[DeTomaso] Cleveland Rolling engine stand

B Hower b.hower3400 at yahoo.com
Sat Oct 22 20:43:39 EDT 2016


I would like one similar to the Mike modified unit, but I would like the ZF support to be able to slide for and aft to aid mating ZF to 351C.


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B

      From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
 To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 12:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cleveland Rolling engine stand
   
Mike,
I'm nearly positive that Stumpy probably has a Pantera owner near him 
and could probably source one for a week or so to mate with a 351C block 
to make the appropriate measurements.  I'm guessing he probably fabs 
many of these when they are ordered, so I wouldn't put it past him to be 
willing to do this for the Pantera folks.

All it takes is contacting him and seeing if he'd do it.

For what it's worth, I used his standard set for my fully assembled 
engine and then attached the ZF to it and had no problems.

This photo shows the new engine on the stands
http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=5514

This photo shows the old engine and ZF after they came out of the 
Pantera.  This was taken prior to the one above.  You can see, if you 
zoom the photo, that the hoist is not holding up the assembly, and the 
tail of the ZF is not on he ground.  Yes, the ZF was suspended in the 
air by nothing more than bolting to the engine, but the entire assembly 
did -not- tip over as some might expect.
http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=5505

Still, having the extra length and support for the ZF would be 
preferred.  Who would like to contact Stumpy?

Asa  Jay

Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://w7tsc.org
http://www.teampanteraracing.com


On 10/21/2016 6:17 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote:
> Bingo, that's it!
>
> You can see how incredibly simple it is. The normal cradle ends just about at the back of the block; I had him extend the legs to the rear. The vertical bits that attach to the gearbox were fabbed locally. Without having a gearbox handy, it would be difficult for stumpy to replicate it.
>
> For that matter, I just remembered that Lori's gearbox has an aftermarket side mount kit, so there's no guarantee the lateral spacing would even fit a gearbox with factory side mounts.
>
> I'm not planning on pulling my drivetrain out to test it. :)
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 21, 2016, at 18:07, "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."<byrdjf at embarqmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> Is this it Mike?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
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>> To: Mike Thomas
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cleveland Rolling engine stand
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I posted a photo of the arrangement here the last time we discussed this.
>> Unfortunately  I'm not near my computer--maybe find it in the archives? Or
>> somebody else saved it and can repost it?
>>
>> Larry Finch borrowed my rig for some time--Larry, do you have any photos?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 17:40, "Mike Thomas"<mbefthomas at comcast.net>  wrote:
>>
>>> OK, never mind . . .
>>> Send me some pics of the weldments, please?
>>> The other Mike
>>>
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>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 6:52 AM
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; rob at dumoulins.net
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cleveland Rolling engine stand
>>>
>>> Rob,
>>>
>>> I have two cradles (one for a 427) from Stumpy's Fabworks.
>>> (Www.stumpysfabworks.com) and they are terrific.
>>>
>>> They are offered in both 'normal' and 'wide' configurations. I prefer
>>> the wide ones because they offer much greater stability. I ordered my
>>> 351C stand extra-length so it could safely support an engine/ZF combo.
>>> My stepson welded up rear mounts for the gearbox that bolt to the
>>> gearbox ears and rest on the rails of the Stumpy's cradle.
>>>
>>> Good stuff. Hope I never need to use it again. :)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
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>>> On Friday, October 21, 2016, Rob Dumoulin<rob at dumoulins.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm in the market for a floor-level (not the tall kind to assemble an
>>> engine) rolling engine stand for a spare fully assembled Cleveland
>>> engine.A I found this one from Mansion Tools.A They seem to have the
>>> most reasonable shipping costs on this exact item.
>>>
>>> [1]http://www.mansiontools.com/engine-cradle-for-all-v8-ford-blocks-au
>>> t
>>> -ec1000-f-automotive-hoist-stands-jack.html?channelid=GoogleAdwords&gc
>>> l
>>> id=CLWitdiB7M8CFU86gQoduwMEBA
>>>
>>> Does anybody have this one or recommend a better choice for the money?
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1.
>>> http://www.mansiontools.com/engine-cradle-for-all-v8-ford-blocks-aut-e
>>> c1000-
>>> f-automotive-hoist-stands-jack.html?channelid=GoogleAdwords&gclid=CLWi
>>> tdiB7M
>>> 8CFU86gQoduwMEBA
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   I would like one similar to the Mike modified unit, but I would like
   the ZF support to be able to slide for and aft to aid mating ZF to
   351C.
   Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
   ! )
   B
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 12:11 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cleveland Rolling engine stand
   Mike,
   I'm nearly positive that Stumpy probably has a Pantera owner near him
   and could probably source one for a week or so to mate with a 351C
   block
   to make the appropriate measurements.  I'm guessing he probably fabs
   many of these when they are ordered, so I wouldn't put it past him to
   be
   willing to do this for the Pantera folks.
   All it takes is contacting him and seeing if he'd do it.
   For what it's worth, I used his standard set for my fully assembled
   engine and then attached the ZF to it and had no problems.
   This photo shows the new engine on the stands
   [1]http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gall
   ery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=5514
   This photo shows the old engine and ZF after they came out of the
   Pantera.  This was taken prior to the one above.  You can see, if you
   zoom the photo, that the hoist is not holding up the assembly, and the
   tail of the ZF is not on he ground.  Yes, the ZF was suspended in the
   air by nothing more than bolting to the engine, but the entire assembly
   did -not- tip over as some might expect.
   [2]http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gall
   ery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=5505
   Still, having the extra length and support for the ZF would be
   preferred.  Who would like to contact Stumpy?
   Asa  Jay
   Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
   &  Shelley Marie
   Spokane, WA
   ******************************
   [3]http://w7tsc.org
   [4]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
   On 10/21/2016 6:17 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote:
   > Bingo, that's it!
   >
   > You can see how incredibly simple it is. The normal cradle ends just
   about at the back of the block; I had him extend the legs to the rear.
   The vertical bits that attach to the gearbox were fabbed locally.
   Without having a gearbox handy, it would be difficult for stumpy to
   replicate it.
   >
   > For that matter, I just remembered that Lori's gearbox has an
   aftermarket side mount kit, so there's no guarantee the lateral spacing
   would even fit a gearbox with factory side mounts.
   >
   > I'm not planning on pulling my drivetrain out to test it. :)
   >
   > Mike
   >
   > Sent from my iPhone
   >
   > On Oct 21, 2016, at 18:07, "Joseph F. Byrd,
   Jr."<[5]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>  wrote:
   >
   >> Is this it Mike?
   >>
   >>
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On Behalf
   >> Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   >> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 20:52 PM
   >> To: Mike Thomas
   >> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cleveland Rolling engine stand
   >>
   >> Mike,
   >>
   >> I posted a photo of the arrangement here the last time we discussed
   this.
   >> Unfortunately  I'm not near my computer--maybe find it in the
   archives? Or
   >> somebody else saved it and can repost it?
   >>
   >> Larry Finch borrowed my rig for some time--Larry, do you have any
   photos?
   >>
   >> Mike
   >>
   >> Sent from my iPhone
   >>
   >> On Oct 21, 2016, at 17:40, "Mike Thomas"<[7]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
   wrote:
   >>
   >>> OK, never mind . . .
   >>> Send me some pics of the weldments, please?
   >>> The other Mike
   >>>
   >>> -----Original Message-----
   >>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[8]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On
   >>> Behalf Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   >>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 6:52 AM
   >>> To: [9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; [10]rob at dumoulins.net
   >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cleveland Rolling engine stand
   >>>
   >>> Rob,
   >>>
   >>> I have two cradles (one for a 427) from Stumpy's Fabworks.
   >>> (Www.stumpysfabworks.com) and they are terrific.
   >>>
   >>> They are offered in both 'normal' and 'wide' configurations. I
   prefer
   >>> the wide ones because they offer much greater stability. I ordered
   my
   >>> 351C stand extra-length so it could safely support an engine/ZF
   combo.
   >>> My stepson welded up rear mounts for the gearbox that bolt to the
   >>> gearbox ears and rest on the rails of the Stumpy's cradle.
   >>>
   >>> Good stuff. Hope I never need to use it again. :)
   >>>
   >>> Mike
   >>>
   >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
   >>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com
   >>>
   >>> On Friday, October 21, 2016, Rob Dumoulin<[11]rob at dumoulins.net>
   wrote:
   >>>
   >>> I'm in the market for a floor-level (not the tall kind to assemble
   an
   >>> engine) rolling engine stand for a spare fully assembled Cleveland
   >>> engine.A I found this one from Mansion Tools.A They seem to have
   the
   >>> most reasonable shipping costs on this exact item.
   >>>
   >>>
   [1][12]http://www.mansiontools.com/engine-cradle-for-all-v8-ford-blocks
   -au
   >>> t
   >>>
   -ec1000-f-automotive-hoist-stands-jack.html?channelid=GoogleAdwords&gc
   >>> l
   >>> id=CLWitdiB7M8CFU86gQoduwMEBA
   >>>
   >>> Does anybody have this one or recommend a better choice for the
   money?
   >>>
   >>> References
   >>>
   >>> 1.
   >>>
   [13]http://www.mansiontools.com/engine-cradle-for-all-v8-ford-blocks-au
   t-e
   >>> c1000-
   >>>
   f-automotive-hoist-stands-jack.html?channelid=GoogleAdwords&gclid=CLWi
   >>> tdiB7M
   >>> 8CFU86gQoduwMEBA
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References

   1. http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=5514
   2. http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=5505
   3. http://w7tsc.org/
   4. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
   5. mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com
   6. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   7. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
   8. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   9. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  10. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
  11. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
  12. http://www.mansiontools.com/engine-cradle-for-all-v8-ford-blocks-au
  13. http://www.mansiontools.com/engine-cradle-for-all-v8-ford-blocks-aut-e
  14. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  15. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  16. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  18. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  19. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  20. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  22. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  23. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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