[DeTomaso] ZF service

[MikeLDrew at aol.com]

In a message dated 9/4/16 3 35 16, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com writes:


> My GTS from 1972 has never had any service on the gearbox, other than 
> changing oil.
> The gearbox spills a little oil in on the floor in the garage, not much, 
> and I think that it howls a bit especially in 5th gear.
> 
>>>That howling is almost assuredly the ring and pinion, rather than an 
individual gear.   No two of these gearboxes sound alike.   One can be 
whisper-quiet and the next might be quite loud, and there is nothing 'wrong' with 
either of them.   I asked Lloyd Butfoy about the sound, and he gave a 
philosophical shrug.   There is a very precise measurement that must be made when 
setting up the ring and pinion gears for proper engagement, and depending upon 
how they were manufactured (they are always run in matching pairs), there 
might be some howling when all is said and done.

> >I am therefore thinking of a service with safety wiring etc., and to 
> have a longer 5th gear, as it revs unnecessarily much on European motorways 
> with 4,22 differential and 0,70 5th gear.
> It would be easiest for me to have the work done in Europe, if 
> there are workshops here who can do the work?
> 
>>>Europe's leading ZF man seems to be Paul Fleming in the UK.   He works 
closely with Lloyd to ensure speedy parts delivery.   I know several people 
on the continent who have had him do their gearboxes, and they were quite 
pleased; one of them even got personal delivery, as Paul came to the continent 
for a vacation and made a detour to deliver a finished gearbox!

> >Sending the gearbox e.g. to LLoyd Butfoy RBT in California would really 
> be a long way, around 6000 miles from Copenhagen.
> If I must sent it to the US, the east coast would be a much shorter 
> distance, but I don't know who is competent to do the job.
> All suggestions will be much appreciated, as well as - if possible - a 
> rough idea about what it can cost.
> 
>>>Ah, the costs.

I think Lloyd charges $1200-1500 for the basic job of opening it up, 
cleaning it and putting it back together, but that doesn't include any necessary 
parts.   The parts on these things can get quite expensive.   He did a 
gearbox for Lori and it didn't need anything except for a 2nd gear synchro, and 
safety wiring, and the total bill came to something like $2500-2700 I think.

However, a gearbox that is really worn out and needs gears etc. replaced 
can quickly pass the $5000 mark.   And a Dash-1 will be more expensive, as the 
parts are less available/less in demand and more expensive to produce.

I would imagine Paul's prices would be somewhat in line with Lloyd's, 
keeping in mind that the parts have to be shipped from Lloyd to Paul so there is 
additional expense incurred there.

The only way to know for sure is to ask Paul yourself--his e-mail is 

paul at flemingpaul.wanadoo.co.uk

Tell him I sent ya! :>)

Mike
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   In a message dated 9/4/16 3 35 16, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   writes:

     My GTS from 1972 has never had any service on the gearbox, other
     than changing oil.
     The gearbox spills a little oil in on the floor in the garage, not
     much, and I think that it howls a bit especially in 5th gear.

   >>>That howling is almost assuredly the ring and pinion, rather than an
   individual gear.  No two of these gearboxes sound alike.  One can be
   whisper-quiet and the next might be quite loud, and there is nothing
   'wrong' with either of them.  I asked Lloyd Butfoy about the sound, and
   he gave a philosophical shrug.  There is a very precise measurement
   that must be made when setting up the ring and pinion gears for proper
   engagement, and depending upon how they were manufactured (they are
   always run in matching pairs), there might be some howling when all is
   said and done.

     >I am therefore thinking of a service with safety wiring etc., and
     to have a longer 5th gear, as it revs unnecessarily much on European
     motorways with 4,22 differential and 0,70 5th gear.
     It would be easiest for me to have the work done in Europe, if
     there are workshops here who can do the work?

   >>>Europe's leading ZF man seems to be Paul Fleming in the UK.  He
   works closely with Lloyd to ensure speedy parts delivery.  I know
   several people on the continent who have had him do their gearboxes,
   and they were quite pleased; one of them even got personal delivery, as
   Paul came to the continent for a vacation and made a detour to deliver
   a finished gearbox!

     >Sending the gearbox e.g. to LLoyd Butfoy RBT in California would
     really be a long way, around 6000 miles from Copenhagen.
     If I must sent it to the US, the east coast would be a much shorter
     distance, but I don't know who is competent to do the job.
     All suggestions will be much appreciated, as well as - if possible -
     a rough idea about what it can cost.

   >>>Ah, the costs.
   I think Lloyd charges $1200-1500 for the basic job of opening it up,
   cleaning it and putting it back together, but that doesn't include any
   necessary parts.  The parts on these things can get quite expensive.
   He did a gearbox for Lori and it didn't need anything except for a 2nd
   gear synchro, and safety wiring, and the total bill came to something
   like $2500-2700 I think.
   However, a gearbox that is really worn out and needs gears etc.
   replaced can quickly pass the $5000 mark.  And a Dash-1 will be more
   expensive, as the parts are less available/less in demand and more
   expensive to produce.
   I would imagine Paul's prices would be somewhat in line with Lloyd's,
   keeping in mind that the parts have to be shipped from Lloyd to Paul so
   there is additional expense incurred there.
   The only way to know for sure is to ask Paul yourself--his e-mail is
   paul at flemingpaul.wanadoo.co.uk
   Tell him I sent ya! :>)
   Mike