
> would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with
> the
>
> upper
>
> suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to
>
> plug
>
> weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their
> experience
>
> installing these plates?
>
> Thank you,
>
> John
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 22:18:59 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
> To: cengles at cox.net
> Cc: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
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> So they scrap cars even if they are classics??
>
> That is criminal if they scrap that Pantera.
>
> Ed
>
> On Sep 06, 2016, at 04:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote:
>
> Dear Jeff,
>
> I thought that perhaps you might reply and I thought
> that you would have a pretty good idea about what is going on with
> these flood damaged sports cars. I am glad that you're OK.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:11 PM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>
> This car may not be for sale in Louisiana though loopholes are
> everywhere.
>
> Louisiana law states this and even more since this is a disaster area.
>
> Basically when the insurance totaled paid off and flooded car is free
> of its
> owner,
> it must be scrapped.
>
> Very sad to leave from after I spent weekend transporting people from
> flood waters to going to
> Monterey week and then back to this. I have one customer who lost 12
> hot rods. I was lucky!
>
> Most dealers do not have used cars to sell and rent cars are coming in
> from five states away!
>
> Most did not have insurance because this never should ave happened at
> all!
>
> Two of my mechanics have been paid $22,000.each by FEMA within three
> days so far for the three feet
>
> of water in their homes.
>
> I felt wrong, guilty, confused, bad and sad leaving the next day but
> with my medical condition I could
> not go in butt deepwater
> full of feces, garbage and diesel/ gasoline fuels floating on top to
> help my friends.
>
> Enjoyed seeing and talking with you deTomaso guys and gals out in the
> dry world.
>
> Quack quack.
>
> Jeff Cobb
>
> Baton Rouge, La.
>
> 225-907-4514
>
> Bordinat Mangusta
>
> -------------------------Newspaper article--------9/1/16-------------
>
> As of Wednesday, State Farm -- just one of the insurers that serves car
> owners in the area
> -- had received
> almost 18,000 auto claims related to flooding.
>
> That number was more than double the number of homeowner claims the
> company had received, spokesman
> Roszell Gadsen said.
>
> With such a large volume, towing companies have been stretched to the
> limit.
>
> aWeave been working around the clock,a said Ronnie
> Stewart,
> of Stewartas Towing in
> Livingston Parish.
>
> aItas been hectic and crazy,a Stewart said. He estimated that his
> company, a small one with four
> trucks, had towed more than
> 300 cars since the waters receded.
>
> There were still plenty more left to be towed.
>
> aWe probably havenat put a dent in all the cars thatas flooded,a he
> said.
>
> In East Baton Rouge Parish, the woman who answered the phone at
> Roadrunner Towing said there were
> no words to describe how busy it had been. Roadrunner, which has
> contracts with several local police
> agencies, had towed more than 700 vehicles by midweek.
>
> Most of the cars are being taken to private towers' yards or large auto
> salvage yards like Insurance Auto
> Auctions in Livingston or Copart in Greenwell Springs.
>
> Jeanene OaBrien, of Insurance Auto Auctions, said the company is
> handling athousands of cars per day.a
>
> A caras trip to one of these yards will be the first leg of its journey
> to the compactor or the junkyard.
>
> When a flood-damaged car arrives at Insurance Auto Auctionsa yard in
> Livingston,
> for example, the vehicle identification number is
> registered with both
> the
> National Insurance Crime Bureau and the National Motor
> Vehicle Title Information System.
>
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>
>
> The state's Office of Motor Vehicles also will issue a certificate of
> destruction for any
> car that is
> totaled because of a gubernatorially declared disaster. The certificate
> is reported to those
> same national databases as a "fatal brand," or one that should prevent
> the car from being sold for
> anything besides parts or scrap.
>
> Insurance Auto Auctions sells only to licensed dealers, scrappers or
> dismantlers, OaBrien
> said. Members of the
> public cannot purchase cars from the company's lots in Louisiana.
>
> The process has improved since Hurricane Katrina, when thousands of
> destroyed cars remained
> under highway overpasses for months, said Jill Jarreau, of the OMV.
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>
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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Charles Engles < [36]cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
> An insurance adjustor friend of a Pantera friend
> told
>
> him that this Pantera is flooded and has been totaled and is
> available
>
> with a salvage title in Baton Rouge.
>
> It appears to be pretty stock. One picture I did
> not
>
> include shows the tub with a space saver spare plus the red inflator.
>
> The pictures seem to show a high water mark above the window sills.
>
> It seems that this car is *supposed* to be available
>
> for online auction through: [1]http://www.copart.com I have tried
>
> searching for it three times and can't find it on their site although
>
> there are lots of flood damaged and other cars there, i.e. Ferraris
> and
>
> Maseratis, etc, in small numbers.
>
> Supposedly the value on the car was said to be
>
> "$10,000". However, all the cars on the site are up for bid with a
>
> few "drivers" also available for a "buy it now" price. Finally, it
>
> seems that you have to register and pay a fee before you can bid.
>
> However, if you're keen for a "deal", then perhaps
>
> calling the Baton Rouge Copart salvage yard might be advantageous.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> References
>
> 1. [37]http://www.copart.com/
>
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>
> References
>
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> So they scrap cars even if they are classics?
>
> That is criminal if they scrap that Pantera.
>
> Ed
>
> On Sep 06, 2016, at 04:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote:
>
> Dear Jeff,
> I thought that perhaps you might reply and I thought
> that you would have a pretty good idea about what is going on with
> these flood damaged sports cars. I am glad that you're OK.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:11 PM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> Chuck,
> This car may not be for sale in Louisiana though loopholes are
> everywhere.
> Louisiana law states this and even more since this is a disaster area.
> Basically when the insurance totaled paid off and flooded car is free
> of its
> owner,
> it must be scrapped.
> Very sad to leave from after I spent weekend transporting people from
> flood waters to going to
> Monterey week and then back to this. I have one customer who lost 12
> hot rods. I was lucky!
> Most dealers do not have used cars to sell and rent cars are coming in
> from five states away!
> Most did not have insurance because this never should ave happened at
> all!
> Two of my mechanics have been paid $22,000.each by FEMA within three
> days so far for the three feet
> of water in their homes.
> I felt wrong, guilty, confused, bad and sad leaving the next day but
> with my medical condition I could
> not go in butt deepwater
> full of feces, garbage and diesel/ gasoline fuels floating on top to
> help my friends.
> Enjoyed seeing and talking with you deTomaso guys and gals out in the
> dry world.
> Quack quack.
> Jeff Cobb
> Baton Rouge, La.
> 225-907-4514
> Bordinat Mangusta
> -------------------------Newspaper article--------9/1/16-------------
> As of Wednesday, State Farm -- just one of the insurers that serves car
> owners in the area
> -- had received
> almost 18,000 auto claims related to flooding.
> That number was more than double the number of homeowner claims the
> company had received, spokesman
> Roszell Gadsen said.
> With such a large volume, towing companies have been stretched to the
> limit.
> aWeave been working around the clock,a said Ronnie
> Stewart,
> of Stewartas Towing in
> Livingston Parish.
> aItas been hectic and crazy,a Stewart said. He estimated that his
> company, a small one with four
> trucks, had towed more than
> 300 cars since the waters receded.
> There were still plenty more left to be towed.
> aWe probably havenat put a dent in all the cars thatas flooded,a he
> said.
> In East Baton Rouge Parish, the woman who answered the phone at
> Roadrunner Towing said there were
> no words to describe how busy it had been. Roadrunner, which has
> contracts with several local police
> agencies, had towed more than 700 vehicles by midweek.
> Most of the cars are being taken to private towers' yards or large auto
> salvage yards like Insurance Auto
> Auctions in Livingston or Copart in Greenwell Springs.
> Jeanene OaBrien, of Insurance Auto Auctions, said the company is
> handling athousands of cars per day.a
> A caras trip to one of these yards will be the first leg of its journey
> to the compactor or the junkyard.
> When a flood-damaged car arrives at Insurance Auto Auctionsa yard in
> Livingston,
> for example, the vehicle identification number is
> registered with both
> the
> National Insurance Crime Bureau and the National Motor
> Vehicle Title Information System.
> RELATED [1]Why you may not need to file an insurance claim before
> applying for FEMA assistance
> [2]Why you may not need to file an insurance claim before applying for
> FEMA assistance
> People whose flood-damaged homes and vehicles weren't covered by flood
> insurance or with coma|
> The state's Office of Motor Vehicles also will issue a certificate of
> destruction for any
> car that is
> totaled because of a gubernatorially declared disaster. The certificate
> is reported to those
> same national databases as a "fatal brand," or one that should prevent
> the car from being sold for
> anything besides parts or scrap.
> Insurance Auto Auctions sells only to licensed dealers, scrappers or
> dismantlers, OaBrien
> said. Members of the
> public cannot purchase cars from the company's lots in Louisiana.
> The process has improved since Hurricane Katrina, when thousands of
> destroyed cars remained
> under highway overpasses for months, said Jill Jarreau, of the OMV.
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> The Louisiana Department of Insurance has issued a reminder to
> insurance companies regarding the Certificate of Destruction title
> requirements for flooded vehicles.
> The department issued the bulletin following the federal declaration of
> disaster due to the recent [18]massive flooding in Southeast
> Louisiana.
> A Certificate of Destruction is a type of title for water damaged
> vehicle that has been declared a total loss.
> The department said that when, as a result of an insurance settlement,
> a motor vehicle is determined to be a total loss due to water damage,
> Louisiana law requires the insurance company acquiring ownership of the
> vehicle to send the certificate of title to the Office of Motor
> Vehicles along with an application for a Certificate of Destruction.
> The certificate and application must be sent to the OMV within 30 days
> from the settlement of the claim.
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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Charles Engles < [36]cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
> Dear Forum,
> An insurance adjustor friend of a Pantera friend
> told
> him that this Pantera is flooded and has been totaled and is
> available
> with a salvage title in Baton Rouge.
> It appears to be pretty stock. One picture I did
> not
> include shows the tub with a space saver spare plus the red inflator.
> The pictures seem to show a high water mark above the window sills.
> It seems that this car is *supposed* to be available
> for online auction through: [1][1]http://www.copart.com I have tried
> searching for it three times and can't find it on their site although
> there are lots of flood damaged and other cars there, i.e. Ferraris
> and
> Maseratis, etc, in small numbers.
> Supposedly the value on the car was said to be
> "$10,000". However, all the cars on the site are up for bid with a
> few "drivers" also available for a "buy it now" price. Finally, it
> seems that you have to register and pay a fee before you can bid.
> However, if you're keen for a "deal", then perhaps
> calling the Baton Rouge Copart salvage yard might be advantageous.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> References
> 1. [37][2]http://www.copart.com/
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 23:24:17 +0000
> From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> To: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>, "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>
> Cc: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
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> Assuming no major rust issues - a flood Pantera should be a no-brainer, at the right price, for many Pantera owners. They take them all apart anyway - for fun - like Legos! LOL
>
>
> Speaking of flood water, near me I have seen big blobs of fire ants floating along. That's how they keep from drowning, so I've been told. ---BILL L
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 10:18 PM
> To: cengles at cox.net
> Cc: detomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
>
> So they scrap cars even if they are classics?
>
> That is criminal if they scrap that Pantera.
>
> Ed
>
> On Sep 06, 2016, at 04:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote:
>
> Dear Jeff,
>
> I thought that perhaps you might reply and I thought
> that you would have a pretty good idea about what is going on with
> these flood damaged sports cars. I am glad that you're OK.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:11 PM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>
> This car may not be for sale in Louisiana though loopholes are
> everywhere.
>
> Louisiana law states this and even more since this is a disaster area.
>
> Basically when the insurance totaled paid off and flooded car is free
> of its
> owner,
> it must be scrapped.
>
> Very sad to leave from after I spent weekend transporting people from
> flood waters to going to
> Monterey week and then back to this. I have one customer who lost 12
> hot rods. I was lucky!
>
> Most dealers do not have used cars to sell and rent cars are coming in
> from five states away!
>
> Most did not have insurance because this never should ave happened at
> all!
>
> Two of my mechanics have been paid $22,000.each by FEMA within three
> days so far for the three feet
>
> of water in their homes.
>
> I felt wrong, guilty, confused, bad and sad leaving the next day but
> with my medical condition I could
> not go in butt deepwater
> full of feces, garbage and diesel/ gasoline fuels floating on top to
> help my friends.
>
> Enjoyed seeing and talking with you deTomaso guys and gals out in the
> dry world.
>
> Quack quack.
>
> Jeff Cobb
>
> Baton Rouge, La.
>
> 225-907-4514
>
> Bordinat Mangusta
>
> -------------------------Newspaper article--------9/1/16-------------
>
> As of Wednesday, State Farm -- just one of the insurers that serves car
> owners in the area
> -- had received
> almost 18,000 auto claims related to flooding.
>
> That number was more than double the number of homeowner claims the
> company had received, spokesman
> Roszell Gadsen said.
>
> With such a large volume, towing companies have been stretched to the
> limit.
>
> aWeave been working around the clock,a said Ronnie
> Stewart,
> of Stewartas Towing in
> Livingston Parish.
>
> aItas been hectic and crazy,a Stewart said. He estimated that his
> company, a small one with four
> trucks, had towed more than
> 300 cars since the waters receded.
>
> There were still plenty more left to be towed.
>
> aWe probably havenat put a dent in all the cars thatas flooded,a he
> said.
>
> In East Baton Rouge Parish, the woman who answered the phone at
> Roadrunner Towing said there were
> no words to describe how busy it had been. Roadrunner, which has
> contracts with several local police
> agencies, had towed more than 700 vehicles by midweek.
>
> Most of the cars are being taken to private towers' yards or large auto
> salvage yards like Insurance Auto
> Auctions in Livingston or Copart in Greenwell Springs.
>
> Jeanene OaBrien, of Insurance Auto Auctions, said the company is
> handling athousands of cars per day.a
>
> A caras trip to one of these yards will be the first leg of its journey
> to the compactor or the junkyard.
>
> When a flood-damaged car arrives at Insurance Auto Auctionsa yard in
> Livingston,
> for example, the vehicle identification number is
> registered with both
> the
> National Insurance Crime Bureau and the National Motor
> Vehicle Title Information System.
>
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> People whose flood-damaged homes and vehicles weren't covered by flood
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>
> The state's Office of Motor Vehicles also will issue a certificate of
> destruction for any
> car that is
> totaled because of a gubernatorially declared disaster. The certificate
> is reported to those
> same national databases as a "fatal brand," or one that should prevent
> the car from being sold for
> anything besides parts or scrap.
>
> Insurance Auto Auctions sells only to licensed dealers, scrappers or
> dismantlers, OaBrien
> said. Members of the
> public cannot purchase cars from the company's lots in Louisiana.
>
> The process has improved since Hurricane Katrina, when thousands of
> destroyed cars remained
> under highway overpasses for months, said Jill Jarreau, of the OMV.
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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Charles Engles < [36]cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
> An insurance adjustor friend of a Pantera friend
> told
>
> him that this Pantera is flooded and has been totaled and is
> available
>
> with a salvage title in Baton Rouge.
>
> It appears to be pretty stock. One picture I did
> not
>
> include shows the tub with a space saver spare plus the red inflator.
>
> The pictures seem to show a high water mark above the window sills.
>
> It seems that this car is *supposed* to be available
>
> for online auction through: [1]http://www.copart.com I have tried
>
> searching for it three times and can't find it on their site although
>
> there are lots of flood damaged and other cars there, i.e. Ferraris
> and
>
> Maseratis, etc, in small numbers.
>
> Supposedly the value on the car was said to be
>
> "$10,000". However, all the cars on the site are up for bid with a
>
> few "drivers" also available for a "buy it now" price. Finally, it
>
> seems that you have to register and pay a fee before you can bid.
>
> However, if you're keen for a "deal", then perhaps
>
> calling the Baton Rouge Copart salvage yard might be advantageous.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> References
>
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> Assuming no major rust issues - a flood Pantera should be a no-brainer,
> at the right price, for many Pantera owners. They take them all apart
> anyway - for fun - like Legos! LOL
>
> Speaking of flood water, near me I have seen big blobs of fire ants
> floating along. That's how they keep from drowning, so I've been told.
> ---BILL L
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 10:18 PM
> To: cengles at cox.net
> Cc: detomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
>
> So they scrap cars even if they are classics?
> That is criminal if they scrap that Pantera.
> Ed
> On Sep 06, 2016, at 04:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote:
> Dear Jeff,
> I thought that perhaps you might reply and I thought
> that you would have a pretty good idea about what is going on with
> these flood damaged sports cars. I am glad that you're OK.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:11 PM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> Chuck,
> This car may not be for sale in Louisiana though loopholes are
> everywhere.
> Louisiana law states this and even more since this is a disaster area.
> Basically when the insurance totaled paid off and flooded car is free
> of its
> owner,
> it must be scrapped.
> Very sad to leave from after I spent weekend transporting people from
> flood waters to going to
> Monterey week and then back to this. I have one customer who lost 12
> hot rods. I was lucky!
> Most dealers do not have used cars to sell and rent cars are coming in
> from five states away!
> Most did not have insurance because this never should ave happened at
> all!
> Two of my mechanics have been paid $22,000.each by FEMA within three
> days so far for the three feet
> of water in their homes.
> I felt wrong, guilty, confused, bad and sad leaving the next day but
> with my medical condition I could
> not go in butt deepwater
> full of feces, garbage and diesel/ gasoline fuels floating on top to
> help my friends.
> Enjoyed seeing and talking with you deTomaso guys and gals out in the
> dry world.
> Quack quack.
> Jeff Cobb
> Baton Rouge, La.
> 225-907-4514
> Bordinat Mangusta
> -------------------------Newspaper article--------9/1/16-------------
> As of Wednesday, State Farm -- just one of the insurers that serves car
> owners in the area
> -- had received
> almost 18,000 auto claims related to flooding.
> That number was more than double the number of homeowner claims the
> company had received, spokesman
> Roszell Gadsen said.
> With such a large volume, towing companies have been stretched to the
> limit.
> aWeave been working around the clock,a said Ronnie
> Stewart,
> of Stewartas Towing in
> Livingston Parish.
> aItas been hectic and crazy,a Stewart said. He estimated that his
> company, a small one with four
> trucks, had towed more than
> 300 cars since the waters receded.
> There were still plenty more left to be towed.
> aWe probably havenat put a dent in all the cars thatas flooded,a he
> said.
> In East Baton Rouge Parish, the woman who answered the phone at
> Roadrunner Towing said there were
> no words to describe how busy it had been. Roadrunner, which has
> contracts with several local police
> agencies, had towed more than 700 vehicles by midweek.
> Most of the cars are being taken to private towers' yards or large auto
> salvage yards like Insurance Auto
> Auctions in Livingston or Copart in Greenwell Springs.
> Jeanene OaBrien, of Insurance Auto Auctions, said the company is
> handling athousands of cars per day.a
> A caras trip to one of these yards will be the first leg of its journey
> to the compactor or the junkyard.
> When a flood-damaged car arrives at Insurance Auto Auctionsa yard in
> Livingston,
> for example, the vehicle identification number is
> registered with both
> the
> National Insurance Crime Bureau and the National Motor
> Vehicle Title Information System.
> RELATED [1]Why you may not need to file an insurance claim before
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> People whose flood-damaged homes and vehicles weren't covered by flood
> insurance or with coma|
> The state's Office of Motor Vehicles also will issue a certificate of
> destruction for any
> car that is
> totaled because of a gubernatorially declared disaster. The certificate
> is reported to those
> same national databases as a "fatal brand," or one that should prevent
> the car from being sold for
> anything besides parts or scrap.
> Insurance Auto Auctions sells only to licensed dealers, scrappers or
> dismantlers, OaBrien
> said. Members of the
> public cannot purchase cars from the company's lots in Louisiana.
> The process has improved since Hurricane Katrina, when thousands of
> destroyed cars remained
> under highway overpasses for months, said Jill Jarreau, of the OMV.
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> The department issued the bulletin following the federal declaration of
> disaster due to the recent [18]massive flooding in Southeast
> Louisiana.
> A Certificate of Destruction is a type of title for water damaged
> vehicle that has been declared a total loss.
> The department said that when, as a result of an insurance settlement,
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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Charles Engles < [36]cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
> Dear Forum,
> An insurance adjustor friend of a Pantera friend
> told
> him that this Pantera is flooded and has been totaled and is
> available
> with a salvage title in Baton Rouge.
> It appears to be pretty stock. One picture I did
> not
> include shows the tub with a space saver spare plus the red inflator.
> The pictures seem to show a high water mark above the window sills.
> It seems that this car is *supposed* to be available
> for online auction through: [1]http://www.copart.com I have tried
> searching for it three times and can't find it on their site although
> there are lots of flood damaged and other cars there, i.e. Ferraris
> and
> Maseratis, etc, in small numbers.
> Supposedly the value on the car was said to be
> "$10,000". However, all the cars on the site are up for bid with a
> few "drivers" also available for a "buy it now" price. Finally, it
> seems that you have to register and pay a fee before you can bid.
> However, if you're keen for a "deal", then perhaps
> calling the Baton Rouge Copart salvage yard might be advantageous.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 16:32:51 -0700
> From: Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
> To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Another Scirocco for Mike Drew?
> Message-ID: <BAY405-EAS527A49B79AD93A3B7D3881BAF90 at phx.gbl>
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> All, saw this (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-vw-scirocco-mk-ii/) on BaT and thought of Mike.? Mike ? you can?t have enough of these : )??? There is also a yellow 72 currently on BaT with shaved side markers and door handles.?? Nice looking? car.?? Mike R.
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> All, saw this
> (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-vw-scirocco-mk-ii/) on BaT and
> thought of Mike. Mike - you can't have enough of these : ) There is
> also a yellow 72 currently on BaT with shaved side markers and door
> handles. Nice looking car. Mike R.
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 19:27:01 -0500
> From: "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
> To: "'Ed Mendez'" <edducati at mac.com>
> Cc: 'detomaso' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
> Message-ID: <004701d2089e$8d8e1680$a8aa4380$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Dear Ed,
>
>
>
>
>
> I am no expert with this topic and I suspect that Jeff Cobb knows far more about these things than I do, but the deal is that the insurance company has paid the Pantera for his claim. They now have , I think, salvage title to the Pantera. The insurance company wants to make money and/or minimize their loss on the claim so they are interested in selling it for whatever it will bring through Copart, who, I suspect, will get a cut of the action. So, IF I understand the situation the Pantera won?t be scrapped, but it will have it?s title marked SALVAGE or the Louisiana equivalent.
>
>
>
> So, assuming that you bought the Pantera, it would be all ready to be parted out. It would be difficult to restore it and then try to sell it with a Salvage Title, AFAIK.
>
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ed Mendez [mailto:edducati at mac.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:19 PM
> To: cengles at cox.net
> Cc: jeffcobb1 at me.com; detomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
>
>
>
> So they scrap cars even if they are classics?
>
>
>
> That is criminal if they scrap that Pantera.
>
>
>
> Ed
>
>
> On Sep 06, 2016, at 04:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote:
>
> Dear Jeff,
>
> I thought that perhaps you might reply and I thought
> that you would have a pretty good idea about what is going on with
> these flood damaged sports cars. I am glad that you're OK.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:11 PM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>
> This car may not be for sale in Louisiana though loopholes are
> everywhere.
>
> Louisiana law states this and even more since this is a disaster area.
>
> Basically when the insurance totaled paid off and flooded car is free
> of its
> owner,
> it must be scrapped.
>
> Very sad to leave from after I spent weekend transporting people from
> flood waters to going to
> Monterey week and then back to this. I have one customer who lost 12
> hot rods. I was lucky!
>
> Most dealers do not have used cars to sell and rent cars are coming in
> from five states away!
>
> Most did not have insurance because this never should ave happened at
> all!
>
> Two of my mechanics have been paid $22,000.each by FEMA within three
> days so far for the three feet
>
> of water in their homes.
>
> I felt wrong, guilty, confused, bad and sad leaving the next day but
> with my medical condition I could
> not go in butt deepwater
> full of feces, garbage and diesel/ gasoline fuels floating on top to
> help my friends.
>
> Enjoyed seeing and talking with you deTomaso guys and gals out in the
> dry world.
>
> Quack quack.
>
> Jeff Cobb
>
> Baton Rouge, La.
>
> 225-907-4514
>
> Bordinat Mangusta
>
> -------------------------Newspaper article--------9/1/16-------------
>
> As of Wednesday, State Farm -- just one of the insurers that serves car
> owners in the area
> -- had received
> almost 18,000 auto claims related to flooding.
>
> That number was more than double the number of homeowner claims the
> company had received, spokesman
> Roszell Gadsen said.
>
> With such a large volume, towing companies have been stretched to the
> limit.
>
> aWeave been working around the clock,a said Ronnie
> Stewart,
> of Stewartas Towing in
> Livingston Parish.
>
> aItas been hectic and crazy,a Stewart said. He estimated that his
> company, a small one with four
> trucks, had towed more than
> 300 cars since the waters receded.
>
> There were still plenty more left to be towed.
>
> aWe probably havenat put a dent in all the cars thatas flooded,a he
> said.
>
> In East Baton Rouge Parish, the woman who answered the phone at
> Roadrunner Towing said there were
> no words to describe how busy it had been. Roadrunner, which has
> contracts with several local police
> agencies, had towed more than 700 vehicles by midweek.
>
> Most of the cars are being taken to private towers' yards or large auto
> salvage yards like Insurance Auto
> Auctions in Livingston or Copart in Greenwell Springs.
>
> Jeanene OaBrien, of Insurance Auto Auctions, said the company is
> handling athousands of cars per day.a
>
> A caras trip to one of these yards will be the first leg of its journey
> to the compactor or the junkyard.
>
> When a flood-damaged car arrives at Insurance Auto Auctionsa yard in
> Livingston,
> for example, the vehicle identification number is
> registered with both
> the
> National Insurance Crime Bureau and the National Motor
> Vehicle Title Information System.
>
> RELATED [1]Why you may not need to file an insurance claim before
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>
> People whose flood-damaged homes and vehicles weren't covered by flood
> insurance or with coma|
>
>
>
> The state's Office of Motor Vehicles also will issue a certificate of
> destruction for any
> car that is
> totaled because of a gubernatorially declared disaster. The certificate
> is reported to those
> same national databases as a "fatal brand," or one that should prevent
> the car from being sold for
> anything besides parts or scrap.
>
> Insurance Auto Auctions sells only to licensed dealers, scrappers or
> dismantlers, OaBrien
> said. Members of the
> public cannot purchase cars from the company's lots in Louisiana.
>
> The process has improved since Hurricane Katrina, when thousands of
> destroyed cars remained
> under highway overpasses for months, said Jill Jarreau, of the OMV.
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>
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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Charles Engles < [36]cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
> An insurance adjustor friend of a Pantera friend
> told
>
> him that this Pantera is flooded and has been totaled and is
> available
>
> with a salvage title in Baton Rouge.
>
> It appears to be pretty stock. One picture I did
> not
>
> include shows the tub with a space saver spare plus the red inflator.
>
> The pictures seem to show a high water mark above the window sills.
>
> It seems that this car is *supposed* to be available
>
> for online auction through: [1]http://www.copart.com I have tried
>
> searching for it three times and can't find it on their site although
>
> there are lots of flood damaged and other cars there, i.e. Ferraris
> and
>
> Maseratis, etc, in small numbers.
>
> Supposedly the value on the car was said to be
>
> "$10,000". However, all the cars on the site are up for bid with a
>
> few "drivers" also available for a "buy it now" price. Finally, it
>
> seems that you have to register and pay a fee before you can bid.
>
> However, if you're keen for a "deal", then perhaps
>
> calling the Baton Rouge Copart salvage yard might be advantageous.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> References
>
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> Dear Ed,
>
>
>
> I am no expert with this topic and I suspect that
> Jeff Cobb knows far more about these things than I do, but the deal is
> that the insurance company has paid the Pantera for his claim. They
> now have , I think, salvage title to the Pantera. The insurance
> company wants to make money and/or minimize their loss on the claim so
> they are interested in selling it for whatever it will bring through
> Copart, who, I suspect, will get a cut of the action. So, IF I
> understand the situation the Pantera won't be scrapped, but it will
> have it's title marked SALVAGE or the Louisiana equivalent.
>
>
> So, assuming that you bought the Pantera, it would be
> all ready to be parted out. It would be difficult to restore it and
> then try to sell it with a Salvage Title, AFAIK.
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ed Mendez [mailto:edducati at mac.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:19 PM
> To: cengles at cox.net
> Cc: jeffcobb1 at me.com; detomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
>
>
> So they scrap cars even if they are classics?
>
>
> That is criminal if they scrap that Pantera.
>
>
> Ed
>
> On Sep 06, 2016, at 04:51 AM, [1]cengles at cox.net wrote:
>
> Dear Jeff,
> I thought that perhaps you might reply and I thought
> that you would have a pretty good idea about what is going on with
> these flood damaged sports cars. I am glad that you're OK.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:11 PM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> Chuck,
> This car may not be for sale in Louisiana though loopholes are
> everywhere.
> Louisiana law states this and even more since this is a disaster area.
> Basically when the insurance totaled paid off and flooded car is free
> of its
> owner,
> it must be scrapped.
> Very sad to leave from after I spent weekend transporting people from
> flood waters to going to
> Monterey week and then back to this. I have one customer who lost 12
> hot rods. I was lucky!
> Most dealers do not have used cars to sell and rent cars are coming in
> from five states away!
> Most did not have insurance because this never should ave happened at
> all!
> Two of my mechanics have been paid $22,000.each by FEMA within three
> days so far for the three feet
> of water in their homes.
> I felt wrong, guilty, confused, bad and sad leaving the next day but
> with my medical condition I could
> not go in butt deepwater
> full of feces, garbage and diesel/ gasoline fuels floating on top to
> help my friends.
> Enjoyed seeing and talking with you deTomaso guys and gals out in the
> dry world.
> Quack quack.
> Jeff Cobb
> Baton Rouge, La.
> 225-907-4514
> Bordinat Mangusta
> -------------------------Newspaper article--------9/1/16-------------
> As of Wednesday, State Farm -- just one of the insurers that serves car
> owners in the area
> -- had received
> almost 18,000 auto claims related to flooding.
> That number was more than double the number of homeowner claims the
> company had received, spokesman
> Roszell Gadsen said.
> With such a large volume, towing companies have been stretched to the
> limit.
> aWeave been working around the clock,a said Ronnie
> Stewart,
> of Stewartas Towing in
> Livingston Parish.
> aItas been hectic and crazy,a Stewart said. He estimated that his
> company, a small one with four
> trucks, had towed more than
> 300 cars since the waters receded.
> There were still plenty more left to be towed.
> aWe probably havenat put a dent in all the cars thatas flooded,a he
> said.
> In East Baton Rouge Parish, the woman who answered the phone at
> Roadrunner Towing said there were
> no words to describe how busy it had been. Roadrunner, which has
> contracts with several local police
> agencies, had towed more than 700 vehicles by midweek.
> Most of the cars are being taken to private towers' yards or large auto
> salvage yards like Insurance Auto
> Auctions in Livingston or Copart in Greenwell Springs.
> Jeanene OaBrien, of Insurance Auto Auctions, said the company is
> handling athousands of cars per day.a
> A caras trip to one of these yards will be the first leg of its journey
> to the compactor or the junkyard.
> When a flood-damaged car arrives at Insurance Auto Auctionsa yard in
> Livingston,
> for example, the vehicle identification number is
> registered with both
> the
> National Insurance Crime Bureau and the National Motor
> Vehicle Title Information System.
> RELATED [1]Why you may not need to file an insurance claim before
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> People whose flood-damaged homes and vehicles weren't covered by flood
> insurance or with coma|
> The state's Office of Motor Vehicles also will issue a certificate of
> destruction for any
> car that is
> totaled because of a gubernatorially declared disaster. The certificate
> is reported to those
> same national databases as a "fatal brand," or one that should prevent
> the car from being sold for
> anything besides parts or scrap.
> Insurance Auto Auctions sells only to licensed dealers, scrappers or
> dismantlers, OaBrien
> said. Members of the
> public cannot purchase cars from the company's lots in Louisiana.
> The process has improved since Hurricane Katrina, when thousands of
> destroyed cars remained
> under highway overpasses for months, said Jill Jarreau, of the OMV.
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> The department issued the bulletin following the federal declaration of
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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Charles Engles < [36][2]cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
> Dear Forum,
> An insurance adjustor friend of a Pantera friend
> told
> him that this Pantera is flooded and has been totaled and is
> available
> with a salvage title in Baton Rouge.
> It appears to be pretty stock. One picture I did
> not
> include shows the tub with a space saver spare plus the red inflator.
> The pictures seem to show a high water mark above the window sills.
> It seems that this car is *supposed* to be available
> for online auction through: [1][3]http://www.copart.com I have tried
> searching for it three times and can't find it on their site although
> there are lots of flood damaged and other cars there, i.e. Ferraris
> and
> Maseratis, etc, in small numbers.
> Supposedly the value on the car was said to be
> "$10,000". However, all the cars on the site are up for bid with a
> few "drivers" also available for a "buy it now" price. Finally, it
> seems that you have to register and pay a fee before you can bid.
> However, if you're keen for a "deal", then perhaps
> calling the Baton Rouge Copart salvage yard might be advantageous.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 14:35:59 -1000
> From: "Scott Mead Photography" <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
> To: "'Charles Engles'" <cengles at cox.net>, "'Ed Mendez'"
> <edducati at mac.com>
> Cc: 'detomaso' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
> Message-ID: <04db01d2089f$ced6eda0$6c84c8e0$@scottmeadphotography.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Excellent points, Chuck. However, this car would be the perfect race car candidate: It would more than likely be fully gutted anyway, and once completed, would render a salvage title a moot point. If only there were a road course that didn't require a swim to get there, I'd consider the car.
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 2:27 PM
> To: 'Ed Mendez'
> Cc: 'detomaso'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
>
> Dear Ed,
>
>
>
>
>
> I am no expert with this topic and I suspect that Jeff Cobb knows far more about these things than I do, but the deal is that the insurance company has paid the Pantera for his claim. They now have , I think, salvage title to the Pantera. The insurance company wants to make money and/or minimize their loss on the claim so they are interested in selling it for whatever it will bring through Copart, who, I suspect, will get a cut of the action. So, IF I understand the situation the Pantera won?t be scrapped, but it will have it?s title marked SALVAGE or the Louisiana equivalent.
>
>
>
> So, assuming that you bought the Pantera, it would be all ready to be parted out. It would be difficult to restore it and then try to sell it with a Salvage Title, AFAIK.
>
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ed Mendez [mailto:edducati at mac.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:19 PM
> To: cengles at cox.net
> Cc: jeffcobb1 at me.com; detomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
>
>
>
> So they scrap cars even if they are classics?
>
>
>
> That is criminal if they scrap that Pantera.
>
>
>
> Ed
>
>
> On Sep 06, 2016, at 04:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote:
>
> Dear Jeff,
>
> I thought that perhaps you might reply and I thought that you would have a pretty good idea about what is going on with these flood damaged sports cars. I am glad that you're OK.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:11 PM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>
> This car may not be for sale in Louisiana though loopholes are everywhere.
>
> Louisiana law states this and even more since this is a disaster area.
>
> Basically when the insurance totaled paid off and flooded car is free of its owner, it must be scrapped.
>
> Very sad to leave from after I spent weekend transporting people from flood waters to going to Monterey week and then back to this. I have one customer who lost 12 hot rods. I was lucky!
>
> Most dealers do not have used cars to sell and rent cars are coming in from five states away!
>
> Most did not have insurance because this never should ave happened at all!
>
> Two of my mechanics have been paid $22,000.each by FEMA within three days so far for the three feet
>
> of water in their homes.
>
> I felt wrong, guilty, confused, bad and sad leaving the next day but with my medical condition I could not go in butt deepwater full of feces, garbage and diesel/ gasoline fuels floating on top to help my friends.
>
> Enjoyed seeing and talking with you deTomaso guys and gals out in the dry world.
>
> Quack quack.
>
> Jeff Cobb
>
> Baton Rouge, La.
>
> 225-907-4514
>
> Bordinat Mangusta
>
> -------------------------Newspaper article--------9/1/16-------------
>
> As of Wednesday, State Farm -- just one of the insurers that serves car owners in the area
> -- had received
> almost 18,000 auto claims related to flooding.
>
> That number was more than double the number of homeowner claims the company had received, spokesman Roszell Gadsen said.
>
> With such a large volume, towing companies have been stretched to the limit.
>
> aWeave been working around the clock,a said Ronnie Stewart, of Stewartas Towing in Livingston Parish.
>
> aItas been hectic and crazy,a Stewart said. He estimated that his company, a small one with four trucks, had towed more than
> 300 cars since the waters receded.
>
> There were still plenty more left to be towed.
>
> aWe probably havenat put a dent in all the cars thatas flooded,a he said.
>
> In East Baton Rouge Parish, the woman who answered the phone at Roadrunner Towing said there were no words to describe how busy it had been. Roadrunner, which has contracts with several local police agencies, had towed more than 700 vehicles by midweek.
>
> Most of the cars are being taken to private towers' yards or large auto salvage yards like Insurance Auto Auctions in Livingston or Copart in Greenwell Springs.
>
> Jeanene OaBrien, of Insurance Auto Auctions, said the company is handling athousands of cars per day.a
>
> A caras trip to one of these yards will be the first leg of its journey to the compactor or the junkyard.
>
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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Charles Engles < [36]cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
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> Dear Forum,
>
> An insurance adjustor friend of a Pantera friend told
>
> him that this Pantera is flooded and has been totaled and is available
>
> with a salvage title in Baton Rouge.
>
> It appears to be pretty stock. One picture I did not
>
> include shows the tub with a space saver spare plus the red inflator.
>
> The pictures seem to show a high water mark above the window sills.
>
> It seems that this car is *supposed* to be available
>
> for online auction through: [1]http://www.copart.com I have tried
>
> searching for it three times and can't find it on their site although
>
> there are lots of flood damaged and other cars there, i.e. Ferraris and
>
> Maseratis, etc, in small numbers.
>
> Supposedly the value on the car was said to be
>
> "$10,000". However, all the cars on the site are up for bid with a
>
> few "drivers" also available for a "buy it now" price. Finally, it
>
> seems that you have to register and pay a fee before you can bid.
>
> However, if you're keen for a "deal", then perhaps
>
> calling the Baton Rouge Copart salvage yard might be advantageous.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 19:41:59 -0500
> From: "Jim Gray" <grayjim at cox.net>
> To: "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>, "'Ed Mendez'"
> <edducati at mac.com>
> Cc: 'detomaso' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
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>> From what I understand a title can be "scrubbed" sometimes as easily as
> retitling it in another state, or so I've been told.
> Jim Gray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Engles
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 7:27 PM
> To: 'Ed Mendez'
> Cc: 'detomaso'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
>
> Dear Ed,
>
>
>
>
>
> I am no expert with this topic and I suspect that Jeff
> Cobb knows far more about these things than I do, but the deal is that the
> insurance company has paid the Pantera for his claim. They now have , I
> think, salvage title to the Pantera. The insurance company wants to make
> money and/or minimize their loss on the claim so they are interested in
> selling it for whatever it will bring through Copart, who, I suspect, will
> get a cut of the action. So, IF I understand the situation the Pantera won?t
> be scrapped, but it will have it?s title marked SALVAGE or the Louisiana
> equivalent.
>
>
>
> So, assuming that you bought the Pantera, it would be all
> ready to be parted out. It would be difficult to restore it and then try
> to sell it with a Salvage Title, AFAIK.
>
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ed Mendez [mailto:edducati at mac.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:19 PM
> To: cengles at cox.net
> Cc: jeffcobb1 at me.com; detomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
>
>
>
> So they scrap cars even if they are classics?
>
>
>
> That is criminal if they scrap that Pantera.
>
>
>
> Ed
>
>
> On Sep 06, 2016, at 04:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote:
>
> Dear Jeff,
>
> I thought that perhaps you might reply and I thought
> that you would have a pretty good idea about what is going on with
> these flood damaged sports cars. I am glad that you're OK.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:11 PM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>
> This car may not be for sale in Louisiana though loopholes are
> everywhere.
>
> Louisiana law states this and even more since this is a disaster area.
>
> Basically when the insurance totaled paid off and flooded car is free
> of its
> owner,
> it must be scrapped.
>
> Very sad to leave from after I spent weekend transporting people from
> flood waters to going to
> Monterey week and then back to this. I have one customer who lost 12
> hot rods. I was lucky!
>
> Most dealers do not have used cars to sell and rent cars are coming in
> from five states away!
>
> Most did not have insurance because this never should ave happened at
> all!
>
> Two of my mechanics have been paid $22,000.each by FEMA within three
> days so far for the three feet
>
> of water in their homes.
>
> I felt wrong, guilty, confused, bad and sad leaving the next day but
> with my medical condition I could
> not go in butt deepwater
> full of feces, garbage and diesel/ gasoline fuels floating on top to
> help my friends.
>
> Enjoyed seeing and talking with you deTomaso guys and gals out in the
> dry world.
>
> Quack quack.
>
> Jeff Cobb
>
> Baton Rouge, La.
>
> 225-907-4514
>
> Bordinat Mangusta
>
> -------------------------Newspaper article--------9/1/16-------------
>
> As of Wednesday, State Farm -- just one of the insurers that serves car
> owners in the area
> -- had received
> almost 18,000 auto claims related to flooding.
>
> That number was more than double the number of homeowner claims the
> company had received, spokesman
> Roszell Gadsen said.
>
> With such a large volume, towing companies have been stretched to the
> limit.
>
> aWeave been working around the clock,a said Ronnie
> Stewart,
> of Stewartas Towing in
> Livingston Parish.
>
> aItas been hectic and crazy,a Stewart said. He estimated that his
> company, a small one with four
> trucks, had towed more than
> 300 cars since the waters receded.
>
> There were still plenty more left to be towed.
>
> aWe probably havenat put a dent in all the cars thatas flooded,a he
> said.
>
> In East Baton Rouge Parish, the woman who answered the phone at
> Roadrunner Towing said there were
> no words to describe how busy it had been. Roadrunner, which has
> contracts with several local police
> agencies, had towed more than 700 vehicles by midweek.
>
> Most of the cars are being taken to private towers' yards or large auto
> salvage yards like Insurance Auto
> Auctions in Livingston or Copart in Greenwell Springs.
>
> Jeanene OaBrien, of Insurance Auto Auctions, said the company is
> handling athousands of cars per day.a
>
> A caras trip to one of these yards will be the first leg of its journey
> to the compactor or the junkyard.
>
> When a flood-damaged car arrives at Insurance Auto Auctionsa yard in
> Livingston,
> for example, the vehicle identification number is
> registered with both
> the
> National Insurance Crime Bureau and the National Motor
> Vehicle Title Information System.
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>
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> dismantlers, OaBrien
> said. Members of the
> public cannot purchase cars from the company's lots in Louisiana.
>
> The process has improved since Hurricane Katrina, when thousands of
> destroyed cars remained
> under highway overpasses for months, said Jill Jarreau, of the OMV.
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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Charles Engles < [36]cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
> An insurance adjustor friend of a Pantera friend
> told
>
> him that this Pantera is flooded and has been totaled and is
> available
>
> with a salvage title in Baton Rouge.
>
> It appears to be pretty stock. One picture I did
> not
>
> include shows the tub with a space saver spare plus the red inflator.
>
> The pictures seem to show a high water mark above the window sills.
>
> It seems that this car is *supposed* to be available
>
> for online auction through: [1]http://www.copart.com I have tried
>
> searching for it three times and can't find it on their site although
>
> there are lots of flood damaged and other cars there, i.e. Ferraris
> and
>
> Maseratis, etc, in small numbers.
>
> Supposedly the value on the car was said to be
>
> "$10,000". However, all the cars on the site are up for bid with a
>
> few "drivers" also available for a "buy it now" price. Finally, it
>
> seems that you have to register and pay a fee before you can bid.
>
> However, if you're keen for a "deal", then perhaps
>
> calling the Baton Rouge Copart salvage yard might be advantageous.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> References
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 02:10:34 +0000
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: Jim Gray <grayjim at cox.net>, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>, 'Ed
> Mendez' <edducati at mac.com>
> Cc: 'detomaso' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
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> Yes some states don't issue a "rebuilt" title, so the salvage title effectively gets 'washed' if you rebuild and title in that state. In NV a salvage title can be exchanged for a rebuilt title by going through some approved inspections at DMV and an authorized repair center.
>
>
> You cannot sell a NV salvage title vehicle you must rebuild and get a rebut title prior to sale. I'm sure the sharks know which states are favorable!
>
>
> Julian
>
> ________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Jim Gray <grayjim at cox.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:41 PM
> To: Charles Engles; 'Ed Mendez'
> Cc: 'detomaso'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
>
>> From what I understand a title can be "scrubbed" sometimes as easily as
> retitling it in another state, or so I've been told.
> Jim Gray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Engles
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 7:27 PM
> To: 'Ed Mendez'
> Cc: 'detomaso'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
>
> Dear Ed,
>
>
>
>
>
> I am no expert with this topic and I suspect that Jeff
> Cobb knows far more about these things than I do, but the deal is that the
> insurance company has paid the Pantera for his claim. They now have , I
> think, salvage title to the Pantera. The insurance company wants to make
> money and/or minimize their loss on the claim so they are interested in
> selling it for whatever it will bring through Copart, who, I suspect, will
> get a cut of the action. So, IF I understand the situation the Pantera won?t
> be scrapped, but it will have it?s title marked SALVAGE or the Louisiana
> equivalent.
>
>
>
> So, assuming that you bought the Pantera, it would be all
> ready to be parted out. It would be difficult to restore it and then try
> to sell it with a Salvage Title, AFAIK.
>
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ed Mendez [mailto:edducati at mac.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:19 PM
> To: cengles at cox.net
> Cc: jeffcobb1 at me.com; detomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
>
>
>
> So they scrap cars even if they are classics?
>
>
>
> That is criminal if they scrap that Pantera.
>
>
>
> Ed
>
>
> On Sep 06, 2016, at 04:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote:
>
> Dear Jeff,
>
> I thought that perhaps you might reply and I thought
> that you would have a pretty good idea about what is going on with
> these flood damaged sports cars. I am glad that you're OK.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:11 PM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>
> This car may not be for sale in Louisiana though loopholes are
> everywhere.
>
> Louisiana law states this and even more since this is a disaster area.
>
> Basically when the insurance totaled paid off and flooded car is free
> of its
> owner,
> it must be scrapped.
>
> Very sad to leave from after I spent weekend transporting people from
> flood waters to going to
> Monterey week and then back to this. I have one customer who lost 12
> hot rods. I was lucky!
>
> Most dealers do not have used cars to sell and rent cars are coming in
> from five states away!
>
> Most did not have insurance because this never should ave happened at
> all!
>
> Two of my mechanics have been paid $22,000.each by FEMA within three
> days so far for the three feet
>
> of water in their homes.
>
> I felt wrong, guilty, confused, bad and sad leaving the next day but
> with my medical condition I could
> not go in butt deepwater
> full of feces, garbage and diesel/ gasoline fuels floating on top to
> help my friends.
>
> Enjoyed seeing and talking with you deTomaso guys and gals out in the
> dry world.
>
> Quack quack.
>
> Jeff Cobb
>
> Baton Rouge, La.
>
> 225-907-4514
>
> Bordinat Mangusta
>
> -------------------------Newspaper article--------9/1/16-------------
>
> As of Wednesday, State Farm -- just one of the insurers that serves car
> owners in the area
> -- had received
> almost 18,000 auto claims related to flooding.
>
> That number was more than double the number of homeowner claims the
> company had received, spokesman
> Roszell Gadsen said.
>
> With such a large volume, towing companies have been stretched to the
> limit.
>
> aWeave been working around the clock,a said Ronnie
> Stewart,
> of Stewartas Towing in
> Livingston Parish.
>
> aItas been hectic and crazy,a Stewart said. He estimated that his
> company, a small one with four
> trucks, had towed more than
> 300 cars since the waters receded.
>
> There were still plenty more left to be towed.
>
> aWe probably havenat put a dent in all the cars thatas flooded,a he
> said.
>
> In East Baton Rouge Parish, the woman who answered the phone at
> Roadrunner Towing said there were
> no words to describe how busy it had been. Roadrunner, which has
> contracts with several local police
> agencies, had towed more than 700 vehicles by midweek.
>
> Most of the cars are being taken to private towers' yards or large auto
> salvage yards like Insurance Auto
> Auctions in Livingston or Copart in Greenwell Springs.
>
> Jeanene OaBrien, of Insurance Auto Auctions, said the company is
> handling athousands of cars per day.a
>
> A caras trip to one of these yards will be the first leg of its journey
> to the compactor or the junkyard.
>
> When a flood-damaged car arrives at Insurance Auto Auctionsa yard in
> Livingston,
> for example, the vehicle identification number is
> registered with both
> the
> National Insurance Crime Bureau and the National Motor
> Vehicle Title Information System.
>
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>
> The state's Office of Motor Vehicles also will issue a certificate of
> destruction for any
> car that is
> totaled because of a gubernatorially declared disaster. The certificate
> is reported to those
> same national databases as a "fatal brand," or one that should prevent
> the car from being sold for
> anything besides parts or scrap.
>
> Insurance Auto Auctions sells only to licensed dealers, scrappers or
> dismantlers, OaBrien
> said. Members of the
> public cannot purchase cars from the company's lots in Louisiana.
>
> The process has improved since Hurricane Katrina, when thousands of
> destroyed cars remained
> under highway overpasses for months, said Jill Jarreau, of the OMV.
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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Charles Engles < [36]cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
> An insurance adjustor friend of a Pantera friend
> told
>
> him that this Pantera is flooded and has been totaled and is
> available
>
> with a salvage title in Baton Rouge.
>
> It appears to be pretty stock. One picture I did
> not
>
> include shows the tub with a space saver spare plus the red inflator.
>
> The pictures seem to show a high water mark above the window sills.
>
> It seems that this car is *supposed* to be available
>
> for online auction through: [1]http://www.copart.com I have tried
>
> searching for it three times and can't find it on their site although
>
> there are lots of flood damaged and other cars there, i.e. Ferraris
> and
>
> Maseratis, etc, in small numbers.
>
> Supposedly the value on the car was said to be
>
> "$10,000". However, all the cars on the site are up for bid with a
>
> few "drivers" also available for a "buy it now" price. Finally, it
>
> seems that you have to register and pay a fee before you can bid.
>
> However, if you're keen for a "deal", then perhaps
>
> calling the Baton Rouge Copart salvage yard might be advantageous.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
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>
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> Yes some states don't issue a "rebuilt" title, so the salvage title
> effectively gets 'washed' if you rebuild and title in that state. In NV
> a salvage title can be exchanged for a rebuilt title by going through
> some approved inspections at DMV and an authorized repair center.
>
> You cannot sell a NV salvage title vehicle you must rebuild and get a
> rebut title prior to sale. I'm sure the sharks know which states are
> favorable!
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Jim Gray <grayjim at cox.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:41 PM
> To: Charles Engles; 'Ed Mendez'
> Cc: 'detomaso'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
>
> From what I understand a title can be "scrubbed" sometimes as easily as
> retitling it in another state, or so I've been told.
> Jim Gray
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Engles
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 7:27 PM
> To: 'Ed Mendez'
> Cc: 'detomaso'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
> Dear Ed,
> I am no expert with this topic and I suspect that
> Jeff
> Cobb knows far more about these things than I do, but the deal is that
> the
> insurance company has paid the Pantera for his claim. They now have ,
> I
> think, salvage title to the Pantera. The insurance company wants to
> make
> money and/or minimize their loss on the claim so they are interested in
> selling it for whatever it will bring through Copart, who, I suspect,
> will
> get a cut of the action. So, IF I understand the situation the Pantera
> won't
> be scrapped, but it will have it's title marked SALVAGE or the
> Louisiana
> equivalent.
> So, assuming that you bought the Pantera, it would be
> all
> ready to be parted out. It would be difficult to restore it and then
> try
> to sell it with a Salvage Title, AFAIK.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> From: Ed Mendez [[1]mailto:edducati at mac.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:19 PM
> To: cengles at cox.net
> Cc: jeffcobb1 at me.com; detomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
> So they scrap cars even if they are classics?
> That is criminal if they scrap that Pantera.
> Ed
> On Sep 06, 2016, at 04:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote:
> Dear Jeff,
> I thought that perhaps you might reply and I thought
> that you would have a pretty good idea about what is going on with
> these flood damaged sports cars. I am glad that you're OK.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:11 PM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> Chuck,
> This car may not be for sale in Louisiana though loopholes are
> everywhere.
> Louisiana law states this and even more since this is a disaster area.
> Basically when the insurance totaled paid off and flooded car is free
> of its
> owner,
> it must be scrapped.
> Very sad to leave from after I spent weekend transporting people from
> flood waters to going to
> Monterey week and then back to this. I have one customer who lost 12
> hot rods. I was lucky!
> Most dealers do not have used cars to sell and rent cars are coming in
> from five states away!
> Most did not have insurance because this never should ave happened at
> all!
> Two of my mechanics have been paid $22,000.each by FEMA within three
> days so far for the three feet
> of water in their homes.
> I felt wrong, guilty, confused, bad and sad leaving the next day but
> with my medical condition I could
> not go in butt deepwater
> full of feces, garbage and diesel/ gasoline fuels floating on top to
> help my friends.
> Enjoyed seeing and talking with you deTomaso guys and gals out in the
> dry world.
> Quack quack.
> Jeff Cobb
> Baton Rouge, La.
> 225-907-4514
> Bordinat Mangusta
> -------------------------Newspaper article--------9/1/16-------------
> As of Wednesday, State Farm -- just one of the insurers that serves car
> owners in the area
> -- had received
> almost 18,000 auto claims related to flooding.
> That number was more than double the number of homeowner claims the
> company had received, spokesman
> Roszell Gadsen said.
> With such a large volume, towing companies have been stretched to the
> limit.
> aWeave been working around the clock,a said Ronnie
> Stewart,
> of Stewartas Towing in
> Livingston Parish.
> aItas been hectic and crazy,a Stewart said. He estimated that his
> company, a small one with four
> trucks, had towed more than
> 300 cars since the waters receded.
> There were still plenty more left to be towed.
> aWe probably havenat put a dent in all the cars thatas flooded,a he
> said.
> In East Baton Rouge Parish, the woman who answered the phone at
> Roadrunner Towing said there were
> no words to describe how busy it had been. Roadrunner, which has
> contracts with several local police
> agencies, had towed more than 700 vehicles by midweek.
> Most of the cars are being taken to private towers' yards or large auto
> salvage yards like Insurance Auto
> Auctions in Livingston or Copart in Greenwell Springs.
> Jeanene OaBrien, of Insurance Auto Auctions, said the company is
> handling athousands of cars per day.a
> A caras trip to one of these yards will be the first leg of its journey
> to the compactor or the junkyard.
> When a flood-damaged car arrives at Insurance Auto Auctionsa yard in
> Livingston,
> for example, the vehicle identification number is
> registered with both
> the
> National Insurance Crime Bureau and the National Motor
> Vehicle Title Information System.
> RELATED [1]Why you may not need to file an insurance claim before
> applying for FEMA assistance
> [2]Why you may not need to file an insurance claim before applying for
> FEMA assistance
> People whose flood-damaged homes and vehicles weren't covered by flood
> insurance or with coma|
> The state's Office of Motor Vehicles also will issue a certificate of
> destruction for any
> car that is
> totaled because of a gubernatorially declared disaster. The certificate
> is reported to those
> same national databases as a "fatal brand," or one that should prevent
> the car from being sold for
> anything besides parts or scrap.
> Insurance Auto Auctions sells only to licensed dealers, scrappers or
> dismantlers, OaBrien
> said. Members of the
> public cannot purchase cars from the company's lots in Louisiana.
> The process has improved since Hurricane Katrina, when thousands of
> destroyed cars remained
> under highway overpasses for months, said Jill Jarreau, of the OMV.
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> insurance companies regarding the Certificate of Destruction title
> requirements for flooded vehicles.
> The department issued the bulletin following the federal declaration of
> disaster due to the recent [18]massive flooding in Southeast
> Louisiana.
> A Certificate of Destruction is a type of title for water damaged
> vehicle that has been declared a total loss.
> The department said that when, as a result of an insurance settlement,
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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Charles Engles < [36]cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
> Dear Forum,
> An insurance adjustor friend of a Pantera friend
> told
> him that this Pantera is flooded and has been totaled and is
> available
> with a salvage title in Baton Rouge.
> It appears to be pretty stock. One picture I did
> not
> include shows the tub with a space saver spare plus the red inflator.
> The pictures seem to show a high water mark above the window sills.
> It seems that this car is *supposed* to be available
> for online auction through: [1]http://www.copart.com I have tried
> searching for it three times and can't find it on their site although
> there are lots of flood damaged and other cars there, i.e. Ferraris
> and
> Maseratis, etc, in small numbers.
> Supposedly the value on the car was said to be
> "$10,000". However, all the cars on the site are up for bid with a
> few "drivers" also available for a "buy it now" price. Finally, it
> seems that you have to register and pay a fee before you can bid.
> However, if you're keen for a "deal", then perhaps
> calling the Baton Rouge Copart salvage yard might be advantageous.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 19:23:49 -0700
> From: Paul A Rimov <rimovp at gmail.com>
> To: Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Another Scirocco for Mike Drew?
> Message-ID: <A20FEFDD-841C-41A6-BAAD-2FEA5A8A5CC6 at gmail.com>
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> Compared to the Scirocco of doom that is Concourse condition .
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com> wrote:
>>
>> All, saw this
>> (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-vw-scirocco-mk-ii/) on BaT and
>> thought of Mike. Mike - you can't have enough of these : ) There is
>> also a yellow 72 currently on BaT with shaved side markers and door
>> handles. Nice looking car. Mike R.
>>
>>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 22:12:23 -0500
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Re: Another Scirocco for Mike Drew?
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> Hahahaha!
>
> Actually I don't like the Mark II Sciroccos like this one--they were heavier, more bloated, and softer than the earlier cars. Still, they were fantastic cars in their day, and surprisingly, serve as a benchmark for fun cars even today. This video from a professional motojournalist is quite telling:
>
> https://youtu.be/ngDTa4xjYYw
>
> The earlier cars like mine are much faster, handle better and are better looking. Guigiaro designed the body, and it shows....
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 6:32 PM, Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com> wrote:
>>
>> All, saw this (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-vw-scirocco-mk-ii/) on BaT and thought of Mike. Mike ? you can?t have enough of these : ) There is also a yellow 72 currently on BaT with shaved side markers and door handles. Nice looking car. Mike R.
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
> -------------- next part --------------
> Hahahaha!
>
> Actually I don't like the Mark II Sciroccos like this one--they were
> heavier, more bloated, and softer than the earlier cars. Still, they
> were fantastic cars in their day, and surprisingly, serve as a
> benchmark for fun cars even today. This video from a professional
> motojournalist is quite telling:
>
> [1]https://youtu.be/ngDTa4xjYYw
>
> The earlier cars like mine are much faster, handle better and are
> better looking. Guigiaro designed the body, and it shows....
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 6, 2016, at 6:32 PM, Mike Reilly <[2]reillyms at live.com> wrote:
>
> All, saw this
> ([3]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-vw-scirocco-mk-ii/) on BaT
> and thought of Mike. Mike - you can't have enough of these : )
> There is also a yellow 72 currently on BaT with shaved side markers and
> door handles. Nice looking car. Mike R.
>
>
> Sent from [4]Mail for Windows 10
>
> References
>
> 1. https://youtu.be/ngDTa4xjYYw
> 2. mailto:reillyms at live.com
> 3. http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-vw-scirocco-mk-ii/
> 4. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 20:12:35 -0700
> From: "bill at incendium.com" <bill at incendium.com>
> To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>, 'Ed Mendez' <edducati at mac.com>
> Cc: 'detomaso' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
> Message-ID: <bynt0wean2xtkijwwg8j7jej.1473217955693 at email.android.com>
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> If it was made road worthy and passed the out of province inspection, it could be registered in Alberta.
>
>
> CheersBill MooreCalgary?
> -------- Original message --------From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> Date: 2016-09-06 5:27 PM (GMT-08:00) To: 'Ed Mendez' <edducati at mac.com> Cc: 'detomaso' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
> Dear Ed,
>
>
>
>
>
> ????????????????? I am no expert with this topic and I suspect that Jeff Cobb knows far? more about these things than I do, but the deal is that the insurance company has paid the Pantera for his claim.? They now have , I think, salvage title to the Pantera.? The insurance company wants to make money and/or minimize their loss on the claim so they are interested in selling it for whatever it will bring through Copart, who, I suspect, will get a cut of the action.? So, IF I understand the situation the Pantera won?t be scrapped, but it will have it?s title marked SALVAGE or the Louisiana equivalent.??
>
>
>
> ??????????????? So, assuming that you bought the Pantera, it would be all ready to be parted out.?? It would be difficult to restore it and then try to sell it with a Salvage Title, AFAIK.
>
>
>
> ??????????????????????????????? Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ed Mendez [mailto:edducati at mac.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:19 PM
> To: cengles at cox.net
> Cc: jeffcobb1 at me.com; detomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
>
>
>
> So they scrap cars even if they are classics?
>
>
>
> That is criminal if they scrap that Pantera.
>
>
>
> Ed
>
>
> On Sep 06, 2016, at 04:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote:
>
> Dear Jeff,
>
> I thought that perhaps you might reply and I thought
> that you would have a pretty good idea about what is going on with
> these flood damaged sports cars. I am glad that you're OK.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:11 PM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>
> This car may not be for sale in Louisiana though loopholes are
> everywhere.
>
> Louisiana law states this and even more since this is a disaster area.
>
> Basically when the insurance totaled paid off and flooded car is free
> of its
> owner,
> it must be scrapped.
>
> Very sad to leave from after I spent weekend transporting people from
> flood waters to going to
> Monterey week and then back to this. I have one customer who lost 12
> hot rods. I was lucky!
>
> Most dealers do not have used cars to sell and rent cars are coming in
> from five states away!
>
> Most did not have insurance because this never should ave happened at
> all!
>
> Two of my mechanics have been paid $22,000.each by FEMA within three
> days so far for the three feet
>
> of water in their homes.
>
> I felt wrong, guilty, confused, bad and sad leaving the next day but
> with my medical condition I could
> not go in butt deepwater
> full of feces, garbage and diesel/ gasoline fuels floating on top to
> help my friends.
>
> Enjoyed seeing and talking with you deTomaso guys and gals out in the
> dry world.
>
> Quack quack.
>
> Jeff Cobb
>
> Baton Rouge, La.
>
> 225-907-4514
>
> Bordinat Mangusta
>
> -------------------------Newspaper article--------9/1/16-------------
>
> As of Wednesday, State Farm -- just one of the insurers that serves car
> owners in the area
> -- had received
> almost 18,000 auto claims related to flooding.
>
> That number was more than double the number of homeowner claims the
> company had received, spokesman
> Roszell Gadsen said.
>
> With such a large volume, towing companies have been stretched to the
> limit.
>
> aWeave been working around the clock,a said Ronnie
> Stewart,
> of Stewartas Towing in
> Livingston Parish.
>
> aItas been hectic and crazy,a Stewart said. He estimated that his
> company, a small one with four
> trucks, had towed more than
> 300 cars since the waters receded.
>
> There were still plenty more left to be towed.
>
> aWe probably havenat put a dent in all the cars thatas flooded,a he
> said.
>
> In East Baton Rouge Parish, the woman who answered the phone at
> Roadrunner Towing said there were
> no words to describe how busy it had been. Roadrunner, which has
> contracts with several local police
> agencies, had towed more than 700 vehicles by midweek.
>
> Most of the cars are being taken to private towers' yards or large auto
> salvage yards like Insurance Auto
> Auctions in Livingston or Copart in Greenwell Springs.
>
> Jeanene OaBrien, of Insurance Auto Auctions, said the company is
> handling athousands of cars per day.a
>
> A caras trip to one of these yards will be the first leg of its journey
> to the compactor or the junkyard.
>
> When a flood-damaged car arrives at Insurance Auto Auctionsa yard in
> Livingston,
> for example, the vehicle identification number is
> registered with both
> the
> National Insurance Crime Bureau and the National Motor
> Vehicle Title Information System.
>
> RELATED [1]Why you may not need to file an insurance claim before
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>
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>
> People whose flood-damaged homes and vehicles weren't covered by flood
> insurance or with coma|
>
>
>
> The state's Office of Motor Vehicles also will issue a certificate of
> destruction for any
> car that is
> totaled because of a gubernatorially declared disaster. The certificate
> is reported to those
> same national databases as a "fatal brand," or one that should prevent
> the car from being sold for
> anything besides parts or scrap.
>
> Insurance Auto Auctions sells only to licensed dealers, scrappers or
> dismantlers, OaBrien
> said. Members of the
> public cannot purchase cars from the company's lots in Louisiana.
>
> The process has improved since Hurricane Katrina, when thousands of
> destroyed cars remained
> under highway overpasses for months, said Jill Jarreau, of the OMV.
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> requirements for flooded vehicles.
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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Charles Engles < [36]cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
> An insurance adjustor friend of a Pantera friend
> told
>
> him that this Pantera is flooded and has been totaled and is
> available
>
> with a salvage title in Baton Rouge.
>
> It appears to be pretty stock. One picture I did
> not
>
> include shows the tub with a space saver spare plus the red inflator.
>
> The pictures seem to show a high water mark above the window sills.
>
> It seems that this car is *supposed* to be available
>
> for online auction through: [1]http://www.copart.com I have tried
>
> searching for it three times and can't find it on their site although
>
> there are lots of flood damaged and other cars there, i.e. Ferraris
> and
>
> Maseratis, etc, in small numbers.
>
> Supposedly the value on the car was said to be
>
> "$10,000". However, all the cars on the site are up for bid with a
>
> few "drivers" also available for a "buy it now" price. Finally, it
>
> seems that you have to register and pay a fee before you can bid.
>
> However, if you're keen for a "deal", then perhaps
>
> calling the Baton Rouge Copart salvage yard might be advantageous.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> References
>
> 1. [37]http://www.copart.com/
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> ?? Dear Ed,
>
>
>
> ???????????????????? I am no expert with this topic and I suspect that
> ?? Jeff Cobb knows far? more about these things than I do, but the deal is
> ?? that the insurance company has paid the Pantera for his claim.? They
> ?? now have , I think, salvage title to the Pantera.? The insurance
> ?? company wants to make money and/or minimize their loss on the claim so
> ?? they are interested in selling it for whatever it will bring through
> ?? Copart, who, I suspect, will get a cut of the action.? So, IF I
> ?? understand the situation the Pantera won't be scrapped, but it will
> ?? have it's title marked SALVAGE or the Louisiana equivalent.
>
>
> ?????????????????? So, assuming that you bought the Pantera, it would be
> ?? all ready to be parted out.?? It would be difficult to restore it and
> ?? then try to sell it with a Salvage Title, AFAIK.
>
>
> ?????????????????????????????????? Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>
> ?? From: Ed Mendez [mailto:edducati at mac.com]
> ?? Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:19 PM
> ?? To: cengles at cox.net
> ?? Cc: jeffcobb1 at me.com; detomaso
> ?? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
>
>
> ?? So they scrap cars even if they are classics?
>
>
> ?? That is criminal if they scrap that Pantera.
>
>
> ?? Ed
>
> ?? On Sep 06, 2016, at 04:51 AM, [1]cengles at cox.net wrote:
>
> ?? Dear Jeff,
> ?? I thought that perhaps you might reply and I thought
> ?? that you would have a pretty good idea about what is going on with
> ?? these flood damaged sports cars. I am glad that you're OK.
> ?? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> ?? On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:11 PM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> ?? Chuck,
> ?? This car may not be for sale in Louisiana though loopholes are
> ?? everywhere.
> ?? Louisiana law states this and even more since this is a disaster area.
> ?? Basically when the insurance totaled paid off and flooded car is free
> ?? of its
> ?? owner,
> ?? it must be scrapped.
> ?? Very sad to leave from after I spent weekend transporting people from
> ?? flood waters to going to
> ?? Monterey week and then back to this. I have one customer who lost 12
> ?? hot rods. I was lucky!
> ?? Most dealers do not have used cars to sell and rent cars are coming in
> ?? from five states away!
> ?? Most did not have insurance because this never should ave happened at
> ?? all!
> ?? Two of my mechanics have been paid $22,000.each by FEMA within three
> ?? days so far for the three feet
> ?? of water in their homes.
> ?? I felt wrong, guilty, confused, bad and sad leaving the next day but
> ?? with my medical condition I could
> ?? not go in butt deepwater
> ?? full of feces, garbage and diesel/ gasoline fuels floating on top to
> ?? help my friends.
> ?? Enjoyed seeing and talking with you deTomaso guys and gals out in the
> ?? dry world.
> ?? Quack quack.
> ?? Jeff Cobb
> ?? Baton Rouge, La.
> ?? 225-907-4514
> ?? Bordinat Mangusta
> ?? -------------------------Newspaper article--------9/1/16-------------
> ?? As of Wednesday, State Farm -- just one of the insurers that serves car
> ?? owners in the area
> ?? -- had received
> ?? almost 18,000 auto claims related to flooding.
> ?? That number was more than double the number of homeowner claims the
> ?? company had received, spokesman
> ?? Roszell Gadsen said.
> ?? With such a large volume, towing companies have been stretched to the
> ?? limit.
> ?? aWeave been working around the clock,a said Ronnie
> ?? Stewart,
> ?? of Stewartas Towing in
> ?? Livingston Parish.
> ?? aItas been hectic and crazy,a Stewart said. He estimated that his
> ?? company, a small one with four
> ?? trucks, had towed more than
> ?? 300 cars since the waters receded.
> ?? There were still plenty more left to be towed.
> ?? aWe probably havenat put a dent in all the cars thatas flooded,a he
> ?? said.
> ?? In East Baton Rouge Parish, the woman who answered the phone at
> ?? Roadrunner Towing said there were
> ?? no words to describe how busy it had been. Roadrunner, which has
> ?? contracts with several local police
> ?? agencies, had towed more than 700 vehicles by midweek.
> ?? Most of the cars are being taken to private towers' yards or large auto
> ?? salvage yards like Insurance Auto
> ?? Auctions in Livingston or Copart in Greenwell Springs.
> ?? Jeanene OaBrien, of Insurance Auto Auctions, said the company is
> ?? handling athousands of cars per day.a
> ?? A caras trip to one of these yards will be the first leg of its journey
> ?? to the compactor or the junkyard.
> ?? When a flood-damaged car arrives at Insurance Auto Auctionsa yard in
> ?? Livingston,
> ?? for example, the vehicle identification number is
> ?? registered with both
> ?? the
> ?? National Insurance Crime Bureau and the National Motor
> ?? Vehicle Title Information System.
> ?? RELATED [1]Why you may not need to file an insurance claim before
> ?? applying for FEMA assistance
> ?? [2]Why you may not need to file an insurance claim before applying for
> ?? FEMA assistance
> ?? People whose flood-damaged homes and vehicles weren't covered by flood
> ?? insurance or with coma|
> ?? The state's Office of Motor Vehicles also will issue a certificate of
> ?? destruction for any
> ?? car that is
> ?? totaled because of a gubernatorially declared disaster. The certificate
> ?? is reported to those
> ?? same national databases as a "fatal brand," or one that should prevent
> ?? the car from being sold for
> ?? anything besides parts or scrap.
> ?? Insurance Auto Auctions sells only to licensed dealers, scrappers or
> ?? dismantlers, OaBrien
> ?? said. Members of the
> ?? public cannot purchase cars from the company's lots in Louisiana.
> ?? The process has improved since Hurricane Katrina, when thousands of
> ?? destroyed cars remained
> ?? under highway overpasses for months, said Jill Jarreau, of the OMV.
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> ?? The Louisiana Department of Insurance has issued a reminder to
> ?? insurance companies regarding the Certificate of Destruction title
> ?? requirements for flooded vehicles.
> ?? The department issued the bulletin following the federal declaration of
> ?? disaster due to the recent [18]massive flooding in Southeast
> ?? Louisiana.
> ?? A Certificate of Destruction is a type of title for water damaged
> ?? vehicle that has been declared a total loss.
> ?? The department said that when, as a result of an insurance settlement,
> ?? a motor vehicle is determined to be a total loss due to water damage,
> ?? Louisiana law requires the insurance company acquiring ownership of the
> ?? vehicle to send the certificate of title to the Office of Motor
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> ?? The certificate and application must be sent to the OMV within 30 days
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> ?? On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Charles Engles < [36][2]cengles at cox.net>
> ?? wrote:
> ?? Dear Forum,
> ?? An insurance adjustor friend of a Pantera friend
> ?? told
> ?? him that this Pantera is flooded and has been totaled and is
> ?? available
> ?? with a salvage title in Baton Rouge.
> ?? It appears to be pretty stock. One picture I did
> ?? not
> ?? include shows the tub with a space saver spare plus the red inflator.
> ?? The pictures seem to show a high water mark above the window sills.
> ?? It seems that this car is *supposed* to be available
> ?? for online auction through: [1][3]http://www.copart.com I have tried
> ?? searching for it three times and can't find it on their site although
> ?? there are lots of flood damaged and other cars there, i.e. Ferraris
> ?? and
> ?? Maseratis, etc, in small numbers.
> ?? Supposedly the value on the car was said to be
> ?? "$10,000". However, all the cars on the site are up for bid with a
> ?? few "drivers" also available for a "buy it now" price. Finally, it
> ?? seems that you have to register and pay a fee before you can bid.
> ?? However, if you're keen for a "deal", then perhaps
> ?? calling the Baton Rouge Copart salvage yard might be advantageous.
> ?? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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> If it was made road worthy and passed the out of province inspection,
> it could be registered in Alberta.
>
> Cheers
>
> Bill Moore
>
> Calgary
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> Date: 2016-09-06 5:27 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: 'Ed Mendez' <edducati at mac.com>
> Cc: 'detomaso' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
>
> Dear Ed,
> I am no expert with this topic and I suspect that
> Jeff Cobb knows far more about these things than I do, but the deal is
> that the insurance company has paid the Pantera for his claim. They
> now have , I think, salvage title to the Pantera. The insurance
> company wants to make money and/or minimize their loss on the claim so
> they are interested in selling it for whatever it will bring through
> Copart, who, I suspect, will get a cut of the action. So, IF I
> understand the situation the Pantera won't be scrapped, but it will
> have it's title marked SALVAGE or the Louisiana equivalent.
> So, assuming that you bought the Pantera, it would be
> all ready to be parted out. It would be difficult to restore it and
> then try to sell it with a Salvage Title, AFAIK.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> From: Ed Mendez [mailto:edducati at mac.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:19 PM
> To: cengles at cox.net
> Cc: jeffcobb1 at me.com; detomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
> So they scrap cars even if they are classics?
> That is criminal if they scrap that Pantera.
> Ed
> On Sep 06, 2016, at 04:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote:
> Dear Jeff,
> I thought that perhaps you might reply and I thought
> that you would have a pretty good idea about what is going on with
> these flood damaged sports cars. I am glad that you're OK.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:11 PM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> Chuck,
> This car may not be for sale in Louisiana though loopholes are
> everywhere.
> Louisiana law states this and even more since this is a disaster area.
> Basically when the insurance totaled paid off and flooded car is free
> of its
> owner,
> it must be scrapped.
> Very sad to leave from after I spent weekend transporting people from
> flood waters to going to
> Monterey week and then back to this. I have one customer who lost 12
> hot rods. I was lucky!
> Most dealers do not have used cars to sell and rent cars are coming in
> from five states away!
> Most did not have insurance because this never should ave happened at
> all!
> Two of my mechanics have been paid $22,000.each by FEMA within three
> days so far for the three feet
> of water in their homes.
> I felt wrong, guilty, confused, bad and sad leaving the next day but
> with my medical condition I could
> not go in butt deepwater
> full of feces, garbage and diesel/ gasoline fuels floating on top to
> help my friends.
> Enjoyed seeing and talking with you deTomaso guys and gals out in the
> dry world.
> Quack quack.
> Jeff Cobb
> Baton Rouge, La.
> 225-907-4514
> Bordinat Mangusta
> -------------------------Newspaper article--------9/1/16-------------
> As of Wednesday, State Farm -- just one of the insurers that serves car
> owners in the area
> -- had received
> almost 18,000 auto claims related to flooding.
> That number was more than double the number of homeowner claims the
> company had received, spokesman
> Roszell Gadsen said.
> With such a large volume, towing companies have been stretched to the
> limit.
> aWeave been working around the clock,a said Ronnie
> Stewart,
> of Stewartas Towing in
> Livingston Parish.
> aItas been hectic and crazy,a Stewart said. He estimated that his
> company, a small one with four
> trucks, had towed more than
> 300 cars since the waters receded.
> There were still plenty more left to be towed.
> aWe probably havenat put a dent in all the cars thatas flooded,a he
> said.
> In East Baton Rouge Parish, the woman who answered the phone at
> Roadrunner Towing said there were
> no words to describe how busy it had been. Roadrunner, which has
> contracts with several local police
> agencies, had towed more than 700 vehicles by midweek.
> Most of the cars are being taken to private towers' yards or large auto
> salvage yards like Insurance Auto
> Auctions in Livingston or Copart in Greenwell Springs.
> Jeanene OaBrien, of Insurance Auto Auctions, said the company is
> handling athousands of cars per day.a
> A caras trip to one of these yards will be the first leg of its journey
> to the compactor or the junkyard.
> When a flood-damaged car arrives at Insurance Auto Auctionsa yard in
> Livingston,
> for example, the vehicle identification number is
> registered with both
> the
> National Insurance Crime Bureau and the National Motor
> Vehicle Title Information System.
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> The state's Office of Motor Vehicles also will issue a certificate of
> destruction for any
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> totaled because of a gubernatorially declared disaster. The certificate
> is reported to those
> same national databases as a "fatal brand," or one that should prevent
> the car from being sold for
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> Insurance Auto Auctions sells only to licensed dealers, scrappers or
> dismantlers, OaBrien
> said. Members of the
> public cannot purchase cars from the company's lots in Louisiana.
> The process has improved since Hurricane Katrina, when thousands of
> destroyed cars remained
> under highway overpasses for months, said Jill Jarreau, of the OMV.
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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Charles Engles < [36]cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
> Dear Forum,
> An insurance adjustor friend of a Pantera friend
> told
> him that this Pantera is flooded and has been totaled and is
> available
> with a salvage title in Baton Rouge.
> It appears to be pretty stock. One picture I did
> not
> include shows the tub with a space saver spare plus the red inflator.
> The pictures seem to show a high water mark above the window sills.
> It seems that this car is *supposed* to be available
> for online auction through: [1]http://www.copart.com I have tried
> searching for it three times and can't find it on their site although
> there are lots of flood damaged and other cars there, i.e. Ferraris
> and
> Maseratis, etc, in small numbers.
> Supposedly the value on the car was said to be
> "$10,000". However, all the cars on the site are up for bid with a
> few "drivers" also available for a "buy it now" price. Finally, it
> seems that you have to register and pay a fee before you can bid.
> However, if you're keen for a "deal", then perhaps
> calling the Baton Rouge Copart salvage yard might be advantageous.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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> Dear Ed,
> I am no expert with this topic and I suspect that
> Jeff Cobb knows far more about these things than I do, but the deal
> is
> that the insurance company has paid the Pantera for his claim. They
> now have , I think, salvage title to the Pantera. The insurance
> company wants to make money and/or minimize their loss on the claim
> so
> they are interested in selling it for whatever it will bring through
> Copart, who, I suspect, will get a cut of the action. So, IF I
> understand the situation the Pantera won't be scrapped, but it will
> have it's title marked SALVAGE or the Louisiana equivalent.
> So, assuming that you bought the Pantera, it would
> be
> all ready to be parted out. It would be difficult to restore it
> and
> then try to sell it with a Salvage Title, AFAIK.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> From: Ed Mendez [mailto:edducati at mac.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:19 PM
> To: cengles at cox.net
> Cc: jeffcobb1 at me.com; detomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
> So they scrap cars even if they are classics?
> That is criminal if they scrap that Pantera.
> Ed
> On Sep 06, 2016, at 04:51 AM, [1]cengles at cox.net wrote:
> Dear Jeff,
> I thought that perhaps you might reply and I thought
> that you would have a pretty good idea about what is going on with
> these flood damaged sports cars. I am glad that you're OK.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:11 PM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> Chuck,
> This car may not be for sale in Louisiana though loopholes are
> everywhere.
> Louisiana law states this and even more since this is a disaster
> area.
> Basically when the insurance totaled paid off and flooded car is
> free
> of its
> owner,
> it must be scrapped.
> Very sad to leave from after I spent weekend transporting people
> from
> flood waters to going to
> Monterey week and then back to this. I have one customer who lost 12
> hot rods. I was lucky!
> Most dealers do not have used cars to sell and rent cars are coming
> in
> from five states away!
> Most did not have insurance because this never should ave happened
> at
> all!
> Two of my mechanics have been paid $22,000.each by FEMA within three
> days so far for the three feet
> of water in their homes.
> I felt wrong, guilty, confused, bad and sad leaving the next day but
> with my medical condition I could
> not go in butt deepwater
> full of feces, garbage and diesel/ gasoline fuels floating on top to
> help my friends.
> Enjoyed seeing and talking with you deTomaso guys and gals out in
> the
> dry world.
> Quack quack.
> Jeff Cobb
> Baton Rouge, La.
> 225-907-4514
> Bordinat Mangusta
> -------------------------Newspaper
> article--------9/1/16-------------
> As of Wednesday, State Farm -- just one of the insurers that serves
> car
> owners in the area
> -- had received
> almost 18,000 auto claims related to flooding.
> That number was more than double the number of homeowner claims the
> company had received, spokesman
> Roszell Gadsen said.
> With such a large volume, towing companies have been stretched to
> the
> limit.
> aWeave been working around the clock,a said Ronnie
> Stewart,
> of Stewartas Towing in
> Livingston Parish.
> aItas been hectic and crazy,a Stewart said. He estimated that his
> company, a small one with four
> trucks, had towed more than
> 300 cars since the waters receded.
> There were still plenty more left to be towed.
> aWe probably havenat put a dent in all the cars thatas flooded,a he
> said.
> In East Baton Rouge Parish, the woman who answered the phone at
> Roadrunner Towing said there were
> no words to describe how busy it had been. Roadrunner, which has
> contracts with several local police
> agencies, had towed more than 700 vehicles by midweek.
> Most of the cars are being taken to private towers' yards or large
> auto
> salvage yards like Insurance Auto
> Auctions in Livingston or Copart in Greenwell Springs.
> Jeanene OaBrien, of Insurance Auto Auctions, said the company is
> handling athousands of cars per day.a
> A caras trip to one of these yards will be the first leg of its
> journey
> to the compactor or the junkyard.
> When a flood-damaged car arrives at Insurance Auto Auctionsa yard in
> Livingston,
> for example, the vehicle identification number is
> registered with both
> the
> National Insurance Crime Bureau and the National Motor
> Vehicle Title Information System.
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> People whose flood-damaged homes and vehicles weren't covered by
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> insurance or with coma|
> The state's Office of Motor Vehicles also will issue a certificate
> of
> destruction for any
> car that is
> totaled because of a gubernatorially declared disaster. The
> certificate
> is reported to those
> same national databases as a "fatal brand," or one that should
> prevent
> the car from being sold for
> anything besides parts or scrap.
> Insurance Auto Auctions sells only to licensed dealers, scrappers or
> dismantlers, OaBrien
> said. Members of the
> public cannot purchase cars from the company's lots in Louisiana.
> The process has improved since Hurricane Katrina, when thousands of
> destroyed cars remained
> under highway overpasses for months, said Jill Jarreau, of the OMV.
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> insurance companies regarding the Certificate of Destruction title
> requirements for flooded vehicles.
> The department issued the bulletin following the federal declaration
> of
> disaster due to the recent [18]massive flooding in Southeast
> Louisiana.
> A Certificate of Destruction is a type of title for water damaged
> vehicle that has been declared a total loss.
> The department said that when, as a result of an insurance
> settlement,
> a motor vehicle is determined to be a total loss due to water
> damage,
> Louisiana law requires the insurance company acquiring ownership of
> the
> vehicle to send the certificate of title to the Office of Motor
> Vehicles along with an application for a Certificate of Destruction.
> The certificate and application must be sent to the OMV within 30
> days
> from the settlement of the claim.
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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Charles Engles < [36][2]cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
> Dear Forum,
> An insurance adjustor friend of a Pantera friend
> told
> him that this Pantera is flooded and has been totaled and is
> available
> with a salvage title in Baton Rouge.
> It appears to be pretty stock. One picture I did
> not
> include shows the tub with a space saver spare plus the red
> inflator.
> The pictures seem to show a high water mark above the window sills.
> It seems that this car is *supposed* to be available
> for online auction through: [1][3]http://www.copart.com I have tried
> searching for it three times and can't find it on their site
> although
> there are lots of flood damaged and other cars there, i.e. Ferraris
> and
> Maseratis, etc, in small numbers.
> Supposedly the value on the car was said to be
> "$10,000". However, all the cars on the site are up for bid with a
> few "drivers" also available for a "buy it now" price. Finally, it
> seems that you have to register and pay a fee before you can bid.
> However, if you're keen for a "deal", then perhaps
> calling the Baton Rouge Copart salvage yard might be advantageous.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 22:21:55 -0500
> From: Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1 at me.com>
> To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> Cc: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
> Message-ID: <CBDC3FAE-270C-4F26-A988-D5F7B9FBB37E at me.com>
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>
> Chuck,
> Thanks for your belief that I could have a clue of these legal and money issues of cars I enjoy.
> These are items that this flood which is called a ?thousand year flood" have brought to a massive point and what really worries me are:
>
> ?1?What power does the state of Louisiana truly have over me and my insurance company if this flood would submerged my cars, state law or not?
> I know La states power comes in only after Heacock or ?Ins says it is a total.
> But?
>
> ?2?How would Heacock determine when the Ghibli SS, Mangusta, Espada II, Bora, 250sl and a Formula 6000 race car are totaled?
> What % or $ # of agreed value do they use to determine a total?
> I don?t think they want to total in La because they cannot get good auction money for their bought flooded car for their reimbursement.
> Sure would cheaper to fix a beautiful rare car than to total it!
> But?
>
> ?3?I do understand La state not wanting late model flood cars back on the market after being totally submerged.
> On Dec 4/2015, I was heading home and a fool lady, who said she ran the light on purpose because she was late for a meeting, ran my 97 Jag and me over. The car and I landed 61? to my right and pointed back to where I just came from. WTF and total blindside???
> My medical problem does not allow me to where a 2 or 3 point seatbelt since 4/15.
> So am lucky to be alive! By the way people and TV station loved the sign at corner of my work land.
>
>
>> From: Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1 at me.com>
>> Subject: WBRZ-Channel 2 about my sign
>> Date: December 28, 2015 at 9:39:31 PM CST
>> To: family
>> Just got back from having another MRI.
>> I am still chuckling because this tv interview was so cool.
>> Channel 2 came over today and said they saw the sign and knew there was a story to be told.
>> People had called them over and over about it.
>> I am so glad that I did something I did not need to do so to help unknown others do what they needed to do so not to hurt others. Nice little story.
>> I laughed my ass off while watching it.
>> http://www.wbrz.com/news/new-sign-on-acadian-is-drawing-in-unexpected-attention
>>
> My first wreck since 7/69. Her INS co paid me 20% more than what I paid for the car 1 1/2 yr before and then sold me the wreck back for $341. I have my broken collarbone to remind me of BONEHEAD drivers, the cool 18? long public service sign we put above the car for two months with its many unique conversations with strangers and the car so to sell parts off of it. Removed and installed the fuel tank in a similar Jag last week.
> But our thread is about totaled flood destroyed cars.
> My other regular drivers, 98 E430 nitrous, 02 SL500, 05 S500, 04 Range Rover and 98 F150 would be useless stinky crap after being submarined and I would not want them for salvage or anything.
> I would take the $, let the state do what they want and buy something cool to take their place.
> Too many electronics only would hard parts be worth anything.
> Now the states law makes sense.
>
> ?4?Would Heacock, Grundy and others even try to, care to, give a damn to or care to even think about totaling beautiful non computer autos?
> I wonder what ins company paid for the wet Pantera, probably a mainstream co.
>
> ?5?Should I title my cars now in Montana or Oregon where they do not destroy these flooded cars?
>
> ?6?If my old cars where flood totaled in Louisiana yet titled elsewhere would La. take presence and have a right to control and scrap?
>
> ?7?In our quest of finding the best ins companies, should these type of questions be relevant to ask for
> knowing who would treat us the best?
>
> I wrote Heacock questions like these today to find out how they stand.
>
> So a 1000 year flood comes, washes away my loved cars, leaves a pile of $ in its wake, I may have no capability to buy back these critters and I know the state has crushed or something to them. Not a good feeling.
> I guess some of you California people are used to this when fires ravage your cars.
> What a flood of thoughts after a flood.
>
> Thanks for reading all of this,
>
> Jeff Cobb
>
> On Sep 6, 2016, at 7:27 PM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Dear Ed,
>>
>>
>> I am no expert with this topic and I suspect that Jeff Cobb knows far more about these things than I do, but the deal is that the insurance company has paid the Pantera for his claim. They now have, I think, salvage title to the Pantera. The insurance company wants to make money and/or minimize their loss on the claim so they are interested in selling it for whatever it will bring through Copart, who, I suspect, will get a cut of the action. So, IF I understand the situation the Pantera won?t be scrapped, but it will have it?s title marked SALVAGE or the Louisiana equivalent.
>>
>> So, assuming that you bought the Pantera, it would be all ready to be parted out. It would be difficult to restore it and then try to sell it with a Salvage Title, AFAIK.
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Ed Mendez [mailto:edducati at mac.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:19 PM
>> To: cengles at cox.net
>> Cc: jeffcobb1 at me.com; detomaso
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
>>
>> So they scrap cars even if they are classics?
>>
>> That is criminal if they scrap that Pantera.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> On Sep 06, 2016, at 04:51 AM, cengles at cox.net wrote:
>>
>> Dear Jeff,
>>
>> I thought that perhaps you might reply and I thought
>> that you would have a pretty good idea about what is going on with
>> these flood damaged sports cars. I am glad that you're OK.
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:11 PM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> This car may not be for sale in Louisiana though loopholes are
>> everywhere.
>>
>> Louisiana law states this and even more since this is a disaster area.
>>
>> Basically when the insurance totaled paid off and flooded car is free
>> of its
>> owner,
>> it must be scrapped.
>>
>> Very sad to leave from after I spent weekend transporting people from
>> flood waters to going to
>> Monterey week and then back to this. I have one customer who lost 12
>> hot rods. I was lucky!
>>
>> Most dealers do not have used cars to sell and rent cars are coming in
>> from five states away!
>>
>> Most did not have insurance because this never should ave happened at
>> all!
>>
>> Two of my mechanics have been paid $22,000.each by FEMA within three
>> days so far for the three feet
>>
>> of water in their homes.
>>
>> I felt wrong, guilty, confused, bad and sad leaving the next day but
>> with my medical condition I could
>> not go in butt deepwater
>> full of feces, garbage and diesel/ gasoline fuels floating on top to
>> help my friends.
>>
>> Enjoyed seeing and talking with you deTomaso guys and gals out in the
>> dry world.
>>
>> Quack quack.
>>
>> Jeff Cobb
>>
>> Baton Rouge, La.
>>
>> 225-907-4514
>>
>> Bordinat Mangusta
>>
>> -------------------------Newspaper article--------9/1/16-------------
>>
>> As of Wednesday, State Farm -- just one of the insurers that serves car
>> owners in the area
>> -- had received
>> almost 18,000 auto claims related to flooding.
>>
>> That number was more than double the number of homeowner claims the
>> company had received, spokesman
>> Roszell Gadsen said.
>>
>> With such a large volume, towing companies have been stretched to the
>> limit.
>>
>> aWeave been working around the clock,a said Ronnie
>> Stewart,
>> of Stewartas Towing in
>> Livingston Parish.
>>
>> aItas been hectic and crazy,a Stewart said. He estimated that his
>> company, a small one with four
>> trucks, had towed more than
>> 300 cars since the waters receded.
>>
>> There were still plenty more left to be towed.
>>
>> aWe probably havenat put a dent in all the cars thatas flooded,a he
>> said.
>>
>> In East Baton Rouge Parish, the woman who answered the phone at
>> Roadrunner Towing said there were
>> no words to describe how busy it had been. Roadrunner, which has
>> contracts with several local police
>> agencies, had towed more than 700 vehicles by midweek.
>>
>> Most of the cars are being taken to private towers' yards or large auto
>> salvage yards like Insurance Auto
>> Auctions in Livingston or Copart in Greenwell Springs.
>>
>> Jeanene OaBrien, of Insurance Auto Auctions, said the company is
>> handling athousands of cars per day.a
>>
>> A caras trip to one of these yards will be the first leg of its journey
>> to the compactor or the junkyard.
>>
>> When a flood-damaged car arrives at Insurance Auto Auctionsa yard in
>> Livingston,
>> for example, the vehicle identification number is
>> registered with both
>> the
>> National Insurance Crime Bureau and the National Motor
>> Vehicle Title Information System.
>>
>> RELATED [1]Why you may not need to file an insurance claim before
>> applying for FEMA assistance
>>
>> [2]Why you may not need to file an insurance claim before applying for
>> FEMA assistance
>>
>> People whose flood-damaged homes and vehicles weren't covered by flood
>> insurance or with coma|
>>
>>
>>
>> The state's Office of Motor Vehicles also will issue a certificate of
>> destruction for any
>> car that is
>> totaled because of a gubernatorially declared disaster. The certificate
>> is reported to those
>> same national databases as a "fatal brand," or one that should prevent
>> the car from being sold for
>> anything besides parts or scrap.
>>
>> Insurance Auto Auctions sells only to licensed dealers, scrappers or
>> dismantlers, OaBrien
>> said. Members of the
>> public cannot purchase cars from the company's lots in Louisiana.
>>
>> The process has improved since Hurricane Katrina, when thousands of
>> destroyed cars remained
>> under highway overpasses for months, said Jill Jarreau, of the OMV.
>>
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>>
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>> 2016
>>
>> flooded car
>>
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>>
>> The Louisiana Department of Insurance has issued a reminder to
>> insurance companies regarding the Certificate of Destruction title
>> requirements for flooded vehicles.
>>
>> The department issued the bulletin following the federal declaration of
>> disaster due to the recent [18]massive flooding in Southeast
>> Louisiana.
>>
>> A Certificate of Destruction is a type of title for water damaged
>> vehicle that has been declared a total loss.
>>
>> The department said that when, as a result of an insurance settlement,
>> a motor vehicle is determined to be a total loss due to water damage,
>> Louisiana law requires the insurance company acquiring ownership of the
>> vehicle to send the certificate of title to the Office of Motor
>> Vehicles along with an application for a Certificate of Destruction.
>>
>> The certificate and application must be sent to the OMV within 30 days
>> from the settlement of the claim.
>>
>> Source: Louisiana Department of Insurance
>>
>> Related:
>>
>> a-c- [19]As Louisiana Surveys Flood Damage, Death Toll Rises
>>
>> a-c- [20]AIR Worldwide: Louisianaas Record Rainfall Caused by
>> Low-Pressure System
>>
>> a-c- [21]6 Dead, Tens of Thousands Evacuated in Louisiana
>> Flooding
>>
>> Get Insurance Journal subscribe
>>
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>> a-c- Categories: [26]Texas / South Central News
>>
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>> title requirements, [29]federal declaration of disaster, [30]flooded
>> vehicles, [31]flooding in Southeast Louisiana, [32]Louisiana
>> Department of Insurance, [33]Office of Motor Vehicles, [34]total
>> loss, [35]water damaged vehicle
>>
>> a-c- -----------------------------------
>>
>> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Charles Engles < [36]cengles at cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Forum,
>>
>> An insurance adjustor friend of a Pantera friend
>> told
>>
>> him that this Pantera is flooded and has been totaled and is
>> available
>>
>> with a salvage title in Baton Rouge.
>>
>> It appears to be pretty stock. One picture I did
>> not
>>
>> include shows the tub with a space saver spare plus the red inflator.
>>
>> The pictures seem to show a high water mark above the window sills.
>>
>> It seems that this car is *supposed* to be available
>>
>> for online auction through: [1]http://www.copart.com I have tried
>>
>> searching for it three times and can't find it on their site although
>>
>> there are lots of flood damaged and other cars there, i.e. Ferraris
>> and
>>
>> Maseratis, etc, in small numbers.
>>
>> Supposedly the value on the car was said to be
>>
>> "$10,000". However, all the cars on the site are up for bid with a
>>
>> few "drivers" also available for a "buy it now" price. Finally, it
>>
>> seems that you have to register and pay a fee before you can bid.
>>
>> However, if you're keen for a "deal", then perhaps
>>
>> calling the Baton Rouge Copart salvage yard might be advantageous.
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. [37]http://www.copart.com/
>>
>> <IMG_2523.JPG>
>>
>> References
>>
>> Visible links
>> 1.
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> Chuck,
>
> Thanks for your belief that I could have a clue of these legal and
> money issues of cars I enjoy.
>
> These are items that this flood which is called a "thousand year flood"
> have brought to a massive point and what really worries me are:
>
> --1--What power does the state of Louisiana truly have over me and my
> insurance company if this flood would submerged my cars, state law or
> not?
>
> I know La states power comes in only after Heacock or ?Ins says it is a
> total.
>
> But?
>
> --2--How would Heacock determine when the Ghibli SS, Mangusta, Espada
> II, Bora, 250sl and a Formula 6000 race car are totaled?
>
> What % or $ # of agreed value do they use to determine a total?
>
> I don't think they want to total in La because they cannot get good
> auction money for their bought flooded car for their reimbursement.
>
> Sure would cheaper to fix a beautiful rare car than to total it!
>
> But?
>
> --3--I do understand La state not wanting late model flood cars back on
> the market after being totally submerged.
>
> On Dec 4/2015, I was heading home and a fool lady, who said she ran the
> light on purpose because she was late for a meeting, ran my 97 Jag and
> me over. The car and I landed 61' to my right and pointed back to where
> I just came from. WTF and total blindside???
>
> My medical problem does not allow me to where a 2 or 3 point seatbelt
> since 4/15.
>
> So am lucky to be alive! By the way people and TV station loved the
> sign at corner of my work land.
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> From: Jeff Cobb <[1]jeffcobb1 at me.com>
>
> Subject: WBRZ-Channel 2 about my sign
>
> Date: December 28, 2015 at 9:39:31 PM CST
>
> To: family
>
> Just got back from having another MRI.
> I am still chuckling because this tv interview was so cool.
> Channel 2 came over today and said they saw the sign and knew there was
> a story to be told.
> People had called them over and over about it.
> I am so glad that I did something I did not need to do so to help
> unknown others do what they needed to do so not to hurt others. Nice
> little story.
> I laughed my ass off while watching it.
> [2]http://www.wbrz.com/news/new-sign-on-acadian-is-drawing-in-unexpecte
> d-attention
>
> My first wreck since 7/69. Her INS co paid me 20% more than what I paid
> for the car 1 1/2 yr before and then sold me the wreck back for $341. I
> have my broken collarbone to remind me of BONEHEAD drivers, the cool
> 18' long public service sign we put above the car for two months with
> its many unique conversations with strangers and the car so to sell
> parts off of it. Removed and installed the fuel tank in a similar Jag
> last week.
>
> But our thread is about totaled flood destroyed cars.
>
> My other regular drivers, 98 E430 nitrous, 02 SL500, 05 S500, 04 Range
> Rover and 98 F150 would be useless stinky crap after being submarined
> and I would not want them for salvage or anything.
>
> I would take the $, let the state do what they want and buy something
> cool to take their place.
>
> Too many electronics only would hard parts be worth anything.
>
> Now the states law makes sense.
>
> --4--Would Heacock, Grundy and others even try to, care to, give a damn
> to or care to even think about totaling beautiful non computer autos?
>
> I wonder what ins company paid for the wet Pantera, probably a
> mainstream co.
>
> --5--Should I title my cars now in Montana or Oregon where they do not
> destroy these flooded cars?
>
> --6--If my old cars where flood totaled in Louisiana yet titled
> elsewhere would La. take presence and have a right to control and
> scrap?
>
> --7--In our quest of finding the best ins companies, should these type
> of questions be relevant to ask for
>
> knowing who would treat us the best?
>
> I wrote Heacock questions like these today to find out how they stand.
>
> So a 1000 year flood comes, washes away my loved cars, leaves a pile of
> $ in its wake, I may have no capability to buy back these critters and
> I know the state has crushed or something to them. Not a good feeling.
>
> I guess some of you California people are used to this when fires
> ravage your cars.
>
> What a flood of thoughts after a flood.
>
> Thanks for reading all of this,
>
> Jeff Cobb
>
> On Sep 6, 2016, at 7:27 PM, Charles Engles <[3]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Ed,
>
>
> I am no expert with this topic and I suspect that
> Jeff Cobb knows far more about these things than I do, but the deal is
> that the insurance company has paid the Pantera for his claim. They
> now have, I think, salvage title to the Pantera. The insurance company
> wants to make money and/or minimize their loss on the claim so they are
> interested in selling it for whatever it will bring through Copart,
> who, I suspect, will get a cut of the action. So, IF I understand the
> situation the Pantera won't be scrapped, but it will have it's title
> marked SALVAGE or the Louisiana equivalent.
>
> So, assuming that you bought the Pantera, it would be
> all ready to be parted out. It would be difficult to restore it and
> then try to sell it with a Salvage Title, AFAIK.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
> From: Ed Mendez [[4]mailto:edducati at mac.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:19 PM
> To: [5]cengles at cox.net
> Cc: [6]jeffcobb1 at me.com; detomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
>
> So they scrap cars even if they are classics?
>
> That is criminal if they scrap that Pantera.
>
> Ed
>
> On Sep 06, 2016, at 04:51 AM, [7]cengles at cox.net wrote:
>
> Dear Jeff,
> I thought that perhaps you might reply and I thought
> that you would have a pretty good idea about what is going on with
> these flood damaged sports cars. I am glad that you're OK.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:11 PM, JEFFREY COBB wrote:
> Chuck,
> This car may not be for sale in Louisiana though loopholes are
> everywhere.
> Louisiana law states this and even more since this is a disaster area.
> Basically when the insurance totaled paid off and flooded car is free
> of its
> owner,
> it must be scrapped.
> Very sad to leave from after I spent weekend transporting people from
> flood waters to going to
> Monterey week and then back to this. I have one customer who lost 12
> hot rods. I was lucky!
> Most dealers do not have used cars to sell and rent cars are coming in
> from five states away!
> Most did not have insurance because this never should ave happened at
> all!
> Two of my mechanics have been paid $22,000.each by FEMA within three
> days so far for the three feet
> of water in their homes.
> I felt wrong, guilty, confused, bad and sad leaving the next day but
> with my medical condition I could
> not go in butt deepwater
> full of feces, garbage and diesel/ gasoline fuels floating on top to
> help my friends.
> Enjoyed seeing and talking with you deTomaso guys and gals out in the
> dry world.
> Quack quack.
> Jeff Cobb
> Baton Rouge, La.
> 225-907-4514
> Bordinat Mangusta
> -------------------------Newspaper article--------9/1/16-------------
> As of Wednesday, State Farm -- just one of the insurers that serves car
> owners in the area
> -- had received
> almost 18,000 auto claims related to flooding.
> That number was more than double the number of homeowner claims the
> company had received, spokesman
> Roszell Gadsen said.
> With such a large volume, towing companies have been stretched to the
> limit.
> aWeave been working around the clock,a said Ronnie
> Stewart,
> of Stewartas Towing in
> Livingston Parish.
> aItas been hectic and crazy,a Stewart said. He estimated that his
> company, a small one with four
> trucks, had towed more than
> 300 cars since the waters receded.
> There were still plenty more left to be towed.
> aWe probably havenat put a dent in all the cars thatas flooded,a he
> said.
> In East Baton Rouge Parish, the woman who answered the phone at
> Roadrunner Towing said there were
> no words to describe how busy it had been. Roadrunner, which has
> contracts with several local police
> agencies, had towed more than 700 vehicles by midweek.
> Most of the cars are being taken to private towers' yards or large auto
> salvage yards like Insurance Auto
> Auctions in Livingston or Copart in Greenwell Springs.
> Jeanene OaBrien, of Insurance Auto Auctions, said the company is
> handling athousands of cars per day.a
> A caras trip to one of these yards will be the first leg of its journey
> to the compactor or the junkyard.
> When a flood-damaged car arrives at Insurance Auto Auctionsa yard in
> Livingston,
> for example, the vehicle identification number is
> registered with both
> the
> National Insurance Crime Bureau and the National Motor
> Vehicle Title Information System.
> RELATED [1]Why you may not need to file an insurance claim before
> applying for FEMA assistance
> [2]Why you may not need to file an insurance claim before applying for
> FEMA assistance
> People whose flood-damaged homes and vehicles weren't covered by flood
> insurance or with coma|
> The state's Office of Motor Vehicles also will issue a certificate of
> destruction for any
> car that is
> totaled because of a gubernatorially declared disaster. The certificate
> is reported to those
> same national databases as a "fatal brand," or one that should prevent
> the car from being sold for
> anything besides parts or scrap.
> Insurance Auto Auctions sells only to licensed dealers, scrappers or
> dismantlers, OaBrien
> said. Members of the
> public cannot purchase cars from the company's lots in Louisiana.
> The process has improved since Hurricane Katrina, when thousands of
> destroyed cars remained
> under highway overpasses for months, said Jill Jarreau, of the OMV.
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> Louisiana Reminds Insurers of Flooded Vehicle Requirements August 18,
> 2016
> flooded car
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> The Louisiana Department of Insurance has issued a reminder to
> insurance companies regarding the Certificate of Destruction title
> requirements for flooded vehicles.
> The department issued the bulletin following the federal declaration of
> disaster due to the recent [18]massive flooding in Southeast
> Louisiana.
> A Certificate of Destruction is a type of title for water damaged
> vehicle that has been declared a total loss.
> The department said that when, as a result of an insurance settlement,
> a motor vehicle is determined to be a total loss due to water damage,
> Louisiana law requires the insurance company acquiring ownership of the
> vehicle to send the certificate of title to the Office of Motor
> Vehicles along with an application for a Certificate of Destruction.
> The certificate and application must be sent to the OMV within 30 days
> from the settlement of the claim.
> Source: Louisiana Department of Insurance
> Related:
> a-c- [19]As Louisiana Surveys Flood Damage, Death Toll Rises
> a-c- [20]AIR Worldwide: Louisianaas Record Rainfall Caused by
> Low-Pressure System
> a-c- [21]6 Dead, Tens of Thousands Evacuated in Louisiana
> Flooding
> Get Insurance Journal subscribe
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> title requirements, [29]federal declaration of disaster, [30]flooded
> vehicles, [31]flooding in Southeast Louisiana, [32]Louisiana
> Department of Insurance, [33]Office of Motor Vehicles, [34]total
> loss, [35]water damaged vehicle
> a-c- -----------------------------------
> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Charles Engles < [36][8]cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
> Dear Forum,
> An insurance adjustor friend of a Pantera friend
> told
> him that this Pantera is flooded and has been totaled and is
> available
> with a salvage title in Baton Rouge.
> It appears to be pretty stock. One picture I did
> not
> include shows the tub with a space saver spare plus the red inflator.
> The pictures seem to show a high water mark above the window sills.
> It seems that this car is *supposed* to be available
> for online auction through: [1][9]http://www.copart.com I have tried
> searching for it three times and can't find it on their site although
> there are lots of flood damaged and other cars there, i.e. Ferraris
> and
> Maseratis, etc, in small numbers.
> Supposedly the value on the car was said to be
> "$10,000". However, all the cars on the site are up for bid with a
> few "drivers" also available for a "buy it now" price. Finally, it
> seems that you have to register and pay a fee before you can bid.
> However, if you're keen for a "deal", then perhaps
> calling the Baton Rouge Copart salvage yard might be advantageous.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> References
> 1. [37][10]http://www.copart.com/
> <IMG_2523.JPG>
> References
> Visible links
> 1.
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2016 23:54:13 +1200
> From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
> To: "DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive
> Message-ID: <188FF02C-F7E0-4C29-9FCA-80975BBC6A1B at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Can anyone elaborate on the Pantera that was delivered to the Ford Executive? Supposedly his kids took the car out for a joy ride and crashed it?
>
> Is this just folklore or did it really happen? Do you know the month / year, what color the car was, any details, who the Executive was, etc?
>
> When Ford ordered a car that was a staff pool vehicle and not for retail sales, what did they generally do with them? Auto shows, advertising, etc?
>
> Would the Ford Executives car have been ordered that way from the factory? As a staff vehicle?
>
> Thanks, Ed
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 05:04:56 -0700
> From: Michael Becker <mikebecker679 at gmail.com>
> To: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
> Cc: "DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive
> Message-ID:
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>
> That was the story so colorfully told by our guest speaker at the 2014 Fun
> Rally in San Diego. His name is Tim Foraker. As far as I know, it was true.
> Mike
>
> On Sep 7, 2016 4:54 AM, "Ed Mendez" <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone elaborate on the Pantera that was delivered to the Ford
>> Executive? Supposedly his kids took the car out for a joy ride and crashed
>> it?
>>
>> Is this just folklore or did it really happen? Do you know the month /
>> year, what color the car was, any details, who the Executive was, etc?
>>
>> When Ford ordered a car that was a staff pool vehicle and not for retail
>> sales, what did they generally do with them? Auto shows, advertising, etc?
>>
>> Would the Ford Executives car have been ordered that way from the factory?
>> As a staff vehicle?
>>
>> Thanks, Ed
>>
>>
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> That was the story so colorfully told by our guest speaker at the 2014
> Fun Rally in San Diego.A His name is Tim Foraker. As far as I know, it
> was true.
> Mike
>
> On Sep 7, 2016 4:54 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Can anyone elaborate on the Pantera that was delivered to the Ford
> Executive? Supposedly his kids took the car out for a joy ride and
> crashed it?
> Is this just folklore or did it really happen? Do you know the month
> / year, what color the car was, any details, who the Executive was,
> etc?
> When Ford ordered a car that was a staff pool vehicle and not for
> retail sales, what did they generally do with them? Auto shows,
> advertising, etc?
> Would the Ford Executives car have been ordered that way from the
> factory? As a staff vehicle?
> Thanks, Ed
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> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 09:46:39 -0500
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
> Cc: "DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive
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> Ed,
>
> Lots of ford execs were able to get company cars. Some asked for trucks, or lincolns, and some asked for Panteras.
>
> Asa Jay's Pantera was originally a Ford company car as I recall. I think it actually belonged to a guy who worked for some Ford electronics subsidiary or something like that? They would get the car for a year and then turn it in to be sold.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 7, 2016, at 6:54, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone elaborate on the Pantera that was delivered to the Ford Executive? Supposedly his kids took the car out for a joy ride and crashed it?
>>
>> Is this just folklore or did it really happen? Do you know the month / year, what color the car was, any details, who the Executive was, etc?
>>
>> When Ford ordered a car that was a staff pool vehicle and not for retail sales, what did they generally do with them? Auto shows, advertising, etc?
>>
>> Would the Ford Executives car have been ordered that way from the factory? As a staff vehicle?
>>
>> Thanks, Ed
>>
>>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2016 07:58:36 -0700
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive
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> Good morning,
> Yes, THPNNP05533 was originally a Ford corporate car:
> http://asajay.com/pantera/asascat/1st_reg.jpg
>
> Owned by Ford Motor Company
> Registered to Philco Ford Corporation
>
> Sold to Central Accounting Services in Dearborn
> Shipped to Philco Ford Corporation in Palo Alto
> http://asajay.com/pantera/asascat/sticker.jpg
>
> After two years later on 5/20/75, the company sold it to an employee,
> Gene Hickcox, who had been driving it before as a company car.
>
> http://asajay.com/pantera/asascat/contract.jpg
>
> Gene owned it until his death, whereupon it became part of his estate
> given to the University of Southern California. The University
> typically ends up storing donated vehicles in perpetuity; however,
> someone managed to get the executor to pull some strings in order to
> sell it instead of letting it languish in a warehouse.
>
> I managed to purchase it and become the second owner.
>
> I have no other details on Mr. Hickcox. It might be kind of cool to
> know more about him.
> Asa Jay
>
> Quoting Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
>
>> Ed,
>>
>> Lots of ford execs were able to get company cars. Some asked for
>> trucks, or lincolns, and some asked for Panteras.
>>
>> Asa Jay's Pantera was originally a Ford company car as I recall. I
>> think it actually belonged to a guy who worked for some Ford
>> electronics subsidiary or something like that? They would get the
>> car for a year and then turn it in to be sold.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 6:54, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone elaborate on the Pantera that was delivered to the Ford
>>> Executive? Supposedly his kids took the car out for a joy ride and
>>> crashed it?
>>>
>>> Is this just folklore or did it really happen? Do you know the
>>> month / year, what color the car was, any details, who the
>>> Executive was, etc?
>>>
>>> When Ford ordered a car that was a staff pool vehicle and not for
>>> retail sales, what did they generally do with them? Auto shows,
>>> advertising, etc?
>>>
>>> Would the Ford Executives car have been ordered that way from the
>>> factory? As a staff vehicle?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Ed
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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